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elated177:
I have not made any contradictory statement. I made it from the beginning that the picture of the Creator you painted was wrong. It was probably your choice of words.

A man's wickedness cannot hurt or inflict any kind of injury or pain on his Maker.

Job 35:5-8 Look at the sky! See how high the clouds are! If you sin, that does no harm to God. If you do wrong many times, does that affect him? Do you help God by being so righteous? There is God needs from you. Others suffer from your sins, and the good you do helps them.
I rest my case.

With humility and respect do I say this, Repeating a Settled Query will not resurrect it. It amounts to Re-Arguements.

Martinez39s:
Not many things are as amusing as a religious freak who rejects evidence, and thinks he is smarter than every atheists.

You are not ready to learn. If all the reasonable arguments and facts against your religion (presented in the past by NL atheists) couldn't make you see the light, what can Sabrina do with you given your lofty stubbornness and arrogance?

Nope I do not Think I am smarter, I am smarter!

Atheist stand on a table, I stand on the earth and you remember what happened to boy who jumped and played on the table, I'm the other boy who made him Fall!

Sabr1na:
Contradictory statements? Wow. Let us examine this grave accusation, shall we?


This is a false dichotomy fallacy. You're creating a false black and white scenario. Any honest individual would look up what a false dichotomy fallacy means but it's not like you care anyway, because your understanding of logic is so incredibly skewed. You're perfectly satisfied demonstrating how uninformed and dishonest you are. Basically, you've proved her point. You don't care what she believes. She's told you her stance but you feel satisfied misrepresenting her due to cognitive dissonance. To you it is impossible for someone to take the middle ground. Let me ask you: do you KNOW god exists or do you BELIEVE god exists.

Anyways, lack of belief =/= belief. No, she did NOT contradict herself.


Well, we now know how untrue this is for you....


I think you had no point here. You just felt like saying something you thought will be smart. Well you FAILED.



Another own goal. Let me clue you in because it seems you're the only fellow who missed the point of the op: If you don't know much about someone, find out directly from them. You don't know what they know. Don't be an assumptive dickhead.


Your faux sense of superiority plus your overwhelming ego will be death of you


It's cognitive dissonance that's dealing with you sir! You want to redefine atheism to suit your selfish purpose because you have no legitimate rebuttals to their position.

Stop being such a wuss. Gosh!



I say you are an unimportant douche with delusions of grandeur. You think you know everything and are not humble to learn. You want to bully people to buy your opinion but I'm sorry mate. It doesn't always work like that. I think meeting atheists online was like a culture shock to you, I understand. But sometimes you just have to let it go.

If you're going to sit there and point accusing fingers, what do you hope to achieve from this excuse of a response.


Ugh please save it.

If it were my XxSabrinaxX days, I'd have brought you to your knees . I was seldom active last year on NL, but you could ask around and the few who knew me would tell you.

You are hands down the most insufferable apologist I've had the displeasure of quoting. You're clearly not intelligent (honestly you're one of the dumbest Christians I've met on here), but you're also so full of yourself when you address atheists. You're not ready to learn. You make rash judgements often exposing how uninformed you really are. Look how quick you were to imply she was contracting herself without understanding the basics of taking philosophical stances. You went ahead to commit an outrageous fallacy that not even an undergraduate logic student would commit.

You're so trash really. I'm not ready to pass through untold pain spoon-feeding you. I only wanted to respond to your rebuttal just so viewers of the thread won't be deceived, thinking you're making sense. Well I expect your type to support you tho.

This is my last response to you. You're not qualified to have any logical discussion for now. Maybe if your reply to this impressed me, I'll indulge you

Cc. DaughterOfAllah, Martinez39s, Vic2Ree, LordReed

Ow, Sisi, you do not want another beating, I respect that, I respect that, no one uses Keke Marwa to fight a Caterpillar and it would not be right and good (I Love good) to encourage one.

That's Just Mean!

So I Respectfully and Honourably back out and I leave you be!

GodHead85:
1. You are using a False Analogy in your response. Your "Car in the middle" premise does not rhyme with the concept of religious beliefs

"False analogy"? Damn! Do you drive? Have you not had the experience of that Idiot who thinks the road is his, and drives in the middle of it? If it was allowable to hurt him in this country Nigeria (it should not be allowed, it should not be allowed, we would Kwantinu to manage abuses and curses and maybe a little nudge of Idiots car ) would you not like to ram him into one side or the other or off the road?

Is this not a True event that happens to people who drive? So how can it be "false"? Or what is false? Is false not that which is Always, Untrue Again? Abi dictionary don change? Enlighten me please.

