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Militants training more? This is amusing, unless they want their homes and lives leveled down in a week. The only thing they can do is to carry Guerrilla warfare maybe someone betraying the Nigerian Military by giving the Militants information to carry operations. Yet, they will all be wiped out.

Speaking tongues, I find it difficult to believe that people still speak in tongues these days. They fake it all? I could remember when I was in school, a group was praying and speaking tongues, but when some niggers bounced in, shot in the air and broke bottles in that same hall, everybody kept quiet immediately. I was then wondering if the Spirit had left all of them right away. But, I believe what the bible says about speaking in tongues.

Now you have turned to say it was Elizabeth that called Mary mother and not Jesus, after your initial thought technically showed that no portion of the bible addressed Mary as the Mother of Jesus. Having now quoted a portion of the bible where Mary was addressed as the Mother of Lord (God) by Elizabeth, yet you still not accept it. Why not then prove Catholic wrong by getting rid of that portion in the bible, by this way, we will know it is only Catholic that address Mary as the Mother of God.

You claim follow Jesus, but Christ said this is My body and blood, but protestants said no, it is a symbol. Who is now going contrary to the word of God? Satan is really at work.

Baptism by Immersion or water Pouring on the head (Sprinkling), whichever one is used, it is done in the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. In the Old Testament, Baptism was foreshadowed in Ezekiel 36:25 where it is written”

“I will sprinkle clean water upon you, and you shall be clean from all your uncleanliness and from all your idols I will cleanse you.” So, in Baptism, we show that we have been saved from filth, death and doom by the resurrection of Christ, not because our bodies are washed clean by water, but because in being baptized we are turning to God and asking him to clean our hearts from sins (1 Peter 3:21). So, don’t think by immersion, you are just washing your physical body.

You said Jesus never called Mary mother. Now, in Luke 1:43 Elizabeth said “why this is granted to me that the Mother of my Lord (God) should come to me.” Please take note “Mother of my Lord (God)” Why do you say these people are dead? God said “I am not the God of the Dead.” I am the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. They are dead but now alive.

Holy Communion – This is where Catholics keep on wondering what Protestants are teaching. The Holy Communion is the center of the Catholic Faith. Protestants call it a mere symbol while Catholics says it is the true Body and Blood of Jesus Christ, together with…, under the appearances of bread and wine. So, John 6 explains it all. Let us remember that even when Jesus Himself was teaching about His Body and Blood as food to be eaten, many of His disciples withdrew from Him – saying it was a hard teaching, no one could believe that. So, today it is not surprising that some sect have continued to demonstrate that the teaching is a hard one. Jesus said “I am the living bread which came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever, and the bread that I shall give for the life of the world.”.” (John 6:51). Again verses 53-58 states “I say to you, UNLESS you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, You Have No Life in you. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks My blood has Eternal Life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For My flesh is food indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood abides in Me, and I in him. “ This is a mystery – it is beyond your knowledge and it is not a mere symbol of Christ. That is why Catholic is different from protestant churches, so, Protestants can hold their views because the real founders knows they cannot play with John Chapter 6. In 1 Corinthians Chapter 11:23-31, Christ blessed the bread and wine and it became His Real Body and Blood and He broke the bread and gave it to His disciples and said “Take, eat, this is My body which is broken for you, do this in remembrance of Me.” Again, He took the cup after super, saying, “This cup is the new Covenant in My blood, drink it often in remembrance of Me.” Just read 1 Corinthians Chapter 11 and John Chapter 6 well. Anyway 1 Corinthians Chapter 11 carries curse that is why Protestant founders cannot call it the real Body and Blood of Jesus to avoid God’s wrath. They know what they are doing.

I will still explain about the Beads and that of Mary not having other children.

@ Locoman,
You should not debate simply because others do the same. I have given you biblical references yet you have not proved me wrong. Have you not heard that the prayer of the righteous is powerful in the sight of God? Why do you kneel down before your Pastors to pray for you? Why again do you tell him to pray for you?

You said Jesus never called Mary mother. Now, in Luke 1:43 Elizabeth said “why this is granted to me that the Mother of my Lord (God) should come to me.”

Infant or Child Baptism: The bible is not against infant baptism. If there is any portion of the bible that condemn it, let me see it, rather it made remarks which shows that children should be shown the way of the Lord in life. Get it now, one who is not capable of personal responsibility is regarded as an infant. Don’t infants desire Heaven? The scripture says: “Very truly, I tel you NO ONE can enter the Kingdom of God without being born of water and Spirit.” (John 3vs5). Note the two words ‘NO ONE’ it did not say, ‘No man and woman’ but ‘NO ONE’ and here no one includes child, man and woman.

