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Christianity Etc › Re: The Love For God VS The Love Of God by Dtruthspeaker: 11:56am On Apr 12, 2021

Thattallgirl:
So it is written that Jesus was with Peter's family all through?

After the healing of Peter's mother in law, did they not depart?

Christianity Etc › Re: The Love For God VS The Love Of God by Dtruthspeaker: 11:55am On Apr 12, 2021

Kingdomtruth:
Good morning brother/sister. Trust you are doing great today.

Thanks for that brilliant response up there...

Good morning brother, my days are Good thanks to the Great Goodness of God.

I am male by the way and I am thankful you appreciate my response even if you may have reservations or disagree with it, but I do appreciate it all the same.

Kingdomtruth:
However, I just want to learn in your own understanding, according to the GOSPEL that you BELIEVE; how God provided the way for us who were or are still SINNERS to be made HOLY and how He put to rest, the SACRIFICE of LAMBS since they were not able to make us HOLY as it were. Just the way you posited up there...Thanks my friend

The first thing that is should be appreciated is that, First, we are Sinners, born to be sinners, fashioned to be sinners and in fact, the world would not have us any other way Except We Are Sinners, then will they "love" us and "accept" us.

Therefore, how are we not Already Guilty of Sin and liable to the Adverse Judgement of God, if we are Charged before God's Court?

It is a case of, we are guilty as charged! And as a lawyer, I can tell you that A Sinner makes his matter worse in attempting to defend himself for he shall increase the Anger of the Court and Increase the severity of his Judgement, when his D'Fence which is not backed by Law (as Lawyer Paul says "without Law" wink

Falls and Fails!

Thus, there is only one good move the sinner can make in Court, which is to play for Mercy!

Now, God knows that and He therefore gave us Mercy on Advance, Before the Court is convened!

And what is this Mercy? The Law of Sin Offering to be undertaken by All Sinners so that we may not be Charged be God's Court or be Found to have had a D'Fence in Law should we be Accused and Charged in Court.

Which is why Lawyer Paul said "that we may found blameless" for it is He who broke no Law, who is blameless!

Christianity Etc › Re: The Love For God VS The Love Of God by Dtruthspeaker: 11:10am On Apr 12, 2021

Thattallgirl:
Lol you quoted Philippians 2:12, when the next verse is God who works in us.

Yes, I did which is why I answered has God not Finished His Work? Have we done ours as Philippians 2:12 says?

Thattallgirl:
And Romans 2:13? That's for the Jews but since u quoted it then no problem. I want u to read the full chapter then...

14 Even Gentiles, who do not have God’s written law, show that they know his law when they instinctively obey it, even without having heard it. 15 They demonstrate that God’s law is written in their hearts, for their own conscience and thoughts either accuse them or tell them they are doing right
29 No, a true Jew is one whose heart is right with God. And true circumcision is not merely obeying the letter of the law; rather, it is a change of heart produced by the Spirit. And a person with a changed heart seeks praise[d] from God, not from people

And lastly, if u believe our work has just begun since Christ's work is finished, then read Colossians 2:10. But if you still believe otherwise, then that's you.

Do you not see that you still stake thyself and prove what I am saying through the highlighted?

Did you not verily say
"...show that THEY KNOW HIS LAW when they instinctively obey it;

They demonstrate (Prove) that God’s law is written in their hearts

"rather, it is a change of heart produced by the Spirit.[/b]" if any still does and says "due to our human nature, we still fail Or "make mistakes", can such be reasonably said to be a changed heart?

I say no difference, you are still the same Natural Sin-filled man!

And you can not be complete with Him based on Colossians 2:10 you presented, if your heart is not Truly changed!

Christianity Etc › Re: The Love For God VS The Love Of God by Dtruthspeaker: 10:51am On Apr 12, 2021

Thattallgirl:
You didn't answer my question. You said the disciples obeyed the commandments and were perfect in it and didn't fall short. We all know Peter had a mother-in-law, definitely had a wife. Are you saying they didn't have a home to go to after moving with Christ? Cos I don't think it's written there that they were with Christ 24/7. And if they weren't with Him 24/7 then not all parts of their lives were written in the Bible. So how then do u know or are you certain that they didn't sin or break a command?

