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BanjiRaymond:
Can anyone just tell me any advantage religion has on human, its impacts especially in Nigeria

Are you not the people who Do and Cause Religion?

If you people are not good how then shall your works (religion) be good?

Shall a snake give yam? Or A Miser, Garri?

jesusjnr2020:
During the afflictions of righteous Job, he kept speaking about his works of righteousness. Job 9:15, 12:4.

Why?

Of course you did not know that HE WAS DOING and PLEADING ABIMELECH IN GENESIS 20:4 (Checking and Raising the-Fence (D'Fence) that "He knows that he has Done No wrong or evil thing, therefore, he Ought Not to Suffer Any Affliction"

Because he knew that No Affliction falls on he that Doeth Righteousness! Genesis 20:4 among other Provisions of Law!

jesusjnr2020:
But his three friends who were wicked and workers of iniquity found fault in that, hence they kept criticizing him and falsely accusing him because he justified himself because of his righteousness. Job 4: 6-7; 8:6-7.

Wrong Again!

They were not wicked. They Rightly criticized him but 2 of them, Out of the 3 Friends that were with him (You Failed to take Cognizance of Elihu and his Speech) failed to do a good job in Speaking for and On God's Behalf Against Job, for Job Replied them with a foolish response and they fell before job, Therefore Failing to Properly Represent God!

But Elihu Properly Rebuked and Rebutted Job, thus, HE WAS EXEMPTED BY GOD FROM OFFENCE. Job 42:7.

So you are Wrong in your statement above and you did not comprehend what was happening in the Book of Job!

And therefore, since your Post is Founded on your Faulty knowledge of the Book of Job, The whole Building of Your Post is Faulty and is Hereby Demolished!

MightySparrow:
If they merit it, why not?

How shall they merit it when 1) They Denied The Judge Him and say and said all kinds of Fowl things (Blasphemies) Against him?

2) They taught others too, to Deny Him and cause them also to speak Blasphemies Against Him!

3) Not to talk of their Former Guilt of Sins, mmh! They have a Loooong Road to Cover!

StreetChurch:
We enter streets again on this episode of strictly street.
Wetin Una think, how many room you go get
for heaven

None! Man is made for this Duplex called world!

Upstairs Heaven!
Downstairs earth!

You can go up and down as many times as you like!

livingchrist:
You have not answered my question where is it written that anybody was made righteous by their works.

No sir, that's not the question, this was the question you clearly asked

livingchrist:
Work or deed is not the beginning of righteousness, do you have a biblical backing for this?

Now, I have answered and supplied the "Biblical Backing" so now you have changed the question.

To the question "where is it written that anybody was made righteous by their works?"

I never said anyone was made righteous by their works, No I did not, for I know "the man maketh, the work, and the work can not and does not make the man"

A wicked man can still do a Right work eg An Armed Robber giving to the poor, But it would go to Judgment!

So also A Right Doer can still do A Wrong eg A Pastor/Levite can still commit Adultery, Murder, etc, it would still go to Judgement!

Thus, I do not Pre-Judge anyone most especially as I have not been appointed Judge over their matter neither would I ever Pre-Judge.

However, I can readily and joyfully talk about Decided Cases and Their Judgements thereof, all my life long!

Knowing this is why i clearly said They were Righteous because God, The Righteous Judge, Adjudged them Righteous. (A Decided Case)

Basing and Grounding His Judgement of Righteousness Upon their WORKS/DEEDS/ACTS, in Consonance with The Law - "For God shall bring EVERY WORK (Deeds/Acts/Works) into judgment, with every secret thing, WHETHER IT BE GOOD, (Righteous) or whether it be evil (unrighteous)" Ecclesiastes 12:14

And I Personally Allign and Agree with The Judgement God Entered for them for Indeed THEY DID DO THE RIGHT and Their Works/Acts/Deeds was In Deed RIGHT!

MightySparrow:
Dtruthspeaker like kobojunkie is a zealous person with little knowledge and loud language.

Your contribution in the other similar thread sold you out.
Take time to study the Epistle to Romans.
Use other write - ups, internet for more light.
You seem to have little understanding on the subject matter.

