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BRATISLAVA:
He thought he was too perfect and righteous and that was his sin, I was told.

Here is where I contest with everyone, he did not think that he was too perfect and righteous, for we know when we have done the good and the evil!

Thus, when we have done no evil, we must cry out that we have done no evil, (if it is True, I add)

Which is why you see Abimelech in Genesis 20:4 cry out in innocence, same for Lawyer Saul/Paul when God visited him.

Thus, that was not Job's sin, his sin was that he forgot his place and broke his bounds in raising himself (pride) too high before God, though God understood that it was because of his pain that he made this error!

BRATISLAVA:
The pastor made me understand that my acts of being perfect were filthy rags that didn't count for anything.

Anything that is Truly Right and Good is Right and Good which is why Rahab obtained the Grace of God, even though she was a prostitute and an Outsider as we stupidly say today. Joshua 2;9-14

However, there is a "Righteousness" which people say is "righteousness" that is filthy eg "Slap me, I slap you God no go vex"! "If you cheat on me, I will do my own back etc,

Are any of these "Righteousness" before The Lord? Are these not filthy?

But did The Lord not Applaud David for thinking to build a House for Him? Or was he not pleased with the guy who killed the Adulterous couple in Israel?

Consider and think which of these is righteousness?

And which is acceptable before The Lord!

Richwallet:
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Christ The Owner and Founder of Christianity clearly said "Who is my brethren?

For whoever does the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother." Christ-like aka "Christian"!

Get this, The Whole world practiced idol worship and paganism including Abraham and his people.

But God Cut out One, Abraham through whom He could shine His Light!

And Now, God's Light Shineth!

Which is why all of us, pagans can Join Abraham to leave our gods and the gods of out fathers to Follow The Lord Most High, as Lot Did!

So you are talking rubbish!

God Never drove us away, it is even rather that He Commanded Abraham to welcome us when we come!

ACKCITY:
A lot of people are quick to blame the devil when some things that are negative happens to them.

There are 2 Truths
1) The one that is from the-evil and
2) The one that they are the one who are the-evil!

ACKCITY:
They don't believe that anything that is not good can come from God.

Yes, Because Nothing bad can come from or be giving by God!

ACKCITY:
In Job 2:10, after God had held another meeting
Meanwhile his own(Satan) work is to go about the earth, walking up and down it. Of course, seeing activities of each person, so be sure that Satan knows and sees everyone's activities, just as God does.

It is people who have lost their jobs who move about from place to place and when God Himself has fired you, no one can ever hire you!

ACKCITY:
*Did you notice that from both chapters one and two, God actually permitted poverty and diseases/sicknesses on Job?

Yes, that's what a confident Winner does, eg as we say "No one can sleep with my wife, even if you are a billionaire, I trust her"

Ehen, so no problem here!

ACKCITY:
To buttress my point that it's not only good things that comes from God- in Job 2:10,

When you Trust your wife's integrity, the Test of her integrity must be in the natural course too.

And God did not Trust nor Boast in Job's wife, nor his children but in and on Job Alone!

So we shall not take our focus from Job and God and Satan, the-evil!

Therefore, God did not do anything Wrong in Trusting in His Champion, Job!

So you are talking absolute rubbish!

No, God Only Gives Good.

The-evil, is the one who gives evil!

Judybash93:
In my opinion, study religions and their origins and you'll come to the realization that majority of them were formed by people who were trying to explain the world in relation to their knowledge back then. You can also go deep into findings of science and even philosophy in order find ideas beyond the old sphere of our thoughts and you'll probably come to the realization that the notion god or gods isn't probable.

Because you wish you were beyond regulation and control, thus fulfilling the principle of "You See, what you want to see" and therefore, you do not see what is There and True!

OkCornel:
You know the difference between faith and delusion? Evidence/Results..

Evidence/Result you require is the physical one and I lightly given you some of it but you rejected it

"If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?"

OkCornel:
Again you’ve not addressed any of my questions, rather you’re seeing insults where there are none.

When in history did the rapture happen? Give us the year.