Did you not read that Peter and the disciples and Christ went to visit his mother-in-law? Does that not show that he was not around them?

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Did God Allow Job To Suffer? by Dtruthspeaker: 10:38am On Apr 12, 2021

FatherOfJesus:
He created you with a divine so he can change his plans to kill you over a bet?
Your God is a psychopath

That's the Power and Right of A Creator over the powerlessness of the creation!

A Creator Always has a Right to make, de-make, re-make, unmake and repeat any or all of these processes over again upon his creations Everytime without question Exactly as you do over your plasticine, drawing, App or car

Nothing a creation can do about it Exactly as your car, phone or biro can never stop you from breaking it, burning it or remaking it.

Christianity Etc › Re: Is America Mystery Babylon? by Dtruthspeaker: 8:03am On Apr 12, 2021

christainslove:
America to suit the
As far as I know, America hasn’t hurt many Christians yet. This could be in the future if they are the ones.

They did! By removing prayer from schools, public offices and all, stopping punishment of badly behaved children, Punished preaching, since most Christians were not expecting any attack, they were therefore not deep in their faith, thus they advanced and promoted all over the world their intelligent Anti-God Counters and shallow Christian roots where plucked of in line with the "Parable of the Seeds".

I believe they are the Babylon for look at the plagues they suffer.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Love For God VS The Love Of God by Dtruthspeaker: 5:13am On Apr 12, 2021

Thattallgirl:
One question. Did the disciples not have another life apart from following Jesus? (I mean was it recorded that they followed Him 24/7?)

Their Primary Work was to be "Fishers of Men"
as their Employer, Christ, had engaged them thus, they Followed Christ 24/7 and they were catered for in accordance to The Law of the Levites!

We on the hand have need for work but nevertheless, we are not permitted to fall short of The Law as shown by John the Baptist in Luke 3:13 and 14 when he taught

12Then came also publicans to be baptized, and said unto him, Master, WHAT SHALL WE DO?[/b]13And he said unto them, Exact no more than that which is appointed you.

14And the soldiers likewise demanded of him, saying, [b]And what shall we do? And he said unto them, Do violence to no man, neither accuse any falsely; and be content with your wages.

Are all these not The Commandments in Exodus, Leviticus and Deuteronomy?

Christianity Etc › Re: The Love For God VS The Love Of God by Dtruthspeaker: 4:53am On Apr 12, 2021

Thattallgirl:
So why did Philippians 2:13 say it is God who works in us both to will and to do of His good pleasure? Shouldn't it say our "work" should be solely on us?

Has He not finished working? Remember, He said "it is Finished"

If His Work is Finished why are we not finished? (if we say the Truth to ourselves for surely, we know that we are not finished, for if we were we would not ever say "due to our human nature, we still fail Or "make mistakes", For the Finished Work of Christ can never fall or make mistakes.

Thus, the reasonable question which I asked was that "Do we have our own work to do, with which we are to Complete and Compliment the Work Already Done by Christ?

Answer, Yes, Philippians 2:12, "NOW LET US WORK OUT OUR SALVATION with fear and trembling"

Romans 2:13 "(for not the hearers of The Law are Just before God, BUT THE DOERS OF THE LAW SHALL BE JUST-FILLED (JUSTIFIED)"

1 Peter 2:11 "Dearly Beloved, I beseech you... Abstain from fleshly lusts which war against the soul"!

Who is to do the work of "Abstaining"? Answer You and I and all men, The Work of Christ is Finished, Ours has just begun so that we can complete and balance the circle of Love which God has poured towards us!

Christianity Etc › Re: The Love For God VS The Love Of God by Dtruthspeaker: 3:57am On Apr 12, 2021

Kingdomtruth:
Hmmm! please if you don't mind, I'd like to know your understanding about the SACRIFICE of Christ on the CROSS...Thanks

The Sacrifice on The Cross is A Provision, As was the Other Earlier Provisions of Unblemished Lamb Both Given Upon the Direction and Instruction of God, in Line with The Law of Holiness which is Connected to The Law of Sin Offering.