Again Cornelius and his household were baptized. Who knows if children were there?

I know, you will quote BELIEVE and be BAPTIZED, that are criteria for being saved. That is first of all believe. Now people ask can a child believe? There is no need to wait for the child to grow and make decision for himself. Parents and sponsors can make the decision for him and accept the responsibility to bring the child up in the way of the Lord. Children don’t make decisions to send themselves to school, parents do that. Parents should care for their children spiritual needs and raised them in the way of the Lord.

The children you object to their baptism as incapable of taking decision, were they not the ones who cried out in the temple saying “Hosanna to the son of David” (Matt. 21vs15). And Jesus said: “Yes, have you never read, out of the mouths of infants and nursing babies you have prepared praise for yourself?” (Matt. 21vs16).

Holy communion – coming to it.

@Pilgrim, The points pasted below about Mary are the biblical references I made already. Now, you said Rosary is not in the bible. But ebos did not write all these bible portions I stated. You have seen it in the bible, yet you still insist the honour to Mary is not biblical. If Catholics worship Mary then Angel Gabriel and Elizabeth first worshipped her. I have asked before, do you call Mary blessed? In her Magnificant, She said all generations shall her blessed (Luke 1 vs 45-55). Mary’s words have come to pass in Catholic Church, she is blessed. You cannot claim to follow Christ and fail to give honour to Mary (His Mother). You are only insulting Jesus. Do you actually know the heart of a mother watching Her Son as He passed through Calvary? The torture and the bleeding and Mary felt it. Remember, the words of Simeon when the child Jesus was presented in the Temple “that this child is destined for the rise and fall of many in Israel, but as for Mary, a sword will pierce your own heart.” Please meditate on these words and then place it side by side to mirror a Heart of Mother to her son.

I want somebody misquote me base on the below bible references. Just read it through.


The Rosary is biblical, Catholics only repeat the words which Angel Gabriel used to address Mary - Luke 1 vs 29. It was Angel Gabriel that said this to Mary “ Hail, you favoured one, the Lord is with you; blesses are you among women.” Again in Luke 1 vs 42-45 - When Mary visited Elizabeth and greeted her, the child in Elizabeth’s womb leaped for joy and there Elizabeth pronounced these words to mary “Blessed are you among women and blessed is the fruit of your womb (Jesus)” Finally, the Church through the guide of the Holy Spirit added the last part of the Prayer which is “Holy Mary Mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death Amen.

So when add Angel Gabriel and Elizabeth words – we form the Hail Mary Prayers which you condemn. Even the Beads will be explained using bible references.

Hear the Prayer: (Angel& Elizabeth) Hail Mary full of Grace, the Lord is with you. Blessed are you among women and blessed is the fruit of your womb Jesus. (then Church) Holy Mary Mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death Amen. So, there is nothing wrong to tell the Holy ones to pray for us. They are alive and see what is happening on earth. Christ said the Angels in Heaven rejoice over one sinner that repents. This Christ statement shows that the Angels and the holy Ones see everything that happens on earth. You too can tell your Pastors to pray for you hence I know it is in the bible.

The above mysteries and many more not stated here constitutes what Catholics recite in the Rosary. You can see that it is purely biblical. Let us not talk what we don't know, though, each person is entitled to his or her opinion as long as the person is careful with the way words are used.

LIGHT MYSTERIES FIRST and its Bible backings

However, I can go on and on to state the Biblical recitation of the Rosary but I may have to leave the rest of the Mysteries and talk about Pope.[

b]1. The Baptism in the Jordan [/b]
And a voice came from the heavens, saying, "This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased." (Mt. 3:17)

2. The Wedding at Cana
"Women, how does your concern affect me? My hour has not yet come." His mother said to the servers, "Do whatever he tells you." (Jn 2:1-12)

3. The Proclamation of the Kingdom of God
"This is the time of fulfillment. The kingdom of God is at hand. Repent, and believe in the gospel." (Mk 1:15)

4. The Transfiguration
While he was praying his face changed in appearance and his clothing became dazzling white. (Lk9:29)

5. The Institution of the Eucharist
Before the feast of Passover, Jesus knew that his hour had come to pass from this world to the Father. He loved his own in the world and he loved them to the end. (Jn 13:1)

We have four Mysteries in the Rosary and we reflect upon them. (1) Joyful Mysteries (2) light Mysteries (3) Sorrowful mysteries (4) glorious Mysteries. A Chaplet is 5 Decades and a Full rosary is 20 decades.

