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FatherOfJesus:
where is your evidence?

Evidence of what?

ThePlainTruth:
By why is that not in the Old Testament which Christaints claim God has given His prophesies about Jesus.

What part is not in what people wrongly call old testament?

ThePlainTruth:
Even the Jews too who Christianity came from their religion do not also beleive Christians are following a true religion.

The Jews are even the Worst!

They Rejected God Since they departed Egypt and are just Lucky because of God's Eternal Unbreakable Contract with Abraham, so they really have little or no say when it Comes to God's Affairs!

FatherOfJesus:
If your everything must be created, your god has to be created. That rule stands, you can’t convince anybody here with your miniature logical reasoning employed by primary school pupils

I did not say "everything must be created" I said "EVERYTHING YOU SEE IN NATURE AND IN THIS WORLD".

I Did not go Outside this World and Our Creator, God, is of course Outside and Beyond this World, therefore beyond Scope, Reach and Study!

Gaggii:
2. You refered to Jesus as a creator in your comment. I believed no one created God, but God created all.

Jesus Christ is The Son of Most High, Father of All and He Who Sits on the Throne!

Jesus Christ is the Same Lord God who Gave His Commandments to Moses on the Mountain which is why He Said "Keep My Commandments"

Which is why the Disciples Called Him "Lord" and Lawyer Saul who became Lawyer Paul too on the road Damascus!

Gaggii:
Can you give a Bible verse to back up this claim of why God allowed Jesus to be killed by human.

John 3:16; John 12:24 Matthew 21:33-46

FatherOfJesus:
You are dumb , I’m not interested in rebutting your laughable logic.

It is impossible for you to Rebut, No One on earth can ever ever rebut it because

The Truth of The Lord is A Sure and Established Mountain.

It's So High you can never get Over it.
It's so Low you can never get Under it.
It's so Wide you can never get Around it
It's So Strong you can never get through it!

FatherOfJesus:
Did you even do philosophy in school?
Lol

Did it and killed it! Because philosophy is study and teaching of foolishness.

It is the teachings of Thinking Forever even beyond Practicable Use!

I prefer to plant maize and harvest it to eat than to ponder why maize is maize, of which the Simplest Answer is because It Was Created So!

sonmvayina:
Dtruthspeaker, this is not me..ohh.

Just settle down and learn. You lack spiritual understanding...

Research and research more..

Do you think it was a Joke when we sing that The Truth of The Lord is A Sure and Established Mountain.

It's So High you can never get Over it.
It's so Low you can never get Under it.
It's so Wide you can never get Around it
It's So Strong you can never get through it!

FatherOfJesus:
Cant you see that your argument is dumb?
Every time you come up with dumb arguments

Rebut if you think you can and stop complaining that you can not remove the Mountain I have Dropped and A Wall you can not go through!

Gaggii:
Why did allowed him to be killed by mere mortals

To Prove Beyond Reasonable Doubt that man is a very very Wicked and an Unending Evil person, such that he has No Respect or Fear for even His Creator!

That if He had opportunity to Murder His Creator, man would not fear but proceed with this evil!

And evil man did not fail to Convict himself even in the presence of The Judge Himself, He even murdered The Judge Himself!

Hmmmm! Hmmmm! How can he escape Conviction and Guilt? Impossible!

FatherOfJesus:
He is gonna tell you that no one created God and then say he has won the argument

I am happy to disappoint you!

falcon01:
so wasn't created? how did he or she or it came to existence?

No creation knows nor can know much of His Creator!

It is impossible!

falcon01:
How bout God?

No creation knows nor can know much of His Creator!

It is impossible!

FatherOfJesus:
So only God was not created abi?

No creation knows nor can know much of His Creator!

It is impossible!

FatherOfJesus:
prove it

Everything you see in Nature and in this world Never never ever created themselves.

Some Other Person whether Camry, Chair, Phone, man, rock, tree, animal etc created them!

And Every Creator, is Separate and Distinct and Outside His creation!

Thus, Our Creator Who created both this Toy House that we call World and us the Toys, Whom we call God, is Beyond and Outside us, His creations.

falcon01:
Prove it!

No Creation creates itself,! All creations are Created by Another !

Gaggii:
If Christianity is logical, then who is Jesus.

His he God or son of God?

He is the Son of The Highest, and the Appointed C.E.O of this world, Whom The Most High called The Lord God, whom we call God!

Gaggii:
Is it compulsory to practice a religion? If yes.

Religion is from who?

If is from God, why is it contradictory.

One says Jesus is God/son of God. The other says he is a prophet.

That is the Problem we have when Liars Exist, Therefore, The Truth is No Longer Undebatably Clear and Known.

Gaggii:
The funniest part is that the two religion is against logic.

They just want you to believe without using your brain.