Translation: Since I am Unable to Attack Dtruthspeaker's Assessment, so let me just attack him instead, (Ad hominem) at least that one I can do.

jesusjnr2020:
Man's righteousness is as a valuable treasure in God's sight

Yeah, like he went to the market and said "Madam, give me one carton of righteousness"

And she gave him receipts and particulars!

It is Written, All Unrighteousness is Sin!

God is The Owner, Commander and Supreme Judge of Righteousness not man!

All the creation called man is Required to do, is To Do Righteousness as Dictated by God as Recommended or he can choose to be On A Frolic of his own (man's own righteousness!)

And this False Prophet Deceitfully tells you that "Man's righteousness is Valuable in God's Eyes"

He Must Not Be talking about Righteous God, Creator of All Things including Righteousness but about someone else!

truespeak:
Well, he did not display that Character but rather moved straight to Smearing when he could not answer!

Well, I did not say that he won't beat you after you scored a goal like Kano pillars fans in Kano!

truespeak:
Do not mind him!

He seeks to Wrongfully hide his Shame by making a Wrongful accusatuon but his Shame is even Publicized even more!

A case of trying to distance himself from his shit but instead rubbing his shit all over himself!

Laughable!

I understand but he is actually evenly reasonable and appreciably fair, much better than his other Company

DappaD:
Dtruthspeaker, I know it’s you. You can’t muster the courage to approach me with your normal moniker. Quite sad.

Now your error even shines even more, for I know you are JW, like Max, Janos and co and Anti- God in Three Persons, So I would never even contest with you, for that has been done even last year or before, I think, thus, I would almost never do so, for nothing which Company does not accept, can not be accepted by you, even if the mountain is planted in the sea!

So I won't even try!

My position is clear and unchanged just as you will not change your position either and this has been long settled between us!

But Obviously Truespeak does not know that you are JW, but I have never forgotten!

DappaD:
Dtruthspeaker, I know it’s you. You can’t muster the courage to approach me with your normal moniker. Quite sad.

DappaD, I have been addressing Living Christ since and I was still working there when I saw your mention.

So I do not know what is going on here neither have I spoken to you!

livingchrist:
Work or deed is not the beginning of righteousness, do you have a biblical backing for this?

Again look,

Genesis 15:6
And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness.

I do have biblical Proof!

Before Genesis 15:6 was Genesis 12:1 ABRAHAM'S FIRST RECORDED Deed/Act/Work, God Suddenly Commanded Abraham to move"

And what did he Do? (Deed/Act/Work)

Did he Disobey and make excuses like many people I know and you know?

No, He Obeyed God and Wil-fully Moved!.(Deed/Act/Work)! in Law, we call it "Actus Reus"!

Is Obedience to God not Right Ab Initio?

Is Will-full Obedience to God Not The Beginning of Rightness or Righteousness?

Is There Any Greater or Higher Rightness than Obeying (Deed/Act/Work) God?

Is there Any Record Before Genesis 15:6 where Abraham did not (Deed/Act/Work) in Obedience to God?

No, Not One! All his (Deeds/Acts/Works) Recorded were Perfectly Right.

livingchrist:
James was only illustrating the relationship between faith and works, he didnt tell you works make you righteous.

Wrong, and Anyway, it wass Already Pre-Written "Even a child is known by his doings, (Deeds/Acts/Works)

Whether HIS WORK (Deed/Act/Work) BE PURE, and whether it BE RIGHT.(Righteous) Proverbs 20:11

Moreover, it is Further Written
"For God shall bring EVERY WORK (Deeds/Acts/Works) into judgment, with every secret thing, WHETHER IT BE GOOD, (Righteous) or whether it be evil (unrighteous)" Ecclesiastes 12:14

livingchrist:
They did right works because they believed. However, it was faith that was counted as righteousness before God.

Look Again, "Faith" is the Execution and Application of "Belief" which is Proven by Works/Deeds/Action!.

Because you believed your doctor/Surgeon, you commited yourself to his table (Action/Deed/Work); because you believed your mechanic, you committed your engine to his workshop; So also because Abraham and Co believed God, they Heeded and Obeyed His Voice (Action/Deeds/Works)

Obedience is the Beginning of Righteousness!

