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kingxsamz:
Lol, but for real, you said even if we finally understand the universe and its existence, that it doesn't rule out a god. Can you tell us what this god is made of, what it looks like, how you were able to come across the knowledge of what this god wants, and how you were able to tell that this god is actually the Christian god and not any of the thousands out there? Don't quote the bible. Just straightforward answers.

Of course you are demanding that he do the Impossible!

"A creation Can not Know it's Creator except the parts The parts The Creator has Revealed to the creation"

Just as your phone only knows the warmth of your hands and your voice, but it does not and cannot know where you work or live many other things!

I know that you hate hearing this Answer, but if you ask it, I am going to tell it, until you can supply a Valid Counter as you usually do to the little ones you are able defeat!

Hermes119:
Op I'm an atheist (with respect to the religious description of the term "God" ) but let me assume that you are right,so what next I should become a Christian right ?

Cos I can't understand the point of this sort of threads

That Guy is not One of our Guys! The Performer and the Performee Set all up!

I am Glad to Announce the Launching of the Movie Premiere "Double-Play" Produced and Directed by FOJ,

Starring FOJ, Co-Starring FOJ as "The Hiding Man" scratch that, "Hidden Man", oh ooh, Scratch that "Hidden Dude"!

SUPPORTED and SPONSORED BY "The Community of Haters of God" and the Satanist Movement!

It's Such a beautiful movie to watch no nudity and sex scenes, no fowl language and violence!

The Whole Family will see so much "Fallacies" such that they ought to see that this thread sorry movie, is A "Fallacy"

Oh, you are a funny man, Someone in the Audience just shouted "Fallacy of the Pretentious Gemini"

Another says "Fallacy of the Edie Murphy"

Oh, guys stop it, The Name of the Movie is not "Fallacies" but Double Play, so as I wanted to say...

Someone just said "Fallacy of the Fallacious Speaking"

Oh guys, just go out and do not buy the movie for The Fallacious General Warns that this Movie is Dangerously Fallacious to your Soul!

FatherOfJesus:
No1 is a fallacy of God is the gaps, because we don’t know how the universe started is not evidence for the existence of God. Just simply say we don’t know.
And because we don’t know today doesn’t mean we won’t know tomorrow.

No2 is a fallacy of strawman, you ended creating another argument that doesn’t in anyway provide evidence for the existence of a God.

No3 is another strawman, the argument that the universe existed infinitely is still an hypothesis, it doesn’t in anyway provide evidence for the existence of a God. Nobody knows for sure what happens before the Big Bang, everyone is hypothesizing. You can’t base your conclusion in philosophical arguments alone, this is why even Aristotle was wrong many times.

4. If the universe needs to have a beginning then your God must also have a beginning. If you God cannot have a beginning then the universe can also not have a beginning. If you think the universe must have a beginning and your god doesn’t then it’s going to be a fallacy of special pleading. If your God has a beginning then it will lead to an infinitesimal beginnings which creates numerous philosophical problems.

5. There’s not evidence that the universe has a beginning, your have not proven that it has a beginning. So this argument has a deducted error.

7. The God of Gaps fallacy. Because we don’t know then God must have done it. That doesn’t hold any water in a philosophy. This also boiled down to which God you are talking about in particular. We have 4200 of them, which one does fit all the description you made

hiddendude:
Another excuse! Even if I read this from somewhere, ..

He too does not know!

Arsenella007:
My only question is how come out of all the planets that were formed out of the big bang, only earth supports life?

Compulsory! 40 Marks!

Coconuthead126:
Which civilization has the rightful claim to this famous art work.. The Benins insist they are the original owners and the Yorubas stole it from them, while the Yorubas insist it belongs to them since the era of Ile-ife. Which sides actually owns it? it's causing a stir on social media now as Benin groups are accusing the yorubas of appropriating their art work.

See the face na, it is a typical Bini man!

hiddendude:
Again, assuming from little or no evidence at all.

That's how criminals are caught. From No Evidence, to little hairs of evidence and boom, they whole crime and the criminal is exposed!

hiddendude:
What moral theory I subscribe to is of no relevance to this thread. It is a thread on the problems with the divine command theory that demands a possible resolution. Haba, think straight na

Truth does not like to be Hidden, and I see you that you keeping in tune with your Monika which is to remain in Darkness.

