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Ilaumoh:
Okoroutip, happy now .. since you no get sense

Get your shiit together! Are you sure you are fine today?

Check my previous comments here, I have had nothing but compliments for the pictures you posted. Since you did not say the exact location, it is only natural that this question will trigger the readers' curiosity.

JANK23H:
Lol....No where on this thread did any Ijo present Alagoa's work.I wonder why y'all are yapping about his work.

Infact,I deliberately avoided any publication linked with Alagoa so none of you would have something to hold,and I believe others did same.

My challenge is still out there.No response yet from any of you.

Your guys were using Alagoa until we shut it down since we were using original sources from 150 - 400 years ago.

Igboid:
Wow!
This is a Bomb! They should close down all history departments in SE.

All our professors of history and Ph.D holders should be ashamed of themselves.

It is annoying that CAMBRIDGE even had to warn readers by calling out the fraudulent attempt in 1975 and published it in the African history Journal and did a special publication about this.

They published SPECIAL NOTICES for two books/articles, one of them being Algoa in 1975, calling it the blatant fraud.

Europeans/world best universities, journals were aware, but none of our Igbo scholars could call out the fraud?

See the annotation at the bottom; it is on the Cambridge University website and publication and hosted on JSTOR.

JANK23H:
Come on na....why won't they know where or who Ijos are?
I identify proudly as Ijo anywhere I go and they refer to us as "Mbamiri".
You need not go far.Take Nairaland as a case study,read the comments made by your fellow Igbos it's the same sentiment against the other "minority tribes".Ever wondered why non-igboid and some Igboid NigerDelta tribes are comfortable with the South Easterners.

So, when you first meet them, you shout Ijo down their throats?

Bro, in that context, Ijos are not really in their purview of Ndi Mbamiri, although you are technically Mbamiri... They generally refer to Igboid groups living near water as Mbamiri.. Most do not know the geography of Bayelsa or what it looks like to call them Mbamiri.

Again, Igbo communities have different names for other Igbo communities and non-Igbos... Cross-River and Akwa-Ibom, although sharing similar landscape as Rivers, are refered to as, "Ndi Mmoghu".

Most of them don't even know the states where you can find Ijo people except you educate them. For you to claim descrimination only because you are Ijo is just something you want to hold on to..

Talking about Minority hate, it's always interesting to see aggressors crying foul. Look at half of the politics section is about one anti-Igbo thread or the other.

Go to Facebook pages of minority groups who love Igbos, you will find Ijaw agents publishing one anti-Igbo publications or the other.

JANK23H:
Still doesn't change the fact that it's still regarded in other circles.

Do you know how scientific peer reviews work? Bro don't disappoint us, you have been fairly better than your brothers here.

JANK23H:
You are not being truthful with the statement that the average Igbo perceived the Ijos and by extension the other NigerDelta tribes as "brothers".As one who graduated from FUTO,I experienced first hand discrimination from alot of Igbos around;mostly as someone inferior.This same denigrating sentiment prompted Boro to declare the NigerDelta Republic, because he experienced same at UNN at the time.

With regards to Jonathan pre 2015,his support didn't come mostly from Igbos,but across all tribes.Infact,one reason he fell out with the other "major tribes" was the perception that he was more inclined towards the Igbos.Frankly,the Igbos had it so good during his administration.

So please,do not misinform.

As inferior? You truly believe the average Igbo man knew where Ijaw is until recently?

on what basis were you discriminated against? Do you tell them first hand you are Ijaw and they just started discriminating against you?

Did they sense where you are from first hand?

FUTO is a federal school that attracts a lot of people from different places in Nigeria.

JANK23H:
One bad review doesn't change anything.Infact,that book has hundreds of citations from reputable authors and publications.

Awolowo and Alagoa,the two great men giving Igbos nightmare.

Bro, it is not one bad review. You need to check the others... That is the assigned leader in that field.
This is not just a review, this is the head of the scientific peer reviewer in charge.

JSTOR, the leading scientific and historical repository and body, even flagged it using that review.

OfoIgbo:
Every Igbo man must save this page. This totally obliterates that fiction written by Alagoa. Trying to landgrab with his book.
Thank you for sharing this page.

So he avoided original sources. What a quack job. John Adams, Captain Crow, Dr. Baikie and Glynn have been vindicated. Some of those individuals observed Ubani first-hand, and here we have a quack that goes by the name Alagoa, trying to see the sun with his face completely in the shade.

Even a European foremost scholar called it out as a fraud. The Scientific repository like JSTOR flagged it as fraudulent.

..and Igbo scholars didn't take the time to call him out publicly for every one to know.

This is blatant fraud.