And Continuous Obedience to God (Acts/Deeds/Works) is Righteousness in Motion (RIM) And PROOF/EVIDENCE OF FAITH IN GOD!

Hence, it is Written Faith Without Works (Evidence/Proof) is Dead!

jesusjnr2020:
A man's righteousness is as a valuable treasure in God's sight, hence Jesus said:

Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for their's is the kingdom of heaven. Matthew 5:10 (KJV)

A man's wickedness is as filthy rags before God, hence the wicked who persecute the righteous for righteousness sake shall be cast into the lake of fire according to this saying of Jesus:

So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just,
And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. Matthew 13:49-50 (KJV) .

Is there Any Wrong Contained in Right? NEVER! Not even an atom!

Verify this and if I am Wrong Call me Out to Come and Publicly Tender A Thread of Apology to you, since I have Publicly Persecuted you!

Does A Right Thing have Any Objection or Complaint Whatsoever? NEVER!

It is Always Exactly as Written in Titus 2, "Uncorrupt, Unblamable, Infall-able, Unassailable and InComplainable because THERE IS NO REASONABLE WRONG THING TO COMPLAIN ABOUT!

The Law is "Let No Corrupt Communication Proceed Out of Your Mouth, but that which is Good..." Ephesians 4:29


It is Written "Strive with No man without cause". I have Ought Against you and I have presented it and yet you were not able to defend it and neither did you accept responsibility nor accept correction.

Thus compelling me to move against you in an attempt to stop your mouth by The Authority of Titus 2:11-13

"Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith"

It is Written, A Bishop Must be BLAMELESS... NOT SELFWILLED, NOT SOON ANGRY, A LOVER OF GOOD MEN, JUST, HOLY, TEMPERATE, REASONABLE;

So we Persecute you not, But it is The Law of Righteousness which Condemneth you, because you did not hearken unto RIGHTEOUSNESS WHEN IT CALLED, As Abraham Did, When He Called Unto him.

But you chose to continue in thy own way after thine own thought and walked not in the way of Righteousness!

livingchrist:
The short answer is no!

Kind of Wrong!

They were Righteous because THEY DID RIGHT WORKS/DEEDS/ACTS or Their Works/Acts/Deeds was Right!

And God, The Righteous Judge, Adjudged them and their Work/Deeds/Rights Righteous!

Kobojunkiee:
Burning in Hell ke? There is no body in hell so how can you see anyone in there?

Jude 3-7 Clearly Told us some of the Occupants there, Angels, the Residents of Sodom and Gomorrah, Balaam, Korah and his Multitude who Foolishly Challenged and Planned A Coup d'etat Against Moses!

And of course, I see you are still patronizing and responding to pastorjohn2 and have not yet fired him your malicious insults and ridicules which are fore runners to your Malice rather you are being Cool and even patronizing.

Why? because, you know that A Wrong can not and Can Never Correct Another Wrong".

Only Rights Correct Wrongs!

But I understand, Truths And Rightness Are Very Very Painful to a WrongDoer!

Kobojunkiee:
Will one who lives and dies as an atheist go to Hell? The answer is absolutely not. Unbelievers have been judged by God and so cease to exist when they take their last breath here on earth.

When and where have they being Judged? Even the First Sinner, Cain has not yet been Judged!

Stop reading the Bible with YOUR WISHES IN MIND and Seek the Truth that is True, Even if You Hate it.

God did not fashion Truth after your own or anyone's pleasure!

heendrix:
Can you accept someone into ur house after blatantly denying you exist??

Oh, Sweet Answer!

Sophieeeri:
Will atheist go to hell

Assuming he lives a sinfree life he treats others well does charitable work and does not practice evil.
Will jesus accept him into his kingdom or hell

His problems are and shall be

1) Guilt of Past Deeds BEFORE his "sinless" state of affairs!

2) Who Adjudged him "Sinless" when The True and Real Judge has not yet Judged! In fact The Court has not yet been Convened!

3) Guilt of Sins Committed After "Sinless" State of Affairs!

4) The Gravity of Denying Him and Teaching Others to Deny Him, it may be One of the Unforgivable Offences Against The Holy Spirit (Remember God is Holy and God is Spirit, hence Holy Spirit) and I think it is! (Thanks Heedrix )

jesusjnr2020:
Man's wickedness is as a filthy rag in God's sight hence God wanted to destroy the City of Nineveh, because their wickedness was come up before Him.

