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gensteejay:
According to Otem, every being/entity with a soul is a god, just like all entities worshipped in religions are.

If you bow to your elders at home, are you worshipping them?

Otem says he's greater than your gods in religion. Only those gods can prove him wrong, and so far they've done nothing to do so.

For instance, Messi is one of the greatest players in human history. Based on Otemic philosophy, he's a god of football.

When his fellow footballers praise and bow to him, that doesn't mean they're worshipping him.

Only the foolish ones among them will worship a human like them. But Messi is a greater god than most of the other footballers, hence he's revered (not worshipped) by them.

Otem says he's greater than Allah, Jehovah and co. Only those beings can prove him wrong, not their worshippers.

FYI, the history book he's compiling is 100 times far greater than both the Bible and Qur'an combined.

That's a simple truth from someone that knows both the Bible and Qur'an very well.

No matter how great a book is, whether it's religious texts, historical books, scientific books, etc., it can only touch a handfuk of aspects of the universe (more like a drop of water in an ocean).

See, you are a follower Otematumism, quoting Chapters of the books written by Otem.

I have no problem with you, for you are exercising your natural power and right and I do not query your decision to follow Otem, I do not care.

But I do care that you wickedly called me a liar even in the face of proof, but there is no one to judge us, so, I'll endure it and move on along.

But it is You and the people who you represent, who started with the insults and drew first blood without due provocation.

OtemAtum:
And what does this have to do with gensteejay?

He called me a liar and that I should bring the proofs that you are a god or some sort of god deserving to be worshipped, so I am bringing all of the relevant ones I can find.

"Who Exactly Am I? by OtemAtum: 6:04pm On Apr 09, 2019
Many christians have wondered what strength has been keeping me going for the past 2 years since I've discovered their god Yahweh to be one of the creatures of God Almighty and not God Almighty itself. Among them were Jesusjnr, Tatime, Primesky, Originalkalokalo, etc to mention but a few.
May I make it clear to the Christians that I am not sent to kill your god Yahweh, rather, I am sent to declare his imprisonment and make them know that Yahweh has no power over anyone on earth."

Gensteejay here is More!

"The Authority Of Otem Over Yahweh And Allah by OtemAtum: 8:03pm On Oct 09, 2018
Dibnim 2:1-10


1. A million gods, both physical and spiritual may contend against me, I always will win.
2. They apply psychology and physical strength to defeat me, yet I kick them aside."

gensteejay:
When you say things without a proof, you deserve the insult.

Ah! Okay, take this one

"Yahweh And Allah Must Bow At The Mention Of My Name OTEM!!! by OtemAtum: 4:11pm On Oct 08, 2018
Yes, they must bow! I Otem, the destroyer of the philosophies of Yahweh and Allah have come with Authority to remove the deceptions of these evil gods from the face of the world."

gensteejay:
You must resort to lies like your god, Jehovah, one of the chief liars on the planet.

Post proofs or links to any of your claims up there. If not, you must change your moniker to Dliespeaker because that's what you're.

When did I make a claim here?

gensteejay:
Is the trash above the proof of your claims above, Dliespeaker?

Proof of what? And when did I make a Claim on anything?

And see, today it is you people who started the insult.

OtemAtum:

That means Saturday would have been very bloody globally assuming humans didn't later become wiser that Jehovah. Lol

One Particular Day, would have been very Bloody and every other soul who does not wish to die, would have seen reason to comply, till the next set of Disobedient children rise up and the Consequence Shall Be Repeated, yet again and again and again and again.

gensteejay:
I'm sure no one will try the trash you wrote up there and get away with it in this day and age.

Even little kids all around would know capital punishment for such a harmless action is senseless, let alone Yahweh, a so-called all-knowing god but with nothing really upstairs.

Anyone that acts based on the archaic and draconian laws of Jehovah in the Bible is a terrorist that deserves backlash and stiff punishment.

No wonder people keep becoming irreligious and atheistic these days having shattered the chains of mental slavery of religions, especialy violent ones like Christianity and Islam.

Yep, lucky for them, the other children too were themselves Disobeying their Maker and because their Maker has Gone Deathly Silent, which they do not see, they have successfully taught every other child to be Disobedient as they are, which
has now, today, turned to the fact there are too few Obedient children who can carry out the Law and too many Disobedient children doing whatever they like, Now Therefore, it is Now Only Our Maker and Owner of this House Called the Earth, Who Can Come and Enforce His Own Laws!

gensteejay:
You're merely making a fool of yourself by saying silly things.

