Christianity Etc › Re: So Will I by Dtruthspeaker: 8:13am On Aug 12, 2020 |
delkuf: I don't if you guys have listened to this song so will I by Hillsong. This song is the best. If everything exist to lift you high, so will I. If the wind goes where you send it, so will I. As you speak, a hundred billions failures disappear. this is the best part, if you gave your life to love them, so will I. I love this song. My Song!  Then have you heard New Wine, King of Kings, Behold, Fire fall Down, Aftermath, Who you say I am, Mountain, Whole Heart and the one I drum till my hand burns, With Everything? And this is just a few I can mention aha, let me sneak in Touch of Heaven before I go.  |
Christianity Etc › Re: Let The Dead Bury Their Dead by Dtruthspeaker: 8:03am On Aug 12, 2020 |
Kiddo01: For many years now, I've read the account of Matthew 8 Vs 22 , but I seem not to grasp fully the meaning of Christ's words when he said :
"But Jesus told him, "Follow me, and let the dead bury their own dead"
I've been thinking, what did Jesus mean when he said the dead should bury their dead? Can dead bodies actually perform burial? I too pondered that statement for years until I saw the it means the same thing with "he who puts his hands on the wheel and looks back, is not for the Kingdom of God" It means, you were dead before without Christ, if you follow Christ, as the man said he shall in Truth, you will Live. But if you do not follow christ, you are still in your death. And if you followed Christ before then departed, you return to the death you once had before and "dwell with the congregation of the dead" Is it not the characteristics of the Living to see, hear, smell etc? A person who has eyes but seeth not, is he not dead? Or a person who has ears but heareth not? Are these not idols and do idols have Life? No, not one. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Yes It's Hard To Explain...But God's Still God And He's Never Made A Mistake by Dtruthspeaker: 3:30pm On Aug 11, 2020 |
LordReed: Since this question was asked on the front page it has resonated frequently in my mind. The question is how do you know god is not lying? Many Ways and One of Them We All Here are Witnesses To is 1) setting aside the history and journeys of Isreal, We Saw That He Had Already Said that He would scatter them, For a Time if they fail to serve and obey Him. Our generations did not witness the scattering BUT WE ARE WITNESSES TO THE RETURN AGAIN OF ISREAL TO IT'S LANDS IN 1967 EXACTLY AS GOD SAID HE SHALL DO.. AND NOT ONLY SHALL THEY RETURN THERE, BUT THAT THEY SHALL NEVER BE MOVED OUT! Jeremiah 30:10 10 "Therefore fear thou not, O my servant Jacob, saith the Lord; neither be dismayed, O Israel: for, lo, I will save thee from afar, and thy seed from the land of their captivity; and Jacob shall return, and shall be in rest, and be quiet, and none shall make him afraid.And since there return in 1967, they have never been removed, Exactly as it is Written, WHICH WE ALL HERE ARE THE VERY WITNESSES OF IT!
The Lord God Can not Lie, For He is The Mightiest and the Mightiest fear not harm that He Needs to Lie! When And If He Does Whatever He Pleases and Likes, Who shall Beat Him or Kill Him? Is there Any One? No, Not a One. It is weak people like you, who fear harm that Always have a need to Lie, not the Mightiest! LordReed: If he told you he is good, how do you know he is not lying? I have already established the Lying part therefore, I will show you only one Great example of His Goodness as different from you and I, which you and others like you presently enjoy. Ecclesiastes 8:11 " Because sentence against an evil work is not executed speedily, therefore the heart of the sons of men is fully set in them to do evil. Which one of you turneth aside when thy servant insults and mocks you? Or which one you shall drink beer with the man who defiled and desecrated thy wife? In any of these situations which one you shall tarry to act? No! Not One! LordReed: If he told you he can't make a mistake, how do you know he is not lying? The Chair can not tell the carpenter that He made a Mistake, Neither can Camry know whether Mr Toyoda made a mistake nor can iPhone, Steve Jobs. So also it is not possible for you to know whether your Maker and Creator made a mistake For No creation can Know beyond what its Creator has made it to know, and all that you know, is what your Creator has allowed you to know. No Creation can know upto it's Creator! |
Christianity Etc › Re: Yes It's Hard To Explain...But God's Still God And He's Never Made A Mistake by Dtruthspeaker: 2:13pm On Aug 11, 2020 |
GRIMMJOE: Saying something is real doesn't make it any real. The Ocean and the Sea is in Lagos but you are very capable of saying that it is Not Real as you wish to say. |
Romance › Re: What Do You Think Will Push You To Cheat? by Dtruthspeaker: 5:21pm On Aug 10, 2020 |
I really pray that you all realise that there are many many wicked things which attack a person forcing them to cheat, even when they do not wish to or want to especially AFTER MARRIAGE!
