Alabo7978:

Oboy go and sit down.
Perekule the first was renamed pepple when the British presence became strong in the period of his reign. Ofcourse you want to bring out interview with THE BRITISH.

Opobo is Opubo hano (the chieftaincy house) he was appointed to rule.
The British renamed every godamn thing in the world...

Is there any historical record that says perekule was renamed pepple

Ekealterego:

Brother, this is not just a review, it was a special notice academically sponsored, Cambridge published and University of Swansea backed rejection of a fraud.

The book was about Bonny, which at that time became a tool for propaganda rather than true academic work.

Going through its one by one

1. University of Swansea and Cambridge University thought this was a roadside and hungry beer parlour historians that wrote the history about Bonny.

This is a very disappointing little book. On picking it up I thought that
Ibadan University Press had taken the enterprising step of publishing a history
of one of the most important Niger delta towns, written by a local historian who
had not been trained at a University.

2. Here, it states that Algoa falsified the original manuscript and history with his own fantasies.

I hoped and assumed that Dr Alagoa's
contribution would be restricted to scholarly annotation, and perhaps a separate
comment. But instead, Mr Fombo's manuscript, originally acquired by Professor
Anene in I963 and now in the Africana Collection of the University of Ibadan,
has been completely submerged by Dr Alagoa's new text.

3. Alagoa being a fraud again rewriting history and replacing academic history with his own falsification. A serious academic crime
What is worse is that
the new text is neither very scholarly nor very interesting. As the title suggests,
it is a chronicle, and a bare one. There is virtually no attempt at interpretation
at all, just a sequence of kings and events.

4. Alagoa failed to use references (Biggest academic sin) and decided not to use original history

The references which are made are mostly to secondary sources, and almost completely ignore the main source for
the Niger coast, F.O. 84 (Slave Trade).
There are no references given for the photographs, a characteristic regrettably common in Nigerian histories. Thus
this book does little but reveal the need for a proper history of Bonny, a worth-while project for which there is abundant material. In it, this chronicle will deserve a footnote. In the meantime, Ibadan University Press could consider giving us Mr Fombo's original text. Then perhaps they could follow it up with the work of other local historians such as E. N. Amaku of Calabar.

5. In case you don't understand, Alagoa was fraudulently replacing some key people, names and ethnicity with his own. That is what they meant by "bowdlerize".

But let us have the original script intact, before the scholars bowdlerize it out of recognition.


In summary, Bonny's history was fraudulently rewritten by Alagoa. What a shame! They called him a roadside historian while committing academic sin.

You need to post this in page one

ChinenyeN:


Okay, so all you’ve got left for today is just back and forth over post length; nothing else e ji ba whne ochi? Alright, well this banter was entertaining while it lasted, I guess.

What are you talking about madam?

I can't even make meaning out of all the comments you have made here.
you be clown o

ChinenyeN:

Lool. You’re really grasping at straws with your hypertension. Ma o buu ke, ya bu kaa. Lol. I di l’ishi onwu ma o dinuu ke ng’idabamarna gh.

At this point now, I’m just intrigued and wondering how you even managed to lie to yourself like this. Mgbamgba erne nkoro gh for real, but it’s okay. Ba m whne ochi nwanne lei; ma turu ndu manu weee. Hehe.

Back to the long chronicles.

Lol,You be small pikin this ijo girl.
And try make sense for your comment abeg

ChinenyeN:


Loool. Please, everyone who has interacted with me on NL knows this is my writing style. You’ve made no points with this. Next statement. Ba m whne ochi la o ma mma. Keep me entertained.

Now you are trying to keep your irrelevant comments as short as possible.
LOOOLs

Nwanyi ijo. Asawana o Egberifa Izon, Yaa!!

LOOOOOLs

ChinenyeN:


Lol. You’re fighting an uphill battle. My post history shows that I am both very much Igbo and a man (most names are unisex in Ngwa, if you don’t know). There is really no chance that you have here, and it’s amusing. You’re really giving yourself hypertension over this. It’s unfortunate how much you’ve indoctrinated yourself with your own ideals that you are spending countless hours lying to yourself and being angry with someone who isn’t angry with you (a.k.a me).

Years of “Igbo bu Igbo” and “Igbo bu otu” knee-jerk reaction has culminated into this sadness. All I really need to do is kpooru; di d’ele, because you’re doing this to yourself. Nwanne, free yourself from the shackles of your own self-indoctrination.

Giving myself Hypertension?
Iyasikwa.
Read my comments and read yours, I'm not the one who spent time Writing Epistles and chronicles to Convince someone that I'm Igbo.


Asawana Egberifa izon, yaa!!