For A Sinner can not be Holy and the Holy, has No Sin!

Thus, God Provided A Way by which the Sinner can be made Holy and it is not Allowed for the Holy TO DO ANY WRONG THING, For that is what it means to be Holy!

Therefore, the Sacrifice on the Cross was meant to Cure the Defect and Destruction of the Sacrifice of Lamb Offerings which was because the Sacrificor, the Levites/Priests were also Sinners, for the Sacrifice of A Sinner can not be Acceptable to God, therefore there was none Holy to stand before God on behalf of a Sinner.

Hence, The Lord Came to fill that Broken Gap for us to be Holy.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Did God Allow Job To Suffer? by Dtruthspeaker: 3:41am On Apr 12, 2021

FatherOfJesus:
So you mean god killed innocent Job children because of his Ego to win a bet against satan?
Tell me more about it

Must you be Evil every time? Is it not written that it was Satan who did the killing?

As I have told you before, that it is what it means to be a creation, IT IS OUR JOB TO PLEASE OUR CREATOR AND WE ARE HIS TOYS. HE CAN DO WHATEVER HE PLEASES OVER US WITHOUT QUESTION EXACTLY AS YOU DO YOU OVER YOUR OWN TOYS eg Pencil and Biro fight, Car Fight, "which person phone strong pass fight" etc

Christianity Etc › Re: The World Never Ends.... by Dtruthspeaker: 8:20pm On Apr 11, 2021

XXXXTENTACION:
...but does the world really have end
the world has existed billions of years ago and they is a high probability that it will continue to exist long after we are gone...

Man is not the Owner of the world and neither did he start it.

Thus, the same way this world started and man did not know when it started or it would start, so also shall it end and man would still not know when it shall end.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Did God Allow Job To Suffer? by Dtruthspeaker: 8:13pm On Apr 11, 2021

heartbraker:
so i can let my kids suffer because i want to impress somepeople? That means am irresponsible father.

Every good father celebrates and boasts about the successes of their children having let them suffer through the pain of tutorials and education, lessons and whips, examinations, tests, competition, interviews etc

And in the end, when he overcomes, we all say "that's my son" he's a lawyer, doctor, engineer, musician, pilot etc

Christianity Etc › Re: The Love For God VS The Love Of God by Dtruthspeaker: 8:04pm On Apr 11, 2021

Thattallgirl:
Not against us but for us. It's only by faith can we please God. And faith is to call those things that are not, as though they are. We believed Jesus that's why we accepted Him as our Lord and Savior. And that's by faith. It's by this same faith we believe we're righteous in Christ and that we've been made perfect in Him

The Bible clearly said that that Record is Against Us, Calling on us to make that record at the least, "be ye Holy as thy heavenly Father is Holy"; "in All things be blameless; let your garments be as white as Snow" is the Only Acceptable Standard.

As James has pointed out it is Faith + Work = Righteousness/Blamelessness/Holiness✓

Not Faith= Righteousness/Blameless/Holiness X which can not be attained without Work!

Christianity Etc › Re: The Love For God VS The Love Of God by Dtruthspeaker: 7:53pm On Apr 11, 2021

Thattallgirl:
Let's use John as an example. Did he strive to attain Jesus' love?

Yes! How do we know this? Answer! "if you love me keep my commandments"

Did John and Co abide with this instruction? Answer! Their Works and Books Prove it

Do you see them acting under the influence of the flesh?

Answer! NOT EVER AGAIN!

Christianity Etc › Re: Six Important Reasons You Need God's Love. by Dtruthspeaker: 7:45pm On Apr 11, 2021

amrichy:
Are goats and palm trees AWARE of their creator's "designation and law"? Also, why do you think goats and palm tree have not deviated from their creator's "designation and law"?

Because, they are even Older than us and they come from the same place we were manufactured from, that is the earth.

Secondly, God did not give them much laws especially plants have none while animals have One which is that they shall have a case to answer if they kill any man!