OR WHEN YOU MEET YOUR HELPMEET BEFORE MARRIAGE! |
Christianity Etc › Re: Who Is God The Father? by Dtruthspeaker: 4:16pm On Aug 10, 2020 |
orisa37: In the Book of Genesis we have the THREE specified:-
We have GOD exclusively in Heaven. He is The "Father of" meaning NATURE, of all CREATIONS Correction! God, The Holy Mighty And King Who Commands creation! orisa37: We have LORDGOD representing God's Movements from Heaven to the Earth in Spirit. Christians' call Him HOLY, not minding that He is in Control of Darkness, Evil and Death as well as Light, Goodness and Life. Correction! The Mighty's Son, The Word, Who Executes All His Father's Commands and THE LORD, God over Heaven and Earth. orisa37: Then we have THE LORD on Earth. He is The One who acts interacts and move on Earth representing God in Heaven. He is God The Son. Correction! The Spirit or Countenance of The Most High King, Moving Every Where weather Heaven or Earth. orisa37: "Christians' call Him HOLY, not minding that He is in Control of Darkness, Evil and Death as well as Light, Goodness and Life. He is Holy and Unblemishable! And being a Creator means He Controls or CAN CONTROL (meaning, He Sometimes leaves Control Or Discretion in the hands of his creations to see what they shall do) at His Holy and Good Pleasure, his creations at any time Of His Own Holy Choosing, in any place and manner or He may not even exercise His Right of Control at all. He can not be compelled and He shall not be compelled to Control His Creations at all times, in seasons or At Any Specific Time, most especially when the Idiot asking for such control is even the creation itself. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Who Is God The Father? by Dtruthspeaker: 12:16pm On Aug 10, 2020 |
bingbagbo: 1 John 3:1 Behold what manner of love the Father has bestowed on us, that we should be called children of God! [/b]Therefore the world does not know us, [b]because it did not know Him.
Fact that the verse above is talking about God the Father is incontrovertible. Well, from the verse, it is God the Father who makes us children of God.
Yet again, from the verse, The world did not know the Father.
John Chapter one throws more light on 1 John 3:1, we will all see who this Father is.
John 1:1,3-4,10-13 [1]In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. [3]All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. [4]In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. [10]He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. [11]He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him. [12]But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: [13]who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. The Word Becomes Flesh
As you have read from the text above, it is the word (Jesus) who made us the children of God. It is the word (Jesus) that the world didn't know in verse 10 as emphasised in 1 John 3:1.
Conclusion
Jesus Christ is the Father. It was the Father who is spirit that incarnated as man to bring man back to himself.
Jesus Christ is the Father.
Hallelujah Our Lord God, Whom we call Jesus Christ, is Not the Most High or The Highest! Look again! |
Christianity Etc › Re: What Does The Bible Say About Obedience? by Dtruthspeaker: 8:48am On Aug 10, 2020 |
MuttleyLaff: I already said that you lied, when I typed that you, stop lying, that, you did put what was not there, that you did remove and replace with, what wasn't originally there
You know enough to think you’re right, but not enough, to know you are wrong and are perpetuating lies
You remind me of reading the classic "The Vulture is a Patient Bird" novel by James Hadley Chase. incidentally, and by the very good grace of God, I am a patient person and so, I am capable of accepting and tolerating delays. Besides that, I dont upstage the Holy Spirit, and truthfully speaking, there isn't any need/want to show off. Just so you know, I disclose, only after the Holy Spirit has collared, arrested and convicted you, not before
No one can force anyone to understand a message that they are not yet ready to receive, but, hey, must never underestimate the power of planting a seed
Where did an idea of "... wasn't at war with you" come from. You've been misinformed, you've been miseducated and so your old ways, won't lead you to open new doors
I respect your, entitled to have, humble views, so much to the extent, I dont, myself have to shoot your forwarded superficial on-the-surface discovery banal views down.
It might interest you, to know that, petroleum oil isn't scooped on the surface, coal is picked on the ground surface, gold, diamonds and other precious gems aren't lifted off the ground surface, pearls are plucked from water surfaces. Just muse or thoughtfully think about all those listed discoveries for a moment and about the fact that the devil has no power ... except in the dark, a dark like that of Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13, but you dont want to yourself, ferret through, but you instead want me, to draw the picture for you.
You think too highly of yourself. I never called on you requiring any assistance or aid to establish your imagined defence of homosexuality. You selectively have chose to forget, it was you who reared your head, fishing for information, without realising that you wouldn't be able to stand when the heat gets hot and hotter
You aren't adequately biblical educated and mentally mature enough to grasp what is contained in Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13, hence your failure in not properly investigating, probing and examining Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13, closely and thoroughly enough, so that, with the help of the Spirit of Truth aka the Holy Spirit, you by now, could have already rightly divided, the word of God, with sound judgement, as regards what exactly, under the hood or bonnet, was going on, with Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13 and then on top, get to know, for sure, why and how these particular acts, behaviours, practices are to God "abominable" or "a detestable sin" or "an abomination" or "detestable act" or "detestable" or "disgusting" or "what God hates" et cetera.
Wtf, where's the faith. I haven't failed in planting a seed, threatening your accepted half baked interpretation of Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13.
Obviously, its you whose failed, to understand that many people like you, are not ready to be unplugged, because you are so accustomed to Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13 gross misinterpretation and hopelessly will fight to protect the illusions so not to have it destroyed. Some people, like you, who should be spiritually mature and ready to confront hard truth, aren't spiritually mature and aren't ready to confront the Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13 hard truths
Let me clarify, I am not on this thread to establish "it" Notice I was drawn into the limelight and never had any intent to establish "it". If you must know, I really dont give a toss however you and that mischief maker feels about "it". The choice to become aware, alert and/or enlightened, is your call, not and never mine. I am sure you've found out that, I would never disclose anything before you've got to worked out for yourself what Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13 is all about
It is our obligation to ourselves, to make certain that amidst misinterpretation of any manners, our knowledge is increased in accordance with absolute truth
You're a fast learner, of course, you're right that, I have nothing to give you, to trample upon
Your inability to activate your lateral thinking, proves, why you aren't a biblical detective and unable to investigate, find, probe and examine biblical evidence(s)
Sorry sweetheart? You made me raise my eyebrow there
Would you kindly, in exactly the same words as original were used by me, reproduce the question or request, I asked you and paste it here please?