Ilaumoh:
Akwa ibom

Where in Akwa-Ibom

Looks great! Op, where is this?

Eastlink:
I support this angle or hypotesis. Ndoki dialect of Igbo was the aboriginal language but was almost displaced just like the Ibibiod language in those axis before the coming of the slave trade that saw a mass influx of Isuama dominated slaves into the Island. This move single-handedly revived the language and push the Kalabari dialect now dubiously called Ibani into submission. What Ijaw pirates couldn't achieve in Bonny/Opobo, they succeded in Brass, Nembe, Kalabari and in some sections of Okrika.

Today the Ijaw labdgrabbers led by Alagoa the fraud, are trying to push Kalabari dialect called Ibani into Bonny mainstream. "The speak Ibani initiative, the stop speaking Igbo", "the revive your Ibani mother tongue", "the stop saying biko but Ibama", etc has been part of this agenda since Adaka Boro couldn't wipe off the people during the civil war genocide.

The game is now exposed. Ndigbo over to you.

One would think you are accusing Alagoa falsely, but even peer reviews and reputable minds called his book a Fraud.
Look at Latham, one of the leading minds in his field, have to say about Alagoa's history on Bonny.

CC: Slayerforever, Igboid, Bkayy, Ofoigbo, Vintagepipes, 9pluto,

Every Igbo man needs to see this review about Alagoa's fraudulent activity, because even European scholars and international Journal had flagged Alagoa's frauds long ago.

SlayerForever:
Eke ke kwanu ka-ịme? Biko onwecha material m na chogazi na web. Ofu bụ diary of Antera Duke. Ozo bụkwalu Chronicles of Bonny Alagoa dere. Ọbụrụ na-inwe fa na system ka ị tuolum fa biko.

I ga hu nke mbu na archive´dot org "Borrow 1 hour". Register na saiti ha.
Ka'am go si gi nke a.

https://archive.org/details/diaryofanteraduk0000behr

Ihe nile Alagoa dere na Akwukwo ya bu so Ijaw ijaw. Nwoke ahu mere ndi Igbo ihe.

Ya wuru ni na cho akwukwo na JSTOR, nwe kwa organisation free access rue ónwa ano na bia-nu.

Brother, I was trying to get the Alagoa book on Jstor (One of the best when it comes to science and history) even Alagoa's book was badly reviewed, it was flagged and I will look for other ways to get it.

Check out this review, Alagoa really caused so much damage. How did the scholar community allow such frauds to thrive?

´CC: Igboid, Bkayy, Eastlink

oyatz:
What exactly is the difference between Ijaw and Igbo?


There many people we now regard as Igbos whose forefathers came from Ijaw villages and there are Ijaws today whose ancestors came from igbo villages.



Both the Ijaw and Igbo identities as we know them today were recently fabricated social groups created by the British Colonial Masters for the purpose of identifications largely based on perceived similarities in languages, culture and coextensive territories.

You see this particular energy you have is just exactly the same energy organisations like IPOB or even an average Igbo had.
This shows in their national politics and how they align on issues.

Before Jonathan, the average Igbo thought and believed that Ijaws were "brothers" who spoke a different language. They view everyone from Rivers to Cross-Rivers as such; even some go as far as Idoma.

When you see national sentiments and concerns regarding the fight for minority rights, the oil spill or even killings, Igbos would usually be most vocal, which pits them against the other big two.

The last one I remember was the installation of Jonathan when Yaradua died, his first election and re-election. Normally, one can support a candidate, but you see the average Igbo supported Jonathan despite his performance. I remember how scary it was in Lagos; many Igbo people had to buy cutlass at home because of Jonathan.

During the Niger-Delta fight, Saro Wiwa etc.

Yes, I know there are Igbos in SS, so the interest, but most Igbo will not negotiate their rights without saying "SE and SS", adding Ijaws to it.

Numerically, Ijaws alone cannot influence matters on behalf or against the Igbos in national politics; they will have more to gain if they aligned with Yorubas.

While Igbos were thinking good of the Ijaws, the Ijaws were busy spreading anti-Igbo sentiments any chance they got. This particular energy you see is new.

Richy4:
She is... Jennifer Olisa Ossai..She got married to Emeka Ossai one of the Nigerian actor..
She Acted Glamour Girls...and Chinyere in Living in Bondage... She was my favourite actress back then.. I should know..

There are two Jennifer Olisa as actresses back then... There was one that acted PAM PAM.. always acting a twins role with one other lady..

My knowledge of Nollywood is not that deep but I am sure you are talking about Jenifer Okere-Ossai and not Olisa.