GodHead85:
There are countless positions that exist when it comes to the existence of Gods. Even among Christians, there are many kinds of christians. Among atheists, there are many types of Atheists. I hope you know that there are Atheists who believe in spirits. They don't believe in the Jewish god among others, but they believe that there are forces unknown to man.
You are making it seem like it's either A or B, but that's not always the case. Even within atheism, you have Strong Atheism and Weak Atheism. The OP reads me as a weak atheist. You have Apatheists who don't believe in God and don't care if he exists or not.
Since you believe in God, that means you're a Theist. Did you know there are many kinds of Theists? You have the Weak Theists, and the Strong Theists. You can check all these worldviews up. They are littered all over the internet. Your analogy is very very wrong.

Look at life and this world, we generally, commonly and popularly come in set pieces, you are either a boy or a girl, man or a woman, male or female, have 2 hands and 2 Feet not 3 or 8.

Of course, we have also seen that exceptions exist but we will deal with the exceptions, exceptionally!

That is my stand point which is, Naturally Common in Nature. It is My Castle and it is From There That I shall Always Speak From or Attack All!

GodHead85:
2. You said everyone is free to make up his mind. Should I take , from that statement, that you have no interest trying to convert people ? Because if that's the case I don't see why you deemed it necessary to respond to this thread. This thread isn't meant for you if you do not seek out to convert people to your religion.

Oh! That's true, I ain't trying to convert Anyone!

But, if you do not stand on a sure ground, I am coming to Rock your world. Unless you say I am not invited, then I'll respect your right to walk on sinking sands with just a little warning that you are going to drown in swamp!

GodHead85:
3. I'm afraid I don't really see your point here. Are you saying just because it's a movie , the screenwriters can make up any nonsense they feel like because they are recorded theatre art performances? LOL . I understand films are meant to be fictional but they are often intended to mirror the real society. To do this, they try to communicate real and relatable messages to viewers. Not mislead viewers or spew propaganda. Have you watched the movie before? Do you agree it is flawed?

Wow, You too? You do not know that movies also sell lies using the truth?

Ah! Please Father, please Come, the generation of the decieved are here as you said and there is no one to show them the Truth anymore!

GodHead85:
4. You see, like I said, there are many kinds of atheists. The only thing common to atheists is that they don't believe in gods. Some atheists claim positively that there is no god (Strong atheists). Some are not so sure but they withhold belief because of lack of evidence (weak atheists). Stop generalizing too much. I think that's your problem. You have other kinds of atheists like the satanists, pastafarians, etc. However the common theme among them is their lack of belief. If you are confused, your goal should be to clarify the kind of Atheist the individual is. Based on experience, most atheists I know fall into the "weak atheist" category. It's hard to find a strong atheist. Not impossible, but hard. Those are the people I think you'll have an issue with

As I said earlier, I do not know who is who But if you stand on a table, I'm gonna shake that table and none of them will ever be comfortable standing on that table. And that's it for me.

For I am here to show that if you stand on a table, you stand not well, and I shall show you.

But if you stand on Solid Earth, No one even tries to rock the earth.

LordReed:
The guy is full on delusional or at the very least fully dishonest.

Says A Convicted Professional Nairaland Certified Liar, caught in the very Act of Lies, while Lying!

Oya run and hide or remove all your Relevant Incriminating Posts, You will Still loose! Mr. liar

Sabr1na:
Contradictory statements? Wow. Let us examine this grave accusation, shall we?

This is a false dichotomy fallacy. You're creating a false black and white scenario. Any honest individual would look up what a false dichotomy fallacy means but it's not like you care anyway, because your understanding of logic is so incredibly skewed

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Ms or Mrs Fallacy, is in the house!

You see that word "False", up there, it will Never make you properly own a piece of land here, with authentic title.

Fallacy, your favourite Weapon, do you really and Truly know what it means? Of course you do not know, if not you would not be able to use it with me.

Why?

Because You do not know the True Power of Fallacy is but the False Powerless One, thought by your false Logic Texts.(it's powerful only against those who do not know that it False and a Mirage, and a Deceit).

And Everything False, I Repeat, Everything False does not have a place to Sit, Firmly, in This world of Truth, Founded in Truth and Soaked in Truth Everything Truth.

Not your fake and false truth which you wish to bring here, But the True Truth which is as True as The Rock called Zuma Rock is the area known and commonly described as Abuja, or as No man can flap his hands or any part of his body, to Fly like a bird, or if you slit the throat of a man, his flesh and blood and body, that uses his throat, must die.

These Are Natural Truths verified and verifiable by all or are you going to say that this is not True? Scratch that, is this not True?