It is true I've got gunpowder and loads of ammo, the sort suited for Armageddon, but what will be the point of wasting good ammo, ahead of time, hmm? Nah, the guns are safely tucked away in their holsters  I am thankful to have had a contention with you without it turning nasty. The crux of the matter is No One shall be guilty of an Offence, if there is no Law Prohibiting that Offence, which is not the case in homosexuality. In fact Chapter 18 is all about Abominations not just homosexuality as you implied But All of Them including verse 18 Are All Abominations to The Lord. Thus God (and not I) has answered your question why is verse 22 Prohibited. MuttleyLaff: I'll give you another opportunity, to now, state clearly and in detail, leaving no room for confusion, doubt or repeating "it is prohibited", why did God, The Law Giver, says it is prohibited? And The Lord God Clearly Answers You that it is Prohibited because, He Hates or Abhors (hence Abominations) Them All! Which is Seen in verses 24-29. 24 Defile not ye yourselves in Any of These Things[/b]: {Not One as you implied) for in all these the nations are defiled which I cast out before you:
25 [b]And the land is defiled: therefore I do visit the iniquity thereof upon it, and the land itself vomiteth out her inhabitants. 26 Ye shall therefore keep my statutes and my judgments, and shall not commit Any of These Abominations; {Not One as you implied) neither any of your own nation, nor any stranger that sojourneth among you: 27 For All These Abominations {Not One as you implied) have the men of the land done, which were before you, and the land is defiled; 28 That the land spue not you out also, when ye defile it, as it spued out the nations that were before you. 29 For whosoever shall commit Any of These abominations, {Not One as you implied) even the souls that commit them shall be cut off from among their people. And the Trespass or Offence or Sin Against Holiness is called "Defilement!" |
Christianity Etc › Re: What Does The Bible Say About Obedience? by Dtruthspeaker: 1:00pm On Aug 09, 2020 |
MuttleyLaff: Just admit you are out of your depth Dtruthspeaker
Stop lying, you did put what was not there, you did remove and replace with what wasn't originally there Would you miss an opportunity to Tell the Whole World that I Lie, if I Lie, when I Lie? Never! So, there you have it, there is No Lie! MuttleyLaff: I have left the door wide open and ajar, it is up to you with your own very eyes to see whats inside. I have shed light into Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13, it is up to you, to strain your eyes so to clearly see. You're a big grown son and moG, I am not going to spoon feed you.  Because there is Nothing there for if there was, you would not wait to disclose it, most especially being the Big Show Off that you are, You would never miss an opportunity to Show Off. And since you failed to show off, there is Nothing to Show Off. MuttleyLaff: You have strong strapping arms, use them to lift up the bonnet and dive in to look under Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13. Stop forwarding superficial on the surface discoveries  I wasn't at war with you, for I am not your Creator, Neither did I make the Laws Prohibiting Homosexuality and nor have I been appointed a judge over a homosexual. I was only simply Presenting my Own Views on Homosexuality to which I simply laid down the Laws Covering the subject (as you requested), Which You failed to shoot down. Rather you were calling on me to assist you and aid you to establish your Non-Existent defence of Homosexuality or (is it defence of a certain type of Homosexuality? I do not care for the answer), attempting to plead with much coaxings and cajolings and prodding so that there might be an exception in the Law Prohibiting Certain Types of Homosexuality, which is also Non-Existent. Thus, you failed in getting me to establish your case for homosexuality. And you failed yet again to so establish it. Therefore, the validity of homosexuality only exists in your own mind, which is of no use to anyone. MuttleyLaff: The bible, in Proverbs 25:2, states that: "It is the glory of God to conceal a matter; to search out a matter is the glory of kings" or "It is God’s privilege to conceal things and the king’s privilege to discover them" Roll up your sleeves, pull out your fingers and get to work. "Ise logun ise" loosely translated means "Work or study, cancels out knowledge poverty" You are not, at this point, in a position of getting anything from me, on a platter of gold. As soon as you earn that I privilege, of course, I'll ever oblige you doing so and more  Because you have Nothing to give. MuttleyLaff: That is not how it works José. You know that I requested for was, explicit command, and not implicit command, so quit playing games.
You merely are adding to what the bible hasn't explicitly said, trying to make it say what it didnt say, in short you are busy trying so hard to make fetch happen, proof-texting with bible verses. Sorry sweetheart,  you demanded for the Lawful Basis of My Belief in The Fear of the Word of the Lord, which could either be Expressly Stated or Impliedly Provided, so long as I am able to show any Written Statement or Commandment to That Effect as Provided in the Bible!  Now I expect your guns gonna go blazing!  |
Christianity Etc › Re: What Does The Bible Say About Obedience? by Dtruthspeaker: 11:15am On Aug 09, 2020 |
MuttleyLaff: You're deceiving yourself, not me. You are incapable of deceiving me. It is fascinating watching you wriggling all over the place.