The other questions I raised on the great tribulation, you’ve not answered any of them as well.

I answered you that I do not have the power to make you you see these things for the Proof of these things is in your ability to see. And since you are not able to see, then I can not show you the Proof of it.

You just have to wait for it to manifest physically were your eyes work!

OkCornel:
Yet still, another totally unrelated response to my answer.

Please just tell us when in history the “rapture” happened. Let’s start from there.

No matter how hard you believe a lie, your belief can never make a lie the truth.

Now veiled insults have begun! I repeat I have not power to open the eyes of anyone as Elisha did to his servant.

If you do not see them, that is because you have not yet "ruled your spirit"!

The Law is "Thy Will be Done on Earth (physical/Flesh) as it is in Heaven (Spirit)!

You rely on the physical (flesh) meanwhile as Ron Kenoly said in the Song "The Battle is The Lord's"! "The battle is first won in the spirit before it manifests itself in the physical"

And The Lord has clearly said "The Flesh Profiteth Nothing"; "My words are spirit and Life"

All is done in the spirit First, before it begins to play out on earth, thats one of the many things I know!

But if you were very well atuned to the use of your spirit, "who ye are" surely you would see them all!

This is how far I can reasonably and practically go in the circumstance.

OkCornel:
How does assert your position that rapture has happened and we’re in the great tribulation now?

All these unrelated responses to my questions sha...

"The eye for the seeing, but many have eyes yet see not". knowing this, I do not assert and can not assert here, for assertion requires seeing and I do not have the power to open the eyes of they which see not.

But I am happy to allign and confirm with another who has seen what things I have seen!

xproducer:
Again, the Lord JESUS, the CHRIST says in part in John 10:17-18: "...No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This command I have received from My Father.”!

Sweet! I did not remember this one! The Bible has so many Answers to give!

OkCornel:
Were they beheaded? Where is the mark of the beast to be administered on people’s right hand and foreheads?

Is there a temple in Jerusalem as we speak? Has the abomination that causes desolation happened there? (Well of course not! Because there’s no temple to start with)

If all the above hasn’t happened, please how are we in the great tribulation Biko?

Read Matthew 24 carefully so you don’t mistake the beginning of birth pangs for the great tribulation itself.

Like the rapture these things have happened, the mark is being given and being taken, the Abominations have Occurred and Occurring, the Desolation is here.

But none of these matter to me save that it puts a smile to my lips That The Word of The Lord is Fulfilled and I see it, hence, i Love The Lord, More and More.

But I will not be distracted, I will not be moved, but with my eyes Fastened on The Laws of God, My Strength is kept up to conclude my Journey very well and blameless!

OkCornel:
Dtruthspeaker read the above and Matthew 24 again carefully.

"Better the end than the beginning" I am making a run for the end which is to be "he that overcometh and "Keepeth my Works unto the end"

I do not care about the scenery but I care very much to do The Utmost Works of Righteousness as The Lord has Commanded!

OkCornel:
Let’s go by your logic. The bubonic plague in the 1500s and the Spanish flu pandemic in the 1900s must also be the great tribulation.

Erm, also are they beheading people in America, Canada, Australia and Western Europe?

Bros, great tribulation never start.

Revelation 6:9 includes the Slain in America, Canada, Australia, China, Iran, Turkey, Afghanistan, etc.

I guarantee that you have not yet settled The White Horse and He that Sat on it In Revelation 6:2 but this is not a knowledge competition.

If you think we have not yet entered the Storms of Great Troubles, we would enter it.

If we have entered it as I say, we are already in it and the nexus between our reports is that these are the days of evil!

Abdulgaffar22:
But it is a well known fact by all humanity that those deserved to be under the CURSE of God are criminals and bad people.

The Laws of God does not follow the collective desire of the People, it is rather the people who Should Obey The Law, if they like. Thus, The Law is not subject to "democracy"!

Therefore, by Deuteronomy, Any Who Disobeys The Law is Under a Curse not just extremely wicked people alone!