Don't think everyone is foolish like you by choosing to worshipping a human or a deity. I don't worship any god/God and don't pray to anyone.

Read my signature and personal text and have some sense.

Nothing to quarel about, it is your natural right to do whatever you like, but we have seen that whatever a person does, a response in reply is not out of place.

And well Otem has clearly said that he would like to have some worshipers or at least worshipers of him, would be welcomed.

Hence, he has just launched and open a New Nairaland Religion called Otematumism or Otemism or Atumism

OtemAtum:
That means it is good to kill people who work on the so called holy day too, isn't it?

Yes, I Say, Yes Again I Say, and for jara, I say, Yes Again!

Any One Who Does Not Obey The Law of His Maker, Is An Applicant, Applying for Wrath of his Maker to Be Visited Upon Him and whatever his Maker Commands Should Be Done To him, That Shall Be Done to him!

gensteejay:
If Jehovah, Allah, or any of these gods can actually talk from wherever they're that they're not in a cage as Otem says, the claim of OP would have been wrong.

But none of those gods can. And humans that believe in and worship these gods are the ones doing the talking.

These are the possibilities:

1. Otem is saying the truth
2. Those gods don't exist anywhere in the universe at all
3. They exist but in other planes of the universe but are not omnipresent (or omni anything), so they're not aware of the thousands of curses and insults humans that don't worship them utter against them daily.

More evidence seems to be in support of the first case. None of Jehovah, Allah, and the other gods of religions have been able to stop OP from compiling the book of histories of religions he's been working on for 4 years now.

He started the compilation of the book in 2016, and it has already reached a huge volume. And he's still working on other volumes.

If you feel it's necessary, you can get a copy of the book (the 2018 edition) and see things for yourself.

As far as I'm concerned, all religions are tools of mind control. It's all political, nothing about salvation.

Even if a person learns some mysteries of the universe and forms a new religion (or cult) around them, a wise person doesn't indulge in such a religion.

Doing so will limit a person's development, both physically and spiritually (mentally).

So, one needs to read wide and approach things with an open mind.

There are some elements of truths in every religion but the trash in each one of the religions pales in comparison with the truths in it.

In other words, the bulk of the content of any religious text (be it the Bible, Qur'an, etc.) has no real importance.

Oh! So you are a worshiper of Otematum? Interesting, yet you support him when he says you should irreligion.

And yet, you are devout to him and worship him, hence you have become an Otematumian and your Religion is Otematumism

OtemAtum:
In all your sayings, you didn't answer this simple question and I will ask again:

Is it good or bad to work on Saturday?
Pls say yes or no.

Are not referring to the Law of the Holy Days called the Sabbath which people today, say it is Saturday?

Then I have answered the question even with an explanation and I HAVE CLEARLY DECLARED THAT IT IS GOOD TO OBEY THE LAW OF THE HOLY DAYS CALLED THE SABBATH!

OtemAtum:
Did the Bible really set what is good and what I bad?

Saturday?

To us and no one is compelling you to accept our position and what we have seen to be True, the Bible Did Set That Which is Good and that which is even more than bad, which is called evil.

OtemAtum:
"Is it good or bad to work on Saturday?
Bible said 'no' and the Bible god commanded that anybody working on Saturday should be stoned to death and there were records of people stoned to death for working on Saturday.
Now what do you feel, is it good to work on "

First, today, I do not know if Saturday is the True 7th day since people have changed things from time to time, including calendar and days, so I do not know that which is naturally True, but A Day Set for Rest and to Do no unnecessary and postponable work, is Good.

Why? Because, it is in the True Nature and soul of man to Rest From Work and Labours. Clearly Employees would be happy for this Law and the Employer ought to be happy, for he too has a Rest from His Necessary Shouting and harrassment of his employees to do their work.

Also, it is A Great Mark of Respect and Love shown to Your True Parent, to take out a Day, which you would Spend Time with them, thanking Them For Their Daily Assistance, Counsel and Support in aiding you to achieve your Good Goals, all the while that you are living in their House, among other things.