Not Christianity, for Everything on Christian is Found on Good Reason (Logic), but we have been Plagued since Acts 15, with many many Prophets of Lies and People Love Lies more than Truths!

Gaggii:
You don't need religion to tell you what is good or bad. Common sense will tell you is bad to rape, to steal, to kill e.t.c.
What you don't want someone to do to you, don't do to others

By the highlighted, you Confirm that it is Done, what God had said He was going to Do, To wit- to Write His Laws on the Tables of the hearts (spirit) of men.

So, we have 2 Supports, The Law Outside and The Same Law Inside the heart!

Gaggii:
Without religion, common sense can let an individual understands that there is someone Greater than man, who shall Judge and Measure the man

Yes, this is True however you are forgetting that religion Truly Means Regular Practice which is much All Covering and including the Regular Practice of Acknowledging and Attempting to Relate with Whom is called God!

benodic:
The doctrine of hell was introduced as a way to scare people into submission in their religion.

Wicked People used it as a tool of Control and Stealing, but The True Doctrine is "if you do whatever you like, Note that there is Another, Who Can and Who Shall Do Whatever He Too Likes when the time Comes, I hope you like His Likes, When He Comes to Do whatever He Likes"!

And He has Already told us in Advance what He shall like to Do, which is Throw Everyone who Did not listen to Him into the Fire!

benodic:
That concept may be okay for those at a certain level of consciousness.
But for those souls who have started awakening such concepts are no longer needed. At such level of awareness you serve God and life because you love God and not because you are afraid of going to hell.
And you follow the Spiritual laws that govern life which include the law of Karma i.e The law of cause and effect, The law of Love, The law of silence etc.
This brings you in harmony with life and opens you up to become a channel for God's love

In other words, you serve God, willingly and free from manipulations, machinations and undue influence, which is what God Commanded at the First!

kingxsamz:
Bro you can never understand these things with a carnal mind. You need the holy spirit to guide you. The Christian religion is the only right religion and can never be wrong because my parents were Christians and they believe in it too.
I don't know how to prove it but I just know by believing blindly with faith. You can't understand these things if you're not spirit filled.

You peacefully spoke so I peacefully reply, and this could be, if you like Goods!

Understanding is Given by God Himself. It is not bought or obtained in school or any where nor is attainable by much books.

And at least both sides are talking about are talking about He Who is Greater than man, who shall Judge and Measure the man!

kingxsamz:
Rest! You're trying too hard to pick up an argument with me.
That's your fellow Christian brother, but since you know he's realized the clown that you're, you're looking for something else to hold on to just to make yourself feel comfortable.
You know how I always say you behave childish? This is one of the case. And you always prove me right.
Anyways, you can now go off and masturbate in my mentions as I won't bother to read or reply to your clownery, since you're unable to keep up an argument with someone without bringing others into it. Good day and stay pained.

You Did not know nor understood earlier why I brought you in, which was why you were just going off like Christmas knock out, kpa, kpa, kpa!

Have you retired from the work of finding "fake Christians" and housing them? Abi the house don full like Corona hospital for Brazil? so tay you don dey give fake diagnosis result?

Kai! Na so your Wound Plenty, so tay E never heal by now?

Maybe next time when I talk e fit be say you go down heal by den!

No Sword like the Sword of The Lord "Piercing and Dividing Evil Spirits Asunder!"

kingxsamz:
Seems like my posts makes you wake up at the wrong side of the bed.
That's why you can't do without quoting me in a convo I have no business with.
Stay pained bro.

i jus call you say one of una brodas don miss, run come enter our House make e for hide and since you be police for dis kain mata I say make I call you na make you come carry am go, cos we don troway am comot from we dormot!

kingxsamz:
Lmao, I don dey give this one sleepless nights without even doing anything.
Livng rent free in your head.

reason dey always cause why we dey even remember the animal we don forget!

livingchrist:
your submission has no place in the bible...

Yet, you could not rebut at all, everytime I showed you it's foundation in the Bible. You were just running from all over the field seeking a place to stand but finding none.

Ye did not know that “The eyes of the LORD preserve knowledge, and he overthroweth the words of the transgressor, (Sinner/Offender/Doer and Sayer of the Wrong).”

livingchrist:
and you obviously lack wisdom hence I saw no need hence I saw no need in correcting you since you are proud and self concited, surely you know more than the bible, which of cause is the thought of a fool.

you are confused, you could not find any biblical support for your baseless submission hence the use of superfluous empty words and emojis.

Now you proclaim you are Liar and ready to ready to Falsely Accuse an Innocent!

Further, we all know that Insults, Lies and Falsehoods are the wages given by Wicked Liars, when the Work of Truth is Accomplished!

