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Ancecoker:

From her finger u go know say this one na Egbon...

You can't evade nature

Put your hand side by side with hers let's see.

Putindbutt:
Do i blame you?
There's something about you guys that is not alright. Perhaps, a kind of sickness that can never get a cure.

Why can't you correct her foolish talks, seeing her talk down on the reputation of Ted talk like illiterate market women gossips. As foolishly as you were trying to bring the standards of UI into disrepute on the front page.

Just to satisfy your lies,fabrications, condescending narratives, you wouldn't care to tarnish the image of reputable institutions both home & abroad which your generations can never attain.

First, it was UI, now it is Ted talk & you wonder why sensible people see you as a fool.

Talk with small sense.... Did the person who raised the issue about UI not bring evidence of publications and all the scholarly sins Alagoa commited. Was it not published on Cambridge and Swansea? Didn't they call out UI in the mistake?

Strange you call the girl market woman talk, while you just literarily dumbed down the whole talk.

Alabo7978:
ok now it's "the warri was a mistake"
keep making mistakes because you're a liar, and if I didn't pin point it by calling the surname, you would have upheld the nonesense claim.
but Mr Man, I have told you a billion times my clan isn't ijo, so I'm not claiming anyone.
I am a Nembe guy(within the ijo clan) but to the outsiders I am an ijo man.

just as you could be an nsukka man inside the IBO nation but to the outsiders you are an IBO man.
please stop coming into the ijo nation to claim a clan for your nation. This is the height of land grabbing.
Mr Man you don't have an Eze or igwe or ichie in Bonny or Opubo. The IBO people there are people who were allowed to live there.
mind your ethnic group.

and like I said, I agree, the lady is warri.
don't quote me again.

It seems you are mentally challenged. I wanted to use Warri as a form of sacarcism and later changed my mind but forget to change the name.

Are you blind, can't you see the woman boldly wrote Bonny as her home town?

You doubted her origin first. She never mentioned Ijaw in any of her statement to start with.

By Igbo, she means her grandmum is from the South-East.

You cannot remove their origin never!

Alabo7978:
lol, but she said she's a Bonny woman and her grandma is IBO.
did you see how dinsticnt her explanation made it?
you blurred her name, but I'm seeing a surname with Alagbiriya.(Alagbiriye) a popular Bonny name and the oldest chieftaincy house name in Bonny. but you say it's warri.
no wahala, I agree.

I don't want us to drag the debate so we won't cover that excerpt from liebermantic.
he should come and show us the full Excerpt.
don't quote please, I agree, she's a warri girl.

the Warri was a mistake which I corrected already.

This man don't stress me with your passion to eliminate people's culture.

If you are doing this to Bonny people in far away River state and threatening them with violence, I can't imagine how much you are doing to Minorities in Bayelsa..
You guys are so desperate to wipe people's identity away.

When Igboid and Bkayy were saying this, I actually thought it was a figure of speech until I witnessed this with my eye digitally.

Alabo7978:
Your explanation and your screenshots are always water and oil.
Your talk goes another direction while the screenshot another way. The woman claims her mother or Grand ma is IGBO but SHE A BONNY WOMAN. But you no understand am.

You claim to know Bonny, and you don't know their surname. That's an original Bonny girl.

I understand that your level of reasoning and the ability to interpret information is abysmally as well..

I blur their name because of their privacy. I am using their statements in parts unknown to them, it's only logical you respect their rights to privacy to remove their name and anonymize them as much as possible.

Next time, add it to the list of what civilised people do.

ThickSharon123:
Dede, hmmm... This people are serious with their attempts. nnukwa!!

Adamazi, it is super serious. When they speak their own mothertongue, you will find Ijaw people threatening them with piracy and invasion and throwing them into the ocean.

I'm wondering why they are threatening physical violence on the good Igbo people of Bonny.

ThickSharon123:
I checked his video on Ted. It's been about two years, and guess his views, 938 or thereabout. I was shocked, perhaps Ted talks knows, or the audience know about is fraudulent position.

Ted talks that use to hit 10 million if your talk is truth, factual and scientific. Perhaps the audience knows it's tales by the moonlight.

Check this thread, they were all thretned to speak Ibani (a dead language) by force. A big fight ensued which threatened to divide the island in two.