Let me stop here, so that I will know what Ground are we contending about, for I Perceive, that you have a different 'Truth other than Known Established Natural Truths, so what is it?

ThinkFreely:
What has all the statement you made got to do with the topic?

We are doubting the omniscience nature of something, you have not proven that and your are circulating another argument?

Bro, that’s not how to present your points. You have not answered anything here, you have not made a single point.

You have successfully committed a fallacy of special pleading.

You have to first of all convince me of his omniscience nature before presenting the argument of what he can and cannot do.

Do you see, I separated the point for you to address, you said you addressed it in your post.

Now I have addressed your post on the whole, now you are saying I did not address omniscience nature, which was what I asked you to explain.

Can you explain what is the issue of the omniscience nature, then I could address it?

elated177:
The picture of Him you painted is still very wrong. Our Father in heaven can be pleased with and displeased with his creatures. Not that our actions can hurt him, cause in pain or inflict suffering on him. That is ludicrous!

If the Creator is pleased with any of his creatures, he blesses such creature. However, if he displeased with such creature, he pours his wrath on such creature.

It is as simple as that.

Very true we are a little like for we are made in his image. We must not think that he is like us, mere mortals.

It in man's best interest to do good and abstain from evil. If man fails to do this, he will end up inflicting pain and suffering on himself and maybe his fellow human being, depending on the kind of evil.

I am not disputing the fact that the Creator gets angry. He does. However, not in the way you described above.

You are now contradicting yourself for Having Accepted that "He pours his wrath" is there any other Greater Proof of the feeling of Anger?

Further by your statement
"It in man's best interest to do good and abstain from evil. If man fails to do this, he will end up inflicting pain and suffering on himself and maybe his fellow human being, depending on the kind of evil"

Did the Lord Himself, Not Clearly StateMatthew 25:31-46

"31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:

36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?

38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?

39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?

40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me."

I Rest my case.

Sabr1na:
Dear OP, you forgot -- "AtHEiSm iS a ReLIgiON" -- Hands down the most retarded claim they love to make. They think the whole world revolves around their myopic views. In a way it ties in with your first point though.

Hey Sab, Ready for Round 2, with the Rules of Fair Play and Good Reasons, No insults?

Could Concession to the victor also be included?

And no after-thoughts and Repetitions, which means forfeit to the other side.

Arguments on points and points alone, breach of which is forfeit to the other side?

DaughterOfAllah:
Hello,

[Disclaimer] I intend this message to be for the people who feel compelled to win souls to their respective faiths i.e online evangelists, online apologists etc. However, I honestly recommend that every believer of every faith read this piece. Before I continue with my post, I want to start by declaring that I am, as a matter of fact, an atheist. As an atheist, I have no belief in the existence of any supernatural being(s). My lack of belief stems from the lack of credible evidence for the existence of all such alleged cosmic beings. However, I do not claim to know there are no gods. There is a fundamental difference. Therefore, I'd deeply appreciate an honest understanding of my position, rather than a strawman caricature thereof. I apologise, however, for the length in advance

Sorry Al's Daughter, if someone drives in the middle of the road on both lanes we would love to knock the person out of the Road, for being a nuisance.

Same as making Contradictory statements, it is Useless to everyone, except of course Liars!

You are either inside the office or outside it. So I choose for you and knock you to one side, which is it is Your clear stand that there is no God and I am not going to allow you to change it.

Therefore you must always reflect this belief. Let me stop here and see the other parts of your post.

DaughterOfAllah:
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When abandoning any prominent religious faith, I've discovered that attempts to correct any such departure increases exponentially the longer you remain detached from any said faith. As such, I've had few close acquaintances who, aware of my stance on religion, constantly try to argue me right back into it. And believe me, no matter how hard I express myself or justify my position, they remain undeterred!

When making a case for their gods, theists love to employ lots of strategies and gimmicks just to win you over. From desperate apologetics, to self-righteous sanctimonious piety, to attempting to reverse the burden of proof, to emotional appeal, manipulation and outright threatening the unbeliever with eternal damnation in HELL! Sometimes, they assume you were never a true believer, even though you've practiced said religion all your life. They pretend that they have it all figured out. Listening to unbelievers before conversion attempts is completely unimportant in their book.

This is not right everyone is free to make and unmake their minds, so count me out.

DaughterOfAllah:
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There is a common flaw I've noticed when these people try to convert me. This flaw is noticeably prominent in believers of all faiths: They never listen. Things would be a lot more easier for religious followers if they just stopped a second to hear the unbelievers out!. The moment you begin to make assumptions about your co-discussant(s) in any rational discourse, you've already lost - especially if your sole purpose is to get them to change their minds.

