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achorladey:
Micah 6: 6-8
What Does the Lord Require?

6 “With what shall I come before the Lord, and bow myself before God on high? Shall I come before him with burnt offerings, with calves a year old? Will the Lord be pleased with thousands of rams, with ten thousands of rivers of oil? Shall I give my firstborn for my transgression, the fruit of my body for the sin of my soul?”

8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and fwhat does the Lord require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?

Sweet!

sonmvayina:
LOL.. You did not disprove any of my point oh.. Open your heart and let the spirit guide you.. The letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life...

I Obliterated It and there was no way you could rebut it, which is why you insult.

sonmvayina:
LOL.. You no get one single sense at all..

"People generally insult when they do not have a valid point to make"

And I see something now, you are also An Otemite or Atumite in the religion of Otemism!

You are not a follower of God through the Commandments as you represented nor do you believe in any book of the Bible.

You are just an Antichrists come into the community of the followers of God, Pretending to hold a different view in the service of God ONLY for the purpose of derailing such as are not founded in the body of Christ and to cause them to depart from the way of salvation.

Now I understand everything about you and that you are FOS (full of shit) and that is why it comes out of your mouth instead of your anus.

0temSapien:
Now I know exactly which of the gods you are talking about. That is Jehovah, the god of Israel who happen to be one of the imposters parading himself as God Almighty. Currently he is in a spiritual cage and he will be let free by the gods of science in 996 years to come. Peace.

You really believe this shit that runs out of your mouth?

I did not know that when the Bible said

"But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction."

Crazy shits like this too would be included. Well I guess I better cover up for the shit's really hit the fan.

sonmvayina:
LOL.. You no get one single sense at all.. You are still operating in the physical. For God sake, we are spiritual being dwelling within a physical body made from dust...
God is the spirit behind all creation.. Not a man or human being..i said everything God created has a purpose, even what you refer to as Satan.. They only do what God ask them to do.. They do not have a brain to think or make choices.. That luxury was reserved for man
God is omni present, meaning everywhere.. Air, river, land trees... Satan is inside the everywhere not independent of it or outside of it.. Same as us, we are part of God, God is part of us...

Keep on learning.
Both the creator and the creation are one and the same thing.. That is why it is called a UNIverse..

Let me start with your last statement,

sonmvayina:
Both the creator and the creation are one and the same thing.. That is why it is called a UNIverse..

So Steve Jobs and iPhone are the same thing Or Toyoda and Toyota? Ok, I leave you with your thinking!

sonmvayina:
LOL.. You no get one single sense at all.. You are still operating in the physical. For God sake, we are spiritual being dwelling within a physical body made from dust...
God is the spirit behind all creation.. Not a man or human being..i said everything God created has a purpose, even what you refer to as Satan.. They only do what God ask them to do.. They do not have a brain to think or make choices.. That luxury was reserved for man
God is omni present, meaning everywhere.. Air, river, land trees... Satan is inside the everywhere not independent of it or outside of it.. Same as us, we are part of God, God is part of us...

I think I understand you now, you call everyone crazy Because You Know You Indeed Are Crazy with your crazy ungrounded opinions. No different from the Otems but of a different variant.

So you know that when people hear you, they shall think you wild eyed crazy and insane, so you shoot at them before they realise that you are the crazy one.

You already know that you are a Liar but you are here exactly for that purpose which is to fulfil the word of the Lord

"But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction."

So it's alright, keep your craze to yourself!

0temSapien:
What about the bible stories about him? Are the stories correct?

Yes, they are!

sonmvayina:
Satan is just one small aspect of God. God is the totality of existence itself. Satan is not independent of God

Holiness means Power-Full Spotlessness, therefore God can not be associated with any atom of uncleanness.

sonmvayina:
He was created to accomplish God's purpose, and that is what he is doing..

Evil is created for the purposes of taking away every evil and bad thing so that only Good would remain.