ChinenyeN:

Typical of you people on this platform. You people think you are the “real Igbo”. Sorry to tell you, but there’s nothing like real Igbo or adulterated Igbo, my guy. We’re all Igbo here. Please don’t make yourself out to look unnecessarily foolish this day. It’s sad. I di l’ikohnu nkohnu l’ezi.

Yes we are all Igbo but Woman, you are not Igbo, you should be proud of Your ijo Ethnic group.
This Impersonation will not help you in any way.

ChinenyeN:

Kutu jii. Otherwise, o ga-adi ka i na-ekwu maka onwe gi. O bughi m.

Childish & Typical,you think if you continue regurgitating that adulterated ngwa dialet that may be one day we will accept that you are igbo.
If you Ijaws failed woafully at your repeated lies becoming the truth as regards bonny & Opobo is it at this one you will succeed?
Learner.

ChinenyeN:

I maala whne agu? O nu m la i maa ta o bu la nkohnu ndi ikohnu gh. Nsogbu adighi. O ga-adiri Igbo na mma, but you, maybe not so much.

Continue FOOLING YOURSELF.

ChinenyeN:
Alright. Let me come and finish addressing the rest of your post.

#1. While it is true that Ndoki villages have ancestral relations with other Igbo-speaking culture groups, the existence of Ijaw elements in Ndoki as well as historical relations with Ijaw cannot be denied. As a case in point, one of the Ndoki village groups has some Ijaw-derived place names. Even more so the name "Ndoki" is a name adopted from an Ijaw expression. However, you are correct. Ndoki are not Ijaw in diaspora.

#2. Opara Ndoli was neither a king nor a founder. Opara Ndoli was simply an Opara (eldest male member). As was the culture of the people, Ndoli, being an Opara, held sacred authority and served as a custodian of the community. It was his responsibility to interpret the communal laws, settle disputes and officiate any of the ceremonies, rights and rituals of the people. Currently, oral traditions state that Opara Ndoli never made it to the final destination. He died at the last sojourn. Actual kingship did not manifest in Bonny until the time of Asimini. It was during their interaction with the Portuguese that Asimini effectively became the first king of Bonny. Or, perhaps it is better stated that the shift towards monarchy began at this point, and Bonny's history as a kingdom starts here.

#3. I already covered that earlier.

Your item #4 is duplicated (you have two #4s). So I will simply answer as such:

#4.1 No problem here. The information is correct.

#4.2 Today's Ibani music is undoubtedly Ijaw. At the very least, Ibani music is dominated by Ijaw cultural themes, from the style of play to the instruments used. Bonny's current musical culture is heavily connected with the canoe house system that was introduced some time later in Bonny history. In fact, one might be able to say that the music culture is as a result of the canoe house system. However, details about the music culture prior to the introduction of the canoe house system are scant and not enough to develop an idea of what music was like in Bonny's earliest days. Nwutam was also introduced later in Bonny history. By the time it was introduced, in fact, the canoe house system was already firmly in place. Hence why the Ibani Nwutam performance is rather distinct, while in the Ngwa-Ndoki axis, Nwutam is just a masquerade. Owuogbo is not an Igbo festival. Its origin is Ijaw. The owu-named performances you see in Abia and Imo are as a result of cultural diffusion.

#5. Bonny and Opobo are both Ijaw-speaking and Igbo-speaking populations (Opobo leans more heavily toward the Igbo-speaking side).

#6. I already addressed that.

#5 (you repeated your numbering again) This is actually not a lie. It's a truthful statement. BUT... it does not do much to further your premise since Ibani is just as much connected to Igbo as it is to Ijaw.

How no one saw all this Red flags littered her back then Surprise me.

I keep shouting it on Facebook during argument that that man is a total Fraud.

Ekealterego:

One would think you are accusing Alagoa falsely, but even peer reviews and reputable minds called his book a Fraud.
Look at Latham, one of the leading minds in his field, have to say about Alagoa's history on Bonny.

CC: Slayerforever, Igboid, Bkayy, Ofoigbo, Vintagepipes, 9pluto,

Every Igbo man needs to see this review about Alagoa's fraudulent activity, because even European scholars and international Journal had flagged Alagoa's frauds long ago.

I'm in shock over this review on Alagoa's bonny history

Ekealterego:

One would think you are accusing Alagoa falsely, but even peer reviews and reputable minds called his book a Fraud.
Look at Latham, one of the leading minds in his field, have to say about Alagoa's history on Bonny.

CC: Slayerforever, Igboid, Bkayy, Ofoigbo, Vintagepipes

Every Igbo man needs to see this review about Alagoa's fraudulent activity.