Let me reel you back in position. I corrected you that you are only asked to fear God and not fear commands or laws of God, and this you clearly have problems accepting, so I then asked you, to provide bible verse(s) that explicitly commands that you FEAR God's law and/or commandment, but you've woefully failed at presenting any, only resorting to clutching at straws and continued with your proof-texting bible verses exercise. And I have supplied the Verses that Impliedly Command you to Fear not Only the Lord Himself but His Words Also and His Look too! |
Christianity Etc › Re: What Does The Bible Say About Obedience? by Dtruthspeaker: 11:12am On Aug 09, 2020 |
MuttleyLaff: Sigh and smh, you still havent got a clue, and this is why you are getting hung up on "... only one type of homosexuality ..."
This is like how HRH Oluwo of Iwo, says to Olori Chanel Chi: "You're part of the enemy" then when she asks "who's the enemy" he replies "them" and when Olori asks "who's them" HRH restates "the enemy," leaving no one any the wiser, of knowing the identity of "the enemy"
I'll give you another opportunity, to now, state clearly and in detail, leaving no room for confusion, doubt or repeating "it is prohibited", why did God, The Law Giver, says it is prohibited?
You just felt that derogation is a big grammatical word you could use, that even has no correlation or connection to what transpired in Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13.
Your obstinate problem makes you incapable of properly investigating, probing and examining Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13, closely and thoroughly, so that, with the help of the Spirit of Truth aka the Holy Spirit, you by now, could have already rightly divided, the word of God, with sound judgement, as regards what exactly, under the hood or bonnet, is going on, in Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13 and then on top, get to know, for sure, why and how this particular act, behaviour, practice is "abominable" or "it is a detestable sin" or "it is an abomination" or "it is a detestable act" or "that is detestable" or "It is disgusting" or "God hates that" et cetera.
You are just doing a poor attempt of beating around the bush and without exactly telling us what the specific problem is in Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13.
You havent done your best, you havent studied to show yourself approved to God, a workman that needs not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. All what you've been doing is guesstimates and waffling.  goading and coaxing at one time and being indignant at another will not move me. I have presented the Laws as Written and I will Never Put What is not there to it or Remove therefrom! I have asked you, who.sees, what you see, to present that which you claim to see and you have not done so. Are you ever going to do so? |
Christianity Etc › Re: What Does The Bible Say About Obedience? by Dtruthspeaker: 10:36am On Aug 09, 2020*. Modified: 10:55am On Aug 09, 2020 |
MuttleyLaff: Has it, out of desperation, now come to you doing this ni, hmm? Do you really have to resort to deceit and proof-texting, erhn?
I'll repeat the question again, so that you dont miss the opportunity to correctly answer it. Give me one scripture that explicitly commands that you FEAR God's law and/or commandment. There is nothing to be agitated about so I am not desperate neither do I deceive you! All My answers from the first is to the effect that When you Fear the Lord, You Must Surely Fear His Word for the Lord is not without His Word and the Word is not without His Lord. The Lord and His Word are One. The Fear of the Lord as it is Written is the Fear of the Word of the Lord! On that explicitly[/u] commands that you FEAR God's law and/or commandment[/b] Proverbs 20 "A king that sitteth in the throne of judgment scattereth away all evil with his eyes."- Even the Look of the Lord is Fear-Full (or would you say that the Lord is not king?) Jeremiah 23:29 Is not my word like as a fire? saith the Lord; and like a hammer that breaketh the rock in pieces? (Abi you no dey fear fire or Hammer?) |
Christianity Etc › Re: What Does The Bible Say About Obedience? by Dtruthspeaker: 8:50am On Aug 09, 2020 |
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Christianity Etc › Re: What Does The Bible Say About Obedience? by Dtruthspeaker: 8:36am On Aug 09, 2020 |
] MuttleyLaff: Until you do a 2 Timothy 2:15 on Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13, all the above that you've typed is unnecessary and irrelevant. You can see how your lack of depth and full knowledge of Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13 is betraying you to the extent of you being confused.
Let me ask you this. Are there types of heterosexualism, hmm? If your answer is no, then why asking about types of homosexuality then, erhn?
When people start to employ all sorts of accusations, like "... attempting to amend God's Laws" or typing "respectfully, you would be wrongly using Miischief Rule which is already Clearly Prohibited by the The Law Giver in interpreting the clear provisions of the Commandments, to input what is not there" it is because the light of the truth can be harsh to the eyes of them that for so long, have been in the dark.
It is your choice, to wallow in ignorance and not know what and why Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13 clearly, directly, expressly forbids and prohibits man lying with man as with a woman. Notice that, unlike you, I had no need nor want, to add or change, what Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13 says. Good it is settled then that there is only one type of homosexuality which is banned, therefore, is your question why is it Prohibited? Then my answer shall be, it is Prohibited because 1) God, The Law Giver, says it is Prohibited! 2) it is a derogation from the Natural Law Established by God from the beginning which is man with woman. 3) it is a Departure from the Principles and Tenets of Holiness, Purity and Rightness which the Lord, God Commands. If you have any other reason apart from these, it is now your turn to present it. |
Christianity Etc › Re: What Does The Bible Say About Obedience? by Dtruthspeaker: 6:12am On Aug 09, 2020 |
MuttleyLaff: You fear only God, and not law(s). God has not given believers the spirit of fear, but of power, love and a sound mind for understanding I Do Fear God and Everything That is God's including His Laws! After these, I fear Nothing! |
Christianity Etc › Re: What Does The Bible Say About Obedience? by Dtruthspeaker: 5:58am On Aug 09, 2020 |
MuttleyLaff: Adultery is about infidelity, and it happens in heterosexual and homosexual relationships, so why is this particular form of homosexuals mentioned in Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13 worse, hmm?