So, anyone who flagrantly, blatantly and outrighly disregards this Law, is Clearly Saying to His Father, "I do not respect You, oh Father and I Do Not care for whatever You Say, and I am a god unto myself and to whoever is in my hand, I do not care that You have made a Law and I do not care that it is Your House, (so what, are You the only One with a House?) Do whatever You Like, let me do whatever I like!"

And that last statement is your judgement, for you have done whatever you like without recourse to Him, therefore He is entitled to Do Whatever He Likes, without recourse to you. And therefore, He Commanded us, His Obedient children to Kill, in exercise of His Power of Doing Whatever He Likes, as you have said.

So, yes, I Clearly Answer that, it is Very Good and yes, Disobedient and Rebellious Children should not be allowed to live to infect the other children. The rotten fruit corrupts the bunch if it is not cut out.

But, today you do not need to worry about these things, for the rebellious children have corrupted every child and are so courrupting them, so it is now in His Hands to do whatever He Likes and not in any man's.

OtemAtum:
Religion doesn't define what is good or bad, but human judgement of things does. And there is nothing perfectly good or bad. To prove to you that religion doesn't define good or bad, take the case of idol worshipping for example, it is defined as bad by Christianity religion but as good by Hinduism. Polygamy is defined as good by Islam but as bad by Christianity. So how do you say that religion has the authority to define good and bad solely when even an atheist can define what is good or bad in his or her own judgement and billions of people might eventually agree with him or her? In conclusion, nobody is authorised to define what is good and what is bad. It is only done by our own subjective views.

No one is defining what is good and bad for the things which are good and bad have been set already by the Maker, we here are only trying to understand, comprehend and appreciate what things are good and what things are bad.

And that is why we shall have to examine many sources to discover in truth what things are good and what things are bad, not just human judhments alone, but the combination of other influences like Natural Law, Human Conduct and Relations etc

OtemAtum:
So what do you think of religion as regards sacrificing human beings to their so called Highest? Is it still same as watching football and going to club? And what about religion that killed gay, lesbians, sodomites, adulterers in thousands? Is it still like watching football or going to club, because as much as I know, clubbing and football viewing centres are not places where they ask people to kill each others, but almost all religion directly commanded their worshippers to kill others. For example Christianity religion and Islam. Check the Bible and Quran very well. Then our traditional religions had also encouraged human sacrifices.

Good, at least, you have landed on good ground, which was my point and so I can safely stop here and say in Eminem's voice, it is said "religion says it, it don't know if you do it or not"

Just like the coach has taught, trained and told his players what games strategy to employ, but it is always up to the players to carryout the plan and strategy they have in their own minds.

OtemAtum:
Why changing what I said? Again I said Exam Malpractices and not exam, so let's discuss that. As for cultism, it sounds bad to you but not to everybody. Some people use it for their advantage, same as religion is used to the advantage of some too. But both cultism and religion do more harm than good, that's exactly why they should be gotten rid of in this 21st century.

I have answered that exam malpractice is like kidnapping and cultism, it is bad ab initio!

Worship of the Highest, is exactly like going to the stadium every weekend, to watch football, going to the club or going to the cinema.

Doing these things does not make you a good or bad Person.

You are already a good or bad person even before you do them or whether you do these things or not.

gensteejay:
Say what in particular?

You know them and it is the same reason why you like this thread.

OtemAtum:
It's like saying that we should not discourage exam malpractices because it's not the malpractices that is bad but the people practising it. Or like saying we should encourage cultism in school because it's not the cultism that's doing the evil, but the people practising it. How do these sound to you?

No, you are not saying "exam malpractice" but you are rather saying that the exam is not good because people cheat during examinations.

Cultism on its own force, sounds like a bad thing already like armed robbery or kidnapping, all of which people naturally have condemned from the beginning, even before any person takes it up as a profession or religion, which is not so, with the practice of Respecting the Creator and our Creator!

OtemAtum:
Hushpuppi is just one out of millions of Nigerians. So it's not all Nigerians that defrauded people.

No not one, but the recentest one who made the internet and the news.

There were many before him, there shall be many after him.

OtemAtum:
Now back to the topic relating to religion, I Otem have histories of all religions ever practised in the world in my possession and I have checked them all to see that all of them had negative impacts on the people of their times. The positive impacts they had was far far lesser than the negative impacts.