Abdulgaffar22:
Therefore, apostle Paul reasoned as follows;

" if an innocent, beloved and righteous son of God like Jesus Christ was truly and actually crucified, then there must be a tangible reason why God would allow such a thing to happen "

This is the rationale behind the ideology of Paul when he made the Christians to believe that the reason why God allowed Jesus to be crucified on the Cross of Calvary was to bear the CURSE for the sins of humanity;

“Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a CURSE for us, for it is written: ‘Cursed is everyone who is hung on a pole.’”(Galatians 3:13).

Paul reasoned no such For being A Lawyer, He knew The Law and the Curses thereof which is Found in Deuteronomy 27:15-26 plus Deuteronomy 28:15-68.

Therefore, He said that "Christ, having taught us the Righteousness of The Law, if we Obey The Law, we shall be free from the Curse!

For all who are hung on a Tree, are Always Disobeyers of The Law, thus, which one of us is not qualified to hang on a tree having disobeyed The Law also?

Therefore, what is the Right and Just when an Innocent is made to hang on a Tree, and He that broke no Law is condemned?

An Exchange occurs, for he who sinned, died because he sinned.

But now He who sinned not, is killed by TheLaw, thus, The Law owes Him Life(s) having Wrongfully Taking Life and is therefore InDebted to Him!.

Therefore, All who He directs The Law to Give The Life Owed, Shall and Must Receive Life!

That is the Legal Consequence of Paul's Speech which of course Paul Knew, being A Lawyer!

Abdulgaffar22:
However, Paul completely neglected the fact that it is also possible for God to have answered the prayer that Jesus made in three different consecutive times in the Garden of Gethsemane (see Matthew 26:36-44) when he asked for the "cup of crucifixion" to be taken away from him;

No negligence here for Paul knew and understood as I said earlier!

Abdulgaffar22:
Now, if a person believe Jesus to have been the "Son of God,” then why would God not answer the blood-sweating prayer of His son, when Jesus is quoted to have said elsewhere ;

Did you not see the end of the request which is "nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done."

Abdulgaffar22:
If Jesus really prayed to be saved from crucifixion and God always heard him then why would he be crucified ? This is a food for thought for every Christian !

Repeating your question will not make it better and there is nothing to think about!

Abdulgaffar22:
But despite this rational submission, Christians still believe that Jesus died for their sins on the cross of Calvary. Hence, according to the Christians, an innocent, righteous and beloved son was put to DEATH under the CURSE of his own father in order to bear the CURSE for the sins which the son did not commit. Does this make any sense to you ?

I have explained the sense to you!

Abdulgaffar22:
How can God who abhors sin use the instrument of sin as a tool of purification ? Or the supposed murder of innocent Jesus on the cross was not a sin ?

I have explained!

Abdulgaffar22:
Besides, God has declared long ago that a righteous person CANNOT BE PUT TO DEATH for the sins of the wicked ;

"The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not bear the guilt of the father, nor the father bear the guilt of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself ( Ezekiel 18:20).

Nothing here says "a righteous person CANNOT BE PUT TO DEATH" rather it says it is a sinner who is supposed to Die!

Abdulgaffar22:
Now, if the righteous soul cannot be put to death for the sins of the wicked, then how can the wicked be saved and have eternal life ?

I have explained this!

Abdulgaffar22:
See how the Old Testament, the New Testament and the Qur'an agree on the fact that sincere repentance from our sinful ways is enough to erase our sins and hence there is no need for any innocent and righteous soul to die for the sinners - let alone such innocent and righteous soul being accursed by God!

No you come to steal, we do not desire to be aligned with your ... (I do not have any respectable words for your kind so dot, dot is ok)

We Christians are very clear in our minds what God says about Abstinence from Sins, repentance and cleansing from sins and we need no support or allignment from and with you guys!

Abdulgaffar22:
Again, it is NO WHERE to be found in the Jewish Scriptures that the coming Messiah would fall under the CURSE of God by being crucified on the Cross of Calvary; this is the exact reason why the alleged Jesus crucifixion continue to be a stumbling block for the Jews to accept Jesus as their Messiah (see 1st Corinthians 1:23).
No such belief—death of Messiah by crucifixion—is recorded among the Jews at all, and certainly not in the Hebrew Scriptures.