You fear only God, and not law(s). God has not given believers the spirit of fear, but of power, love and a sound mind for understanding. You havent understood the law concerning Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13, this has made you develop the fear of the unknown "this particular form of homosexuals" Are there types of homosexuality? It is unknown to me. I only know homosex to be sex between the male and the male or between the female and the female without variation and they are both Prohibited. Heterosex is the permissible sex subject to Another Set of Laws. You shall attempting to amend God's Laws by addition, which you do not have the power to do in violation of the Commandment which provides "Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you"-(The Literal Rule of Interpretation of the Commandments) Then by the Literal Interpretation of the Commandments, it is clear that sex of any kind that is not between the male and the female Is Expressly Forbidden. Respectfully, you would be wrongly using Miischief Rule which is already Clearly Prohibited by the The Law Giver in interpreting the clear provisions of the Commandments, to input what is not there. I also do not think you have averted your mind to another Law covering the same subject matter to wit 1) Consecrate yourselves and be Clean: Ye are a Holy People of A Holy God. The central theme being Holy which Always Means Pure. And what is the Pure state of the Man According to the Lord God, the Creator of man? The Answer is 2) "He made them male and female" not male and male or female and female, but "male and female made He them". Thus, nothing can be rightfully deduced from Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13, which Clearly, Directly and Expressly Forbids and Prohibits homosexuality without exception. |
Christianity Etc › Re: What Does The Bible Say About Obedience? by Dtruthspeaker: 10:03pm On Aug 08, 2020 |
MuttleyLaff: To God be the glory
[img]https://s5/images/LetsHearThis.gif[/img] I am all ears Dtruthspeaker, you have my undivided attention.
"Therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, clothe yourselves with hearts of compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness, and patience." - Colossians 3:12
"Do nothing out of selfish ambition or empty pride, but in humility consider others more important than yourselves" - Philippians 2:3
Dtruthspeaker, you see brother, the common denominator among Psalm 138:6, Proverbs 3:34, Proverbs 29:23, Matthew 23:12, Luke 1:52, Luke 14:11, James 4:6 and 1 Peter 5:5, is that God exalts the humble. God opposes the proud, the likes who have shown their faces on this thread but gives grace to the humble. I just need to put it out there, that I thank God for the humility, you've consistently displayed not just on this thread but also noticed upandan the Religion forum.
I appreciate your beautiful breakdown above concerning the three categories of Laws which the Commandments fall into, but I was expecting that by now, you would have already investigated, probed and examined Leviticus 18:22, closely and thoroughly, so that, with the help of the Spirit of Truth aka the Holy Spirit, you by now, would have already rightly divided, the word of God, with sound judgement, as regards what exactly, under the hood or bonnet, is going on, in Leviticus 18:22 and then on top, got to know why and how this particular act, behaviour, practice is "abominable" or "it is a detestable sin" or "it is an abomination" or "it is a detestable act" or "that is detestable" or "It is disgusting" or "God hates that" et cetera.
What specifically, is it that is abominable in Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13. What is it and why is it abominable. There is another verse that throws more light on what the act is, but I'll leave it for the Holy Spirit to guide and reveal it to you.
I appreciate your honesty, sincerity and straightforwardness. Please allow me to drop that from a Hebrew/Jewish POV, sin, in a simplest and purest form, means missing the mark. It is like, shooting an arrow, at archery target rings but miss hitting the centred inner bulls-eye ring.
A&E, missed the mark in the garden of Eden and so at the last hour, sinned and consequently failed to achieve a result that was intended. "For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, saith the LORD, thoughts of peace, and not of evil, to give you an expected end", so says God, in Jeremiah 29:11, but we aren't talking of A&E here, we are dealing with the Israelites and their arrival on the land of Canaan, the Promised Land of inheritance, the land flowing with milk and honey and we specifically, are talking of both Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13.
Please again I warn to let us not get ahead of ourselves, but to limit ourselves to the context and confines of Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13, otherwise, we will fall victim to doing an eisegesis of them two verses, namely Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13.
I'll give you time to go find out what you'll be able to uncover and know more about concerning Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13 Truthfully I can not see past The Laws and that that statement "it is an abomination" just makes it even worse. In my view it is like Adultery is Bad but Homosexuality is Worse based on How God called it "abominable" Twice, I fear the Laws so much so that I do not wish to enquire why a Worse Law is worse! To me it is like going to NEPA Power Station to enquire how and why the Power Station is dangerous while for me I am satisfied with just knowing the road to the Power Station so that I avoid them both. |
Christianity Etc › Re: What Does The Bible Say About Obedience? by Dtruthspeaker: 6:10pm On Aug 08, 2020 |
MuttleyLaff: Dtruthspeaker, affirmative, bullseye. Of course, you're absolutely right to think that, what is very necessary, for an adherent, apologist, disciple and strong enthusiast influenced by 2 Timothy 2:15, to take cognisance of, is the phrase "it is an abomination" of which, some bible versions, translate this original same phrase with descriptions like: "it is a detestable sin" or "it is an abomination" or "it is a detestable act" or "that is detestable" or "It is disgusting" or "God hates that" et cetera
Without trying to overstretch the word of God, can we please, just limit ourselves, to at what God specifically used "abominable" for, hmm? You do know what would happen when an initially stretched rubber band, held in front of your face and pulled, is suddenly released at one end, hmm? God intentionally and deliberately, in the whole of Leviticus 18, only used "abominable" for Leviticus 18:22.