Satan and evil became married and rather than wait for evil or bad to occur in its natural process, he goes ahead to provoke the doing of Bads, Wickedness and evil.

sonmvayina:
Whatever happens, happened because God willed it to happen, not because devil did it

We are clearly told the Wills of God, so No one should impose or input any thing and call it God's Will.

He has already Shown us or told us His Wills and this is not one of them.

sonmvayina:
God created evil as a tool for learning..

Now you rightly said evil and not Satan. They were formerly different things doing different things when God Created evil.

sonmvayina:
He created us human with the ability and capacity to make choices..

We were clearly told He Created Us All Good, therefore, the only choices we had to make was Only Good Choices, save only one, Not-good choice.

sonmvayina:
And what exactely are we to choose from?? Between good and evil.

YOU NOW KNOW that which is Good, to do if you like or that which is bad, to do if you like!

sonmvayina:
He gave us the Torah or laws to guide our choices.. To make better ones. And have a fruitful life.. At the end of it, the spirit will return to God who gave it and the body back to the earth from where it came..

You do not know that This is Another Great Kindness and Goodness of God in Giving us the Bible.

Did Noah and family, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, Joseph, Job (not an Isrealite) have the Bible or the Commandments with which they could use to please the Lord in their day? No, they did not.

In that same period, did God not Judge those who did Good from those who did bad or wicked without the Torah or Bible? He did.

So we are still without excuse, with or without the Torah or the Bible, We shall be judged for our doings whether it be Good or it be evil, for We Know the Difference Between Good and Wickedness.

So having the Bible is kindness, for God has just delivered unto us the Textbook we need to pass His Exams, if you want!

sonmvayina:
So whether 1 Jesus died or 1000 jesuses died it has not changed anything. We still need the laws to guide our actions and speach.. He was never needed either by God or man... He was created by the Romans to keep people busy and distracted.. While they plunder the land for resources..
Read Isaiah 45:7

Unlearn and relearn..

This part is not necessary for it is a completely a different issue remote to the issue in view
and your own personal propaganda, so I am not addressing it here.

sonmvayina:
Isaiah 45:7 says "I form the light and create darkness, I make peace and create evil, I the lord do all these things"..
Lamentation 3:38-39 says"from where those good and evil comes if not from the mouth of the lord"
Either God is lying or you don't understand anything.. You be the judge..

I thought you said that the Bible ends in Leviticus, implying that the other books of the Bible are false and irrelevant, thus you do not believe in the Truth of them, then why are you standing on Isaiah?

I will patronize you by answering you even though you do not believe in the other books of the Bible so that I could show you that I love answering any reasonable question you could throw without fear and I will never stoop to insults to make my point. So here I go.

Great you have said the words "Form" and "Create" which is Always outside the Person. Therefore A Creator is Always Distinct and Separate from His creation like iPhone is not Steve Jobs.

Another word you missed is "evil" not Satan.

What is the history of Satan in connection to evil? Where we not told that he was an angel, who was Cursed? Cursed with what? his acts shows his curse.

Which is why I said Satan is cursed or relegated to eat only evil, exactly for the purpose for which evil was created for.

For God and Good cannot touch evil (which is one of the meanings of Holiness) and evil can not touch Good (therefore the everlasting Law of Bonding is established, Good with Good and Evil with evil)

And Satan is not sitting down waiting for evil to come so that he can eat, therefore, unlike evil that will not move, exactly as God created it, Satan Moves to cook and stir up evil that he may eat.

And this is what happened.

So now I am going back to tear your own thinking to shreds while you can try and see if you can tear mine down.

