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Inteltower:
I think the regret he had was giving man free will. but if he didn't ..such a relationship he wanted wouldn't materialize

Agreed, with slight reservations but it can be overlooked.

BackllGodNaija:
Yes It's Hard To Explain Somethings, But God's Still God And He's Never Made A Mistake

Even the greatest giants of faith in times past had a point in their respective lives, when they found it very difficult to understand what God was doing, which compelled them to ask Him some difficult questions.

But what distinguished them, was the fact that regardless of what it was that made them ask God those questions, to them God was still God no matter what.

God promised childless Abraham at the age of seventy five, that He would make him a father of a great nation if he obeyed His voice. Gen 12:1-4

But after Abraham had done all that God commanded him to do, Abraham was still childless many years later, that he had to asked God, "what will thou give me, seeing I go childless?" Genesis 15:2

But he still believed God . Genesis 15:6

God sent Moses to Egypt to deliver "His people" from their Egyptian oppressors and Pharoah. Exodus 3:10

But after Moses got there and delivered the message God had sent him unto Pharoah, instead of Pharoah letting "God's people" go, he significantly increased the burden upon them and oppressed them much more, that they cried out even more than they did before the coming of Moses, that he was forced to ask God, "why is it that thou had sent me? Exodus 5:22

Yet Moses remained faithful to God. Numbers 12:7

God called David, "a man after my heart", and sent His prophet Samuel to annoint him king in the place of Saul over His people Isreal. 1 Samuel 13:14, 16:1

But instead of David ascending the throne shortly after that, it was his hardship and tribulations that ascended, to the extent that he had to feign madness at some point. There also came a point when it became too difficult to bear that even his own men turned against him and wanted to stone him which distressed him greatly. 1 Sam 30:6

But nonetheless David encouraged himself in the Lord who he called his Shepherd. 1 Sam 30:6

And there's also Job who God called His servant, and said was "a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil"." Job 1:8

But a day would come when the same Job would cursed the day he was born because of the extent of his suffering at the time. Job 3:1

Yet Job would still say, "I know my Redeemer liveth". Job 19:25

But one would think that okay, but surely not Jesus, the only begotten Son of God of whom God said "This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased" right? Matthew 3:17

Wrong!

Because Jesus would also get to the point in His life when He would have to ask His Father, "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" Matthew 27:46

Nontheless Jesus would go on to say, "Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit." Luke 23:46

So when we as believers encounter things that we cannot understand or find hard to explain, that we have to ask God some difficult questions, we should know that we're not the first to do so, for even Jesus who is the only begotten Son of God did same thing.

And if Jesus who is the Master and Lord had a point where He had to ask God some questions, how much more His servants?

But regardless of whatever questions we may be compelled to ask God, we should know that God is still God nonetheless, and He's never made a mistake.

This I believe was the orientation of those before us that made them to still keep the faith regardless of whatever inexplicable difficulties they faced.

God bless Nigeria.

Op respectfully, I was uncomfortable with this post because, by Nature, people should not and do not openly exhibit the limitations of their knowledge.

Why? Because, we humans Naturally Rely and Depend on Expert/Professional Opinion for the good direction of our affairs.

No patient will ever willingly place himself in the table of a Medical Student studying Surgery!

So also here, your declaration of "Yes It's Hard To Explain Somethings" is not comforting, if anything it brings panic because of the space created by "I Don't Knows Syndrome", which does not ever give confidence.

And the only a man can walk or drive Confidently Always Comes From What he knows.

That is what I just wanted to kindly point out.

Squillaci:
This definition of good is from human point of view.
It is what is benificial to a man.
But what if the Creator of the universe does not want what would benificial to man. E.g, what if he what he decides for man is war, crime, hunger, pestilence, chaos?
Does that stop him from being the creator of the universe?

Do not be offended, for you, does good and beneficial mean the same thing?

Because in my opinion, what is good is Always Beneficial to human but what is beneficial, is not Always good.

That was why I needed to know your standard of measurement of good and bad in the scenarios I raised up.

So please which of these scenarios would be good or bad? Is

A) a job with a salary of N620k per month, good? or

B) another man having sex with your girlfriend/fiancee or wife bad?

Squillaci:
Gbam.
If God exists, it would foolish to describe it as good or bad. God would be the determiner of what's right or wrong. So if he decides that genocide is good, then it is good simply because he says so. But God deciding if A is good or bad doesn't address the concept of good or bad is.
To me, Good and bad can only make sense if we see it as a human construct. Something a God would be beyond.

I do not understand your concept of good and bad.

For me to appreciate your understanding of good and bad, I respectfully ask,

If I gave you a job with a salary of N620k per month, would that be good?

Or if you see kingxams doing kerewa and jiggy-jiggy with your girlfriend/fiancee/wife, would that be bad?