Now, as a very good student of 2 Timothy 2:15, which I very much hope you truly are, reasonably, I would expect you to investigate, probe and examine Leviticus 18:22, closely and thoroughly, so that, with the help of the Spirit of Truth aka the Holy Spirit, you rightly divide, the word of God, with sound judgement, as regards what exactly, under the hood or bonnet, is going on, in Leviticus 18:22 and then further get to know why and how this particular act, behaviour, practice is "abominable" or "it is a detestable sin" or "it is an abomination" or "it is a detestable act" or "that is detestable" or "It is disgusting" or "God hates that" et cetera
I apologise in advance, if for highlighting Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13, I come across as a broken record but I am certain you know that Leviticus 20 is a mirror image of Leviticus 18, and so, that Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13 are identical twins, joined at the hip, with the word "abomination," specifically mentioned about them but not for the other verses
The difference between you and I, is, you think, but I know. I know the subject matter I am discussing here. I know that Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13 is not talking of an ordinarily blanket ban. You also can see that God was specific of the gender here, meaning He didn't talk of a female version of the act.
You see Dtruthspeaker, God is not an author of confusion. God, specifically makes know what gives Him, a sense of disgust and/or feeling of intense dislike. Now, you really need to strap on the whole armour of 2 Timothy 2:15 to dissect Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13, in order for you, to, in the real sense of the think word, think otherwise an/or differently  I do love how you write! Now let me share more of what I am absolutely certain of. First, it is Settled (I sure do hope so) that Exodus/Leviticus refers to the Lord's Commandments or Laws. Being Laws, there are 3 categories of Laws which the Commandments fall into in here, being; 1) Prohibitive Laws (Must Never be Done) eg "Thou shalt not lie carnally with thy neighbour's wife", 2) Instructive Laws (ye shall keep my statutes) and 3) Permissive Laws (and if ye offer a sacrifice of Peace offerings unto the Lord, ye shall offer it at your own will). Now, the Provision in Leviticus 18:22 falls into Prohibitive Laws and the word "it is an abomination" reasonably shows the great hatred for the doing of that specific act thereby increasing the Severity of its Prohibition! This is my humble submission For, permit me to share another thing I uncovered and I now know. Based on the Commandments, we know that which is sin. Now, what is sin? The short cut answer is Sin refers to "that which offends", therefore, "offence". Offence refers to "that which grieves a person". How do Offences occur? Christ supplied the Answer, to wit- "Trespass" What is Trespass? Trespass refers to Any Breach , Infringement, violation or interference of the Natural Rights of Another Person. Therefore, Sin = Offences = Trespass! Therefore, where there is a Trespass, Some One Must be Complaining about it. Therefore, by the Commandments, God is already telling us before hand what matters He is going to complain about and which He shall carry out any action He deems fit to remedy the Wrong or Sin or Offence or Trespass! Upon the Law "Where there is a Wrong, there Must Be A Remedy" And remember, even our "bodies" are not "Solely" ours, so as we say in Law, God has an Equitable Interest or He is a Co-owner of Us hence Joint Ownership! Which means when we use ourselves, in a manner inconsistent with His Rights, He Must Complain and He can maintain an action against us for Wrongful use and Trespass of our "bodies". My humble submission!  |
Christianity Etc › Re: Contradictions In Gospel Accounts Of Jesus' Tomb by Dtruthspeaker: 4:02pm On Aug 08, 2020 |
AntiChristian: There is a clear difference between dawn and sunrise!
The holy spirit could have been more scientific! There is a difference between dawn and sunrise?  I evacuate! You appear reasonable but you are surely twisted! |
Christianity Etc › Re: Contradictions In Gospel Accounts Of Jesus' Tomb by Dtruthspeaker: 2:02pm On Aug 08, 2020 |
AntiChristian: That analogy aint applicable here!
When Did the Women Visit the Tomb? Whoever visited and however many there were, it’s also not clear when they arrived. Mark 16:2—They arrive after sunrise Matthew 28:1—They arrive at about dawn Luke 24:1—It is early dawn when they arrive John 20:1— It is dark when they arrive Is sunrise not dawn? Is early dawn not dawn? When it is dawn is it not also dark? You just want to find fault where none exist!! |
Car Talk › Re: Help A First Time Car User Decide Between These Suvs by Dtruthspeaker: 1:03pm On Aug 08, 2020 |
valarinz: Which S80 model did they tell you 20k for one pointer light, 2018 model?
From 07 above doesn't use separate pointer lights, they're attached to the Headlamp from then, so it's obvious your car was 06 below... 20k from mechanic? That's na obvious exaggeration, no kazeem go do baranda reach that level It is the separate one and was shockedr that the only place where we could get the trafficators was in Doyin. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus: Contradictions In Resurrection And Ascension by Dtruthspeaker: 11:39am On Aug 08, 2020 |
sagenaija: You're so quick to respond. I guess you didn't even bother to check the meaning of contradiction.
You posted the matter. Not me. Who is giving "an orange and a Mango" and which is the third who "said it was two grapes and one water melon"?
If you have no direct answer it simply means that you just posted another man's article without even understanding it.
You're the one claiming contradictions. Show us how. Instead you're asking for it to be debunked. Have you even bothered to read the posts responding to the claims?