You judge that!

sonmvayina:
Satan is just one small aspect of God. God is the totality of existence itself. Satan is not independent of God neither is he a dual opposite of God.. To think so is a big insult against God... He was created to accomplish God's purpose, and that is what he is doing.. Whatever happens, happened because God willed it to happen, not because devil did it.. God created evil as a tool for learning..He created us human with the ability and capacity to make choices.. And what exactely are we to choose from?? Between good and evil. He gave us the Torah or laws to guide our choices.. To make better ones. And have a fruitful life.. At the end of it, the spirit will return to God who gave it and the body back to the earth from where it came.. So whether 1 Jesus died or 1000 jesuses died it has not changed anything. We still need the laws to guide our actions and speach.. He was never needed either by God or man... He was created by the Romans to keep people busy and distracted.. While they plunder the land for resources..
Read Isaiah 45:7

Unlearn and relearn..

And when you do not know God nor understand his ways, you must make the above statement with your Unfounded propaganda which is still grounded on the Fact That You do not know the Most High God!

sonmvayina:
Satan is just one small aspect of God. God is the totality of existence itself. Satan is not independent of God neither is he a dual opposite of God.. To think so is a big insult against God... He was created to accomplish God's purpose, and that is what he is doing.. Whatever happens, happened because God willed it to happen, not because devil did it.. God created evil as a tool for learning..He created us human with the ability and capacity to make choices.. And what exactely are we to choose from?? Between good and evil. He gave us the Torah or laws to guide our choices.. To make better ones. And have a fruitful life.. At the end of it, the spirit will return to God who gave it and the body back to the earth from where it came.. So whether 1 Jesus died or 1000 jesuses died it has not changed anything. We still need the laws to guide our actions and speach.. He was never needed either by God or man... He was created by the Romans to keep people busy and distracted.. While they plunder the land for resources..
Read Isaiah 45:7

Unlearn and relearn..

If you Truly knew Who God is, you would know that Holy means Spotless (described in the Bible as Light, in Whom there is NO DARKNESS) meaning No Stain at all.

So for saying this,

sonmvayina:
Satan is just one small aspect of God. God is the totality of existence itself. Satan is not independent of God neither is he a dual opposite of God

you do not know God for you stain Him.

Which means you do not know (another {YDK} You don't know) "That a thing is Only Good, If, Every Element in it is Good; It Is Bad, if Only One Element, in this case, Satan as you say, it is Bad"

The Holy and Good that I know, has no atom of darknesss.

sonmvayina:
Satan is just one small aspect of God. God is the totality of existence itself. Satan is not independent of God neither is he a dual opposite of God.. To think so is a big insult against God... He was created to accomplish God's purpose, and that is what he is doing..
Read Isaiah 45:7

Unlearn and relearn..

I love Knowing and learning and I know when my Knowings is greater than another, which is what is going on here.

If you had a valid and solid case, you would never have to resort to insults and ridicule, because Knowledge, Elevates, of which you did not know that knowledge is Know-Ledge meaning Know and be Placed on a Ledge or Elevation.

Which is what I have over you and rather than learn and be increased you are rather attempting to reduce me, which I will never allow.

"An wicked man seeketh only rebellion; but he that hath knowledge, spareth his words and a man of Understanding is of an Excellent Spirit"

Kobojunkie:
Moral laws are definitely fluid, but when it comes to religion, you will find there are two different reasonings at play .

Culture has always redefined itself....it is built on ideas and moods of men which tend to be fluid. However, as concerns a belief in God, that is a whole nother story in and of itself. As that is dependent on the one who defined the belief and His desire to make those changes when He deems them fit.

For instance, 2000 years ago, through Jesus Christ, a New Covenant was established. The same contract define what is sin, and what is right for those who accept the contract. 2000 years later, I sit living my life according to those 2000 year old ideas of right and wrong. While cultural and moral laws has changed and will continue to all around me, I cling to what I believe and know to be True, the 2000 year-old agreement which I made with Jesus Christ stil.

The True Laws that Regulate all human affairs is Natural Law or Morality or Moral Laws as you say.

This is one of the Lies Propagated by Wicked People in Relegating the True Natural Law Issued by God Himself, king of this world, to mere conducts and practices of a certain type of people (Righteouse People) thereby deceiving them, so that they could present and promote their false laws as an alternative.