Jesus.
So it's true

Alabo7978:

He didn't say so, your white man said so.

And by the way, the only reason ndoki even have some ties with Bonny was because Asimini married off his granddaughter Kambasa off to an ndoki man to Foster trade relations with the hinterlands, Kambasa didn't like that place, and once her father died she returned back to okolo-ama leaving her husband behind.
Your white man didn't even mention that because he didn't know how to communicate with the locals in the dialect so he just gather few facts to HURRIEDLY arrange a report or thesis.
If not for Kambasa marrying an ndoki man, the few IBO freemen wouldn't have been free.

Is there any prehistoric document to support this your fairytale imagination?

Eastlink:
I think we need to open a thread on this fraudulent Perekule the Ijaws keep using for King Pepple. I open the thread and one uninformed admin sent it to food section. We can use the opportunity to tell the true story of King Pepple, his Igbo name, his Igbo origin and his exploits. At least unlike the Ijaws, we use facts to back up our findings.
What do you think Slayerforever?

I'm with you brother

IDENNAA:



Ignore him. He is an attention seeker, and no he is not Ijaw. He is butthurt because we used to mock and bully him here....lol. I used to mock and denigrate his ngwa people as culturally inferior, though , I don't do those things anymore. Odumchi and other also used to tease him for writing gibberish nobody could read. Chinenye Igbo hate started on Nairaland and now he is an Ijaw ally.

The only tradition of his people he remembered is egwu mgbede....lmao

He is Ijaw, I don't know why some of you are dumb not to see it

ChinenyeN:


The fans continue to roll in. Do you know how icons, myths and gods are created? Their names are always in someone else mouth. For a long time I thought I should be arguing with you all, because I thought you all didn’t know better. But now I know that I should have seen the signs all along. You simply won’t leave me alone, because your obsession with me is too much for you all to contain. You MUST let it out. I see that now. I no longer need take you all seriously. You all already do a good enough job of taking your own selves too seriously. No need for me to intrude on that front.

Eke lei. I have some weird fans, but it’s okay.

Look at the long note you just gave me as a response,read it again,does it make any sense to you?

Igboid:


The he-she lost her veneer easily.
lol those years of masquerading lost just like that. Hehe!

She got really choked with the fact that her people were getting beating and their lies destroyed,I can understand why she lost it and exposed herself.

ChinenyeN:
Alabo7978, I’m surprised you’re still going at it with them for this long. This back and forth is ahistorical. And at the end of the day, it is a contest of stamina not actual traditions and history. Igbo propagandists don’t care about actual oral history and traditions and they certainly don’t care about what you may have to say. They will outlast you in this argument out of sheer hubris and call it a win for themselves.

You just couldn't hide who you are anymore.
You Ijaws are getting choked.

SaintBishop:
Worthless and good for nothing smelling abomination go to Bonny and call them Igbo now let's see the outcome pig like you who have never been to Bonny they brag your 419 mouth, foolish monkey. We won't do anything na that same Bonny people that will send you Unwanted Jews to the great beyond.

You think I'm here to exchange childish Banter with you

SlayerForever:
Nembe are Igbo people. It's a pity our Igbo brothers in Bayelsa have had their environment destroyed.

There are things we don't crack stupid jokes if not people will not know when we are serious.
After saying this nonsense here will people believe you when you now make it clear that Opobo are Igbos?
Take your time nwokem

SaintBishop:
There are no igbos in Baysela not a sing soul. The day you yamaris carry your land grabbing tendency near Baysela what Wike did to you clowns in Oyigbo will be a child's play compare to what we are going to do to you lots Igbo man.

Here is an example.
https://www.nairaland.com/3793461/igbo-traders-bayelsa-shut-down

Continue chest beating you this Clown, no inch of igbo land be it Bonny or Opobo will be ceded to please you idiots.

SaintBishop:
The op is not Igbo because he speaks the truth? Fvcking clown.
And for your info, ijaws will and will always involved ourselves in unwanted lost Igbo Jews from israel business because,you are always found in involving in our business let it skin into your Igbo skull Okoro.

Look at this Ogogoro drinking clown,I didn't say you clown should stay away from igbo business rather I said you all should stay clear from igbo territory, but you didn't get that because you are already high on dry gin this morning.
By the way, which truth are you talking about?
Which truth is he say, bloody Ogogoro clown.

ChinenyeN:

It's always easy to spot someone who hasn't engaged in any real analysis of Igbo culture, language, history or identity. I encourage you to engage yourself in some research. In particular, I am recommending the following works:

Anthropology and colonial administration in Southeastern Nigeria by A. E. Afigbo (in fact, the entirety of the Ropes of Sand sindication, if you can find copies of them from Nsukka).