You made the above highlighted statement. Show us what you mean, but you can't. Instead you now want to run for cover. I think this guy is living up to his Monika which is to be Antichrist by stirring up what he Imagines are flaws in the Bible. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Contradictions In Gospel Accounts Of Jesus' Tomb by Dtruthspeaker: 11:36am On Aug 08, 2020 |
AntiChristian: By Austin Cline
Jesus’ burial is important because, without it, there can be no tomb from which Jesus can arise in three days. It’s also historically implausible: crucifixion was intended as a shameful, horrible execution which included allowing the bodies to remain nailed up until they rotted off. It’s inconceivable that Pilate would have agreed to turn the body over to anyone for any reason. This may have something to do with why the gospel authors all have different stories about it.
How Long Was Jesus in the Tomb? Jesus is portrayed as being dead and in the tomb for a given length time, but how long? Mark 10:34—Jesus says he will “rise again” after “three days.” Matthew 12:40—Jesus says he will be in the earth “three days and three nights...”
No resurrection narrative describes Jesus as being in a tomb for three full days, or for three days and three nights.
Guarding the Tomb Would the Romans have guarded Jesus’ tomb? The gospels disagree on what happened. Matthew 27:62-66—A guard is stationed outside the tomb the day after Jesus’ burial Mark, Luke, John—No guard is mentioned. In Mark and Luke, the women who approach the tomb do not appear to expect to see any guards
Jesus Is Anointed Before Burial It was tradition to anoint a person’s body after they died. Who anointed Jesus and when? Mark 16:1-3, Luke 23:55-56—A group of women who were at Jesus’ burial come back later to anoint his body Matthew—Joseph wraps the body, and the women come the next morning, but no mention is made of anointing Jesus John 19:39-40—Joseph of Arimathea anoints Jesus’ body before burial
Who Visited Jesus’ Tomb? The women visiting Jesus’ tomb is central to the resurrection story, but who visited? Mark 16:1—Three women visit Jesus’ tomb: Mary Magdalene, a second Mary, and Salome Matthew 28:1—Two women visit Jesus’ tomb: Mary Magdalene and another Mary Luke 24:10—At least five women visit Jesus’ tomb: Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, Joanna, and “other women.” John 20:1—One woman visits Jesus’ tomb: Mary Magdalene. She later fetches Peter and another disciple
When Did the Women Visit the Tomb? Whoever visited and however many there were, it’s also not clear when they arrived. Mark 16:2—They arrive after sunrise Matthew 28:1—They arrive at about dawn Luke 24:1—It is early dawn when they arrive John 20:1— It is dark when they arrive
What Was the Tomb Like? It’s not clear what the women saw when they arrived at the tomb. Mark 16:4, Luke 24:2, John 20:1—The stone in front of Jesus’ tomb had been rolled away Matthew 28:1-2—The stone in front of Jesus’ tomb was still in place and would be rolled away later
Who Greets the Women? The women aren’t alone for long, but it’s not clear who greets them. Mark 16:5—The women enter the tomb and meet one young man in there Matthew 28:2—An angel arrives during an earthquake and rolls the stone away, and sits on it outside. Pilate’s guards are also there Luke 24:2-4—The women enter the tomb, and two men suddenly appear — it’s not clear if they are inside or outside John 20:12—The women do not enter the tomb, but there are two angels sitting inside
What Do the Women Do? Whatever happened, it must have been pretty amazing. The gospels are inconsistent in how the women react, though. Mark 16:8—The women keep quiet, despite being told to spread the word Matthew 28:8—The women go tell the disciples Luke 24:9—The women tell “the eleven and to all the rest.” John 20:10-11— Mary stays to cry while the two disciples just go home
https://www.learnreligions.com/contradictions-in-gospel-accounts-of-jesus-tomb-250141
CodeTemplar, Sagenaija,
This should strictly be biblical. Another one?  What is inconsistent here? Have you not learnt the teachings of a cup is half full or half empty or half, whichever way it can be viewed? |
Christianity Etc › Re: What Does The Bible Say About Obedience? by Dtruthspeaker: 11:24am On Aug 08, 2020 |
MuttleyLaff: Respect begets respect. Dtruthspeaker respectfully, thoughtfully and closely looking at Leviticus 18 and this including Leviticus 18:22, God gives reasons for each of those various kinds of sexual liaisons, whether done openly or secretively, like, Judah and Tamar, king David and Bathsheba et cetera, why He doesnt endorse them. Now it will interest you to know, from reading Leviticus 18:22, that God, actually gave a specific reason why He was against the particular type of same sex liaison. Is that not so, Dtruthspeaker, hmm, that God gave the reason for objecting to it? I am sure you would have noticed for a very good reason, why Leviticus 18:22 was specific of the gender here (i.e. it didnt talk of a female version practised) The word I think you are bringing to my attention is, "it is an abomination". Then, I would reasonably ask that would you say any other Prohibition without the words, is not abominable? Because I think otherwise. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus: Contradictions In Resurrection And Ascension by Dtruthspeaker: 11:17am On Aug 08, 2020 |
AntiChristian: What's all this rigmarole? Please if you have nothing tangible to offer in defense of the OP stop my mentions! I have already offered the explanation and you got it. The accounts are based on the personal view the writer held at the material time exactly as when witnesses to an accident Never give the same story to that same accident. Their story is always based on their personal preferences on the view of the accident. |
Christianity Etc › Re: What Does The Bible Say About Obedience? by Dtruthspeaker: 8:43am On Aug 08, 2020 |
MuttleyLaff: Exactly my POV too, so Dtruthspeaker whats your understanding of the purpose and intent of Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13? You can throw in the "why" Respectfully, Looking Closely at the activities covered in Leviticus 18, one comes to the conclusion that it is the Law Prohibiting the various kinds of sexual activities implemented or capable of being implemented by the Male Man and Verse 22 is the Law Prohibiting Sex between 2 males. Leviticus 20 is a continuation of the Prohibition of further Sexual activities including the Prohibition of sex between man and man whether he be a sojourning stranger or an Isrealite. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus: Contradictions In Resurrection And Ascension by Dtruthspeaker: 3:55am On Aug 08, 2020 |
AntiChristian: Should one's salvation be based on Transactional reports, like a Burst of Pictures, reported independently like this?
