₦airaland Forum

aribisala0:
actually few people learn english at uni if you have not got the basics at high school you probably never will even if you eat a thesaurus

lol @ eat a thesaurus.

Literature was not even something I focused on. I kid you not, I've not taken a literature course since my final year of HS. I just read a lot of books as a kid.

Yet to our Igbo übermensch, this is me using a thesaurus 

Like I said. . . all this arrogance makes me laugh sometimes

ezeagu:
Enugu had squatter camps.

Which ones are you referring to? The ones from the war, or. . . ?

Ibadan founded by colonialists

Then you'd better correct all these historians who think it was founded in 1829. Clearly they are wrong, you are correct.

Ibadan had much more time.

Jesu. So you have this huge city that is using 1829 designs. Poorly designed roads, no drainage, etc. . . because it was founded in the 19th century. Versus another one founded in the 20th century by white colonialists. So how does time exactly help in this situation? Time is effectively your enemy, when it comes to building a new city. If the US decides to build a new capital today in Illinois, don't you think it will be better designed/planned than their current one? It time going to make DC a nicer city than the fresh city built in the cornfields of Illinois?

No excuses.

Old cities like London or Rome? The war camp didn't have industrialisation till the British came, and I didn't know the British created Enugu landmark's like Michael Okpara square, or famous roads like Independence Avenue. As if Lagos and Badagry is not there.

You have a long task ahead of you, to convince the world. They seem to have the wrong idea.

EzeUche, so you think when I write my posts, I am consulting a thesaurus?  

That you must use a thesaurus/dictionary to read my posts means I'm using one to construct them?

This is why this Igbo superiority stuff makes me crack up.

ezeagu:
What are these reasons?

1. Ibadan, much larger population.
2. Enugu founded by colonialists
3. Enugu founded much later.

Even in the US or Europe, older cities/towns are much different from modern, new ones. Newer cities have wider roads, usually have a master plan, etc, etc.

Presumably the warlords who founded Ibadan in 1829 didn't have an architect to map out a master plan for 'em

EzeUche:
It is as simple 1 + 1 = 2. I laugh at how many of you believe that you have a vastly superior intellect, but simply sound like fools. You even some who thinks looking at the thesaurus to find synonyms of common words.

UMD is a great school. I was able to get a full ride due to my intellect and yes, I will "lord" over those I see as intellectually inferior to me.

Cannot believe I missed this.

Me? Thesaurus?

I dey laff o.

With all that said. . . urbanization in Yorubaland is no sign of superiority in any way, shape or form.

It is primarily due to some terrible wars we fought amongst each other. If we hadn't fought those wars, Ibadan wouldn't have been founded, population would have be more spread out, etc.

Main point of this is to correct some misconceptions. Ibadan isn't likely to be as pretty as Enugu, for several reasons already stated in this thread.

EzeUche:
You fail to realize your own Yoruba brother has been using Wikepedia to support p his statements throughout this thread. Selective amnesia is a terrible disease.

I asked you to DISPUTE the statements quoted there! None of you disputed their accuracy. My post is still there; quote it and show me anything there you disagree with.

@ezeagu: I stand corrected. . . you certainly appear to have had at least one town above 13k prior to colonization.

ezeagu:
All I understand is "overgrown village" which is not attractive to anyone.

A bowl can only be filled with water to capacity. And if a small bowl, then it won't hold very much. See if you can "understand" that

fstranger3:
It is one of the shyytier schools on the East Coast.

Not true at all, major exaggeration. It is a well-above-average state school. But it is no Georgia Tech, UVA, etc. And even a UVA grad wouldn't be talking sh1t to people anyhow.

ezeagu:
Better yet, Cambridge, which says:

This is a study of Ibadan, the largest indigenous African city south of the Sahara. Ibadan began its existence as a war-camp and has retained, to a large extent, the structure of an overgrown village. In the core of the town, settled in the nineteenth century, the people live together in large family compounds. The new elites live in the peripheral modern suburbs but here individual homes are the rule. The two sections of the city depend on one another economically and the commercial and industrial development of new Ibadan is modifying the life of the old city. The book is a symposium based on a series of papers presented at a seminar organised by the Institute of African Studies at the University of Ibadan. Each contributor is an expert in his own field and together they provide a comprehensive survey of the history, geography, sociology and political structure of this remarkable city. All sides of the city's life and structure are examined in relation to one another; the book deals with the city as a whole and not single aspects of it.

From that, you conclude that was not a city prior to 1893? It was just a "overgrown village"? Do you not see the difference between the phrases 'retained the structure of an overgrown village' and 'is a village'?

ezeagu:
I did, and I found out about its over grown village status and that industrialisation was started by the British, now what happened to that industrialisation that they did for Ibadan?