Squillaci:
Who decides what is Good?
How can one call God good or bad?
It doesn't make sense.

Good and Evil is Always Always Decided by the Owner of A House or The Judge The Owner Appointed or The Laws The Owner Has Issued.

Vic2Ree:
Edited after realizing my error. Carry on

Don't sweat it, sweetheart, I Am On Already!

Vic2Ree:

Oh! I mean it, I mean it like waking up everyday to see A Beautiful Good Thing both in my House and in the Office and on the Streets

Fucsheetup:
This house is called Earth.

Yep, earth, globe whatever name we commonly identify it, I am alright with it.

Fucsheetup:
Huh?! And yet when those terrorists strike you Christians call their religion violent? By your logic, men should have the right to murder other men because of god no one has ever seen?

You are a big clown.

Come on do not be ridiculous! We have a right to complain, for it should not be done in the first place.

Why? Because the killing he can do, we can do it too.

And if we respond, you would certainly not be here saying this shit!

kingxsamz:
Yeah, thanks.
I now believe in God.

No you do not! And that is not my intendment.

Belief in God is a different thing which you are going to do, all by yourself, for yourself. I would not touch you at all.

IamMichael:
You have not said anything!

There is no more cognible statement that can be said other than the above, just as after A,B,C to Letter 'Z', no other letter remain to use again.

kingxsamz:
Alright bro.

Glad to help!

Image123:
Exactly why He has a right to slaughter them. i cannot go and slaughter the 1000chickens in my neighbour's poultry. i can kill ALL the ones in my house right now. Why? They belong to me. That's the simple logic, i expect you to go all emotional now instead of logical.

Oh Sweet Answer, Fire Away!

kingxsamz:
Oh...based on your logic, if I talk about the character, Jon snow everyday, that means the character exists?
And how do you know I don't talk about Jon snow everyday?



Your god does not exist, and never did, or even claimed to, you're the one doing it.

He does exist.

The first Proof is that you are in his house called the World. And your mother too knows that it is not her house

IamMichael:
Name?

I Already answered you, The Highest Name we can Find To Call Him is God, The Mighty and the Creator!

MiddleDimension:
which of the gods do we know exist? oranmiyan, zeus, shiva, allah, jehovah, thor or amadioha?
bible says "be still and know that i am god..." in other words, forget yourself and what you are or can do and also what you know...become like an innocent child who knows nothing and is just innocently marveling and wondering about what he sees...bible says until you become like the children, the kingdom is not for you. he even thanked the father for revealling it to "mere children", those who innocently marvel and wonder about what they see.
NOW, WHEN WE BECOME LIKE THOSE CHILDREN, WHEN WE EMPTY OUR HEADS OF WHAT EVER WE KNOW, AND MARVEL AND WONDER ABOUT EXISTENCE, WE DO NOT SEE YOUR GOD, WE SEE SOMETHING ELSE: NATURE IN ALL ITS GLORY EXPLAINED BY SCIENCE. THIS HUMBLES US AND WE TAKE LIFE EASY! BECAUSE WE CAN SEE AND UNDERSTAND EXISTENCE, WE BECOME CAPABLE OF SUBLIME THINGS AND AS A RESULT OF THAT, WE BECOME THE TRUE LIGHT OF THE WORLD! BECAUSE WE SUPPLY SOLUTIONS.

If you see Nature, then you see His Work! For is it not in Nature to see the Result or work done by Another?

So it is, with Him! If you see His Work, you must see Him. If you want.

LordReed:
You know there's no god, you are just following what was indoctrinated in you from an early age and which you find comforting. You are just lying to yourself that there is a god because you need a universal father figure maybe because your parents failed you one way or another, you are looking for a strong parental hand.

Yeah 2 can play the game. LoL!

No, I am not!

I have seen Him and met with Him and He is A Very Very Good Person and very Pleasantly Wonderful, Who is Too Much in Everything .

Oh! I Love Him

IamMichael:
What is the name of the 'God' you are talking about?

The Battle Begins!

The Highest and Most Powerful Name we are able to identify Him with And to Let Him Know that we are indeed Calling Him and not someone else is "God", The Mighty, The Glorious, The Creator!

ochibuogwu5:
An [size=8pt]encounter with Our Lord Jesus Christ Crucified *alone will exchange our wicked heart inherited from Adam with the heart/life of Jesus*

“The heart is deceitful above all things And it is extremely sick; Who can understand it fully and know its secret motives? “I, the Lord, search and examine the mind, I test the heart, To give to each man according to his ways, According to the results of his deeds."
(Jeremiah 17:9-10 amp)
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"Men can only reproduce human life, but the Holy Spirit gives new life from heaven"
(John 3:6 TLB)