If you were in a burning house, would you care how you were saved but the fact that you have been saved and thereafter, with thankfulness (if you are not like the isrealites) you can ask He who saved you how He did it? Whichever way you answer, it is your choosing but I am content to know exactly what He who desires Live, shall do! |
Car Talk › Re: Help A First Time Car User Decide Between These Suvs by Dtruthspeaker: 7:00pm On Aug 07, 2020 |
valarinz: Proud one at that, what do you stand for?
Anywhere the wind crowd blows?
 When you say Volvo I remember my S80 when my mechanic was running from the boys in black ( to what he said) one trafficator ran away which when I wanted to replace it, they told me N20k for one that was around 2008/09 I think Then the only key got lost. Meen! I loved the car but eh...! |
Car Talk › Re: Help A First Time Car User Decide Between These Suvs by Dtruthspeaker: 6:58pm On Aug 07, 2020 |
mh53: The mdx can stand the most abuse here but it’s a bit thirsty in stop and go traffic, the volvo only makes sense if you have a good technician that can handle it. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Ways To Walk In The Spirit by Dtruthspeaker: 2:58pm On Aug 07, 2020 |
illicit: so what did we do for God this time? Everything you should not do to anyone. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Is President Emmanuel Macron The Antichrist? by Dtruthspeaker: 1:34pm On Aug 07, 2020 |
China is last kingdom According to Daniel's Vision so I think the Chinese Dictator/President is the Antichrists.
By his fruits ye shall know him. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus: Contradictions In Resurrection And Ascension by Dtruthspeaker: 1:30pm On Aug 07, 2020 |
AntiChristian: By Austin Cline
Christians point to Jesus’ resurrection as one of the things which distinguish Christianity from all other religions. After all, the founders of other religions (like Muhammad salallahu 'alayhi wa salam and Buddha) are all dead; Jesus conquered death. Or did he? For something so important and central to the message, theology, and very nature of Christianity, it’s curious that the gospel authors would all have such radically different stories about what happened.
Jesus’ First Resurrection Appearance The resurrection of someone dead is an important event, but the Gospels don’t seem to know where and when Jesus first appeared. Mark 16:14-15 - Jesus appears to Mary Magdalena, but it’s not clear where (in older endings of Mark, he didn’t appear at all) Matthew 28:8-9 - Jesus first appears near his tomb Luke 24:13-15 - Jesus first appears near Emmaus, several miles from Jerusalem John 20:13-14 - Jesus first appears at his tomb
Who Sees Jesus First? Mark - Jesus appears first to Mary Magdalena then later to “the eleven” Matthew - Jesus appears first to Mary Magdalena, then to the other Mary, and finally to ”the eleven” Luke - Jesus appears first to “two,” then to Simon, then to “the eleven” John - Jesus appears first to Mary Magdalena, then the disciples without Thomas, then the disciples with Thomas
Women’s Reactions to the Empty Tomb The gospels agree that the empty tomb was found by women (though not which women), but what did the women do? Mark 16:8 - The women were amazed and afraid, so they kept quiet Matthew 28:6-8 - The women ran away “with great joy.” Luke 24:9-12 - The women left the tomb and told the disciples John 20:1-2 - Mary told the disciples that the body had been stolen
Jesus’ Behavior After His Resurrection If someone rises from the dead, his actions should be significant, but the gospels don’t agree on how Jesus first behaved Mark 16:14-15 - Jesus commissions “the eleven” to preach the gospel Matthew 28:9 - Jesus lets Mary Magdalene and another Mary hold his feet John 20:17 - Jesus forbids Mary to touch him because he hasn’t ascended to heaven yet, but a week later he lets Thomas touch him anyway
Doubting Jesus’ Resurrection If Jesus rose from the dead, how did his disciples take the news? Mark 16:11, Luke 24:11 - Everyone doubts and is scared or both at first, but eventually they go along with it Matthew 28:16 - Some doubt, but most believe John 20:24-28 - Everyone believes but Thomas, whose doubts are eliminated when he gets physical proof
Jesus Ascends to Heaven It wasn’t enough that Jesus rises from the dead; he also had to ascend to heaven. But where, when, and how did this happen? Mark 16:14-19 - Jesus ascends while he and his disciples are seated at a table in or near Jerusalem Matthew 28:16-20 - Jesus’ ascension isn’t mentioned at all, but Matthew ends at a mountain in Galilee Luke 24:50-51- Jesus ascends outside, after dinner, and at Bethany and on the same day as the resurrection John - Nothing about Jesus’ ascension is mentioned Acts 1:9-12 - Jesus ascends at least 40 days after his resurrection, at Mt. Olivet.
https://www.learnreligions.com/jesus-resurrection-and-ascension-contradictions-250145
Codetemplar, Sagenaija
Strictly Biblical! Surely, this guy is an escapee from Uselu! Otherwise he would have known that the Reports is Transactional, like a Burst of Pictures, reported independently! |