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@Ochi-aha

I'm an Igbo, my advise for her to be careful has nothing to do with your write-ups. Don't go into tribe in this issue.

Catholics have continued to reemphasize that they don’t worship idols, but outsiders keep on saying no, you people are worshipping idols. If you worship idols, how can you deny it? Haba! You see images and condemn it, any picture of Christ you see somewhere, you have the intuition that the picture is Jesus. Any difference?

Satan has a way of fighting any right cause. Our brothers and sisters in Protestants have been deceived by the so-called founders of their churches. This is exactly what Satan wants. So, the only way Satan wants to prove Christ wrong is to use human beings who disguised themselves as men of God to pull down Catholic Church – and once this is done Christ words that the gate of Hell cannot prevail against His Church is defeated. But I know Catholic Church will continue to remain firm, in spite of all unnecessary attacks against her. You see so many people who were deceived and as a result left Catholic Church have continued to find their way back to Catholic on daily basis. No matter anything, Catholic cannot derail and we understand Satan’s tricks to get the Church out of track.

It is rare for Catholic to initiate any attack against other Churches but Protestant Churches are mostly known for attacking Catholic Church. My friends (Pilgrim) in Protestants, please let’s embrace each other.

@Bigfred,

So many Churches left because of greed. If Catholic is the problem, why do we have over 10,000 Churches today? I think we should have 2 to 3 Churches – either you believe in Catholic teaching or you believe in one Protestant Church teaching ((Catholic or one Protestant, not more than one). You can see why I said Protestants still fight among themselves when they are denied the largest share of the money.

@Bigfred
We have only one Catholic. Charismatic is a society in Catholic Church while Watchman Charismatic is not known as Catholic. Protestants Churches quarrel among themselves because they differ in so many things. So, telling me you are a Protestant is not a enough. Nobody has said we are two bodies rather we slightly differ with our teachings. I can now see why our people are destroyed for lack of knowledge, yet they believe they have knowledge.

Again, I want to know the name of Pilgrim’s Church.

I-man, I guess she might not be proud of her church but I don’t know if I guessed it right.

If at all you are real. Good, but first go alone and see the person.

I can as well recall one music they played in Nigeria, Yahoo, Yahoo oh, eeh Yahoo, Yahoo oh eeh. This is just a music, think about it too, hence you have not seen the person before.

Pilgrim, you have come again. I know you are a Protestant but e no dey enough for me at all. Mention the name of your Church. Wetin come dey difficult there? Abi, your church be one of these……? Pilgrim, just tell me the name of your Church. How can I be debating a thread with you and cannot know your denomination? Haba! Are you not proud of your Church? To know your Church matters to me. So, tell me.

Pilgrim, you are turning all my questions upside down just to wriggle yourself out. You are so smart when it comes to that.

Na flesh me I dey chew, confirmed flesh of Jesus. Come to Catholic and taste it with us. There are many miracles associated with it in the Catholic Church where the Eucharist (communion) turned to blood.

It will be nice to know your own Church Pilgrim, I want to know the NAME of your church. You know me as a Catholic, so, forget being a local church. What I need is the NAME and nothing more. This time, don’t go round the point. – the name of your church is the only answer I want. It will help me channel my questions.

Any verse that suite your point in the scripture, you take it literal, but when it fail to suit Protestants, you tell Catholics not accept it literal.

Jesus Christ made Himself clear in John Chapter 6, it is beyond human knowledge. This is the very reason, John Chapter has to be repeated in 1 Corinthians Chapter 11. Christ couldn’t be talking about symbolic bread when He said “anyone that eats His flesh and drink His blood will have life. Symbolic bread and wine cannot give you that life. That was why He made mention that the forefathers of the Israelites ate manna and were dead, but anyone that eat his body and drink His blood will abide in Him and Him in that person. Symbolic bread and wine cannot bring life hence there is no difference between symbolic bread and the manna which the Israelites ate and were dead. He distinguished His body and blood with that of manna.

Pilgrim, you too turn turn points to find your way out

You can disregard some of my posts, maybe it contain some mistakes. I have some guys here giving me problem. They want me to go out with them. Now, how do you see John Chapter 6?