The Real Bonny wants to maintain Igbo but IYC and their ijaw agents in Bonny were threatening them with violence, when it didn't work, they threatened to find a new king in Finima so Finima will break away since they are bit more closer to Kalahari, although they are a tiny minority.

CC: 9pluto, Igboid, Bkayy, Slayerforever, Idenna, Vintagepipes.

On the other hand, Opobo is harder for them to break because those one do not even have any minority speaking any strange language.

ThickSharon123:
I checked his video on Ted. It's been about two years, and guess his views, 938 or thereabout. I was shocked, perhaps Ted talks knows, or the audience know about is fraudulent position.

Ted talks that use to hit 10 million if your talk is truth, factual and scientific. Perhaps the audience knows it's tales by the moonlight.

Wow what a disaster. I was banned yesterday by antispambot.

The Algao really caused damages. Do you know Bonny people were forced to read his history and believe his history.

A few months ago, Bonny was literarily fighting to keep their language. The majority Igbo speakers had to fight a serious dividing fight against Ijaw expansionist who brought an Ibani book and told them that they MUST STOP speaking Igbo.

BKayy:
True, Language is dynamic but one question Southerners should be asking themselves is "who exactly are these modern Ijaw people"
Both what you posted and reports from Baikie clearly states that Oru and Nembe are Igbo speaking areas and are still today. Nembe's own only comes out when dispute arises.

This is a whole big topic that will lead to so many different rabbit holes.

You can still see the metamorphosis of the Oru and acculturalisation or switch till today.
Oru are not technically split between from the Igbos into forming "Ijoid" groups..
From Ukwani (Aboh), Egbema, Ndoni, Ogbaru, Oguta and many of the places in around those areas are the home base of the ancient Orus...
The one who ventured down the Orashi and the Niger River towards the Atlantic shaped the modern Bayelsa and many other places.

For the ones still experiencing the metamorphosis, you can see it in Biseni people. Till today, most Biseni people, their great great father and surnames are 100% Igbos with some aspect of their culture but politically, they are either independent or politically a different group. Many didn't lose their names or culture, but they lost or evolved their language.

I don't know exactly when the sea pirates left their boats to influence these areas which they "infested" but something culturally significant was clearly evolving.

This is what the Ijos hang on or use to intimidate these minorities into submission because they have been able to get a collection of Igboid, Edoid and Ibibiod people.

If for instance they want to brainwash Abua/Odual and Andoni people, they will send representatives from Ogbia/Kugbo and send them in the name of "Ijaws".


Read here, Glynn 120 years ago, was trying to explain how Okirika language was evolving and changing into a new language from the base Igbo language.

BKayy:
Oru was never and will never be Ijaw.

The question that should be asked concerning the Comparison of Words Baikie got from Isuama, Oru and Nembe Districts and the one he got from Pepple is not whether Bonny is Igbo but how Igbo Nembe is

SlayerForever has been saying this, Nnamdi Kanu has been hammering on it but now it is becoming obvious to the blind. Judging from the attack on Nembe Palace by the Youths and the language spoken in the Video with the report from Baikie, One need to ask himself "when Nembe started being Ijaw"

Baikie stated that "Throughout the district of Nembe, Oru and Bonny all spoke but one language"
From his report and the words he got from Pepple, that is three (Nembe, Oru and Isuama) are what he saw while that of Bonny was what he got from Pepple in a haste , one will notice that Nembe and Oru spoke in FULL IGBO.
The question is where are the words spoken today in Bonny there?
The answer is still from Baikie's book. Look at the part he described the condition he met Pepple. His health and otherwise.

Having said that, I will like to clarify the "idol" part where he recorded "ọwụ" for Nembe and Oru but juju for Bonny and Isuama.
The ọwụ he recorded for Nembe and Oru is still Igbo (Aboh dialect) for charm. Northern Igbo call it "ọgwụ"

The "orisa" part is obvious Igbo as recorded in the book. The people of Aboh call God "Orisa".
Most of Northern Igboland maintain the word "Olisa" for God. That's why we have the name NwaOlisa, Olisa etc.

Ekealterego, Ofoigbo and Igboid , are you guys seeing undeniable facts in SlayerForever and MNK's ascertion in the Igboness of Nembe and Parts of Bayelsa respectively?