Richy4:
You are correct...Liz Benson was Zack Orji's mum in the movie...
<<Zack was married to late Jennifer Olisa.. threw her out because the mother claimed Jennifer Olisa was a witch...and was cooking love portion to get him..
<<Zack had problems with his political career where they questioned him of his true identity and biological father...
<< It turned out that Liz Benson was married to Shola fosudo, killed him to take possession of his wealth and properties...got pregnant with some men who happens to be Zack's biological father.. It was an interesting movie..

Jeniffer Olisa is not late, she goes by the name Jennifer Olisa-Awazie.

Akharmony:
Good story telling like blood money and secret cult... And aft killings so many pple for ritual the culprit just run mad or at most die. And thats the end of the story. . .

That is a genre of movie. Even in American movie, they fight, have sex and the actor wins while the villain dies, and game over. However, it is the story that leads up to these that eventually matter.
Don't forget, we also had the love genre, the classic and traditional village pre/colonial throwback versions, the village story genre, the family, marriage, life struggle etc.

Another thread for Nigerians to masturbate on.
It seems Nairaland and Nigeria in general are so Igbo obsessed to a point of sickness.

They Sleep Igbo, they dream Igbo
They thirst Igbo, they drink Igbo
They hunger Igbo, they eat Igbo
They hate Igbo, they love Igbo
They obsess Igbo, they think Igbo
They live Igbo, they won't leave Igbo
They envy Igbos, they kill Igbo
Igbo bad, Igbo problematic.
Igbo mad, Igbo undiplomatic
Today, Igbo sleaze, Igbo go away
Tomorrow, Igbo please, Igbo stay.

JANK23H:
Give me the full reference.Your Screenshot I've come to understand are deceptive.

Horton (1868) West African Countries and Peoples, British and Native: And a Vindication of the African Race : Empire of the Egboes

Glynn (1906) Lower Niger and it's people

Clarke (1848) Specimens of Dialects: Short Vocabularies of Languages, and Notes of Countries & Customs in Africa

christistruth01:
Your Grandfather before his brothers Sold him to the Ijaws of Bonny because they were dragging their fathers Land and wanted to keep his own share for themselves

Lying scum. I guess you have added another vice to your family's ignoble arsenal.

Don't you have a skull or some vital organs to harvest?

That picture was taken by Northcorte around 1910-11.

That's an Ichi man...

You see that man in that picture? That Ichi man, the privileges he enjoyed in his life/days, you will never enjoy it and it's not a curse.

This is for good academic and intellectual talk, go wash your mother's dirty browned former white underwears, we can smell it from Mars.

JANK23H:
Who are the Bonny people?

Of course the Igbo slaves can be regarded as "Bonny people" because by European standards they had been in Bonny for sometime;some may have been born there.

You didn't attend to the issue I raised though.Attend to it.That is where the distinction was made between the Ijos and Igbos.

We have shown reports of kings being of Igbo descent, and founders.

You are making this thread even more richer with facts because answers abound to go against all the lies you guys have been parroting.

What about this origin? This was gotten from Bonnians in late 1800s. (Glynn)

Igboid:
You have no point. If that's a problem, then bring more current Colonial document that mentioned Bonny and wrote on their Origin.
In steps Crow, Baike and Glynn.
And for all we know, all three are United in the claim that Bonny ancestors originated from Igboland. Which is why you are avoiding them and relying in an ambiguous account that never mentioned Bonny!

Please add, Adams, Schön, Koelle, Crowther, Allen, Clarke, Horton to the party.

JANK23H:
Check again the footnotes Oga.You post Crow's a million times.I can do same.

Where is the Rio Real located?

Keep calling Crow... we have all diversified our sources.

From page 1 to almost 80, with different sources.

or are these ones from Clarke, Crow too?

JANK23H:
Okay now it has shifted to slave trading in Bonny abi?

Pacheco Pereira's account (first screenshot) circa 1508

Dr. Fage's commentary on Pacheco Pereira's account

What did the document you upload have to do with Ijaw in Bonny?

You uploaded two different document. one talking about you being river dwelling cannibals... and more damning than what the others described you as.


Then a second document talking about or making a guess about what could be Bonny but didn't say one thing about the inhabitant's origin, language or heritage.


Please, you guys need to up your game... at least be at par with the work we have done so far.

JANK23H:
And who are the Kalabaris and Brass/Nembe people abeg?

The ejo and ijaw men were different from these people you mentioned. it was clearly archived and written.

Today, it's more of a political franchise.

Regardless, you asked how the influence came and that's what I described.

The census or headcount done by these explorers clearly described and mentioned that the majority of the people there were Igbos, then a Brass minority (these Brass minority were not Ijo at that time but a mixture of Benin, ibibiod like people and some ijoid inflections).

JANK23H:
50 sources indeed...