For “The eyes of the LORD preserve knowledge, And HE OVERTHROWETH THE WORDS OF THE TRANSGRESSOR (Sinner/Sayer and Doer of the Wrong).”

Abraham believed in God and that faith was counted to him for righteousness, no mention of works there, because when it comes to works even Abraham cannot boast.[/quote]And now in keeping with being a Liar, you now wish to lay, for the first time, that "Obedience to God" Is No Work and it is not shown or stated in the Bible!

When it was Expressly Written and Stated in James 2:21

“Was not Abraham our father justified BY WORKS (Not One Work oh, BUT WORKS, Several WORKS)?,

when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar, (In the Work of Obedience To God, in the HARDEST WORK for him, who wanted a son but did not have any until now, and now by his own hand, he is supposed to lose the son, the only one he was just given,)?”

How many of you would pass this Exam? Common to lose your car, money or even doctrines on the Commandment of God, you fail to do so!

Thus, being a Liar, you do not live in Christ, you live in Satan, the Father and king of Lies as kingxsamz would have told you!

livingchrist:
you are far from the scripture.

Genesis 15:6
And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it (faith) to him for righteousness.

I pray God should lead you out of darkness.

I understand, You Could not find any Fault after All, so you are just returning to your former base.

Genesis 15:6 is The Judgment given to Abraham. And the Fact of His Case Giving Rise to This Judgement begun from his FIRST RECORDED Deed/Act/Work, in Genesis 12:1!

livingchrist:
you have not answered any question,

I dont think you even understand yourself,
If works where the beginning of righteousness why was was it that, only after he believed in the Lord before he was declared righteous?
According to Genesis it was Abraham's faith that was counted to him for righteousness not his works, his works only demonstrated his faith.

Because Judgement Cometh at The End of a Matter and not during the course of the matter!

Wages is Only Paid at the End of Work and Reward is Given Only at the End of Labour!

Hence the wages of Sin is death!

The wages of righteousness is Life!

livingchrist:
yet you are yet to show where it was written that works is the beginning of righteousness.

Come on, do not feign lack of knowledge, i showed you the first time and you saw it and you got it, which was why you went on to confess your issue about people using their works to make them righteous, which I have just shot to smithereens!

Now, you are attempting to claim that I did not show the beginning of righteousness, when in fact, you saw it up there. To Wit-

"Before Genesis 15:6 which you presented was Genesis 12:1 ABRAHAM'S FIRST RECORDED Deed/Act/Work, God Suddenly Commanded Abraham to move"

And what did he Do? (Deed/Act/Work)

Did he Disobey and make excuses like many people I know and you know?

No, He Obeyed God and Wil-fully Moved!.(Deed/Act/Work)! in Law, we call it "Actus Reus"!

Is Obedience to God not Right Ab Initio?

Is Will-full Obedience to God Not The Beginning of Rightness or Righteousness?

Is There Any Greater or Higher Rightness than Obeying (Deed/Act/Work) God?

Is there Any Record Before Genesis 15:6 where Abraham did not (Deed/Act/Work) in Obedience to God?

No, Not One! All his (Deeds/Acts/Works) Recorded were Perfectly Right."

All the people called Righteous by God where in deed Honourable and Just men, but you are not being honourable when you feign and pretend!

These matters are Life and Death and therefore it is not a competition but A Verification and A Testing that, that which I know and have learnt is True because, it has been Attacked and Tested and it Still Stands Firm Exactly as All Truth is!

bobestman:
Exactly bro. The ancient path is the first and last - the original. Even the book says the ancient people will teach the whole world the lost truth Isaiah 44:7; 47:6

Yes Brother, The Unchanging and The Unchanged!

Many Truths have been Changed and Altered but I live to Find Them, Identify Them and Change them back to their True And Natural State and bring them here!

bobestman:
Yea I agree with the scriptures but what you all read today has been turned many times and true meaning lost. Many won't agree to that

As Daniel Said "Times and Seasons and Words and Truths have been Altered, Changed and Swapped.

However, if we go back to the Ancient Paths, we would Uncover and Find The Truths Hidden!

The Truth is in the Past!! I have some in my threads https://www.nairaland.com/6306634/truth-past

justosee:
Are they not supposed to possess spiritual powers?

Kai lack of knowing and foolishness is a very very bad and wicked thing oh!

How can a thing created by man save itself from man?

And is it not already crazy and foolish to make the thing you create your Ruler, King or god?

Can the thing do anything at all? Is it not you the man who is doing everything?

Did you the creator of it give it "spiritual power" for it to use before? Nna men!

bobestman:
Christians and Ignorance. Always quoting Bible but never understand. The book had been turned many times such that many truths had been removed.

Good, you said "many Truths have been removed"!

We are happy to walk and work with the Truths we already have contained therein, So No Problem!