Now I can discuss JOYFUL MYSTERIES FIRST and its Bible backing because we reflect on each Mystery

1. The Annunciation
The angel Gabriel was sent from God to a town of Galilee called Nazareth. And coming to Mary, he said, "Hail, favored one! The Lord is with you." (Lk 1:26-28)

2. The Visitation
Mary set out and traveled to the house of Zechariah and greeted Elizabeth. When Elizabeth heard Mary’s greeting, the infant leaped in her womb, and Elizabeth, filled with the Holy Spirit, cried out in a loud voice and said, "Most blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb." (Lk 1:39-45)

3. The Birth of Our Lord
And Mary gave birth to her firstborn son. She wrapped him in swaddling clothes and laid him in a manger . . . And suddenly there was a multitude of the heavenly host praising God and saying: "Glory to God in the highest and on earth peace to those
on whom his favor rests." (Lk 2:1-20)

4. The Presentation in the Temple
Mary and Joseph took the baby Jesus to the Temple to present him to the Lord. At the temple Simeon and Anna came forward, gave thanks to God and spoke about Jesus to all who were present. (Lk 2:22-38)

5. The Finding of the Child Jesus in the Temple
The boy Jesus remained behind in Jerusalem, but his parents did not know it. After three days they found him in the temple, sitting in the midst of the teachers, listening to them and asking them questions. (Lk 2:41-50)

But Catholic started using Beads before Moslems. They imitated us and we cannot because they are using it and stop it. We have Altar of God, and Satan imitated, so today we still have Altar of Baals. The imitation can not invalidate the Altar of God or Catholic using Beads in the Rosary

The Beads was first used by Saint Dominic whom Mary visited and instructed to initiate the Hail Mary Prayers and this Rosary performed wonders when Sanit Dominic first used it. The miracles that followed it made it possible for Catholics to believe that Holy May visited this Saint mentioned above. Remember the three popular children at Fatima. Mary also visited them and instructed them to always pray the Rosary. The Story is not known by only Catholics. It happened and everybody including non Catholics witnessed the Miracle. The Beads helps to determine how many decades of it you pray because each decade has a Mystery to reflect upon, and it indicate the life of Christ here on earth. However, what is pronounced should be of much importance than the Beads. All the Mysteries that make the Rosary will be stated soonest.

But now you can see that the Rosary is biblical? Is the beads the problem now, but you was initially asking if it was biblical? Though, I will still explain about the beads

Also remember in Luke 1vs 46-55 Mary sang a song and said from now henceforth all generations shall call me blessed. Do you call her blessed? If God could grant her that honour or favour despite billions of women in the word, who are you to say Catholics you should not honour her. Even here on earth, no one ridicules your mother and you let that person go free. Now you feel bold to say that Mary (Mother of Christ) does not deserve the honour which Catholic gives to her. No other denomination(s) that gives May this honour which she sang in her song except Catholic, and all these put together, we will be able to identify the true Church.

@Locoman

The Rosary is biblical, Catholics only repeat the words which Angel Gabriel used to address Mary - Luke 1 vs 29. It was Angel Gabriel that said this to Mary “ Hail, you favoured one, the Lord is with you; blesses are you among women.” Again in Luke 1 vs 42-45 - When Mary visited Elizabeth and greeted her, the child in Elizabeth’s womb leaped for joy and there Elizabeth pronounced these words to mary “Blessed are you among women and blessed is the fruit of your womb (Jesus)” Finally, the Church through the guide of the Holy Spirit added the last part of the Prayer which is “Holy Mary Mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death Amen. Hail”

So when add Angel Gabriel and Elizabeth words – we form the Hail Mary Prayers which you condemn.

Hear the Prayer: (Angel& Elizabeth) Hail Mary full of Grace, the Lord is with you. Blessed are you among women and blessed is the fruit of your womb Jesus. (then Church) Holy Mary Mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death Amen. So, there is nothing wrong to tell the Holy ones to pray for us. They are alive and see what is happening on earth. Christ said the Angels in Heaven rejoice over one sinner that repents. This Christ statement shows that the Angels and the holy Ones see everything that happens on earth. You too can tell your Pastors to pray for you hence I know it is in the bible.