I was watching a Christian movie last night titled God's Not Dead. I've heard a lot about it, but I only came accross it last night while surfing the web looking for stuff to download. Judging from the title, I had assumed that some filmmakers wanted to share incontrovertible, undisputed, empirical evidence for the Christian god. Oh, how wrong was I! What I got instead was nearly two hours of atheist strawmen caricatures, Christian propaganda all enmeshed in false persecution complex. I mean, even by religious standards the film was a mess. It did nothing but reinforce the fact that Christians usually don't give a damn about anyone but themselves! They portray their religion as a selfish one. As long as they can take the W over anyone with disputing views, they don't mind if they peddle lies and falsehood or even outright contradict themselves. I could go on another rant slamming God's Not Dead and exposing it's fallacies and lies, but that's a whole other issue entirely.

Did you not hear that you can not believe what is on television this days not to talk about Recorded Theatre Art Performances called movies? Your mistake!

DaughterOfAllah:
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Religious believers make a lot of unjustified assumptions when talking about atheists. I'm going to table out a list of these assumptions. (Mind you, this list is based on the observation derived from conversations with believers for a significant time period. There will obviously be a tiny few exceptions.)

UNJUSTIFIED ASSUMPTIONS AND LIES MOST RELIGIOUS BELIEVERS MAKE ABOUT ATHEISTS
1) Atheists reason like all other religionists. To demonstrate this, ask any Christian or Muslim if they think atheists view people like Richard Dawkins or Christopher Hitchens as infallible authorities of knowledge. I can bet an overwhelming majority would say yes! This is the problem: without any justification, religious believers think atheists reason the way they do, but in reverse! They view the Bible and Quran as the infallible words of Yahweh and Allah respectively; of course atheists feel the same about Neil DeGrasse Tyson and other prominent atheists right? Wrong! Our epistemology differs! Atheists rely solely on reason and logic to decipher truths. Most of us became atheists before we even heard of Richard Dawkins or concepts like evolution and the big bang. Ideas like evolution only serve as occasional reinforcement. Even if evolution was disproved today, we'll still have no beliefs in god(s). This is the reason why people trash talking evolution always amuse me: I don't care about evolution! All I care about is the existence of god(s) - for which no incontrovertible evidence has yet been demonstrated under reliable and/or controlled settings.

2) Atheists do not have spiritual or religious experiences. This is a pure lie. Atheists DO have "spiritual" experiences - they just interprete it differently than you do. Most believers are quick to shut down atheists when they assert that they've had strange things happen to them, this denying them their experiences. Some gloat and rub it in the atheists face that such experience proves their god really exists. But this is not true in the slightest. The truth is this: people have a habit of interpreting significant events in their lives through their respective worldviews. A Christian who experiences an NDE will see Jesus just the way an Indian will see Vishnu, or a Muslim will see Allah. Another fact is that most fantastical events we have experienced in life can sometimes be explained through natural laws and physics, from eerie sounds or moving objects to even crazier things like hallucinations, mass hysteria, NDEs etc. Things like thunder, rain and even alchemy we're mysteries in the ancient times. Today, we know much better. When you're a believer, it is often convenient to view everything that happens around you through the lens of your religion. However, you still have no right to deny people their own legitimate experiences or label them as lies just because they are not of your religion.

3) Oh this one really ticks me off: Atheists behave the way theologians describe them. First of all, it should be noted that religious theologians and apologists like William Lane Craig and Ravi Zacharias are not authorities on atheism! These people mostly carry out NO research to corroborate their "facts". They come from institutes which are founded on the belief - which most still uphold - that atheists are morally bankrupt and worthy of damnation. These institutes differ from other educational institutions who arrive at their conclusions, only after sufficient data has been collected and processed.
These theologians are informed solely by their faith. They presuppose who atheists are and this is very evident when you watch their debates. An academic scholar with background(s) in counter-apologetics is a good source but majority of the time, the only true authorities on atheism are atheists themselves! If you are bent on converting a specific atheist, the worst mistake you can make is confront them with baseless accusations like claiming "you know deep down you believe! you are just lying to yourself". You've already made up your mind about this individual, why do you suppose s/he will open up to you any further?...Hasn't the discussion been terminated prematurely? As I have stated countless times already, the fastest way to enstrange somebody in a discussion is to presume how they reason. It not only denies them a voice, it also destroys the purpose of the discussion in the first place. Speaking of false accusations....