Holy Communion – This is where Catholics keep on wondering what Protestants are teaching. The Holy Communion is the center of the Catholic Faith. Protestants call it a mere symbol while Catholics says it is the true Body and Blood of Jesus Christ, together with…, under the appearances of bread and wine. So, John 6 explains it all. Let us remember that even when Jesus Himself was teaching about His Body and Blood as food to be eaten, many of His disciples withdrew from Him – saying it was a hard teaching, no one could believe that. So, today it is not surprising that some sect have continued to demonstrate that the teaching is a hard one. Jesus said “I am the living bread which came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever, and the bread that I shall give for the life of the world.”.” (John 6:51). Again verses 53-58 states “I say to you, UNLESS you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, You Have No Life in you. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks My blood has Eternal Life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For My flesh is food indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood abides in Me, and I in him. “ This is a mystery – it is beyond your knowledge and it is not a mere symbol of Christ. That is why Catholic is different from protestant churches, so, Protestants can hold their views because the real founders knows they cannot play with John Chapter 6. In 1 Corinthians Chapter 11:23-31, Christ blessed the bread and wine and it became His Real Body and Blood and He broke the bread and gave it to His disciples and said “Take, eat, this is My body which is broken for you, do this in remembrance of Me.” Again, He took the cup after super, saying, “This cup is the new Covenant in My blood, drink it often in remembrance of Me.” Just read 1 Corinthians Chapter 11 and John Chapter 6 well. Anyway 1 Corinthians Chapter 11 carries curse that is why Protestant founders cannot call it the real Body and Blood of Jesus to avoid God’s wrath. They know what they are doing.

Pilgrim, Read John Chapter 6, I believe that Chapter will explain anout the body and blood of Jesus for all of us. Don't twist it. After reading, you tell me more about Communion. Remember it was because of Christ teaching that made His disciples to withdraw from Him. When they said how can this man give us his flesh and blood. Just read it well and tell me everything about it. Or, I will can copy my earlier post on John Chapter 6 and paste it for you.

Again, Jews don't have a word for cousin or nephew, every relative is addressed as brother or sister.

No, you people must provide anwsers today, no magomago answers

Jesus Christ said, the Bread and Wine receive after consecration are His true Body and Blood and it is clearly stated. Why do Protestants find it difficult to accept His teaching rather they believe bread and Wine after being consecrated are mere symbols – a teaching believe to be contrary to that of Christ? So, is the Communion Christ true Body and Blood or just a symbol? Christ also instructed us to do this as often as in memory of Him. But Protestants only carry this symbolic teaching of theirs occasionally – probably less than 6 times a year. Why?

Two questions begging for true answers

My questions are coming, only I have some guys here who doesn't want me to concentrate.

What Pilgrim answered was far from the truth. I used myself as an example and she think I have accepted in part that Mary had other children. Let’s use Igbos as example, if you are in Lagos and your town guys pay you a visit, and when next they come and fail to meet you, your neighbours will pass to you the message that your brothers came to see you. Those brothers and sisters of Jesus were siblings and not blood brothers and sisters. The ‘James’ Pilgrim made mention was His disciple, but the James referred as Jesus brother in Mark 6:3 was a sibling and not His disciple. Mary lived with John the beloved till death, and this keep many of us asking, where were her children? Prove it?

we can curse here, is this how it should be?

Locoman,
You people should answer my question, it is time to ask you people. We want concrete evidence. I take my time and go through the site you pasted.

Again, I asked you on Friday, where were Jesus brothers and Sister when Mary was handed over to John the beloved? You answer was that, Jesus brothers did not believe in jesus. Now, if Jesus brothers and sisters did not believe Jesus, did that stop Mary from being their mother? Did they not believe Mary their mother?

My brothers and sister may not believe in me, but it will not stop them from taking good care of my mother when I’m no more around.

