₦airaland Forum

Gbawe: There is no proof, especially from post 1999 history, to suggest the North will not keep to any 'gentleman's agreement' they make. Otherwise you would not see the likes of Soludo and Nnamani openly backing Northerners and distancing themselves from GEJ.

Whether they will keep an agreement or not is irrelevant.

The point is, what they want, they cannot have without assistance. If a man is dying of starvation, and you are the only man with bread, then you had better sell it to him at the highest price you can get.

A starving man is in no position to negotiate with you regarding price.

So if you want to do a "deal" with the North, then you'd better charge a HIGH price. And VP is too low a price.

Finally, you've ignored this issue of the hypocricy of these Northern politicians.

1. Why do they want to rule Nigeria when they've not even managed their states properly?
2. If zoning is dead, then there is nothing wrong with them being VP to a Yoruba president. Yet they'll make up some reason for why this cannot be.

Northerners are both power-hungry and incompetent. The worst possible combination.

You believe in Nigeria, I do not. And if you believe in Nigeria, then it would be highly foolish to enable power-mad/unqualified folk like Northerners to attain the presidency.

Then again, if your secret goal is to see Nigeria destroyed or ruined even further, then yes, throw your support behind an Atiku presidency

They cannot do it without us, basically. So you can set whatever terms you like. If they fail in 2015, knowing them they'll get even more desperate and hungry for power in 2019

Let's make the best partnership possible, the one that gives us the most leverage. No reason to rush.

This is the one region where folks perhaps feel most content not to hanker for the Presidency for many obvious reasons that includes how the SW, relatively, is a very politically sophisticated region. For good or bad, this region "enjoyed" the Presidency for 8 years 'undisturbed'.

Na lie. Sharia when a Christian Yoruba man became president. Was that not disruptive to his presidency? What of the Miss World stuff? The various riots that Northern politicians instigated?

Let us not revise history.

The reality is, Northerners will always make it difficult for a president if he is not from their region.

Life without "disturbances" is not really a life worth living. Fashola is a big boy...he can handle it.

Gbawe: The way forward, for folks like Atiku, is obvious from their current noise and machination. Pronounce zoning as dead publicly and simply negotiate with another major ethnic group (eg the Yorubas) to 'rotate' the Presidency. With so much bloodshed and with the current Presidency showing no interest in moving Nigeria closer to true federalism, this arrangement might appeal to a SW that will fathom that Fashola as VP virtually guarantees a Yoruba Presidency in the not too distant future.

A wonderful arrangement. If this is Atiku's position and is the earnest belief of Northern politicians in general, then I applaud it. However, I suspect that this isn't their earnest belief. It is simply a convenient position for them to take now.

Let us test their belief that "zoning is dead" by forcing them to take VP. Do you think that they will agree?

Let me be blunt. They are looking for a power-grab. But don't have enough to take it by themselves. If somebody cannot accomplish a major task without you that they desperately want, and you settle for vice-presidency...well, then you are foolish person, imo.

Whatever is valuable to obtain, you should then be willing to pay a lot for to get.

There is a simple way for such posters to fix this issue.

Just make a post in this thread.

In any case, if you already have 90% coverage of Nigeria's population, you probably aren't doing too badly..

What moral right do the same guys who are governors of one of the most impoverished regions in all of Africa have to then be running for presidency?

You cannot manage your own household, yet now want to be the mayor of a city, when there is a more competent man (Fashola) available.

Gbawe is this what you think will make your typical person in the SW excited and happy?

Ngwakwe: I already know that all these criticism in Nairaland of GEJ and NOI is all about the return of a President of Yoruba extraction. Is not that a Yoruba President can offer much alone but is all about my tribe.

I'm not personally obsessed with a president of Yoruba extraction. In fact, I personally think it would be better to work towards seeing Nigeria broken apart.

However, why should I be interested in supporting Atiku over a guy not too far away from me, even if all things were equal?

And all things are not equal. Fashola would make a far better president than any Northern politician alive (or dead, for that matter).

As terribly run as Norhtern Nigeria is, as dismal as the hopes for the future as that part of the country are, I should be shouting and dancing for joy to support one of the politicians who destroyed Northern Nigeria over one of our own sons? Our own son who is doing excellently well in his current position, for that matter?

Regarding Fashola specifically versus a Northerner.

I don't know of any Northern politician currently prominent who would make as good a president as him.

So from a pure talent perspective, why would you support inferior candidates from another region rather than a star from your own region?

You think your average Yoruba man is going to be passionate about that?

But practically speaking...they need us. We don't need them.

They are desperate for political power We are not.

Some more years in the wilderness might do them some good.

They will have to vote for a candidate, yes.

But the North will still have to present a candidate more appealing that GEJ.

GEJ isn't perfect, but he is likely better than an Atiku or most of these other dudes the north might field.

I don't think Yoruba people are going to be very motivated to vote for some scrub Northerner just out of spite for GEJ.

BTW, "have to vote for a candidate" is possibly the worst possibly sort of strategy to hope on. You don't want people just to feel as if they are choosing between an incompetent GEJ and an incompetent northerner. As I said, they won't be very motivated to come out and support you.

Being on call 24/7 doesn't mean you worked all those hours, obviously.

Clearly LASG would prefer to only pay for services rendered rather than also for on-call time

Do doctors really work 100/week on average? I doubt this

If it is a good deal for young docs, then Lagos will no doubt have little difficulty in getting enough doctors. Granted, they may be younger and fresh out of school, but the tradeoff may be worth it.