My query is to the effect, can there be religion without people? No, there is no religion without at least one human being and there can never be a religion without a person.

Can religion do anything of its own? No, it can not and it can never be!

Is it not people who do religion? Yes, it is.

Therefore, if people do either good or bad or elect to do more bad than good, as you say, is it not proper to blame the persons who did not do the good that they are supposed to do?

Is that not why we say Mechanic Kazeem has destroyed my car or Dr Anu has spoilt my butt etc.

OtemAtum:
Now that we are in a more advanced world, it is far far better for us to discard religion and be free from those negative impacts once and for all.
For example, if you have a job you are earning 70k from and losing 200k for tfare and other inconveniences because of the job, will you do it? That's the case of religion to humanity in the 21st century. Religions of the world are built on lies and the root of lies must be destroyed!!!

People Lie, even you, not your profession for it does not speak, nor your practice, for it can not do anything, it is You, the human being who Lies and by Your Statement, You have Condemned Yourself, for if You Lie then "the root of lies must be destroyed!!!

Juliusmomoh:
This thread is open 4 those who don't belive in christ...... Beliver's beware

This thread is open to all who have access to it!

gensteejay:
I understand how a religious person approaches these things. To them, virtually everything is a religion.

As far as I'm concerned, anything that doesn't put more focus and attention on use of the brain and rational thoughts is evil for humanity.

Religions consider obeying their gods and prophets as superior to use of the brain and rationalizing life's issues, but the opposite should be the case, so overall, religions are evil for humanity.

It is a stupid person who said all these things, not religion.

Just as you are all avoiding the question I asked above, which is, Mr Hushpuppy, is the accused of committing the crime of Fraud, not Otematem, a Nigerian also. Meaning, the person called Hushpuppy, is A Fraud Not Nigeria or Nigerians like Otematem are Frauds.

So also, stupid religious people say stupid things, not the common practice and conduct of a people, which is called religion or custom or tradition or culture.

gensteejay:
Yea, but only the ignorant ones and low-level thinkers will remain in one religion or the other by that time. The majority will be irreligious in the age of enlightenment, which started in our own time and will become full-blown in the future world (beyond 100 years from now).

As more and more people get smarter and see the loopholes in all religious texts, the number of irreligious people and atheists will continue to grow. Ultimately, the scale will tip in the favor of irreligion and free-thinking.

Irreligion or irreligiousness shall be a religion to them. And they shall still have ignorant and low level thinkers among them, too, not any different today.

kingxsamz:
100 years from now it'd be useless.

100 years from now, they would still be doing a religion even if another one.

chiiraq802:
Other First world countries, ain't they into Religion
Africa is just cursed especially Nigeria, with or with out Religions....

Our people are very foolish gullible people both ways, whether they follow one path or another, they must still be foolish about it.

dulux07:
Religion in itself isn't bad, man must find peace in something, which materials can't give. It is the abuse of religion that is the problem. and Africans are ignorant set of people, that is why they are easily manipulated.

That is why I asked the questions.

OtemAtum:
I went to a public gathering today to hear and know more about people's opinions of things. Six guys gathered, discussing life issues. In no time at all, they have switched over to religious topics. I was very happy at the switch because it's what I wanted to hear from the public all the while. I was not disappointed to see that five of them were against religion, especially the Christianity religion. Only one of them was in support, but not wholeheartedly though. I was just nodding among them, enjoying myself

What did they say? A guy confessed how he was punched in the stomach severely while being asked to vomit the object of Satan in his body. He actually went for deliverance at Mountain of Fire. He said when the punches were too much, he had to let saliva flow out of his mouth so that they can leave him alone.

He also talked about a community in his land where there were 20 churches but one school and one health care. The guy was very furious at Christianity and was critically condemning King James who wrote the King James Version of the Bible. He emphasized that African eyes are getting opened.

I will encourage every 'backslider' on nairaland to continue working hard to free up African minds as they are doing now, because it's really having impacts in our society.

They also discussed how churches have used them for free labour in building their universities and schools. Churches used their members to carry bricks, blocks, sands while constructing secondary schools and universities which the poor church member children could not attend.

Another person outrightly said that religion is a scam, without fear or favour.


Pls let all irreligious people keep up with the good work of opening their eyes. Then Africa will get there. Religious nuisance will be rid off our society.