Haven't you heard that we do not listen to Jews?

Abdulgaffar22:
Of course, how could an innocent, righteous and beloved Messiah that deserved to be BLESSED
by God ( And He has made me blessed wherever I am (Qur'an 19:31) now became ACCURSED by God (as stated in Galatians 3:13) for the sins he did not commit ?

Now you have slipped in your dot, dot book we do not read nor care to know what it says!
It is sufficient for us that it contains some really outrageous Abominations!

Abdulgaffar22:
It is only the DEVIL AND HIS ANGELS that deserved to be put under the CURSE of God and Jesus himself also confirm this truth ;

All Disobeyers of The Law of God are Already Under the Curse of Law!

Abdulgaffar22:
As you can see from the verse above: It is only those on the LEFT HAND who belong to the group of the "DEVIL AND HIS ANGELS " that are usually under the CURSE of God.

Do not read to us our Bible, we read it before you and we know how to read.

Abdulgaffar22:
It is IMPOSSIBLE for God to put an innocent and righteous soul under His CURSE just like it is IMPOSSIBLE for God to speak a LIE (i:e a statement that is false);

You do not need to tell us what we already know, it is our Bible and we know it much much better than you, eh so stay in your place.

Abdulgaffar22:
This is nothing but "DOUBLE STANDARD".

Of course you must come to wiid eyed crazy conclusions, since you do not know much!

Abdulgaffar22:
Therefore, on the authority of Qur'an (4:157-158), Muslims believe that Jesus was never crucified but someone else was crucified in his place. But if this Qur'anic proposal sounds strange to those who have been raised to believe in Jesus crucifixion, then the doctrine of Jesus crucifixion sounds even stranger when placed beside Deuteronomy 21:23 which states, “He who is hanged is accursed of God".

Can the opinion of Carpenter be accepted during a heart surgery? Or shall we go to the agbero to learn manners?

So also we do not care what the Muslims believe or say!

OkCornel:
1. Is there a global persecution in place where people who do not align to a one world belief system are routinely beheaded?

2. Are the elements of the weather devastating humanity on a global scale? For example has wormwood polluted all the water bodies on earth and poisoned majority of mankind? Or has the global water body turned to blood?

Bros, that period would be horrible, the world hasn’t seen anything such as it.

Did you not hear of the Several beheadings from 2 years back before the Plague of Corona, even Nigeria was not left out?

Have they not been crying out "climate change, climate change" like never before?

As reported, different places across the world have experienced bloodied waters, which was never before seen..Now, the cry today is food price increase!

All these are in fulfillment of the Prophecies but I do not say it is past. But I Do say that The Day of The Lord (Judgment Day) is Drawing Closer and All waiting for the Space Ship called "Rapture" will be Greatly Disappointed for IT SHALL NOT COME as they thinketh but that it has since taken place already.

The World is heading down hill to the Day of The Lord, which is what the thread is about and I Confirm the observations of the Op!

ThePlainTruth:
How does these verses you listed answer the question below:

Malachi 3: 1-3 “I will send my messenger, who will prepare the way before me. Then suddenly the Lord you are seeking will come to his temple; the messenger of the covenant, whom you desire, will come,” says the LORD Almighty. But who can endure the day of his coming? Who can stand when he appears? For he will be like a refiner’s fire or a launderer’s soap. He will sit as a refiner and purifier of silver; he will purify the Levites and refine them like gold and silver. Then the LORD will have men who will bring offerings in righteousness"

Malachi 4:5-5 “See, I will send the prophet Elijah to you before that great and dreadful day of the Lord comes. 6 He will turn the hearts of the parents to their children, and the hearts of the children to their parents; or else I will come and strike the land with total destruction.”

Zechariah 9:9 Rejoice greatly, Daughter Zion! Shout, Daughter Jerusalem! See, your king comes to you, righteous and victorious, lowly and riding on a donkey, on a colt, the foal of a donkey.

Micah 5:1/2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.