Therefore, by the absence and scantiness of laws, it clearly shows that they are in Compliance with the Creators Designation exactly as you did not issue any law over your toothbrush which is different from your phone, which has a Law to Obey All your commands! grin

Christianity Etc › Re: The Love For God VS The Love Of God by Dtruthspeaker: 7:35pm On Apr 11, 2021

Kingdomtruth:
Laughing! @ " OWNER OR AUTHOR OF RIGHTEOUSNESS"...So, I think we can talk about this once again, at least, just to set the record straight about the GOSPEL TRUTH we share.

You see my friend, I think you should know more about the FLESH.

Kai! Brother, I HATE that evil thing and spirit called flesh and I have no tolerance for it. I see it's works every day and how people are seriously labouring under it. And I find it extremely painful that people even think that they ought to carry that evil baggage.

No reasonable person would like to carry Scorpions in their pockets so also no reasonable person would want to be attached to the flesh at all.

Kingdomtruth:
In your previous comment with the OP that I quoted, you spoke of it as if it was something you could just get rid of, if you wanted.

Yes, we all can if we wanted to. I can surely show how a person does not really wish to be rid of it, I see everyday playing out in the places where it matters the most but because of gains, wickedness, vengeance and many other things that they know they ought not to do, they discard the Word of God that they know and act in accordance with the flesh.

Eg the fastest and popular one how can a person come out from church where he cried and prayed only to enter his car and start cursing another who has obstructed his way?

Or refuses entry to another vehicle trying to depart from the car park?

Patience and kindness and endurance have immediately been left on the chair in church.

If in this little activities they have failed how shall they be able to resist perversion of Judgement or Adultery?

Then they would blame the flesh! It is not the flesh, it is your own personal desire and goal to accomplish a thing that is culprit, that is YOUR TRUEST HEART'S DESIRE!

It is The Law, "He that can not be trusted with little can not be trusted with much!"

Kingdomtruth:
As if disciplining or controlling your mind to obey God's commandments can achieve that either.

It can and it does! All it takes is little steps. Little drops of water fill the drum. A journey to eternity begins with one step.

Defeat one activity at a time and see if you would not go defeating all the other evils.

Remember The Law is also on "the little", "he that can be trusted with little can be trusted with much!"

Christianity Etc › Re: The Love For God VS The Love Of God by Dtruthspeaker: 3:58pm On Apr 11, 2021

Thattallgirl:
I just had to ask. I hope you know Abraham wasn't perfect? But his imperfections were not recorded in the Hall of Faith in Hebrews chapter 11.

Yes I know but, His Record Stands Against Us!

Christianity Etc › Re: The Love For God VS The Love Of God by Dtruthspeaker: 3:55pm On Apr 11, 2021

Thattallgirl:
Lol I can't claim to be like Him? So is 1 John 4:17 wrong?

That is why I said the Disciples Attained it, so they could tell us about it which is based on The Law "You can Only Give What You Have"!

Christianity Etc › Re: The Love For God VS The Love Of God by Dtruthspeaker: 2:57pm On Apr 11, 2021

Thattallgirl:
Yes the law of God is in His heart (Psalm 37:31 KJV), but who put it there?

You have deviated from the issue for the issue is and was about us being as Perfect as Christ was, citing Abraham and Co as examples.

Christianity Etc › Re: Six Important Reasons You Need God's Love. by Dtruthspeaker: 2:29pm On Apr 11, 2021

amrichy:
@ the underlined statement, it seems you are contradicting yourself.
perhaps you should use the existence and survival of a specific creation to explain your idea more clearly and logical (i prefer that you use a non-human creation for this, a goat or a palm tree for example)

Sneaky, Sneaky grin

I am not contradicting myself, rather you have Shifted Post! grin

Goats and Palm Trees have never ever deviated from their Creator's Designation and Law, so it would be impossible to use them for they are keeping to their Creator's Maintenance Schedules and All.

So find another creation who was as disobedient and defiant to its Creator as man was, then I could explain! grin

Christianity Etc › Re: The Love For God VS The Love Of God by Dtruthspeaker: 2:18pm On Apr 11, 2021

Thattallgirl:
But you first quoted 1 John 4:17 which says that as He is so are we, not "as He is, so we should try to be"...

Now you have fallen on your own Stake for did Christ ever fail with his human nature or say "due to our human nature, we still fail.? Or Did Christ ever "make mistakes"?