@ Thiefofheart
That is what I’m saying. You didn’t even understand my statement. I did not say some homes have Images of Doves and Lions. What I said was – by saying the Holy Spirit descended on the Apostles like a Dove, it then means you have formed Imageries in your mind or oral expression. From Imageries which is oral expression Images appear which is drawing or moulding or pictures. Image is a bit different from Imageries. When I talk of Imageries I’m talking of Figure of Speech. So, you can get me right now and stop abusive languages. I know, tomorrow I will scan a Watch Tower Magazine of Jehovah Witness that has Jesus Christ Pictures on it. It will be pasted here to prove you wrong. Jesus is the Lion of Judah – Imageries and not Image. It is a figure of Speech (Metaphor). So, why are you addressing Christ as animal since God said you should not compare or liken Him with anything?

@Banderers
We all know that the Head of the Church is Jesus, but here on earth we have visible Head of the Church. Was Peter not the visible of the Church on earth? I'm talking of hierarchy to keep orderliness in Christ Church on earth.

@ Thiefofheart
You have started insult, you can back-off quietly if you are here to use abusive languages. I cannot discuss this thread with you if you continue this way. Nobody has used that word “madness or whatever here. @Topic: You mean you have not seen Protestants drawing Christ Pictures on Banners or Books like Watch Tower printed by Jehovah Witness. Those drawings or pictures are images and when you compare Christ or God with animals (Lion of Judah or Lamb of God, even birds like dove as Holy Spirit – you are talking of Imageries because they are orally expressions. Should you do that as a Christian hence you condemn Images and Imageries? Again,.

What do you understand word Papacy? We are only referring the Office of Pope which St Peter was and acted as the Head of Xtians. The change of name does not necessarily matter, hence Pope in simple term means Head. You can call him Pope or Head of Christians or even Bishop of Rome. I have told you before that God approve hierarchy and Christ could not have left His Church without a Leader. There must be orderliness. No Church on earth today can claim oneness as prayed by Christ except Catholic Church. “My Church shall be one and the Gate of Hell cannot prevail against it. I’m still wondering if Catholic Church is not the true Church, then which one enjoys the oneness? Just mention the church.

I will explain to you the genealogy of St Peter to Pope Sylvester – where I derive my real name Sylvester. Be prepared to read. Pilgrim, na wah o, soft pedal o! Is this multiple war heads?

Well, guys can't allow me to concentrate. Just give me 30-45mins. I will address you, they want to tear me in 6 here.

@Pilgrim Read

St. Clement of Rome, who knew both of these Apostles personally, himself asserted: "The apostles have preached the gospel to us from the Lord Jesus Christ; Jesus Christ from God. Christ therefore was sent forth by God, and the Apostles by Christ . . . Our apostles also knew through our Lord Jesus Christ that there would be strife on account of the office of the episcopate. For this reason, they appointed those (ministers) already mentioned, and afterwards gave instructions that other approved men should succeed them in the ministry" (Letter to Corinthians, 42; 44).
Clement's namesake of Alexandria in like manner speaks of the organization of the Church in Asia Minor: "When he (St. John the Evangelist) returned to Ephesus from the Isle of Patmos after the tyrant's death, he visited the neighboring nations by request, partly to appoint bishops, partly to organize and form whole churches, partly also that he might enroll in the clergy any of those whom the Spirit had designated" (How Shall the Rich be Saved!, 42).
Clement of Alexandria wrote a century after John's death, but a hundred years previously this same notion of episcopal authority in the Church in succession to the Apostles had been stressed by St. Ignatius, Bishop of Antioch, who knew John personally: "Let no man do anything connected with the Church without the bishop . . . Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude (of faithful) also be, even as wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church" (Smyrneans, .
Here about 107 A.D. occurs the first use known of the term "Catholic." By coincidence the name seems to have originated in Antioch, first point of contact of the Church with the Gentile world, where already it had received the name Christian: "In Antioch the disciples were for the first time called Christians" (Acts 11:26). Later St. Pacian of Barcelona correlated these terms: "Christian is my name, and Catholic my surname."

@Pilgrim
Yea, I have already concluded, but I love listening to others, principally the way you follow it all makes me to listen, even as I read Islamic Books but that does not make me believe. I can respect them when I read their books about them only if the stuffing worth the respect. I can tell you the origin of Catholic Church but you may not believe any atom. So, needless going to it?

pilgrim.1:
Okay, I agree with you - as long as we do so as lovingly as we possibly could.