I believe all these reasons are enough to convince you that Mary had no other children after Jesus because Mary’s sons and daughters could not be there and allowed John the beloved took care of the mother till death. It is unbelievable. So, telling us Jesus brothers and sisters did not believe in Jesus was the only reason He denied them their mother, and even Mary accepted to abandon her own children sounds somehow. I want you to produce more scriptural backings to your position.

Infant baptism, I will still come to it. But you have to answer questions today from us.

What’s the hitch about my vision? Note, you even cried a lot for help before we could rally round to cross you over.

Now, about the Criminal who was promised heaven by Christ, he had a baptism by desire on the cross. What I mean, if given the opportunity at that moment, he would have been baptized but he had no such chance. He wanted it and such people are regarded as being baptised. Again, have you not heard, teach a child the way of the Lord, when he grow, he will not depart from it? So, why waiting for a child to grow and make decision for his spiritual needs, but you make every decision for his physical needs? Let me explain again, what the scripture mean by anyone who is incapable of spiritual responsibility has nothing to do with age (not referring to children per say). Some adults can also be incapable of spiritual responsibility that is why parents or sponsors have to take care of the spiritual needs of their children after baptism. It was said that Cornelius and his household were baptized and children must be involved. According to you, Jesus Christ teaching on John Chapter 3 (NO ONE) is no longer binding on Christians?

@ all Protestants
About Infant baptism, how do you put to rights the statement of Jesus that NO ONE will enter heaven except he is born of Water and Spirit with your not baptizing children? So, these children, after death would be where hence you are against Infant baptism?

I want somebody (any of my Protestant friends) to address this question bearing in mind the two words NO ONE. You have been asking questions on catholic faith, now let us ask our own.

My Vision Last Night

In my vision last, I saw a crowd in heaven and the Angel of God tried to know their respective denominations while on earth. The Catholics and the Protestants in heaven were put at the ratio of 15:2, with Catholics had upper hand. I was there, I-man and other Catholics in this forum were there too but I was on top of them all in heaven. Pilgrim was also there and that was after much cry for help. Anyway, she made it because of her statement that she never accused Catholic direct of any idolatry. As for Locoman, Thiefofhearts and their supporters here, hum, I didn’t see them in heaven and I was really touched when I saw them in……. shouting ebos, ebos, please ask Mary to plead for us, but I said, Heh, be quiet there! Is that how to address her? Can’t you see the way we address her? They now said, ok, ebos, please ask blessed Mother Mary, Queen of Heaven & Earth to pray for us. Then, I said, blessed, sweet Mother Mary help these my friends.

Mother Mary now repeated the role she played at the wedding in Canaan. It was then that Jesus said Locoman, Thiefofhearts, PTH, and their supporters to go one side for a while and He would bring them up to heaven later. The place was neither heaven nor hell. Where is this place? Remember, Catholic believe there is a place known as Purgatory.

However, I asked Angel Michael, how the few Protestants made it to heaven. I was told these Protestants here in heaven were those who never said anything against Blessed Mary, the Mother of Christ, and have not gone against the true church. This is ebos’ vision, let him who has ears listen. Locoman, Thiefofhearts, PTH and co, please embrace Catholic faith and see us as friends.

Let them flush those criminals. I heard someone did say they criminals are training. Did they not train before going to their criminal acts? Let them train and come out, they will all be wiped out. They used to launch guerrilla attacks in the past base on information. Once they are informed of the military position, they will attack, but now, the 82 division from Enugu will not give them that chance of getting any information. They are criminals. I’m jubilating that the government is going to wipe them out.

I don't have my bible here.

@Pilgrim,
That was why I said you should read down the Mark 6:3 down. The portion said that “His mother and brothers and sister are here with us but don’t believe in Jesus. So, my question is, Didn’t Mary believe in Jesus (her son)? You can see now that another Mary was used and not Mary the Mother of Jesus, likewise those brothers as referred were not Mary’s children – I mean Mary the mother of Jesus. Another Mary was referred entirely. Again, Didn’t Joseph His foster father believe in Jesus? But that portions says Christ father did not believe in Him. I hope you get it right now?