To you, was it not a city before the industrialization coming about due to colonization? It was a city/town/whatever-you-want-to-call it of 120k when the British found it. Did the British meet anything in Igboland of even 10k?

I'm not the one who wrote that Wikipedia page. I'm not the historians who have recorded the town as being founded by the Brits. Petition them, you don't need to beg me.

How much is a plot of land in the residential area? That is the main question of interest to me right now

ezeagu:
As in what happened to the city the British gave to you?

Which city did the British build for us? You are claiming Ibadan was built by the British? Honestly dude. . . do some Googling. Better yet, go on JSTOR

I wouldn't get too wound up. Internet sh1ttalking is just for fun, nothing too serious. It isn't like we are fighting each other in the street. Isn't at the crips and bloods level

ezeagu:
What happened to industrial Ibadan?

What do you mean?

fstranger3:
Dont mind that doofus. He is an ediot. He thinks like your typical AA/Igbo affirmative action student

Very daft boy, i must confess.

Olodo jati jati

And it pains me that this is the sort of guy who will be acting superior. Imagine, a UMD graduate disrespecting Nigerian graduates anyhow. Not even the best university in the state of Maryland, nor the best public school in that area. I hope Sefago doesn't find him and abuse him

Anyway, don't think he is a reflection of your typical UMD graduate. It is a good school, just not good enough to start poppin collars like you went to Harvard

bashr4:
none of the cities i mentined was founded by a white man

I'm going to look deeply into the history of each one of them over the weekend, if I have some free time. Origins of Enugu have been made clear; will be interesting to find out who founded each of the others.

Anyway, don't get me wrong. .  .there is nothing wrong with inheriting something nice that someone else built. Just don't try to lord it over someone else.

Really stunning. I'm glad. Sai Eko Atlantic, sai Fashola, sai Lagos

Beaf:
^
You're lucky its time for the Shanhai F1 first practice. I would have beaten eggs out of your rusty bigoted arse.

When you return, we can continue I enjoy this.

And on that note. . . I'm out

Wasted too much time on nairaland today.

Anyway, next time some Igbo man brags about the cities he inherited from whitey built, just remind him of the origin of those cities.

ezeagu:
Hahah. See somebody from Lagos picking pictures of rubbish. I'll spare the thread of Lagos horrors and Makoko wonders that we all saw on BBC.

Ibadan was burnt down, became a British colony and was industrialised in 1893, . . . . bro . . .

Why are you wilfully misreading the article? It was founded in 1829, burned down in a fire sometime after that, was rebuilt. 60+ years later.

Here is what you quoted:

Colonial Ibadan
[size=18pt]In 1893 Ibadan area became a British Protectorate after a treaty signed by Fijabi, the Baale of Ibadan with the British acting Governor of Lagos, George C. Denton on 15 August.[3] By then the population had swelled to 120,000. [/size]The British developed the new colony to facilitate their commercial activities in the area, and Ibadan shortly grew into the major trading center that it is today.

Did you even have an city/town in 1893 with a population of 10,000? Not to talk of 120,000? 1893 Ibadan was as populous as 1850 Philly. . .

Now, are you claiming that it didn't come into existence until 1893, when the British colonized it?

Contrast this with Enugu, where the white man bought some land from ya'll to build a city. And banished ya'll to the native side of town in the city he built  

Anyway, it is all good. You have some nice cities in the East, that the white man built for you.

Lagos too probably benefited a lot from the white man. But let's not act like you guys built them from scratch. Because that would be a flat out lie.

ezeagu:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibadan

Awwwww.