Have you accepted Jesus Christ [size=8pt]Crucified as your own personal Lord and God ?
if *Yes*; Alleluia as I encourage you to receive grace for a consistent and progressive daily personal bible studies and prayer-fellowship with the Holy Spirit in these last days

if *no*; I encourage you to surrender your whole life to Jesus because by the sin of Adam *all human being inherited condemnation for sin yet God chose to show all human being mercy through the death of Jesus on the Cross and His condemnation to *hell-fire where he spent eternity* as a requirement for the punishment of all human sin then His resurrection from this physical and spiritual death which made Him the only being qualified to console His Father as an atonement for sin. Any human being who believes in Jesus Christ as his/her personal Lord and Saviour has surrendered *our adamic-nature to death on the Cross with Jesus and receives the new creation-nature/life of Jesus* such that he/she will not manifest sin again in his/her mortal-body, be held punishable for the *adamic-nature/life* and only manifests the lifestyle of Jesus Christ through the power of His Holy Spirit controlling and directing your mortal-body.

To accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour entails these 3-things:
Repentance: Because of adam's sin and its consequences inherited by every human being and your own personal sins at the moment you have knowledge of what is good and bad, you must accept that *you are a sinner who desires to have a sinless and pleasing life with God*

Faith in Jesus Christ: You must agree that *only through faith in the death of Jesus Christ on the Cross of Calvary and his resurrection from the dead* can you become sinless and pleasing to God* hence asking Jesus to be the Lord and Saviour of your life.

Discipleship: You must ask Jesus Christ to fill you with His Holy Spirit so that you can continue to have a consistent and progressive fellowship/Lifestyle with the Trinity (Father, Son and Holy Spirit) within your whole mortal-body (spirit, soul and body) and all that you engage on this earthly existence through daily personal bible studies and prayers even as you join the local church community that the Holy Spirit leads you.

If you are ready to accept Jesus Christ as your own personal Lord and Saviour then you can make this prayer which comprises these 3-things explained above:
God, my Father I come to you now because I believe that I am a sinner,
I believe that Jesus Christ your only beloved Son died on the Cross of Calvary for my sin and the sins of all human being and I believe that He rose from the dead on the third day hence I accept Jesus as my own personal Lord and Saviour, fill me with your Holy Spirit who will keep me in consistent and progressive fellowship with you till Jesus comes again to rapture His Saints in Jesus Name. Amen.

If you have made this declaration of faith in Jesus Christ Crucified; you are welcome to the Family of GOD.
You can join any fellowship/Church close to you where Jesus Christ is preached as the *only means of human salvation* from the holy bible or you can comment on this write-up or my inbox for *a follow-up on your new life in Christ*

If you have accepted Jesus Christ as your own personal Lord and Saviour before now but you have fallen back into sin(secret or public), you can confess them to Jesus Christ in your heart/mind/mouth right now and ask Him to fill you with His Holy Spirit who empowers us with grace never to sin again in all aspects of our lifestyle till biological death or the rapture of the Saints

If you have accepted Jesus Christ as your own personal Lord and Saviour yet you have not backslidden, keep-on seeking mercy and grace to remain faithful to Our Lord Jesus Christ Crucified till the end through daily bible studies, prayers, regular fellowship with the Holy Spirit, evangelism and discipleship.

Now to Him who is able to keep you from stumbling or falling into sin, and to present you unblemished [blameless and faultless] in the presence of His glory with triumphant joy and unspeakable delight, to the only God our Savior, through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion, and power, before all time and now and forever. Amen. (Jude 1:24-25 amp)

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Bros, please, while on the surface, people would say it is not wrong, but I respectfully tell you that this is not correct.

And the it is not correct because, God Never Punished Anyone for Adam's offence!

From the Cain to Noah, Every one was punished for their own specific wrong, just like Dubai police can never arrest you for hushpuppi's sin.

After Noah, till now, everyone is still being punished for their own specific sin, which they could chosen to do avoid or went ahead to commit it not caring about the consequences.

Further, Christ is not changing your heart of stone like that, it is you who is going to work very hard in changing it first, before He Comes to help you.

But if you are not willing to work very hard or you are lazy about it, why should He come and help you, when you are the one who spoilt it in the first place?

tobechi74:
who created the heart and made it wicjed

Just as your Papa allow you to carry e moto go shine, God created you good, with a good heart and gave it to You to go and enjoy.

Just as any day, you come back house with papa moto, wey you don scatter, mirror, headlight and windscreen don break, you don use d motor fight danfo and Keke Marwa well well, dia blows and color dey body, you carry dat e benz come house, like dis, you know say, your own don finish and you no say you don die.

Na so your heart be to God wey give you.

Oldoinyolengai:
Even if I ask you a question, will you realize it?
Otherwise you would have answered one.

I have answered you but because you did not expect my answer you are complaining.