But God proved man's righteousness is as a valuable treasure in His sight, when He decided to pardon the City and not destroy them as He had said, because of their works of righteousness after they had repented and turned from their ways of wickedness. Genesis 18:20-32

No difference between you and kobojunkie, you are both Stones not flesh, blood and spirit; fountains that bring forth Sweet and Bitter waters!

Hear ye, if ye Truly be a Follower of Christ, and a Lover God, ye would have known that

Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.

16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

7 In all things shewing thyself a pattern of good works: IN DOCTRINE SHEWING UNCORRUPTNESS, gravity, sincerity,

8 SOUND SPEECH, THAT CANNOT BE CONDEMNED; that he that is of the contrary part may be ashamed, having no evil thing to say of you.

But I have pointed out your Corruption in your Doctrine and Condemned your speech and you could not Answer, yet you continue in your Corruption and in your False Doctrine!

Ye, Continue as A False Prophet come to bring Destruction upon the Simple!

Cursed is he that confirmeth not All the words of This Law, To Do Them!

Ye bringeth the Curse on thy own soul!

MightySparrow:
You try

Thank you Judging Righteously!

truespeak:
Hmmm!

He brings to mind the saying in Proverbs 15:32 KJV "He that refuseth instruction despiseth his own soul"

For his Soul's sake I hope he heeds the Warning in Proverbs 15:10 KJV
"Correction is grievous unto him that forsaketh the way: and he that hateth reproof shall die."

My Sister, hmmmh!

truespeak:
Again, Not Man's righteousness but Righteousness of God!

Thus Righteousness According to God's Standard not Man's!

Consequently, a Righteous man is one who Keeps and Does God's Righteousness not his own!

He is one whom God Himself has Declared to be Righteous in Keeping with God's Standard not his own!

You teach man's righteousness which is in conflict with the Word of God thus an Error!

It is Wise to Desist from Speaking Errors and Misleading Simple and Innocent Souls!

Help me tell him oh! He Obviously hates himself!

I hope he is not one who "Though thou shouldest bray a fool in a mortar among wheat with a pestle, yet will not his foolishness depart from him."

jesusjnr2020:
Man's wickedness in the land of Sodom was as filthy rags in the sight of God, hence God treated it as such when He destroyed the land of Sodom to get rid of such wickedness.

Are you that blind, that you do not see that "Wickedness is unsightly to look at Exactly as Discarded Rags? Rags that are so Dirty and Filthy that they can not even be used for wiping the floor?

jesusjnr2020:
Man's righteousness is a valuable treasure in God's sight,..

Is this how much you hate the Truth of God that you would rebel against it?

Anyway, you know what happens to the rebellious!

MightySparrow:
To God righteousness seems to mean so many things:

ONLY ONE! That which is Good, Very Good, Very Very Good to put it simpliciter!

MightySparrow:
Abraham believe God, it became his righteousness.

Kind of not Correct!

Look at the First Act of Abraham As Recorded, Genesis 12:1: God Just Came and Commanded him to Move.

And what did he do? Did he disobey and make excuses as many people I know and you know?

No, He Obeyed God and Wil-fully Moved! (Hence he Acted or Action) in Law, we call it "Actus Reus"!

Is Obedience to God not Right Ab Initio?

Is Will-full Obedience to God Not The Beginning of Rightness or Righteousness?

So, Abraham Did Rights and his Rights that he Did Do were Taken Account of!

MightySparrow:
Phineas killed a adulterous couple, it became hi righteousness, in fact, he earned him the position of the High priest.

Was it not the Doing of The Rightness as Dictated and Set by Law?

The Acts and Actions of Obedience and in Obedience to God are Right and therefore are Righteousness!

Which is why to Obey God, is The Highest Rightness or Righteousness (whichever you prefer) that a man can do and must do hence "If you Love Me, keep (Obey) my Commandments"

MightySparrow:
What is righteousness,? A way or action that meet the holiness - expectations of God in humans.

Simply "That which is Good!"

For God Made All things Good and The Law is "He who has Sown Good must Take up Good."