I'm very happy today for what I hear on the streets.

Let me ask this, I do not intend to quarel or fight or insult, seeing that hushpuppy is a Nigerian, who has defrauded people, is it right to say that Nigerians are Fraudulent people?

Does being a Nigerian mean Nigerians are Frauds?

I had almost made beautiful comments about your earlier post before this one. And the only word I am picking here is debate. The boy came in and started debating and I stopped the useless debate. Well, if you choose to write only to Christians, it is ok. The only reason I came on board was to ask more questions, but I see it again and again that nairaland is not the platform. I might be tempted to write more cos I am so enticed to truths. So, I will just delete this account and give up that I cannot find meaningful answers here.

But please, I will love you to not contact me again. I appreciate your prayer. I am adding you also to my list too. Nigeria is a burden in my heart. The most important issue at this point in my life is to get to the bottom of how the country called Nigeria can change for good. I am going to put you in my prayer list cos you should learn to tolerate atheists, muslims,.and others. I can say it that this was our bone of contention we disagreed on. That I tolerate others does not mean I am a less christian. I am not God, and if heaven exists (by the way no one has proved it, and I have not said it doesn't exist), I allow God to judge who will enter. As far as I am concerned, having the holy spirit is not a criterion for entering heaven, but I know we need Him. And I know many muslims who recognize Jesus. Even more of them have told me they believe the sonship of Christ. The HOLY spirit is a must, that I dont deny, but we are not close to Him. We just talk about Him without exploring Him.

This subject of the Holy Spirit was the only reason I showed here to really discuss it. But it seems christians dont know what they are called for. I felt you are different. Of course, I know you can be persistent when you want to connect.

If my coming here sounds like I am against you, far be from it. I have asked you privately questions and I tried publicly cos I need answers. Why? This is a critical point for Nigeria and things are really messed up.

I just pray that you dont return again also from outta no where to connect with me. I respect your wish by slamming me publicly cos I asked more questions. Please, dont come privately reconecting anymore.

Solely because of you (cos I know I persistent you are when you want to connect) I will give up my telephone number you have. And I will delete the email you know with me so I can disconnect permanently. I pray to God for a faithful person who will discuss and say the truth always. You want me gone, I am telling you this day, for me to write it publicly, I am gone for life. You cannot catch me up later again. When someone denies me publicly, I leave the fellow permanently. And when I say something publicly, that I will do. I can change my private words....but my utterances outside....I take seriously. I am.a man of my words, esp when uttered publicly.

I may be wrong, but this is the way it is. And I pray that the Lord Almighty answers your prayer. Deleting this today and right now. Just know that my telephone and email you have will stop functioning soon. So, do not bother to connect me now, 3 months later, 6 months later. Just like the person I wrote above...i have learned to move away quickly when my presence isnno more welcome. Just check yourself too. I am.not perfect, but I know that the God I serve is perfect. He will make a way for me.to know more and get the truth I have been searching for. Cos I am sick of Elijah and Moses' stories christianity. K want the manifestation of the power NOW..I am desperate and really seeking.

I wish you luck and I hope to see you in heaven someday.

Bye bye!

Oh he's gone

Exactly! The bolded part. No destructive debates, but there are so many endless debates. Why? Because all these things are future. So, what is subjective about the future? Listen to me, our root always has influence on us. This is the meaning of life. But which way to go? Would you blame the Muslim man or woman born into it and taught that Islam is not the way? Would you say the catholic man is too strict? I mean, he was born there. Jehovah Witnesses are bad. Yeah. For real? Why? What exactly is wrong with them? Oh! Witnesses can frustrate one too with their so called their way is the only way and their publications. Very annoying at times. Ok Jesus is the way. Yes, I know, and I have heard it many times. What is the proof? Where is the evidence? Muhammed is the way, what is the proof? Where is the evidence? There is no God, but they cannot prove it based on their own theories, but always disproving the claim there is God. Tell them to come up with positive theories, they cannot. Their work is full of guesses. God created the heaven and the earth. Show me how? They cannot too. And the whole world is in a chaos. Why the debate?