4) Atheists secretly believe in God. The bible has pretty much destroyed the atheist's chance of having a voice to speak for his or herself. Romans 19:18-20 asserts that god has made the knowledge of his existence "plain" to the atheists. It's hard to argue in this context, given that Christians believe their holy book to be inspired by god - and he can't have been lying! Or can he? Generally, this makes Christians think than no true unbeliever exists. To them the knowledge of who god is evident to ALL. It also doesnt help that religious texts paint a sinister picture of unbelievers as "fools" or "enemies of an all-loving god". Thus, the hearts of believers is even more hardened towards non-believers. To put this in perspective and demonstrate how problematic this is, consider this: As a Christian, imagine if I told you, you don't believe in God. You can argue with me all day that you believe and that you obey his words, but I just shut you down and assert that your emotions are creating illusions of righteousness and loyalty, getting the best of you. You are actually just a lying sinner. Of course you'll feel helpless because I've denied you your feelings! That's exactly how you make atheists feel. It's always best to try the shoe on the other foot sometimes. Most of us atheists, really do not see any evidence for god. If you fail to understand this, any discussion with an unbeliever is pointless.

5) There are no atheists in foxholes. This is a tired canard that unfortunately, still gets trotted out in this day and age. The idea that atheists discover faith when faced with severe tribulations is as false as it is hilarious. Religionists truly believe that atheists are "agents" of the devil. They believe that when an atheist is suffering untold pain, it is due to unbelief, and that such pain will be removed when they accept their god(s). This assumption is not only irritating but highly irrelevant. People change worldviews all the time. Muslims can become Christians. Atheists can become Buddhists and so forth. There is no universal reason for this change. It is a non-argument. Just to add, some theists see successful atheists as people backed by the devil. Basically, if you're a rich atheist, Satan is behind your success. If you're a struggling atheist, your unbelief and blasphemy against god is catching up with you. There's no winning with this people!

I do not know much about atheist but one thing I know is that They can never stand on anything not to talk about Naturally Established Truth Seen in Nature.

But they must run all over the world trying to escape their fall While Truth Only Chooses One House or Castle to Live and either stands with his castle or falls with it, Like a devoted Captain of a Ship!

If Atheist can stand on One Ground, they would have some respects whether they stand or they fall, like soldiers, rather than Running around Li like children playing "catcher"!

DaughterOfAllah:
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Ultimately, it is important for religious followers who seek to speak to atheists to understand where they are coming from first. I know it sounds like a heavy task, but that's the only way to achieve mutual beneficial discussions of this nature. Honestly, if you're not willing to find out what makes an atheist tick, I wonder what you stand to gain other than being a bullying, self-righteous, opinionated arse when engaging any atheist in a discussion.

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This rant has probably triggered lots of believers who may feel the impulse to scroll right down and comment to pass judgements about me. I expect that. However, the fact that this post lacks transcience would justify me should any baseless accusations arise. Therefore I'd recommend that if you must put down a comment, endeavour to read (and understand!) the OP before jumping headlong into unfounded conclusions.
Thanks

Well I did not scroll down to comment, I commented while scrolling down

So what say you?

ThinkFreely:
First of all, we have to be reasonable here.
1. A freewill package flaws the omniscience nature of god, it becomes a prediction game since probabilities have been involved.

I asked how here because I rebut that it does not. So Prove the how?

ThinkFreely:
2. It’s impossible to make a concrete plan while regarding freewill as a factor. This means that god cannot stick to a particular plan. He’s guessing and not sure of the final outcome

You do know that man has very limited moves he can freely make?

ThinkFreely:
3. Regarding these two points, god is currently not even sure of how many people will make heaven, he doesn’t have a figure to plan with for now. That’s a big blow to his omniscience nature. He is depending solely on the activities of his preachers to garner followers for him. He doesn’t know anything for sure currently. He’s not even sure you will make heaven finally.

Is this the kind of god you are following?

You do realise that You are Talking about a God who made this house that we call the world and that has catered for millions and millions of people and animals over thousands of years?

Is there anything that He can not Do, if He wills it?

ThinkFreely:
First of all, we have to be reasonable here.
1. A freewill package flaws the omniscience nature of god, it becomes a prediction game since probabilities have been involved.

How?

LordReed:
The question was do you have the freedom, your deluded head converted it to do you have the freewill.
You are just delusional.

Mr Liar International, Importer, Exporter, Lie-Water. Oya see Your Lie Lie!

Hakeem started with

hakeem4:
So that means the concept of free will is irrelevant ?

EMILO2STAY anawered

EMILO2STAY:
man now knows the difference between good and bad just like the angels. Man is now left to make their own decisions to choose what is good or bad. God has set his standard for man to follow, a part which all men know it is the good path. But those who reject the commands of God will not be part of his new kingdom.
Pls I will like you to explain more on the devine plan you mean.