I threw out a challenge yesterday.Chronicle how the Ijos took over Bonny;by war or brainwashing as y'all keep talking about.As it is, the entire traditional and political structure of Bonny is controlled by Ijos.How did it happen?With the writer stating clearly the intentions of the supposed Ijo invaders.

Please, reference neutral accounts.No more conjectures.

And don't tell me about language.The English language is our lingua franca,that doesn't make us English.Ijos in Ondo speak Yoruba,still doesn't make them Yoruba.

I'm waiting...

Ijaw got nothing to do with it. The closest influence you see there are from first New Calabar (Kalabari) as seen in Finima. and through Brass of Old.
The Ijo have never been mentioned in any capacity when it comes to Bonny history. You guys were basically boat dwelling uncivilised pirates.

That's how history remember you. This is why you are trying to impose as much as possible ijo on any minority group you can find.

Damn, you don't even have any single civilised city.

JANK23H:
Where was the switch?

That we sold slaves and couldn't be tamed?

I suppose that's something written by your lover Captain Hugh Crow,and I'm supposed to be bothered? Please.....!

Nah! no captain Crow here... At least, we have given records from 50 different sources in the 1800s.
You guys didn't have the ability to sell any slaves.

Your ancestors were living on wooden canoes, drunk half of the time, uncivilised and disrupting the civilisation Igbos were bringing to the region.

You produced nothing! Instead of supporting Igbo's production, you decided to be drunk pirates...and an unsuccessful one as you guys were termed, "an infection".

That's not something to be proud of.

JANK23H:
Tsk tsk tsk......Again reaffirming the true owners of Grand Bonny.

Why should i bother when a slave dealer gives a poor report about my people?Reason being,we could not be tamed.Unlike your kind that was shipped off like sheep.Given to bouts of depression and suicidal because they couldn't resist.

So you are happy with the praises of the Slave dealer/master?You should have hidden this.It's not something to be proud of.

Proudly a Jo-man!
We never cower

Why are you crying? You were boastful about how good you were at keeping slaves , then when your lies were bursted you switched because you did not like the way you were being described by the people you claimed you were in slave business with?
About suicide, of course, in our philosophy, we bow to no man.

About Suicide, I think it was your ancestor's speciality.

For Igbos, we chose death rather than slavery, we bow only to our chi, while Ijo committed suicide for simple things like lack of ogogoro or criticism from a wife.

Thoh:
I don't even know which one to reply out of your two brainless posts...

Ijaw are the only people using fu word in Africa..

Ijaws are the only people that use bara word.

Go to Ijaw group in facebook you will see such name or word post...Mumu

Fu in my dialect mean potash...

Bara in my dialect mean forget and hand.

Ask any Ijaw person what is bara. Bara is general Ijaw word for hand.....

Just asked any Ijaw person to tell you what it mean.... Even Ibani people call hand bara.. bara is general word in Ijaw.


Jo or Ja is Ijaw. Mumus

Don't dispay such ignorance here.

Who told you only Ijaws have Fu and Bara in Africa? That's how you guys transformed the Wedderburns without their knowledge.

Fu means, or See/meet.

Ba ra Enter/Entered/clicked.

BKayy:
LOL. Not only Ijo and Ijaw wedder. Na Ijo and Ijaw WELDERS.

This is how they changed Pepple that was derived from Pepper to Perekule.

Shameless dull people.
See the man you turned to Ijaw here

Ijaws should be given national honours for name manipulation

So Sir John (Jo) and James (Ja) Wedderburn, were transformed to

Ijaw and Ijo Wedder

I hope the children of the Wedderburns in Scotland are aware that they have been given a new name by IYC and INC?

Bkayy will be Bkayiiri
igboid will be Igbodiri
Nwanyiogwashi will be Nwanyiogwashiripere
Slayerforever will be Slayerforefiri

Stamped, IYC and INC

BKayy:
The thing shock me oh.

There is nobody that is conversant with slave trade in Africa and the Caribbeans that doesn't know about John and James Wedderburn.

You see the swiftness the Jo man used to change Wedderburn to Wedder? That was how they changed Pepple to Perekule.

I swear!!! I think they need to start another round of pilgrimage at Arochukwu to save them again.

Thoh:
mumu, Jo or Ja was referred to Ijaw or Ijo..

Mumu.

You don't even have eyes to read. Mpurumiri at work

I know you people were never associated with intelligence.

When did the well known British guys
Jo Sir (John) & Ja (James) Wedderburn turn Ijo.

The well known Wedderburn family and brothers who were named after Creek Wedderburn become Ijaws?

I knew your IQs were low but I didn't know it was this low.

Abi we have moved from Obolo ijaw to Scotland- ijaw?