I know ONLY ONE Group of Persons who love Darkness and they Do Not Like The Light meanwhile Truth is Always Light.

And given your first surpise attack on me, plus the newness of your Monika, I understand that you must know me and you are already against me no matter what I reasonably say!

hiddendude:
My opinion on morality matters less. This is derailing the thread.

Yet you opened a thread on "Morality"!

I think I know who you are!

hiddendude:
A fallacy is simply a flaw in reasoning. It undermines an argument. Where you got your own definition of a fallacy is simply beyond me.

What do flaws do? When a bridge or building or car or anything is flawed, what happens to them?

Aside!

hiddendude:
This is a fallacy known as "poisoning the well" or a smear tactic. You want me to feel a particular way about a person without giving me the opportunity to relate with such a person to know if I'd like them.

Give you a particular feeling? Do Warnings not elicit certain feelings?

Do what seemeth good to you!

hiddendude:
Being a Christian myself, I would throw in a bias by saying God made the laws yet it doesn't solve the problem I have highlighted. It only begs the question over and over.

Like you said, I do not know what you know so it is time for you to present what you know then I can match it up with mine.

And the first thing is where do you think Morality comes from? Or who do you think is in charge of Morality or what is your own opinion as to the source of Morality?

Both your Bias and Unbiased view is welcome!

hiddendude:
*sigh*

You bet? How did you arrive at the conclusion that I do not know what morality is? My guess is I'm in for a crappy argument with no logical basis but I'll give you the benefit of proving me wrong.

Truth does not like to be Hidden, it would show, so I do not need to prove it and besides that is not what this thread is about.

It is about

"Is something right because it is commanded by God or God commands something because it is right?"

Which I am poised to answer!

hiddendude:
This is just ad hominem! Everyone that isn't philosophically aligned with your beliefs is diabolical? Dude, this is the era of information, no more backwards thinking. I've debated atheists since God knows when, yet I haven't become one myself.

I am An Authority and Teacher of "That which makes A Person Fall" called (Fall,acy which is in similitude to "legitim,acy, Supreme,acy and all the "acy" things).

And Natural Truth, like the ground under your feet does not make a person Fall.

I am just giving you a warning about who you are engaging with and how soul damning his works are which are plainly recorded here in nairaland.

After that, what you do, is up to you, but I STAND WITNESS TO SAY THAT YOU WERE WARNED!

hiddendude:
What is the history of morality? How is that relevant to this thread?

You can not know or understand the number 7 or 10 without understanding 0 and 1.

And the beginning is who made Laws of Rights and Wrong?

God or man?

I bet you did not know till now that morality refers ALWAYS to that which is ALWAYS RIGHT and GOOD!

hiddendude:
Disclaimer: I'm a theist and this thread isn't to say morality isn't objective, it aims to highlight problems with the divine command theory.

Your first fall here is that you do not know the history of Morality and you think morality is made by men as gleaned from your previous post!

hiddendude:
Experience! But I do not use my experience in arguments because the other party has no way of verifying whether or not my experience is true.

Watch Out for that guy, he is A Satanist and Satan's best recruiter on nairaland. He Hates God with an insane and blind hatred, the way Satan must.

Even in the presence of Irrefutable Good Reason, he will not accept it but he intends to take you by the same "good" reason.

So reasoning with him is only meant to swallow you up as An Anaconda to an Antelope!

Many of the Antichrists, Haters of God and Satanist that you see here today were former "Christians" who once contended with him and we're swallowed whole by him.

He is very well informed, intelligent and cunning.
Guard your soul!

Image123:
It's a disservice to Christianity for you to refer to koboko as a Christian. There's nothing Christian about him. He's not born again neither does he believe the Bible.

Seconded!

Original Mr. Contradiction and Mr. Words and Opposite.

sonmvayina:
Who is the "we"?.. Try and read your comment before you click submit...

Surely you did not forget you said

sonmvayina:
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Christians over to you..

Kingdomtruth:
And if it works for you as you've stated here, then I can only be HAPPY for you and pray for God's GRACE to help you sustain what you have in Jesus' name...Stay well and God bless you.