The Verses Point to Who Shall be Sent, Where He Shall Come From and What He Shall Do When He Arrives, All of Which Christ Fulfilled!

Surely, it is not out of place for Christ to Come with Further Instructions from The Most High which we are not privy to and neither does The Most High have an Obligation to pre-inform us.

It is Sufficient that The Most High (as Usual) has sent His Message through His Messengers and The Messenger(s) have delivered their Respective Instruction and Messages, for us to either receive it or discard it.

Thus, as from Moses to Christ, we were not foretold what might befall any of the Messengers, so there is no anomaly here at all!

Energy48:
What is happening now is not what is mentioned in Daniel 12. Plus, the prophecies in Isaiah 11 have not yet happened. But it is happening now. Ezekiel 37 through 39 gives the TIMELINE of these events as they are happening now.

Did you just know about Daniel 12? It has been on for years and I think it is even almost complete.

Isaiah 11 is also known as the Day of the Lord!

Ezekiel 37 -39 is Fully Accomplished!

OkCornel:
Nope. Jesus made it clear in Matthew 24, there would be troubles, but the great tribulation is totally different from that.

Lemme pull out the scripture shortly.

Are these not days of Troubles "such as Never Seen since the beginning of the world?"

Have people not already confessed these Truths in here in Religious Section, Crime Section, Politics Section, Romance Section, Family Section etc ?

The people of the world have long since marked the presence of Mathew 24:21

ThePlainTruth:
Where are these passages you quoted in the Old Testament? Should they not have been prophesied in the Old Tstament?

Moving Backwards in what you guys call Old testament, Malachi 3: 1-3;, Malachi 4:5-6, Zechariah 9:9, Micah 5:1/2 etc

OkCornel:
Has the great tribulation happened?

All the Troubles happening are they not enough indications?

Did you not know that Tribulation means Trouble-lations (Much Troubles or Increased Troubles) as used in the Bible?

Is it not Always Written Much Troubles Follow the Wicked?

Kobojunkiee:
I am afraid you are ignoring what I stated. The return in question happened in a vision format (not an actual return). Peter and John were given visions of the actual event which according to their visions is to take place in a far off future.

Yet Revelation 6 1-8 has occurred! If thou not have an eye to see, it is not our fault!

Kobojunkiee:
Rapture is invisible? I don't recall Jesus Christ suggesting that a rapture to take place would be invisible.

"My words are spirit; the Flesh profiteth Nothing". He said!

As Spirit it is Unseen hence invisible as he said. But being spirit, it is also seen and experienced.

The Rapture has long since begun!

obonujoker:
Lol... Another clown... This is what happens when people believe and propagate the pre-tribulation rapture

You are still waiting for the the Space Ship called "Rapture"?

E go shock U!

ThePlainTruth:
By why is that not in the Old Testament which Christaints claim God has given His prophesies about Jesus.

I do not understand, what is not in, what people call old testament?

bosman50:
This story in Matthew 15 is very troubling. A Canaanite woman cries out to Jesus to heal her daughter. By the end of the story, her daughter has been healed — but between the crying and the healing, Jesus says some terrible things. He’s arrogant, racist and just plain mean.

That is one of the many Wrongs you people called man have "the Wrong of Disobedience". Therefore, you do not comprehend when a Person is Being Obedient in Complying with His Instructions!

So, Surely, you did not take note of His Instruction "I am not sent (to all) But unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel) and a Canaanite is not an Isrealite, therefore she and everyone else who is not an Isrealite is Excluded.

So as a Person Under Authority for He did not come to do His Will, He Must Abide with the Instruction of His Authority!

Because you are an Evil person, you did not see and you would not see that He Did Not Send her Away, even when his disciples pressed on Him to do so, Why?

What do you think He was doing whilst He had not yet sent her away?

Or what was He waiting for?

But because you are well accustomed to disobedience you would not and did not see what was Really happening and the Goodness that we, today Obtain from Good Good God, The Father through Jesus Christ!

Which is why you spoke foolishly and passing an Untrue and Wicked Judgement Against A Person Who Did No Wrong At All.