You Feely asked a question, I freely answered. If you are not satisfied, rephrase your question and wait, maybe I would fall into your trap.

Oldoinyolengai:
Will you refresh your brain and come up again?

I am here but you have not asked a question.

Oldoinyolengai:
For what reason is this essay?

Translation! Why did you not fall into the trap I laid for you,so that I can feast on your flesh?

ThinkFreely:
Asking this question means you haven’t been comprehending this discussion ever since.

Translation! I do not wish to disclose the meaning and intention of my statement.

Oldoinyolengai:
Two yes/no questions for you.

1.Is polygamy right before God?

2. Is there any sin before God if someone eats flesh?

Nna, na, na ojoro you wan do just as you had the natural right to frame the question any way you please without restriction, I too, have a natural right to answer your question in any cogent and reasonable way.

So, I answer thus

1) do you not understand that discretion means you can choose option A without Punishment or Options B without Punishment too?

So therefore, God can not punish simply for exercising either Option A or Option B!

2) it is Clearly Written

Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you (animals allowed but based on verses 5 and 6, to kill a man for any purpose is prohibited); even as the green herb have I given you all things.

4 But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat.(Eating of live animals Prohibited)

5 And surely your blood of your lives will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it, and at the hand of man; at the hand of every man's brother will I require the life of man.

6 Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.

When it is cloudy dark and the wind bloweth cold air, do ye not say that it is going to rain?

If ye can tell the times and seasons how can ye not discern the times?

ThinkFreely:
So you see that your initial point about “one god” is incorrect.

How?

Oldoinyolengai:
Your explanation is self-contradictory and single sided.
If trouble with women is due to their nature rather than their number, why restricting the later?

Do you seriously mean monogamous marriage of some of God followers is coming out of God's suggestions rather than their religious law

Surely you know "Discretionary" means freedom to decide what should be done in a particular situation.

You can have 1 or as many as 1 million wives if you want, it is your own load.

My position is, the Law on Number or numbers of wives, is Suggestive and Discretionary and not Prohibitive Like "Thou shalt not Commit Adultery".

Oldoinyolengai:
You have contaminate that part of the Bible in 1:29 with the word "only". In fact, God didn't restrict man's diet on herb only.

Genesis 1:29 (eat herbs) No flesh mentioned!

Genesis 9:3 ("eat every moving thing" (flesh) -plants do not move) Plus Herbs, Clearly Mentioned.

Oldoinyolengai:
Question remains, why are God believers come into different bands with sets of opposing rules yet they say they are believing in same God.

Bros, you be human being now, you no dey do whatever you like?

Anybody fit force you to do wetin you no wan do?

As nobody fit force you, na so e be for everybody!

ThinkFreely:
So can we interchange God and Amadioha in sentences?

Can I go to church to worship Amadioha?

it is between you, the persons in control of the church, Amadioha and God. My own, no dey there.

ThinkFreely:
Amadioha and God. Same God different names?

Because they are both religions

Amadioha is said to be the God of Thunder.

"The Lord God is the God of Thunder and Lightenings too.

2 Hear attentively the noise of his voice, and the sound that goeth out of his mouth.

3 He directeth it under the whole heaven, and his lightning unto the ends of the earth.

4 After it a voice roareth: he thundereth with the voice of his excellency; and he will not stay them when his voice is heard.

5 God thundereth marvellously with his voice: great things doeth he, which we cannot comprehend. Job 37:2-5

Oldoinyolengai:
Why is God ruling his worshipers in a contradicting way?

Why is he telling one band polygamy is legal while to others it's illegal

He made no such Pronouncement Only A Suggestion, that it would be good to You, if You had One Wife, For 2 or more wives would be trouble to you. For it is already a great trouble to have one wife,

"It is better to dwell in a corner of the housetop, than with a brawling woman in a widehouse." Proverbs 21:9.

This is a Discretionary Instruction, which can be obeyed or set aside, But no be you go carry the wahala?

Oldoinyolengai:
Why to others it's normal to feast on pork and illegal to others?

He First Commanded that man shall eat "herbs" Only Genesis 1:29.

Then He amended it and Commanded that man shall eat herbs and flesh. Genesis 9:3/4.

Then, To the Children of Isreal (Not Everyone, yet) He Commanded, Pork Should not be eaten. Leviticus 11:1-7.

Then, when the Lord Himself, came to visit us, He Told us, that,

"Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man" Matthew 15:11-20.

Therefore, the Law banning the eating of pork has been amended allowing us to now eat pork today.

[quote author=Oldoinyolengaipost=91305710]Do all theists believe in one God?[/quote]It is said that theists believe in God. One or many,
is a case of to each, his own!

Not Different God But Different Names to Identify God.

But from your statement, we agree that there is one who is Wholly Evil, whose name is Satan.