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Lol, ebos. You shouldn't assume that every person you converse with MUST actually be hanging pictures of "Jesus Christ" in their houses. If you rather seek to understand WHY people have their convictions on certain issues, it would go a long way to sort out issues. Abi?

Pilgrim, You know, I need to point that too. Some people do forget their own mistakes. I cannot imagine someone who hang Jesus pictures in his house pointing accusing fingers at Catholic Church. You may not understand what I mean. Even, if the person don't have the pictures in his house, at least his heart tells him that the picture(s) hanging there is Jesus. However, I love hearing your points on why those Images are wrong. That is why we are sharing. If you can convince me, good, but I doubt if it will be possible.

@Locoman,

Let me ask you again, even as I have stated this somewhere in another thread. Why do you hang Jesus Christ pictures in your house? Don’t you know that pictures are still images? Why do you liken God to a Lamb? Don’t you know that a Lamb is Imageries? Why do you liken the Holy Spirit to a Dove – Bird? Don’t you know it is Imageries? Have you not read in the bible where God said “you should not make any images or liken Him with anything in Heaven or on earth or beneath the earth" Remember the Covenant Box used by the Israelites to serve God in the Old Testament was an Image of wood caved by a human being, yet God approved it and manifested His Spirit and Powers in it. When you answer these questions, then, I will address you. Though, you are entitled to your belief.

I-man:
Everyone knows exactly how or when a particular denomination started-We know,for instance, that King Henry VIII was behind the Anglican Church and that Martin Luther was behind the Lutherans or that John Wesley was behind the Methodists.

Nobody seems to have a credible explanation about how the Catholic Church started.If it has nothing to do with the early Christian Church,then who started it,when and how?

Good! This is a question begging for answer, unfortunately, nobody has answered it but they will be fast enough to tell you that Catholic is not the true Church. I know Catholic follow Oral Traditions which the early Apostles instructed Christians to do, yet these our Protestant friends will question if they are in the bible. But who wrote the bible? You discover the simple answer to this question is given in one word - CATHOLIC.

@Pilgrim

Ok, hoping it will not be referred to a renowned denomination

@Pilgrim & Co

You see I find it difficult to believe that most so-called Pastors in the Protestant Churches are real anointed men of God. Though, I believe some might be good Christians but cannot classify them as having been anointed because their anointing cannot be traced to the Apostles. The problems Christians keep on having today is summarized in one word GREED. This is the major reason those who think they are called by God have continued to establish churches in every street.

@Locoman

Then condemn all Jesus Christ pictures in your house and stop having the intuition that those pictures are Jesus in any place you see them. They are all images.

pilgrim.1:
No one needs to be confused. Just mirror what the Roman Catholic Church teaches against the Word of God, and things will become clear to you. Hope that's not too hard to do?

I can't understand what is against the Word of God Catholic Church is teaching. This is a serious attack that has no proof. Catholic Church remain the true church. It is undisputable.

sorich:
First of all, i think the question poll should be removed, who am i to judge if Pastor Tunde Bakare's prophecies are from God. When he prophecied that Obasanjo will die, do we know if Obasanjo went running to God to forgive him, no one knows. I will not be the one to judge if he's a man of God or not because his prophecy did not come to pass. God is merciful, when i was serving, a devoted christian sister got pregnant and everybody was shocked, people started castigating her and all what not, according to what i heard she went before the father and begged for forgiveness and remember God is merciful but people still continued judging and castigating her meanwhile the person she sinned against am sure had forgiven her.

Seun and all the people castigating pastor tunde, i wonder if you guys are the epitome of perfection because your so quick to judge and pull down. The ways of men are not the ways of God.
Do not judge

By wondering if we are epitome of perfection simply means you are judging. So, leave comment.

@redsun

Not all that glitters are gold. I so much believe in my God. If only George Busy can set his eyes on Bin Laden – 6ft will be Bin Laden’s next accommodation. Do not believe Bush and Osama are business partners. You better not deceive or discouraging people from worshipping the Living God. I’m so depressed that I wonder why you should be making such statements against religion. Redsun, you better have a rethink before you incur God’s wrath. That’s my humble advise for you.

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The criminals that kidnapped the 3-year old girls are cooling off in Police Net. Check out link.

http://www.sunnewsonline.com/webpages/news/national/2007/aug/21/national-21-08-2007-001.htm