Thus, Rightness is the Return/Harvest of that which was Planted Good, which is why The Law is "Depart from evil, and Do Good; and dwell for evermore" (which people now call Eternal Life)!

MightySparrow:
Where do people find their own definitions or righteousnessWhere do people find their own definitions or righteousness

From the Spirit!

Thou hast commanded us to keep thy precepts (Orders,Rules, Laws) diligently.

5 O that my ways were directed to keep thy statutes (Laws)!

6 Then shall I not be ashamed, when I have respect unto all thy commandments.

Wherewithal shall a young man cleanse his way? BY TAKING HEED THERETO ACCORDING TO THY WORD.

10 With my whole heart have I sought thee: O LET ME NOT WANDER FROM THY COMMANDMENTS.(Law)

11 Thy word (Law) have I hid in mine heart, THAT I MIGHT NOT SIN AGAINST THEE.

Salvation is far from the wicked: for they seek not thy Statutes (Commandments, Laws) Psalms 119

Mercisharelove:
We have a lot to talk about, we will talk dear

Always here, by the Grace of God sis. I just saw and learnt Another Wonderful Good News!

"Righteousness keepeth him that is Up-Right, IN THE WAY: but wickedness overthroweth the Sinner." Proverbs 13:6

"I am THE WAY, The Truth and The Life"!

See the Connection?

jesusjnr2020:
Man's wickedness is as filthy rags in God sight hence He treated it as such and disposed of it during the days of Noah when He destroyed man from the Earth because of Man's wickedness. Genesis 6:5-7

Howevr at the same time God decided to preserve that which was a valuable treasure in His sight, which is Man's righteousness, hence His saving the life of the only righteous man on Earth called Noah and His family. Genesis 7:1

God bless

Why do you hate learning?

Have you not heard that "He that is taught of himself, has a fool as his master?"

"Give instruction to a wise man, and he will be yet wiser: teach a just man, and he will increase in learning"

"Be not wise in thy own eyes!"

What does the Spirit of "Righteousness mean? Is it not pertaining to that which is Right and Good, what wicked people reduced and wrong fully called "Morals"?

Look at all the Acts and Actions of the people celebrated and Acknowledged by God to be Righteous, were such Acts/Actions not Right and Good and Fair, which did not wound any one?

It is now you "Real Eyes" that you never really knew the Difference between Right and Wrong: Good and Wicked!

For Righteousness as Seen in the Acts/Actions/ Deeds/ Doings of those Declared to be Righteous in the Bible ALWAYS refers to those Acts/Deeds which were Right and Good and wounding No One!

UpRight is Up-Right meaning "High-Right" further meaning either "Right that is Full" or the Highest Right that could be Possibly and Practically Done"

This is their Truest meaning as Proven and Exhibited in the Bible!

Man's Righteousness refers to the Deeds and Acts which man determines and determined to be Right (and Good) eg Exactly like you saying and teaching "God decided to preserve Man's righteousness, RATHER THAN SAY THAT GOD PRESERVED HE WHO DEED AND HELD UNTO GOD'S RIGHTEOUSNESS"

"I am THE WAY, The Truth and The Life"!

"Righteousness keepeth him that is Up-Right, IN THE WAY: but wickedness overthroweth the Sinner." Proverbs 13:6

Mercisharelove:
Live it Up, the truth speaker

Sis, The Law is The Way, and I am Grateful to God to be as A Levite (The Keepers of The Law and the Judges of the Land as Moses.was).

danvon:
Can you explain this further? Let's say your blind, being unable to see you fell into a deep ditch and died was there any freewill involved there

When you were Blind did your Creator Plant or Placed or House you near a ditch?

No!

So, you must have exercised your freewill to leave the safety of your house where The Creator's Other Laws Take Effect, To Wit - "A man Intends (freely) the Consequences of his Act!"

If you put your hands in fire, you must have intended to get burnt in exercise of your freewill!

FatherOfJesus:
How come this is the case?

Satan has come again with his foolishness!

isn't it Obvious? That's the Centre of the World as a Whole!

Where "Things Fall Apart (or Stand) and the Centre Shall Not Hold (or Stand).

Grace and Salvation is loosed Upon the World!