Elvis778:
Am not talking about the response to Good and bad, am talking about what we consider good and what we consider bad.....for example, in the old testament, and early in.the new testament, some certain animals were marked unclean and considered bad, you dare not make contact with these animals talkmore of eating them, they were bad omen...but today, these animals are a great deal of our diet and are considered good....also, impregnating a widowed sister in-law was seen as a necessity in other to continue the lineage especially if she has never put to bed....but today, it's a taboo, and considered bad.....bottom line is, what we consider good and bad has always been subject to change....

For man And by man, thing is good or bad because of Who Complains about it and is affected by it, subject to Flow and Direction the Spirit of God, which determines at that material point in time.

Hence, a thing may be Prohibited at one time and may be allowed at another.

But, there are many things which have been Prohibited since the beginning and they can never be Permissible eg Wickedness and evil things!

However, it is not the jurisdiction of any man to make any alteration or change or even determine that which is good or bad. No it is not, It is the Full Power of The Lord Most High, King of the World, To Determine these things!

Elvis778:
What is the definition off GOOD and BAD??
That's the p, my point is, the definition of GOOD and BAD changes with time.....our different cultures defines these terms for us, and our culture is subject to change.....in the old testament, the isreali ancient culture defined the two terms for them and from there they drafted their laws, and obeyed it,
right now, our present culture is redefining it and we can't stop the process cuz new matters and situations arises everyday,, of which our culture try to carry along, everyother thing is changing and u don't expect those definition not to change too.

No it does not!

The most simple test of Good and Bad beyond definition is simply, if they do that which is bad to you, would you smile about it happily or would you frown andcomplain bitterly?

Our True Responses to either of them have never changed and shall never change.

0temSapien:
Now what is that Mighty Highest Creator? Is it the one written in the bible?

He is Described in the Bible with many words, The Almighty, The Highest, The Most Holy, God, The Creator, The Beginning and the End!

twhy111:
The quote was not for you sorry. But I'd like to respond to the last line.

Nobody will stop him nor question him if he choose to.
And don't use that as a threat.

Why do people get uncomfortable when we begin to ask questions?

Religion and believe goes together I know, but you believe more when question raised are answered with fact.

I was not trying to threaten, I was merely attempting to exhibit the Full Range and Extent of God's Power and how Executable it can be.

I believe in the asking of question for I long since learnt a Proverb which says "he who asks questions, does not lose his way", most especially as I love traveling even to places I have never been before, and I have never lost my way!

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twhy111:
I'm glad you shared your input on the discussion, since we're on the same page that hell do exist, will do you do to answer some of the point I raised from onset?
If he loved us so much, why should hell exist?

Ow, you did not point out any error in my response.

But would it not be easier and wiser and profitable to obey Him rather than desire that He never Created such terrible places?

Have you considered that He Can Always Create those Terrible Places, if He did not create them before, at anytime, even after Judgement is given, in Exercise of His Rights? Can anyone stop Him? Or will anyone stop Him?

milkywaves:
Albert Einstein, Michal Faraday,Ford, name them did not record their achievements by praying..
There's an account in the bible, that says "faith without work is dead". inversely it means WORK is the action word, work without faith in God works.
This is the simple laws of nature or the universe.
God does not need us to pray to him/worship him in exchange for a blessing, we have been blessed right from birth, believe in yourself, develop, acquire the necessary skills and get to work, that's what we need as humans.

There's this book am currently reading, Why Nations Fail, the origins of power, prosperity and poverty, by Daron Acemoglu and co.
The book explains why some nations are richer than others, factors like inclusive institutions, work altitude, etc., are key reasons why and not religion.

Is it not written
"Ask and ye shall Receive!
Seek and ye shall find!
Knock and it shall be opened up to thee?

Do you see that the beginning of each phrase in this statement forms the work "Ask"?

All good things come from the Lord!

kkins25:
is it that difficult that the book of wisdom is practically referring to the Bible, which i presumed most people take as ultimate word of God. Why are you arguing with me when i only just paraphrased Jesus's teachings on LOVE being the ultimate Law.