Then You came to Sneakily Shift the Argument from Freewill to Freedom which is not the same thing when EMILO2STAY answered Hakeem

EMILO2STAY:
you first have to understand that there is good and evil in this world. The free will am talking about is the ability of man to choose between these( good and evil) . the laws of God are well known to man even without being commanded to us by God,.. Thou shalt not steal, thou shalt not kill etc. Man now in his fallen state, knowing fully well the meaning of their actions are can do as he pleases but every action will be brought to book.
Christ said, " I set before thee life and death choose, but I advise you choose life.
The fact that it is called free will does not mean you will go Scot free without bearing the consequences of your action.
You have to remember there is good and evil in this world. If you are not on the side of good then automatically you are on the side of evil.
So therefore you have the free will to choose between these two with out any one forcing to do it.

By Craftily saying

LordReed:
If I tell my children not to eat some pieces of candy or else I'll punish them, have I given them the freedom to eat the candy?

And we saw EMILO2STAY stand strong on the point of freewill being the issue of contention.

So You See Liar Liar, is Thou art Surely a Liar!

elated177:
The picture of the Creator of heaven and earth you painted here is wrong. You're projecting the feelings and emotions of mere mortals on the Creator of the ends of the Earth. That is wrong!

It is in man's own interest to turn away from wickedness and not in the interest of his Maker. This is because, whether human beings do good or evil, they are the ones who will enjoy or suffer the consequences.

The wicked actions of mortals can only affect them and their fellow mortals, directly or indirectly.

Like in the other response, if you provide scriptural support for your assertions, I will reconsider my stance.
El Elohe Yahshrael! Hallelu Yah!

I have shown the Emotions of the God as contained in Scriptures both Anger and Pleasure and Displeasure and I would have shown you more for it is all over the Bible, but I am exhausted and neither did I expect that No one out there does not know that God gets Angry as He is capable of being Happy.

Even, though He is Greater than us, we are truly like Him, just as it is written and as Christ has Shown us through His Parables.

elated177:
I totally disagree with your assertion. Humans cannot inflict any kind of pain or suffering on the Creator of heaven and earth. The sinful activities/wickedness of humans can only affect them and their fellow human beings. However, if you bring Scriptures to support your assertion above, I will reconsider my stance.

What you do not know that the Lord Feels Pleasure, As He Feels Pain? You Really Do Not Know!! Whow!

You do know that wrath Always Means Anger, even great Anger.

Shall A Person who is capable of being Angry and Vexed, not be be capable of receiving Pleasure and Joy?

Genesis 38:10 Judah's Sons Wickedness is it not clearly stated there "And the thing which he did displeased the Lord:"

In Genesis 6:6 was the Lord not Hurt and Pained and He suffered Anguish, Disappointment and Regret when He saw that man loved Wickedness? Or would you say He was happy?

Or in Genesis 6:9-13, would you say that He was happy to see corruption and violence on the earth?

Or is it Genesis 32:10 where God Clearly told Moses "Let me alone, that my Wrath may Wax Hot against them,..." during the golden calf episode.

Or is it when Korah and Co Challenged Moses's Authority Numbers 16, Specifically verses 20 and 21? Was God Happy there?

Or would you say that Our Lord was happy when He Chastised the scribes and Pharisees in Mathew 23:1-39?

In Genesis 1:31 would you say that the Lord was very pleased with His Work of Creation?

Or is it Solomon's Request in 1 king's 3:5-15 Particularly verse 10 which states " And the speech pleased the Lord,..." Until 1 King's 11, when turned to other gods Particularly 1 king's 11:9 "And the Lord was Angry With Solomon,.."

I Rest my case!

doggedfighter:
He doesn't exist that's why.

Even the weakest of humans cannot stand by and watch all the atrocious happenings or suffering and not do anything..

Why then does a loving and all powerful God watch hopelessly? Because

He exists only in people's head

Stupid, is your Buhari not standing and watching as hunger is killing y'all, kidnappers taking your monies and your father raping you, yet no response?

XXXXTENTACION:
no mind dem whats the point of having an all powerful god that could not save people from dying

E Don save the people wey wan dey saved since, Na U and dem wey E no save, No Know.

Na so una take laugh when Noah enter Ark until tsunami Kon chop una go!

IfGodbeforus:
The Life and Breathe in you , I and all over the World belongs to GOD.

We have no right to question Abba Father..

Can your vehicle Question u?

Can the food you Prepared tell you how or when to eat it?

It's foolishness to Question God Almighty..