Stay well and May God Show you His way

Show me Your way
That I may walk with You
Show me Your way
I put my hope in You

The cry of my heart
Is to love You more
To live with the
Touch of Your hand
Stronger each day
Show me Your way


By Hillsong

Kingdomtruth:
Smiles! I see that you are very strong willed here. If you truly BELIEVE in this as a gospel truth, well , I'll just respect your view and live it right there. After all, "to each they say his own"

Not "Strong willed" but exactly as Written
"I have set the LORD always before me: because he is at my right hand, I shall not be moved."

"The Lord is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the Lord is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?

Though an host should encamp against me, my heart shall not fear: though war should rise against me, in this will I be confident.

But, I also respectfully cease contention!

Hashabiah:
True talk.

Thank you!

All "lifestyle" are all Acts or Actions done continually or consistently, jointly or severally over the course of life.

So sin commenced FIRST as An Act, then done continuously through the course of living,

By inherited, we mean "Repetition" not Transfer from he who has to he who had not!

Therefore, every soul commits there own sins.

And every who commits sin would require an escape (salvation) from He Whom they have offended!

Hashabiah:
Except you are in denial, there is an objective standard for morality. And if there is no objective standard, then how can we be sure that what we are doing in society is right?

And this is where All Atheists fall for it is God Who Has the Best, Highest and Unbeatable Standard of Morality!

In Morality, God is the World Champion!

Kobojunkie:
I worry more that the author of this piece may not truly know God but may have simply traded his unbelief for belief in the person of God.

Mr. Opposites, Mr. Hot-Cold (or is it Cold-Hot?) Mr. Two-Mouth and Mr. ContradictionJunkie.

People, do you not see this his peculiar magic show of being Accursed to Speak Opposites?

Can the Author who made that presentation
1)"Not Truly know God"
2) present his knowledge of God
3) have "unbelief"
4)"belief in the person of God"?

As produced and directed by Mr. Opposites, kobojunkie?

Does this information make or have any good sense?

Cc:BecaciaBarbie:

davuvid:
What I know is that it takes grace to run this race...

My prayer is that I make heaven at last and this I pray for you too

Man Already and Did have Grace because God is Good but when is man going to utilise The Law of "All thy Strength and with All thy Might and with All thy heart"?

Samneer:
what's your own opinion? Should a true Christian believe in such doctrines, or sway it aside as heresy?

It is Written All shall be judged for their works whether it be good or it be evil as the Parable of the Talents has told us.

There is No Parable where A Sinner escaped unpunished!

Kobojunkie:
I am not happy though because I came expecting I would be in "good" company. Only I could not find the Light that is Jesus Christ, shining, everywhere I looked, even in those who claimed to know God.

of course you can not be happy when you are under the Curse of "he that confirmeth not all the words of This Law to do them.

Cursed be he that maketh the blind to wander out of the way.

Cursed are you and Cursed shall you be!

BecaciaBarbie:
Everyday you learn something new about God that helps you grow spiritually.
For instance, as a Christian you might lie at some point and think nothing much of it, but at a point in your Christian race, those little lies would become serious to you, because the fear of God in you would make you remorseful about these little things we don't think counts.

I confirm for I went to boarding school and l observed lying was beginning to stick to me, thanks to this observation I started trying to resist it until I left the school and returned to my natural habitat.

To the Glory and Praise of God as I Learnt more and understood the great and deep.wickedness of lying, I grew to hate it and hate the Liars even more, for I have grown to the point that it is only Truth that runs out of my lips, even if you are going to hurt my flesh.

Kobojunkie:
Maybe this should be a topic for another thread

Yeah, Why would you not flee from this course of action when you have learnt to Lie with the Truth?

XXXXTENTACION:
Fvck gods love.

Surely, this is no atheism but God-Hateism!

topshore:
Scripture: Ephesians 2:12-20
Analysing our text Scripture today, for centuries there had been separation among the people of God before Christ's Death and Resurrection.

In those days, the Jews and the Gentiles were sworn enemies because the proud Jews
- having chosen to receive God's law considered themselves closer to God but the Gentiles far from Him...

You obviously did not know that a Jew, is just a gentile taken up by God and since they did not want God, they were gentiles in spirit.

And from your writings, you obviously do not appreciate that you too are a gentile, so did you ever quarrel with the Jews?