I-man
I expect you to ask Pilgrim why Jesus on the cross handed Mary over to John the beloved who took Mary and lived with her till the rest of his life. Could Jesus be so selfish not to consider His brothers? Where were the so-called brothers and sisters then? I hope they should have taken care of Mary and not someone else. How could they defend this handover of Mary to John and her children? I-Man fire her jare.

Anyway, Pilgrim is trying, only that I want her to change her perception about Catholic. Though, her observation is friendly.

pilgrim.1:
Could you consider this as well:

Mark 6:3

"Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joses, and of Juda, and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us? And they were offended at him."

Please, read down the bible verses of that Mark 6:3. Don't stop at verse 3. Read it down, you will get the points clear about that portion you quoted.

Hope you tackle her well.

About Mary having n other children will be on Monday. Nothing will make discuss it today. I will convince you, only if you will accept. I can only read all your posts now.

@I-man,

These people are good to ask questions about Catholic this and that, but they cannot answer any question from any any Catholic person. I have 1001 questions to ask but I'm just keeping my cool to avoid causing HBP. About the Beads, Palpacy, Mary Not Having other Children after Christ - I will address them maybe on Monday. I can only read now. These people really caused me headache here.

This is the Hail Mary Prayer.

Hail Mary full of grace the Lord is with you, blessed are you among women and blessed is the fruit of your womb Jesus

Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death Amen. Glory be to the Father and to the Son and to the Holy Spirit, as it was in the beginning is now and ever shall be world without end. Amen!

Now, from the prayer, what is the worship there? We only say pray for us.
However, for some of the Catholics that pray or worship Mary, you cannot take the few ignorance and reconcile it with the true faith of what Catholics believe. If at all there is any Catholic that pray or worship Mary. Just to explain, whether una go believe at all, dat one - una sabi. I don even dey feel headache self.

These Bible portions make up the Hail Mary. Luke 1 vs 29 and Luke 1 vs 42-45. But there are other portions that make up the mysteries as stated earlier in my posts. You can help read it back again.

Luke 1 vs 29. It was Angel Gabriel that said this to Mary “ Hail, you favoured one, the Lord is with you; blessed are you among women.” Again in Luke 1 vs 42-45 - “Blessed are you among women and blessed is the fruit of your womb (Jesus)” Finally, the Church through the guide of the Holy Spirit added the last part of the Prayer which is “Holy Mary Mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death Amen.

Catholics do not WORSHIP or PRAY to Mary. Christians pray to God. What we give Mary is just the honour which she truly deserves. You can still honour your fellow human being. Now Pilgrim, I honour you because of one quality thing I have discovered in you - though, I have not seen you in person. Does that mean worship? Telling Mary to pray for us is in order. Often time we tell our Pastors or any other person to pray for us because the prayer of the righteous is powerful in the sight of God and that of a sinner abominable. The Holy ones in heaven are our brothers and sisters hence we know there is another fellowship in heaven.

locoman:
@ebos

you seem not to understand my questions, i ask,

1. Why are they using something round like a coin in place of unlevend bread and wine for the holy Communion ?

2. I ask why are you saying virgin Mary? (she was indeed a virgin when she gave birth to Jesus and there after she had other children naturally with Joseph. Yet, you always say virgin Mary.

3. Our forfathers are alive, you are quit right about that. But they are not worthy enough to advocate for us. (no one was found worthy to break the seven seal. Except the lamb who seats on the throne was found worthy).

4. you do not understand the meaning of baptism.

What you don't understand you call it a coin. The Host is bread made without yeast and when consecrated it becomes Body of Christ. So, don't call it coin again. The wine when consecrated becomes Blood of Jesus. Christ did not use His flesh and blood per say rather bread and wine. But as soon as Christ blessed them they became His Body and Blood. This is a mystery - it is beyond human knowledge. You know bread without yeast cannot rise. That is what Catholic use and in it has been so in the time of Christ. Bread without yeast. Again, I will like you to explain to me what Baptism is all about before I come out with full meaning of Baptism.

Pilgrim, I will respond, my server a bit disappointing me.

@Laudate

Thank you for the news. May his rest in peace. Amen!