All we need do is to Ensure we are Loyal to Him, we Obey his Commandments, we Believe and Accept Him and be ready to meet Him wherever or whenever we are called..

We all are Nothing but pencils in Hand of our Creator

Bros, no vex, no way of telling you privately, this quickly, No Be The Correct Answer you Talk so.

Your fore and five fathers don Talk Am before but e no work den, e no go work now

Alessandro9021:
I used to be a Christian. No longer. I am not sure if god exists or not, but this is not the point of the thread. My question is how can god allow kids and teenagers to starve or die


https://www.unicef.org/press-releases/child-under-15-dies-every-five-seconds-around-world-un-report

We have Told You Before, You Must Harvest what ever You Planted. It is A Law!

You can not plant elephant grass and harvest rice.

You can not plant grape and harvest Sweet Orange.

You can not plant Wickedness, evil and Death and then You think that you shall harvest Goodness and Life? Never!! Only Death, More Death and Plenty Wickedness!

And you must eat your own harvest not mine. Foolish People!

LordReed:
1. Yes I take responsibility for my actions.

2. Yes I can make choices and exercise my will but no I don't not have unqualified freedom. My freedoms are limited. I am not free to take what is not mine for instance.

No you do not have "unqualified freedom" which is not the issue, but the issue about Will to make a Choice, which you have just Admitted up there in saying

"2. Yes I can make choices and exercise my will"

Which is Proof of Freewill!

And also by your statement

"I am not free to take what is not mine for instance"

Besides the Fact That it Proves That You Are A Thief! , yes it does, you do have the will and power to take what is not yours, with the limitation and hinderance being the CONSEQUENCES of Stealing, which you know is Tire and Matches and Beatings and Lynching.

And you have just disposed the whole of this argument in favour of EMILO2STAY, who has been saying since the beginning that you are Free But All Actions Have Their Corresponding Consequences!

You Loose Again! Aha

Yippee to EMILO2STAY!

Perfectbeing:
That leaves one question, namely, should Christians fear that they have or may yet commit the unforgivable sin of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit? Perhaps you said something long ago that haunts you because of its blasphemous nature. Are you, then, guilty of this unforgivable sin, or might you be?

The answer is that, by definition, no true Christian can have committed the unforgivable sin. Jesus promised, in John 6:40, “Everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.” In fact, let me assure you that if you are worried that you may have committed the unforgivable sin that is strong testimony that you have not; if your heart were hardened enough to commit the sin you would no longer be concerned about your eternal state. Instead of pleading to Jesus you, like the Pharisees, would be plotting harm to his kingdom. If you believe and confess in your heart that Jesus is Lord and Savior, then you have accepted the Spirit’s testimony and by definition have not blasphemed against it. Regardless of blasphemous words that have fallen from your lips or thoughts. If you have believed and turned to Christ then you have not committed this sin that is revealed through unbelief and hatred for Christ. Even Simon Peter, who denied the Lord with curses on the night of his arrest, was brought to repentance and was restored by the mercy of the Lord. If you, like Peter, have sometime denied Christ out of weakness and sin, then like him you are qualified to speak about Jesus’ mercy and grace that offers forgiveness to sinners.

Please stop Misleading people with this Untrue Statement that is

"Perhaps you said something long ago that haunts you because of its blasphemous nature. Are you, then, guilty of this unforgivable sin, or might you be?
The answer is that, by definition, no true Christian can have committed the unforgivable sin"

Is it proper to say that the fact that you are forgiven of your sins, means you never sinned because you did not know it was an offence?

Would it not be Good Teaching to teach that "now you understand that you have offended God, and that your offence hurt Him, since it must hurt Him then, as it hurts Him even now, and that you are sorry for hurting Him even then, when you did not know that it was an offence?"

Would God reject an Ernest and Truthful "I'm Sorry" and Shall He Not Forgive, if in fact He Did Not Forgive Earlier, As ye think?

truespeak:
As if there would be an announcement when you die!

As if the sun would not shine when he dies or the world would even notice that he is dead! oh

truespeak:
Same as yours. The only True Teacher.

We'll talk privately, have you seen my message to you via DM

Image123:
You know what i enjoyed about this pandemic period, it gave people more time to dismiss these noisemakers on nairaland. Before now, a thread like this will have been swimming with atheist wannabes having fellowship and making jokes. But they went into hiding like rats when they saw even JW "uniting with others".

True true, brother. Especially as their pastors and churches and imams are not available to feed them with Continual Deceits!

Hence, LortReed, ah that reminds me! LooortReeeeed!! Where art thou? Have you abandoned your children? Or shall you abandon them to us?