The reason why I don't want to go too deep into that one is that a whole lot changed in those areas since the past 100 years and the analysis can only be best done by UNBIASED erudite historians.

But this brings my mind to Dr. Horton in 1860s... Definitely Bonny didn't change.

However, Okirika did change linguistically or at least evolved and fused into something different because those areas are new settlements.

See this reason why I didn't dig out Horton because it will lead us down a different rabbit hole. Let's stick to Bonny.

Just to show you a snippet of Horton.

Read this excerpt. 1864-6

Vintagepipes:
I can help out here:
........I think Barbot's work might be hard to understand the name of the people he was referring too.
.............It was printed in old texts. S for instance is exchanged with something like F
................... because the printing was different (a for i) for instance
............................Know the current names now: To help you
....................................... Hackbaus - (Igbos)
........................................Cricke/Young Cricke (Okrika)
........................................ Bandy/Bany (Bonny)
......................................... Dony - Andoni and so on.
.......................................... ahhh no Ijaws were mentioned or conceived.

In the link, check from pg 455 - Voyage to New Calabar.
CC: Ekealterego, Igboid

https://books.google.de/books?id=Wta7pVslBEwC&pg=PA423&lpg=PA423&dq=VOYAGE+INTO+nEW+cALABAR&source=bl&ots=QIA1Z-trM2&sig=ACfU3U3t6oH4PyhdRFiDY0utq0NgHDz9lQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiki-u__eDyAhVsgP0HHUQLA64Q6AF6BAgOEAM#v=onepage&q=Hackbous&f=false

Le ya na link a. Guo Ihe @vintagepipe dere.

SlayerForever:
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Nwanne kekwanu. Biko ọbụrụ na-inwe akwụkwọ Jean Barbot ka-ituorum ya. Doo.

Putindbutt:
You don't need to tell me about him. The fact that he works with University of Swansea doesn't mean he can't have a personal opinion of a work.
There's nothing linking Alagoa's work to University of Swansea review team/committee, absolutely nothing!.
And also, there's nothing scientific about the review, absolutely nothing!

You guys are just a bunch of clowns
Ibos have been lying way too much on this forum, the more you are bursted, the more you come up with more lies. una no dey shame?

All these tantrum all points to one thing... Alagoa was a fraud and the record is there for all well academics to see.

I even saw more institutionally backed poor review of Alagoa's history but since that doesn't concern Ndigbo, I will leave it out.
So the guy got a consistent pattern of rewriting people's history.

oyatz:
How exactly does this review concern or even mentioned 'Igbo'?


The younger generation of Igbos online, radicalized by IPOB propaganda keep attracting unavoidable enmities from all their neighbours.

Neither the original book nor the review is remotely about Igbo.

It was part of the scheme, why rewrite the history of people whose brothers were still recovering from a war?

This is transferred aggression also.

Some just instructed me to do a quick research and analysis of Igbo hate on Ijaw run groups... Men all the key hit searches on Igbo returned with nauseating pure hate, lies and propaganda against Ndi-Igbo. Out of the results, 97% were just pure biles.

JANK23H:
That was a personal review that had nothing to do with the University of Swansea.If it was,it would have been stated clearly as for the department, research team or board. What you saw was A.J Latham's affiliation and nothing more.

So, in the full article his University and departments were clearly written. Stop yapping lies.

Abeg, start another one .


You see all these years you people have written utter rubbish against us lying and disparaging our names. It will surely be an eye for an eye... Trust Igbos, we have the scholars, money and human resources to get it done.
It's just that we have never looked in your direction.

Putindbutt:
No institution gave any review of Alagoa's work. The reviewer gave his personal opinion. His name is A. J LATHAM and he was talking for himself alone. You guys are really embarrassing the rest of your tribe.

A. J H Latham is not just "a personal opinion". Maybe you should Google him, his role, his team, the department at Swansea and how influential they are in the field of Economic history. Maybe you should Google the process of "PUBLISHED SCIENTIFIC REVIEW.. and stop yapping like an illiterate.


This whole process is like explaining what offside is to a non-football follower.

Putindbutt:
Go & take a seat and stop pontificating.
JSTOR is a digital archives on academic journals. Started off in 1995, has not more than 3000 selected journals so far. I don't even want to talk about how recent JSTOR is or how little 3000 is.