So you can not claim to be like Him

Thattallgirl:
And as for Abraham, Abimelech and the rest u mentioned, is there a Bible verse(s) that says "they achieved" or "acquired" the love of God?

"Mark the Perfect man and behold the Upright; for the end of that man is Peace." Psalm 37:37.

"The Law of his God is in his heart; NONE OF HIS STEPS STEPS SHALL SLIDE! verse 31.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Love For God VS The Love Of God by Dtruthspeaker: 1:14pm On Apr 11, 2021

Kingdomtruth:
Good afternoon brother/sister.

You are really mixing up the GOSPEL TRUTH, hence, your argument is starkly against the truth... Your problem is that: you seem to think that you can BYE PASS the FINISHED WORKS of Christ Jesus on the CROSS, and by your HUMAN STRENGTH, WISDOM AND POWER you can serve God. Forgetting however, that true power, is found only in CHRIST JESUS. please know this and know it for good, that whatever you do, by your human strength and power, is nothing but a filthy rag before God(SELF RIGHTEOUSNESS). Without the HOLY SPIRIT in us through Christ Jesus, we are all death and no one can do anything or function without Christ.

Just hope I didn't come too hard on you. If I did however, I'm so sorry as it is not intended...I only wished there was a better way to convey my message...Thanks and God bless you

I understand your intentions are good, so no offence taken.

Thus, remember we were very close to this difference in our last discussion which you were not comfortable in proceeding into and I respectfully veered away, so now it has come up yet again.

I do not bypass the finished work of Christ I rather affirm that the work is Indeed Finished!

Then the reasonable question is, What Work? Can they not be identified? Having identified it what are we to do with it? When we do it, what is the True result? Do we have that result?

It is Written "by their Fruit, we shall know them".

It is The Law "A Good Tree Shall and Must Bear Good Fruit and an Evil Tree must and shall bear Evil Fruit".

Your fruit, is inconsistent with the Tree, if Christ is Truly Your Vine!

This is one of my basis for my response because Truth is Always Consistent as 1+1=2 in every nation, in every generation!

I do respectfully object that your 1+1 is not equal to 2 when ye say "our human nature makes us fall" or "we still make mistakes"!

The Law is, we Are Supposed to Be Perfect as our Father in Heaven is.

And we can be, IF WE WANT!

And you throw Righteousness at me as though I have ever claimed to be the Owner or Author of Righteousness, I am not the owner of righteousness, I have Only Righteousness to know that RIGHTEOUSNESS ALWAYS MEANS RIGHTNESS AND GOODNESS WITHOUT DEVIATION OR VARIATION!

Knowing this, I therefore knew that Righteousness is Doable, all that it requires is Exactly as the hymn says "To know the Right to do". Let me find the hymn!

Christianity Etc › Re: Six Important Reasons You Need God's Love. by Dtruthspeaker: 12:29pm On Apr 11, 2021

amrichy:
in that case, it is the duty and responsibility of the creator to carry out maintenance operations on his/her/its creation at the appropriate time. ..

Yes and True and All Creators in Discharge of this Duty, Specify and Instruct how the creation should be properly utilised Safely and Eternally through their "Instruction Manual" going as Far as Providing Scheduled and Periodic Maintenance with Them.

Thus, Creators have Discharged this Duty and Obligations.

Therefore, the Burden of Obligation has been Completely and Absolutely Transferred to the creation who has the Duty to Work Within Designated Limits As Specified by the creator while going for Periodic and Scheduled Maintenance As Specified by the Creator, if they want to last Forever!

Christianity Etc › Re: The Love For God VS The Love Of God by Dtruthspeaker: 10:41am On Apr 11, 2021

Thattallgirl:
I believe we can't. God's love transforms us from the inside out and even at that, due to our human nature, we still fail. But the Lord is right there to pick us up whenever.

You have Spoken the words of Truth at the highlighted, yet you still make errors.

Do you not appreciate that man is a "Soul" (Unseen hence spirit) only wearing clothes called skin or flesh?