It is even rather He Did Good, Even when bound by Instruction and Commandment!

Gaggii:
That's the problem, no direct answers to questions. Just using Bible verses to cause confusion.

I have presented the direct answer which is that contained and disclosed by the Bible!

Gaggii:
Let me ask like this.

Who created God = Nobody..yes/no.

You have No Right to Circumscribe my Response Same as I have No Right to Circumscribe Your Questions!

So my Answer goes You Demand the Impossible for No creation knows nor can know much of His Creator!

It is impossible!

Gaggii:
Who created Jesus = God... Yes/no.

The Bible says "Begotten from The Highest (The Father) not "created"

Gaggii:
None of this verses said nothing about God allowed human to kill Jesus to prove that man is full of evil and capable of killing is creator

John 3:16 clearly shows God Knew He would be Murdered as the other Prophets, yet He Sent Him, as the other Prophets. Same reason is seen in the other Scriptures!

God's Disclosure of Knowledge and Awareness is Sufficient, He need not say more.

KaideeGee:
I have always been so fascinated by God's word cause it's so full of mysteries.
In church this morning we studied on the Holy Spirit and it came around to the scripture (Lk 3 vs 16) '...He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with fire'. That struck a chord and I've been trying to decipher it can someone care to explain?

It means "Inspiration" (In Spirit Action) Movement of your spirit! Power and Energy in your soul!

All these because you are More Spirit than you know but as taught by your parents, teachers, school, even churches, you think you are skin and bones (flesh) which is not True.

Thus, "He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with fire" means He Would Give you a New Good and Pure Spirit and Plenty of spirit action (Inspiration)

FatherOfJesus:
there is no evidence for this

Artificial intelligence can comprehend their creators. Do research

Lie-Lie! . But anyway it is you, their Creator, who has Chosen to give them all that you have.

They did not ask you and after all you shall live or die with the consequences of your action.

xproducer:
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Friend, you are not far from the facts... but the truth is that GOD judged, or rather justified them as righteous only because He clothed them according to His perfect will (Romans 9:15-16), and us (we who are truly His in faith) in His righteousness - not including anything that we did, before or after salvation.

Brother, Clothed in His Righteousness means wearing the Clothes of God's Righteousness not what you or any man thinks is Righteousness but What God has Directed to be Right.

Which is why Job said "I put on righteousness as my clothing; justice was my robe and my turban"

Or David said "My son, Forget Not My Law, BUT LET THINE HEART KEEP MY COMMANDMENT, ...bind Them about thy neck, write them upon the table of thine heart"

xproducer:
Our works, are really GOD's works, so only He is rightfully glorified -

Like our trying to get that guy who was not afraid to take up the Name of God as his Monika Jesusngr to understand, "All True Righteousness Exclusively Belong to The Lord" All Glory from the Works of Righteousness are Truly His and His Alone!

ThePlainTruth:
The Jews have a valid reason to doubt that Jesus is the Messiah God has promised them in the Old Testament, as the Messiah God has alway given them does not turn the other cheek. David did not turn the other cheek to Goliath. No where in the Old Testament did God ask the Jews to turn the other cheek to their enemies, instead God leads them into Battle. But then the Romans conquered Israel and under the control of the Romans the New Testament was written and suddenly God became a God of turn the other cheek

They have no Validity at all for their Rejection was From the Beginning Immediately After they left Egypt.

They Rejected God Himself, They Rejected Moses Himself, they Rejected God's Laws, they Rejected and Murdered God's Servants called the Prophets, who came to warn them about their Too Much Rejectings!

With this History of Rejection it is only foreseeable that they Must Reject The Lord God, Who came in the physical (since they have finished doing the spiritual rejection) form of Jesus Christ!

They have No say!

FatherOfJesus:
For a creator

You, the man!

You are creator yourself! You created dolls, mannequins/womannequins, plastic trees, mountains, toy-gardens and toy worlds just like your Creator!

Neither are you plastic or iron or rubber or stone like your creations, You Are More than your creations can ever comprehend and Different from them.

So also your Creator is More than you can comprehend and Certainly Different from you!