So, show me anywhere Jstor referenced Alagoa work in its archives much less gave a review. I bet you don't know what Jstor is. How many works of Nigeria academics are archived by Jstor?
You just pick on Jstor & started lying on them.

Lying just like your fraudfessor. JSTOR does not archive fraudulent books. I have unlimited access to literature on JSTOR and JSTOR is a leader in that sector. It was through Jstor that I got the information about Alagoa's ignoble fraud.
You lying grinch. You have changed the narrative... Weren't you the one spinning falsehood against Cambridge for selling that Alagoa#s work of fiction.

Putindbutt:
See this liar

What business has JSTOR have got to do with this?
Your trash are just new every passing day.

JSTOR archives reputable academic works... So, JSTOR also published the special notice, just in case the scheming fake professor which his work was described as.

"....written by a local historian who
had not been trained at a University..."

This is the most intelligent Ijaw man for that matter.

Putindbutt:
Forward your suggestions to Cambridge University who are selling his book.

Alagoa, the nightmare of ibos

Spiner of yarn.

Where is Cambridge university press selling a book that Ibadan University Press published?

What Cambridge publish is the special notice in their published African history journal.

Lying scum!

Putindbutt:
Lying scum, Cambridge University has his book still selling on its website. And the man was not speaking for University of Swansea, he was a just a member of staff speaking out his observations in his personal opinion

The rest of your trash, I have earlier addressed it.

Funny, Ijaws are now using, "lying scum". very original.

Now, you lying scum how did Cambridge University Press sell what Ibadan University Press published?

Why are you people very duuummb?

What is available on Cambridge University Press is the special notice since they rejected the publication on "African Journal of History".

Son, this is not your area of expertise, choose some other ventures.

How will Cambridge sell what the rejected by issuing a special notice? Do you guys know how this works at all?

Alabo7978:
lol, this clown.
you've been dodging me ever since.
you in particular was the reason I reactivated my nairaland account.
roadside historian eh?
OTONYE DOMOKUMA how many times have I called you?
wasn't the mighty Pythagoras criticized for his research when he stated the earth was spherical?
I saw your other cohorts now acknowledging Fombo when its suits your narrative.
I thought Fombo was an enemy of the circus?
do you think Fombo will write the things that'll be like jazz music to your minds?
Fombo also wrote what you hate to hear.
deal with it.
I can't wait to see you all roasting Fombo on another thread.

Wow, this is a guy who claims he reads... Where do I even start from?
You are comparing Pythagoras (570 BC), and theories of earth shape (3000 BC) that were based on very early philosophical thoughts with Academic writing in peer review with an abundance of research and modern and established ethnological tools, thoughts, practice and apparatus?

Igboid, Bkayy, 9cloud please tell me this actually joking...A human cannot be this slow.

Guy, you are joking right? Right?

Biafrarep:
Please kindly tell me what exactly is your problem:

1. Inability to read and comprehend texts written in plain English?

2. Dishonesty and desperate attempts at supporting falsehoods?

3. Daftness?

I will wager on the combination of the three.

A book that University College of Swansea, JSTOR and Cambridge took to compete with "Chike and the River" and "Ade goes to school".

Alabo7978:
if only you understood my last line about you all passing oral history and beliefs BY A PEOPLE as academic work but ok.

to satisfy your need always want to prolong arguments, many works, science, religion, literature will always have a negative review, even Pythagoras was hated and criticised when he stated the earth was spherical.

if you don't still Gerrit, forget abourrit.

Guy stop feigning ignorance or talking dumb. I thought you said you read a lot?

This is academic work.. An academic peer review. Alagoa passed his work as an academic writing/work, thus the heavy criticism by international academic heavy weights.

If he took his book to the jokes or fiction section, no one will raise an eyelid.

Look at how he was disgraced. He was termed as roadside historian.

What he did was fraudulent and a big sin in the academic world, and especially in that field.

Cambridge, JSTOR and Swansea moved the book to fiction section where the book rightly belongs.

ivolt:
Where is the fraud allegation in that review?

The reviewer is disappointed that a chronicle was written like a chronicle.

