₦airaland Forum

BP:
My dear Sir, I believe it is possible for you to like Tinubu without defending everything he does; just as it is possible to dislike him without finding fault with everything he does.

Recently, most of your posts on Tinubu and ACN are almost on the level of blind support. You have almost started playing in the same intellectual slime pit as Eko-Ile. You, my dear sir, are better than that.

I don't even like Tinubu. For me he is a means to an end, a convenient tool. But it seems to me that people are taking this article written by Omatseye to vent their spleen on how Tinubu is evil, etc, etc.

Which seems a bit silly to me, given that he didn't even write the article. I guess he owns the newspaper, but this is the only extent of his involvement.

^-- To be clear, I mean an ethnic agenda.

Obviously both sides discussing this have an viewpoint of some sort. . . Wizardofoz strongly dislikes Tinubu (understandable), others like myself think he is necessary at this point in time, don't hold him responsible for the remarks made by someone else, don't even think the remarks made were 100% wrong, etc.

But that I think is a bit different from what certain other commentators have done. And as I said, that really disgusts me. And I'll make sure to do the same next time there is disagreement in their own land (knowing 'em, about 30 minutes from now.)

[quote author=EzeUche! link=topic=685391.msg8495126#msg8495126 date=1307726938]Irrelevant to you, but I will continue to participate with interest.  And there is nothing you can do about it.[/quote]Not a problem. Just don't then be offended then when others "participate with interest" in your own affairs.

BP:
Awolowo contested to be President of Nigeria and that alone means any Nigerian (any body for that matter) can make comments on issues about him.

It is small-mindedness for ektbear to tell EzeUche not to comment because he is Igbo. That is the sort of low-life mentality that I'm shocked exists in the minds of otherwise intelligent people on NL.

I am not Igbo. I am not Yoruba. But I believe  all of these "Igbo this" and "Yoruba that" is just plain childish.

I think you misunderstand. I don't mind people commenting in a genuine and honest manner. But not in a way that pushes an agenda. As Eziachi and EzeUche have done lately. That to me is disgusting.

EzeUche especially. Let him never complain again if someone comments with an obvious agenda on Igbo affairs.

^-- *shrug*

Feel unhappy if you like. Or make a moronic jibe about "borrowed sense."

I don't much care. Mind your damn business, is all I have to say.

Very simple concept, shouldn't be hard to comply with.

And if you choose not to comply? Then that is also fine, two can play at that.

Posters above have said it all. I dunno who betrayed who when one region invaded another.

Not to mention the events shortly after independence. We still have yet to extract our pound of flesh for those acts of sabotage.

Absolutely irrelevant. Mind your business. A very simple concept.

[quote author=EzeUche! link=topic=685391.msg8494655#msg8494655 date=1307722524]Yoruba's business is all Nigerians' business. We are all in this nation together. [/quote]No, it is not. Keep your damn nose out of it.

Fine and well, but stay in your lane and mind your business.

^-- Why are you poking your Igbo nose into business that doesn't concern you? Stay in your lane

At least on paper, the turnout was 80%+ in some states in the SS and SE. Or so we are supposed to believe.

[quote author=High_Chief link=topic=686220.msg8493584#msg8493584 date=1307713565]Ndigbo tried joining forces with the SW in the past[/quote]When was this

2muchlogic:
3. Establishment of more free trade areas all over Africa for Africans.

What do you mean by this? Especially that "for Africans" part?

I wish state police would happen. Governors and states are not directly responsible for the security in their states under the current system. Very unfortunate.

Africa is blessed. Mismanaged, but very blessed as a continent

step1:
1. She is not a deity per say she is metaphorically called a "deity" by zstranger to explain her importance or "the awo family's" importance in Yorubaland.

I have never been a man to hero worship families. That we respect and admire Awolowo doesn't even mean that he is not above criticism. Or are we saying that he is infallible, or not a human being?

The same is doubly true for his family. Why is his family above criticism?

With that said, I don't agree with the rude language Omatseye used. He made it too personal with the divorce stuff, imo. . . that crosses the line.

2. Is it not obvious they are short of ideas. What did Tinubu do in his terms as the governor ? Dapo lets be realistic ACN is afloat in Lagos because of fashola alone.

Heh. I don't know, I didn't follow Nigerian politics closely from 1999-2007. But I know that Lagos State could not have become the 5th largest economy in sub-Saharan Africa during Fashola's tenure alone. So Tinubu's tenure couldn't have been completely disastrous.

Regarding ideas and policies, even as far back as 1999 Tinubu introduced this PPP idea with the 270MW he wanted from Enron. Though this failed to some extent (the power was not allocated to Lagos, but was shared nationally), is this not show far more creativity than most other governors in Nigeria, even at the time? Compare this to the failed Tinapa, for example

3. His files were with Ribadu but Ribadu stu.pidly threw it away in the hope that Tinubu would make him the president which he did not deliver.

He either is a felon or he is not. There is no intermediate status; it is binary. He has not been convicted of a felony in the US or in Nigeria.

Hehe

Nigerians are kind of patriotic

There is a lot of potential if we could settle our internal differences, I guess

Maybe this "one nigeria" philosophy isn't as bad as I thought

Three comments:

1. How on earth did Mama Awolowo become a "deity?" What on earth did she do to get to this status? Even Awolowo is not that in my eyes, not to mention his wife. Criticizing her and the family is fine, but the rude language Omatseye used is not.
2. Regarding the ACNs political views, they seem to be (A) fiscally leftist on most issues, (B) pro-business/private sector on others, and (C) fiscally federalist. I have no clue why anyone will say that they are empty of ideas or have no platform. Means you've not really been following recent events in Lagos and other states, I guess?
3. Tinubu is not a felon. We know he settled out of court on his money laundering case. If he was ever convicted of a felony, provide evidence.

lol @ father's name being nigeria

+1

Sai OAM4J

Hrm

So people who change their last names are probably osu? I know a few families like that who've changed to a christian last name.

lmao @ zeroth citizen.

You, your people who will likely never taste the presidency while Nigeria exists as a country?

You, who were only given SGF depite "voting" massively for GEJ?

Wonders will never cease.

Next I'll see a dog smoking a cigar

I wonder a bit about how some people think.

Tinubu is not really relevant here. I don't even see why we are talking about him. He wasn't the one who wrote the article. Perhaps he agrees 100% with the sentiment, but again that is irrelevant. . . you cannot "blast" someone for a work they didn't author. The author should have criticized Awo's family with more tact and less rudeness. In that respect, he erred.

But as for Segun Oni and some youth group that probably didn't exist before today to be blasting Tinubu? A guy who didn't even write the article?   They are just playing politics. . . trying to score cheap points.

And I should extend "they" to include Eziachi and EzeUche.

I don't see how the good works of one man also covers the (perceived?) bad works of his family.

Is it the name Awolowo that is respected in the SW, or the actions of the man?

For me I respect the latter.

kidnapping corpers? wow

Interesting.

Confirmed on Twitter:

http://twitter.com/#!/iamdbanj

Congratulations homie!

Wishing him a lot of success in conquering the American market

And nearly 5 years later, how far?

na wa o

interesting

hmm