The role of ethnic unions in the development of Southern Nigeria by Austin Ahanotu

Among the Ibos by Thomas Basden

Bible Translation and Language Elaboration: The Igbo Experience by Uchenna Oyali

The Ibo Language report from the Archive of the Colonial Office in the U.K.

Research Work in the Ibo Region from the Archive of the Colonial Offic in the U.K. (there are at least two of these.

In Search of an Igbo Identity by Dmitri van den Bersselaar

Report on Ibo Language by Mr. N. W. Thomas, 1913 from the National Archives of Nigeria

Report on Ibo Union 1938 - 1955 from the National Archives of Nigeria

In fact, there are many more that I can share, but this should keep you busy initially and help you expand your learning and understanding of Igbo culture, language, history and identity.

I guess you actually felt good posting the nonsense above, FYI, I have been on Nairaland for 7 years, there is nothing you need to tell me, and na person wey never know you dey take clown like you serious

ChinenyeN:


The history of "Igbo identity" is complex, but I will try to sum it up. For some people who have conversed with me here on NL, this may sound like a repeat (but I think it is worth repeating).

Igbo identity is the end product of two thing. 1) The effort Europeans put into classifying and grouping communities for the purpose of effective colonial administration. 2) The shared Biafran experience. #2 is more significant than #1, but #1 actually drew the initial boundaries.

Thanks to the efforts of colonial administration, British anthropologists and ethnographers, we got a categorical definition of what "Igbo" was. For example, it is because of their effort that (Naija politics notwithstanding) we can easily recognize an "Igbo group". It's not hard, and this is thanks to the categorical definition that they provided. By the 1920s, nationalism was starting to develop in Nigeria. We saw our first set of "Igbo Union" during this period. So at this time, it was clear that some people starting to accept the categorical definition to describe themselves.

The Biafran experience is when it really solidified. The categorical definition was finally transformed into an ethnic definition by the end of the war. Igbo people (categorical definition) provided this ethnic definition by themselves, and have continued to perpetuate it (in an often fanatical manner).

So there isn't a single "starting point". It's really just the culminating effect of various events in the past.

This is trash.
A total Bullcrap

Igboid:


OP is an Aboki and his one minute of Fame starts and ends in Nairaland.
Aba and Onitsha has always been centres of Igbo nationalism as represented by Biafra movement in modern times.

Oka unu obi, go to Aba or any Ngwa village as Shout that Ngwa is not Igbo or Biafra and watch your head go off.

Ala na awi gi starts and ends here.

I advise you to flow with the cruise and stop turning it into something serious

Idafire:


Sometimes I wonder how you think if you do at all.
You and your fellow miscreants said you will come to Ijaw land and chase us away to the ocean (our abode), I laffed
Now, someone is saying he is ngwa n not Ibo. He is very close to you but none of you miscreants here have called to meet him and deal with him. Mumu.

I ask na me or my people far away where you can't get to na him una go deal with.
Yeye people.
Go and face the OP

Deal with him?
How?
Do you take mad people serious?
Beside, I know the Op very well even on Facebook and he is Not igbo.
And for your info,you and your fellow Ogogoro Ijaw people should stay clear from any igbo speaking territory

Igboid:
OP is an Aboki who was probably born in Aba and understand the local Ngwa vs Ohuhu politics very well.
He is probably using two Monikers to communicate with himself,while acting Ngwa and Ohuhu confrontation.
Funny thing is that his antics starts and ends in nairaland.
It's a wasted time. No Igbo should fall for it.

His Antic didn't Start and end on Nairaland, I know that guy, he is an Ijaw boy, he is using two fake Account on Facebook to do the same thing he is doing here

Igboid:


Ijaw is about 1.2 million maximum and this is me being generous.

Ijaw no even reach one million.
Don't forget that the people called Ijaw are only found in 3 local government in Bayelsa

RobbStark:


Come and carry us na. Sea route kee you there.
Yen yen yen yen yen.
Always making noise in Nland. Nland tiger, real life, pusssy

No body will carry you Bayelsa boy.
But no inch of Opobo will be ceded to you idiots

SaintBishop:
Mr man how does it change the facts that the ibani people are ijaws and not igbos?

Of course, the Ibani people of Finima Kilibiama and Okuama are Ijaw.

SaintBishop:
From your screenshot below you can see that the kalabaris, Wakirikes( Okrikans) the ibanis and so on are ijaws, something the Igbos keep denying on this same Nairaland.

And an Ogogoro nairalander post is ur Own Evidence?
Indeed you guys are Shameless intoxicated gin drinkers