One question? Did you finish secondary school? Do you know how academic writing works? You are testament to the poor education we are talking about?

That's an academic work and not your Nollywood script, illiterate.
Don't mention this outside..

well, you are probably Ijaw, you guys have never been associated with intelligence.

Putindbutt:
It seems you guys have comprehension issues. According to the review, the reviewer expressed disappointment in the fact that the author uses more secondary sources than main sources.
It was just a chronicle as the title implies, which was why Cambridge referred to it as shorter notices.

They was no where, impliedly or expressly that it was called fraudulent. The crux was that Alagoa uses less materials and references.

The Nigerian education is very terrible.

You didn't see where they said he didnt reference his works? No.1 sin after plagiarism or at par.

You didn't see where they mentioned that he bastardized the original manuscript?

You didn't read the other academic frauds that was noted?

He was accused of rewriting an original work and changing the content replacing key subjects by himself.

Nigerian education is really terrible I swear.... so, you don't know the implications of republishing a short notice in an academic journal? Wow.

Igboid:
You are the one who thinks they are suffering.
Suffer to them is just lack of Ogogoro!
Once there is Ogogoro, then they are fine.

This is why I opposed IPOB Multiethnic BIAFRA.
They know nothing about the people they are roping into their dreams.

Lol. wahala..

BKayy:
My dear, we have a university to deal with.
University of Ibadan will have it hot for engaging in such stupid scheme.

University runs on reputation and when she is considered a propaganda organisation, not just any propaganda Organisation but an ethnic one, Hmmm, I won't like to tell you people the damage it will deal to her.

A Chronicle of Grand Bonny. By E. J. ALAGOA and A. FOMBO. Ibadan University
Press, Nigeria, I972. PP. ix+ I34. $3.50.
This is a very disappointing little book. On picking it up I thought that
Ibadan University Press had taken the enterprising step of publishing a history
of one of the most important Niger delta towns, written by a local historian who
had not been trained at a University. I hoped and assumed that Dr Alagoa's
contribution would be restricted to scholarly annotation, and perhaps a separate
comment. But instead, Mr Fombo's manuscript, originally acquired by Professor
Anene in I963 and now in the Africana Collection of the University of Ibadan,
has been completely submerged by Dr Alagoa's new text. What is worse is that
the new text is neither very scholarly nor very interesting. As the title suggests,
it is a chronicle, and a bare one. There is virtually no attempt at interpretation
at all, just a sequence of kings and events. The references which are made are
mostly to secondary sources, and almost completely ignore the main source for
the Niger coast, F.O. 84 (Slave Trade). There are no references given for the
photographs, a characteristic regrettably common in Nigerian histories. Thus
this book does little but reveal the need for a proper history of Bonny, a worth-
while project for which there is abundant material. In it, this chronicle will
deserve a footnote. In the meantime, Ibadan University Press could consider
giving us Mr Fombo's original text. Then perhaps they could follow it up with
the work of other local historians such as E. N. Amaku of Calabar. But let us
have the original script intact, before the scholars bowdlerize it out of recognition.
University College of Swansea

Can you imagine, these guys were grabbing our properties, and rewriting our history while we were fighting a war that involved their own freedom as well so that they won't suffer as they are suffering today.

JANK23H:
What did that review say and it's connections to Bonny?

Brother, this is not just a review, it was a special notice academically sponsored, Cambridge published and University of Swansea backed rejection of a fraud.

The book was about Bonny, which at that time became a tool for propaganda rather than true academic work.

Going through its one by one

1. University of Swansea and Cambridge University thought this was a roadside and hungry beer parlour historians that wrote the history about Bonny.

This is a very disappointing little book. On picking it up I thought that
Ibadan University Press had taken the enterprising step of publishing a history
of one of the most important Niger delta towns, written by a local historian who
had not been trained at a University.

2. Here, it states that Algoa falsified the original manuscript and history with his own fantasies.

I hoped and assumed that Dr Alagoa's
contribution would be restricted to scholarly annotation, and perhaps a separate
comment. But instead, Mr Fombo's manuscript, originally acquired by Professor
Anene in I963 and now in the Africana Collection of the University of Ibadan,
has been completely submerged by Dr Alagoa's new text.