For me, it is about sitting down and listening to everyone. This has always been me. If you want to be my friend, you have to show me explicitly what you are trying to make me believe with evidences. Even it is abstract, there is a way to it. Show me the way. It is not just telling me that believe, believe, believe, believe. I want the person to show me that thing first. What purpose is just dropping verses in the Bible and Koran without connecting them to real present life cases?

I ask people: What is your testimony. And no answer other than "just believe". But my life is times 100 better than the ones telling me to believe. What exactly do you want me to believe? You even see Christians fighting themselves. And then, they say, "believe me cos I am a catholic". Now it is no more believe Christ but believe denomination. Waoooo! This is where I keep telling everyone that this world is messed up.

Seriously, I want to discuss, but when we start discussing, you will just see someone come in here to abuse me. And I dont take that. I will rain mine back cos I have come to realise that Nigerians are born to be talked to back. Even so many children that their parents cannot even look at one's face will start talking rubbish here. It's why I keep to myself.

Of course, whenever you are free. It is not a must you reply me at all any more. I just feel that when one tells me she knows the way and I ask her the way, and the person starts drawing back cos of my questions, I start to think otherwise too. And it seems to me that everyone does not understand what is really happening.

But I assure you, if I decide to open a thread and I start discussing, it will be captivating. Truths will be revealed. Knowledge is passed. Eyes are opened. But I am not interested in that. I am just attracted to your posts which I need clarifications. Not just copy and paste.

Well, if you choose to discuss here, I am in. If you choose not to discuss further, it is ok.

God bless you ma!

May I come in here? For I would love to attempt to address your questions raised in here, though I addressed them in other threads.

I promise no Insults which I do detest and the argument must get to a reasonable profitable conclusion, so it shall not be circuitous. I hate that too.

Then, I love Truths as you said!

LewsTherin:
There are 2 sets if arguments on this thread. One set is arguing over legal descriptions the other is arguimg over what is nice, fair or right.

I think the OP was considering legal descriptions.

MrBrownJay1, Mindlog, I was enjoying your back and forth on this matter.

My question. If a man refuses to recognise the child born out of wedlock (making said child illegitimate) and the woman marries someone else who legally adopts the child, can the biological father come back into the picture? Demanding visitation rights or such? Especially before the child becomes 18?

Nigerian law. And any foreign laws too if you don't mind.

First, recognition and legitimacy are not the same thing.

For in every instance where there is legitimacy, there must be a Recognition but, not all Recognition is Legitimacy and not all Legitimacy is Recognised, though, they all, ought to be.

That is the first part, therefore, "If a man refuses to recognise the child born out of wedlock (making said child illegitimate) [according to you]", he has simply exercised his own personal right to abdicate his natural responsibility, and if no one complains about it and compells him to take up his natural obligation, then everyone has to bear and suffer the consequences of his infraction, as a family unit and as a society, since they have acquiesced to his Neglect.

Therefore, the society and the family allow him to get away with it, while they all suffer for his Wrongdoing!

"and the woman marries someone else who legally adopts the child, can the biological father come back into the picture? Demanding visitation rights or such? Especially before the child becomes 18?"

See, that consequence in the beginning, which he thought to evade, comes into play here.

If he gets anything, it is his good fortune, but he definitely would have an uphill task.

Liposure:
its still the same thing. In reality, a bastard according 2 him is same as an illegitimate child according 2 the law. Not like i like the word bastard

When you say "According to the Law" you are always saying it is Good and indisputably True, which is not True, in this instance.

For he can always call any person, both "legitimate" and "illegitimate", a "bastard" all day long, and we know that it is not in fact, True.

But when he says the Law said so, then some of us must contend with him.

bukatyne:
Why this plenty debate on the definition of the legitimatcy of a child?

Is this another agenda to normalize baby mamaism and papaism

Nah!

But there is a Great influence against babymamas and their papas, which people are not aware of but they are labouring under it.

That is the Contract between babymama and the papa. This Contract can not be ignored, it is the same issue that arises when a prostitute gets pregnant.

etrange:
Metathesiophobia (the fear of change) is real. Besides, nobody wants to challenge the norm so as not to be labelled abnormal. The desire for social acceptance is inherent in our nature and we would do anything to not be social misfits thus bending to the society even against our own will. Only a few can afford to be divergent. They are the "abnormal" ones that bring about change.

Hence, the suffer continues for them and we also have to suffer their much complainings and their sordid tales of woes.