So, LortReed ,CAPSLOCKED and Kinxsams and others, have swallowed up another set of unfounded and ungrounded Wannabe Followers of Christ, who have been decieved by their pastors, (who do not know either) that they are Christians and therefore have Qualified.

When in Truth every one is going to work and pay to Acquire the Citizenship of God's Kingdom as they do to take up America and Europe citizenship!

They are willing and ready to work for that one, yet they do not expect that they shall surely even work harder to Enter into God's Very Own House!

While we are still trying to Correct the lies spread by our ignorant Pastors, these ones still think that we shall allow them to pluck these decieved Wannabes, with the Lies that they themselves have foolishly fallen into?

Never! Not while I can, and not while I am breathing and not while I still think there is hope for my brothers who come here.

I shall continue to show that they are Liars, Murderers and the Devourers the Bible warned about.

And I shall always exposed their Lies being Unfounded Because The Truth of the Lord is Established Forever!

But my brothers do not easily see it even though they are carrying it on their heads, touching it with their hands and walking upon it, under their feet.

I have seen so much action has taken place since I went away and now I am back, no one is here.

Truespeak, are you seeing this?

truespeak:
God Has Never Punished Anyone for not taking hold of His Son, but what God is against, is the doing of wickedness, in any form and manner, done in any place and time, and to any person animal, place or thing.

That is what God said that He shall judge and measure the weight and gravity of them all, when He is Ready To Hold Court and Dispense Just Justice, Fairness, Equality and Balance.



Are you sure?

Do you know that when you wished you could kill a certain person, you have killed him, for did you not slash and stab or shoot him in your mind?

Did you not hear that God Saw all that you did and that by His Books, you have just killed?

You never steal! Ok you must have heard of covetousness!

Have you never seen another man's Beautiful Wife, and oh, how you wished she was yours, and how you said that the man does not deserve such a woman, and that if it was you, oh what wonderful things you would do to her and with her and how she shall have the best orgasm and sex ever, after all, your present wife and girlfriends can attest to your prowess, all these, you did in your mind?

Remember, God saw you do all these things to her husband and her, so let's see what your record is going to be like, with Him.

1) Obviously Adultery for taking another man's wife.
2) Coveting Another man's wife by taking her from him and depriving her from him.
3) Stealing, because the man did not give you his wife willingly and You Know that he will never give you his wife, so you took her by force.
4) Rape, for all those your bedding skills that you did to her, You Did Them Without Her Consent and Acceptance.
5) killing, for you would have to kill the man to take his wife.

All these Done before the Eyes of God.

So tell me, if little me can see all these things that you have done, how then can you truly say that you have done none of these things?

And how can you stand guiltless before Him Who saw All that You Did?

Meen! This was Beeauatiful, Splendid with Lustre and grace.

What a wonderful analysis, men, whose your teacher? how did you figure this?

Wow it is a wonderful dissection

Image123:
In other words, you are no different. i'm yet to see the logical scrutiny. All i see is frustration and gnashing of teeth mixed with some mockery from clowns.

oh! Great Shot, I saw that, I saw that Great Goal!

Xmuslim:
Your God and Muslim God don't punish people for being wicked ONLY.

In fact, the basic reason for punishment in Christianity is the rejection of Christ (in biblical concept). Not believing in Allah and Muhammad is the basis of eternal hell in Islam.

Thus, it does not matter if you are not wicked. It does not matter if you are the best in terms of goodness. What sane God punish people for eternity based on such subjective concept.

Secondly, even I don't support eternal hell for Hitler. He should be punished, but not for eternity.

So, I'm more good and more reasonable than the way your scripture declscribe God

Mr Liar, Killer, Adulterer, Thief, when did God ever punish a person for rejecting Christ? Ehn?

Oh! Wait, now you must Lie and live up to your name, Mr Liar!

kingxsamz:
A god that needs truespeak to defend his existence, is that one god?

is it Not common among you for a King to Send His Men to deal with Scoundrels?

That is what it means to be A King! He Can Not Be Bothered with trivialities!

kingxsamz:
Answer the damn question.

Are you unable to get past the question posed to you.

kingxsamz:
A god that needs truespeak to defend his existence, is that one god?

Meen Namesake, You Got Accolades! Great Job There.

Your Answers were Superb, men I gats to meet ya!

NB I have sent a DM, we need to hang out!

Hakeem12:
That's why I just don't bother. You can't argue with or convince anyone that has abandoned logic.

because logic is not True but a Lie and does not care about Truthss But Reason is Established in Truth.

And This Post Is About That Which is True and Eternal!

Not about lies and words and more lies