3. Alagoa being a fraud again rewriting history and replacing academic history with his own falsification. A serious academic crime
What is worse is that
the new text is neither very scholarly nor very interesting. As the title suggests,
it is a chronicle, and a bare one. There is virtually no attempt at interpretation
at all, just a sequence of kings and events.

4. Alagoa failed to use references (Biggest academic sin) and decided not to use original history

The references which are made are mostly to secondary sources, and almost completely ignore the main source for
the Niger coast, F.O. 84 (Slave Trade).
There are no references given for the photographs, a characteristic regrettably common in Nigerian histories. Thus
this book does little but reveal the need for a proper history of Bonny, a worth-while project for which there is abundant material. In it, this chronicle will deserve a footnote. In the meantime, Ibadan University Press could consider giving us Mr Fombo's original text. Then perhaps they could follow it up with the work of other local historians such as E. N. Amaku of Calabar.

5. In case you don't understand, Alagoa was fraudulently replacing some key people, names and ethnicity with his own. That is what they meant by "bowdlerize".

But let us have the original script intact, before the scholars bowdlerize it out of recognition.


In summary, Bonny's history was fraudulently rewritten by Alagoa. What a shame! They called him a roadside historian while committing academic sin.

ChinenyeN:
From the works of Charles Ogan (1980s), Finapiri (2001), Alagoa & Fombo (1960s) and Nzewuwa (1980s), among others, it is well-established that the Amanyanabo system is a modern monarchy system that first came about in the 17th century among most Eastern Ijaw communities.

Nzewuwa (1983) showed that the House System and a feudal/factional kingship system already existed in the Elem Kalabari area. Kalabari oral traditions and documentary evidence from European traders suggests that these institutions came to be in active practice by the 17th century. Additionaly, Amakiri I (the first of the modern Kalabari monarchs), is recollected as becoming the first "overall Amanyanabo", creating the modern Kalabari dynasty and galvanizing the Kalabari kingdom. This tradition of Amakiri I becoming the first "overall Amanyanabo" suggests the presence of other feudal kings (at least some, not all) going by "Amanyanabo" (Alagoa, 1970s, 2005).

Unlike the series of events/oral traditions of Kalabari, the picture was rather different for Okrika. Charles Ogan (1980s) did a decent job in marking down a chronology for the adoption of both the House System and the Amanyanabo System within Okrika (which Charles Ogan refers to as Amanyanaboship). Charles shows that the Amanyanabo institution did not exist in Okrika prior to its adopted in the seventeeth century. The first Amanyanabo of Okrika (Ado I) was installed as part of the ongoing effort to free Okrika from Bonny's political and economic authority.

Finapiri (2001) researched and collected Bonny oral traditions which credit Perekule as having brought drastic changes to the kingship system in Bonny in the 18th century, in which Perekule was officially proclaimed as the "Amanyanabo", starting the new Amanyanabo dynasty in Bonny. For Bonny, both the House System and the Amanyanabo system were imported between the late 17th to early 18th centuries (Alagoa 1971, Oriji 2011).

JANK23H, please, do not stress me, one of the reasons why Alagoa came up many times on this thread was because earlier in the thread your guys, when they did not have anything kept referencing him and getting excerpts referencing him. Which defeats the whole purpose of the discussion.

BKayy:
Shame on anybody that fell for Alagoa.
Shame on UniPort that gave him Prof Emeritus.
Shame on all UniPort students and Alumni. If you live close to UniPort or do business there, shame on you as well.

Modified: University of Ibadan is the real culprit.
Shame on University of Ibadan and every brown roofian in Ibadan.
Shame on Afonjas Worldwide.

God bless University of Swansea.

Special Announcement to Afonjas: If you want to fight Ndigbo, come direct and stop going through the Corners.
Shameless Cowards.

Lets also thank the University of Cambridge for going to extra mile to repost a short notice warning the general public about the fraud.
For University of Cambridge to publish a special notice on a publication, that sin must be very very bad.

Ilaumoh:
Senseless Ipob pig

Oh I see! You have proven yourself a retard.. When you were busy sharing a video of Akwa-Ibom... You didn't reject the video and free marketing given to you by an "IPOB boy". The video you were sharing up an down, an "IPOB boy" shot it for free.

You really need to grow up, although I know there is really no solution for folly but try.