Sorry, I was not certain it was the Bible you were referring.

Crossing swords with these wicked souls here makes me wary of unclear statements. I do apologize.

Our Lord Advocated Love as you said but we have the evil one and his children here with us, So Wisdom is also Strongly Advocated especially in these last days of Scoffers and Derailers and Perverters of Righteousness and Goodness.

Men, I hate these days, they are truly wicked times and I do not enjoy living with or among these wicked souls.

Minsk24:
Thought provoking question i ve asked here...
If all these are true, why haven't we heard any explanation from satan for all these years?
Satan Does Not Exist and even Church Of Satan Acknowledges This Fact... My People Wake UP

When a person is caught in the act of Committing a crime, the Crime is Proven Immediately and there is no need to hear from the criminal!

See, bad writing skills! You asked a question on one hand without waiting for the answer, you then conclude based on the unanswered question you asked, then you immediately promote your unanswered, untested Conclusion! Kai! Questionnaire, Concluder with no Answer and Promoter all Rolled into one.

A man of many callings indeed!

sonmvayina:
How do you distinguish God from Satan ?

Anu ofia

Okwute! I made the distinction and your response was to call me unwell! Now you are asking a question which I already answered.

Are in your lucid moments or out of it? Any way I do not care for the answer.

Minsk24:
Can you see how clueless and frightened you sound... I asked simple questions for people to ponder on and you are just here barking like ekuke

I fear Nothing and No One but The Highest and His Authorities Over me, the man. And Satan is not one of them.

My answer to your question was clear, that even though Wickedness and evil is seen and known, you must be null of knowledge to not know that Satan is the king of Wickedness and Counsellor of all evil, enough for you to wonder if he exists. Tueh!

Yeah, Wickedness does not exist, so Satan does not exist.

And this Answer is based on your Header!

You people and your bad writing habit

0temSapien:
Now this is somebody that doesn't know the actual meaning of a god. A god creates great things. The Wright Brothers are gods in the aspect of aircraft. Just as Messi and Ronaldo are football gods. Ogun is a god in the aspect of making iron and farming. They all did exploit during their times on earth. A god or goddess become known as such when you deify him or her. Jehovah your god was deified, that's exactly the reason why you see him as a god today. Do you know that Julius Ceaser was once deified and worshipped as a god in the past? Even you can be a deified god if you dare to do great things.

I get it! According to your thinking, every one or thing (or is a thing excluded?) which creates, is god. No problem, by your standard, even my last child is a god because she creates things. No Problem.

But I do not care about all these gods and godses, creations themselves.

No! I care About The Mighty Highest Creator, Whom, we call God, The Greatest and The Highest; The First of All and to Whom, there is No other.

And I care about All His High Officials And Entourage Greater than me, the man.

Georgekyrian:
I swear, but human beings dey shaa

Dem dey!

VLTA:
This is otematum right? You shall return to your christian roots

I think he is a brother in their fellowship

0temSapien:
This is not from any book. There is no such thing as holy book because the so-called holy books are filled with wars, slave trading, genocides and infanticides commanded by the founders of them. Rather, this is the BOOK OF TRUTH aka Book of Universal History(Doctufos), being revealed to humanity at this Age of Aquarius. You can follow this link to get the whole of the book.

Do you see the Contradiction?

"This is not from any book" at the beginning, then
"this is the BOOK OF..."

Georgekyrian:
This life shaa, is so funny.
Bro which holy scripture is this, which church or religious own it... Please tell me

He is one of the Uselu and Yaba-left cases in Nairaland.

donjazet:
You are an e-mbecile

He is a Lunar-tick

sonmvayina:
You are not well at all oh.. Ezeokwu

You are of unsound mind!

TimeTraveler369:
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Silly

What else would the son of Satan say!

TimeTraveler369:
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Silly

What else would the son of Satan say!

TimeTraveler369:
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Silly

What else would the son of Satan say!