The question that still remains: what is the total compensation package for the union doctors?

Eh.

If a group representing 0.1% of the population of Nigeria is left off, is the census worthless?

The current list probably represents north of 90% of Nigeria's population.

By no means worthless...perfect is the enemy of the good, as they say.

So 44k+42k salary is what you are claiming? Is this per week, biweekly, month..?

So the 170k mentioned earlier doesn't have any housing allowance added on top?

What of the pension?

I guess rather than asking you guys to provide the numbers, perhaps someone can point me to where the official #s are published. Salary, housing allowance, pension, and any other compensation they receive etc.

wales: Meanwhile, investigations have revealed that the Northern governors’ defence of Buhari in his altercation with the Presidency was borne out of fear of confrontation with the former head of state.

Our correspondents learnt that because of the security situation in the core north, the governors decided to avoid a confrontation with Buhari.

lol


Anyway, if the NW and NE's idea is to rally behind a Fashola presidential campaign in order to oust GEJ, then certainly their support will not be rejected.

On the other hand, if they are expecting to run for presidency themselves...heh. Will be hard to motivate our interest, I suspect.

lol

I like generating UML diagrams for object-oriented code I write. Really helpful for visualizing the relationship between classes.

I use RSpec for testing rails stuff. This isn't xunit-related though, to my knowledge.

I agree with you. Testing is critical. Writing tests helps you crystallize in your mind what your application should do. And it helps you quickly catch bugs in changes that you make to your code base that break your application.

I sort of don't even know how I wrote code before w/o writing tests. Seems so risky and error-prone for any non-trivial app, in hindsight.

Good. So you agree that people should be able to practice religion freely.

Regarding "evil."

Are you claiming that Christianity is uniquely evil, more evil than other religions? If so...then you'll have to back this up with facts.

Walmart is great for the middle class and the poor in America.

For 99% of Americans, Walmart is great.

For the small shops they crushed, Walmart sucked.

But having big, efficient companies like Walmart overall is a positive for us. Supposedly they help reduce our national inflation rate, lol

No, Han are not a pure ethnic group. Their different languages are not mutually intelligible (hence the switch to Mandarin as a national language), which is big indicator that they weren't one people.

China was conquered by the Mongols and the Manchu, and there is significant Mongol and Manchu admixture in their population.

The southern groups are also not pure and are mixtures of other peoples as well. If I remember correctly, those southerners were distinct peoples assimilated into the larger Han culture.

The only way to main 100% purity of an ethnic group is to:

a) never have fought in any wars
b) never interact with other peoples

Both (a) and (b) are pretty hard to do. Maybe there is some tribe in the middle of the pacific ocean somewhere which was mostly isolated from the rest of humanity and thus is 100% pure.

But for everyone else on earth..

Many (if not most) white americans are mutts. German, Irish, English, Italian, ancestry. Some with Native American ancestors.

Doesn't seem to have hurt them much...

Like I said, I don't think being obsessed about racial purity makes a lot of sense.

Cultural integrity is what is important, not race, imo

Han Chinese, for one.

Russians, for another...

Basically, when you build a huge empire, you get to spread your DNA pretty far and wide

[quote author=Ejiné]Yeah, I guess you're right. Such titles can be easily misconstrued [/quote]My bad. I thought you were being sarcastic.

What difference is there between the so-called slave masters and you if you for whatever reason want to take away a person's freedom (of religion)?

You and the slave masters are the same thing.

Both want to restrict options and choices in life, force people to conform to your views.

Lol.

Probably a large fraction of humanity is of "impure" blood.

For example, Genghis Khan's DNA appears in like 2-3% of Asians. So any of them who aren't Mongolians are of "impure" blood.

It isn't something to get obsessed about.

Let's say that the doctors in LASG employ work 50 hours per week, on average. Someone will no doubt correct this figure if it is too high or too low.

To replace their labor with those of these casual workers:

octave:6> 5000/4*4.33*50
ans = 270625

So you end up paying 100k more. However, these workers:

a) You don't have to provide accommodation for
b) You don't have to pay them on vacation, holidays, etc
c) You don't have to pay them when they strike
d) You don't have to provide them with a pension


So from points (a)-(d) above, the casual doctors might be a much better value proposition for Lagos State.

And if it turns out that you only extract closer to 40 hours of labor per week on average per doctor, then advantage shifts even further to the casual doctors.

So, can anyone provide a monthly or yearly estimate of the value of the housing accommodation provided to LASG doctors?

Nevertheless, it is a choice that everyone is permitted. Nobody can dictate to another what religion he must follow.

If somebody wants to follow the religion of the so-called slave masters, so be it.

If they choose freely to do this, no wahala

So 170k monthly is the salary of the house officers, I take it?

This doesn't include the free accommodation and pension, does it?

What is the rough value of the housing provided?

Also, anyone know what the pension looks like?

With these two latter pieces of information, we'll then have a pretty good sense of how much is being saved (if at all)

yorubaaaaaaaaaa stand up

Fashola as president, yes.

Buhari, no interest in the dude at this point

Lol.

Slave=religion is a personal choice, live and let live?

Nobody has to answer to anyone else for their religious choices, is the point.

The common thread is a certain demonic religious cult practiced by these terrorists.

jmaine: The cycle is complete . . .South South don join the party . . . . .but they all have one thing in common . . .

The Religion of Peace ™!