Thus, you make the mistake of thinking and allowing your clothes to control you rather than you, Your True spirit you, controlling your clothes Exactly as allowing your hair, dresses, earrings, rings, shoes to control you, which you know every reasonable person has condemned already saying 'how can my car have power over me or my phone, shoes, watch etc?"

So also does your flesh not have power to rule over you, if you do not want it too.

Which is why I laid down that Abimelech, Abraham, Job, Joseph, etc achieved it and they were human too on this same world and hence as the Bible has forewarned, As Usual, "We are without Excuse and and D'fence!"

We can stop making mistakes if we truly do not want to, for we have done it even over things that do not give us Life eg Dressing, Clubbing, Gluttony, Greed.

How much more then shall we not be able to overcome the things which prevent us from Acquiring Life and the Completion of the Perfect Love of God?

Christianity Etc › Re: Six Important Reasons You Need God's Love. by Dtruthspeaker: 9:46am On Apr 11, 2021

ReacherSaidNoth:
Christians and dumb statements. All the inventions and ideas that have survived decades and centuries after the passing of the original creators show what a waste whatever education you had was.

Show me a creation that did not require maintenance from the creator oh ye learned one?

Christianity Etc › Re: Have You Ever Finished Reading The Whole Bible? by Dtruthspeaker: 9:43am On Apr 11, 2021

prettyheart:
I have not ooh, may God give me grace in Jesus name. Amen.

Never!

O am still in Exodus just after the flood for months and I really do not remember much in Genesis, but I am happy to always be refreshed eternally! grin

To me Depth is better than width as shown by the Parable of the Seeds! grin

Christianity Etc › Re: Is It Right To Shout (Violently) When Praying So Everyone Can Hear? by Dtruthspeaker: 9:35am On Apr 11, 2021

chatinent:
First of all, I'll like to correct the impression.

I believe there's nothing like “Holy Ghost.” I solely know of the “Holy Spirit.”

I have a neighbour who is always shouting every morning, and calling the “Holy Ghost Fire” on his enemies, clearly trying to imitate the Elijah scenario.

Cannot people pray silently without attracting attention?

Wasn't it the same thing that Pharisees did that Jesus condemned?
Please share your views.

lalasticlala, Dominque mynd44 Seun pocohantas

It is Written, "God is not deaf that He cannot Hear!

The doers just want to glorify themselves and publicise their fake devotion.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Why Sunday Is Important For All Christians by Dtruthspeaker: 9:33am On Apr 11, 2021

It's supposed to be Saturday for Sabbath is the 7th Day not the 1st Day as A Result of the Deceit as Foretold by Daniel "Changing Times and Seasons"!

The Truth is Now in the Past, not in the present!

Christianity Etc › Re: Six Important Reasons You Need God's Love. by Dtruthspeaker: 9:28am On Apr 11, 2021

wunmi590:
May the name of the Lord be praise, both now and forever (Amen)

Amen and Amen!

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Christianity Etc › Re: Six Important Reasons You Need God's Love. by Dtruthspeaker: 9:26am On Apr 11, 2021

amrichy:
What if the creation is created with the ability and capacity to "survive" without (the intervention of) the creator?

Not possible!

Every creation requires maintenance at a certain point or period of time in the course of its life, else It Must Pack Up And Die And Can not Continue Eternally!

Christianity Etc › Re: Do U Ask God For Forgiveness After Sinning In The Dream? by Dtruthspeaker: 9:25am On Apr 11, 2021

maureensylvia:
I can't just continue to blame myself after sinning in the dream, i know that i did wrong and i couldn't help myself but am sure dat i can't try such in reality, i will just go on my kneel and ask God for forgiveness though it was a dream...so what about u guys?

I am still studying it but I see already that dreams are our soul or spirit or heart (whichever you prefer) moving and doing things We Will and Intend therein.

And remember guilt commences from the soul not on earth (Physically).

Thus, if you have given offence in dreams, you would be guilty of offence requiring forgiveness!

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Love For God VS The Love Of God by Dtruthspeaker: 9:18am On Apr 11, 2021

Thattallgirl:
Ohh I understand your point. And just like you said, "As He is..." This shows we can only get there when we behold Him...but still it isn't perfect cos we still make mistakes.

We ought to stop making mistakes having made the mistakes before!

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