Ibadan came into existence in 1829.[2] According to local historians, Lagelu, the Jagun (commander-in-chief) of Ife and Yoruba's generalissimo, left Ile Ife with a handful of people from Ife, Oyo and Ijebu to found a new city, Eba Odan, which literally means 'between the forest and plains.' According to HRH Sir Isaac Babalola Akinyele, the late Olubadan (king) of Ibadan (Olu Ibadan means Lord of Ibadan), in his authoritative book on the history of Ibadan, Iwe Itan Ibadan, printed in 1911, the first city was destroyed due to an incident at an Egungun (masquerade) festival when an Egungun was accidentally disrobed and derisively mocked by women and children in an open marketplace full of people. In Yorubaland, it was an abomination for women to look an Egungun in the eye because the Egunguns were considered to be the dead forefathers who returned to the earth each year to bless their progeny. When the news reached Sango, the then Alaafin of Oyo, he commanded that Eba Odan be destroyed for committing such abominable act.
Lagelu was by now an old, frail man; he could not stop the destruction of his city, but he and some of his people survived the attack and fled to a nearby hill for sanctuary. On the hill they survived by eating oro fruit and snails; later, they cultivated the land and made corn and millets into pap meals known as oori or eko, which they ate with roasted snails. They improvised a bit by using the snail shells to drink the liquefied eko. Ultimately, Lagelu and his people came down from the hill and founded another city called Eba'dan.
The new city instantly grew prosperous and became a commercial nerve centre. Shortly afterwards, Lagelu died, leaving behind a politically savvy people and a very stable community. The newly enthroned Olubadan made a friendly gesture to the Olowu of Owu by allowing Olowu to marry his only daughter, Nkan. Coming from a war campaign one day, the raging Odo Oba (River Oba) would not allow Olowu and his army to cross until a human sacrifice was performed to appease the angry river. The chosen sacrifice was Nkan. The Olubadan was infuriated at hearing of Nkan's death; he sent an emissary to inform the Alafin of Oyo. Yoruba kings and rulers such as Alake of Egba, Agura of Gbagura, Ooni of Ife, Awujale of Ijebu and others formed a formidable coalition with Eba'dan against the powerful Olowu of Owu. After the defeat of Owu, many of the warriors that participated in the coalition refused to go back to their towns and cities except the Ijebu warriors. They began attacking the neighboring towns and hamlets, and also marauded across Eba'dan thereby making the indigenes fearful of them. Finally, they took over the political landscape of Eba'dan and changed its name to Ibadan, as we have come to know it.

Ibadan was founded in 1829, bro. . .

I'm shaking in my boots, bro.

Truly and utterly terrified of you:
http://1.bp..com/_2BNNlNbS1Z8/TDz33u-QdCI/AAAAAAAAAbg/LblCNpp-g0w/s1600/internet+Gangster+copy.jpg

A people that had no major cities before colonization are now telling me they built Enugu. All of those towns in the SE were founded by Mr Whitey.

So get off your high horses and stop acting superior or better than anyone else.

EzeUche:
It is as simple 1 + 1 = 2. I laugh at how many of you believe that you have a vastly superior intellect, but simply sound like fools. You even some who thinks looking at the thesaurus to find synonyms of common words.

UMD is a great school. I was able to get a full ride due to my intellect and yes, I will "lord" over those I see as intellectually inferior to me.

Dude, it is a good school, but you cannot lord it over anyone. With all due respect, that is silly. It isn't even the best public schools in that region. . . UVA is. Anyway, no reason to bring degrees into it, let arguments stand on their own merit.

EzeUche:
You should believe everything you read on Wikipedia. It stunts your brain.

When did white people start using words like Enugu? Hmmm 

Retell the story to us Mr. Onye Ocha.

Na wa o. So the fact that it has an Igbo name means that it was founded by Igbos? Rather than the colonial adminstrators who founded the town just using a local name, or the name of the village nearby?

I won't retell the story. Instead, how about you tell me which aspects of the following description of its history you dispute:

In 1915 the British began talks with the indigenous people of the land that would become Enugu about its acquisition in order to lay the Eastern Line railway and to build a colliery. The first houses built in the area were in a temporary settlement consisting of Igbo traditional mud housing inhabited by a W.J. Leck and some other Europeans on Milliken Hill. Another settlement known as Ugwu Alfred (Igbo: Alfred's Hill) or "Alfred's Camp", inhabited by an Alfred Inoma (a leader of indigenous labourers from Onitsha) and his labourers, was located on a hillside.[18][23] After the land acquisition by the British, Frederick Lugard, the Governor-General of Nigeria at the time, named the colliery built at the bottom of the Udi Hills Enugu Coal Camp to distinguish it from Enugwu Ngwo[2] which overlooks the city from atop a scarp on Enugu's west.[24] The first coal mine in the Enugu area was the Udi mine opened in 1915 which was shut down two years later and replaced with the Iva Valley mine.[25][26] Enugu became a major coal mining area and the only significant one in West Africa.[18] The Eastern Line railway connecting Enugu with Port Harcourt was completed in 1916 in order to export the coal through its seaport[14][25] of which the city was created for this purpose.[27] Enugu became one of the few cities in West Africa created out of contact with Europeans.[1] By 1916 parts of Enugu reserved for Europeans were set up by the colonial government. The area now known as the Government Reserved Area (GRA) became the European Quarters located north of the Ogbete River; alongside this was a section developed for African residents located south of the river. The built-up area of Enugu comprised these two areas, and by 1917 the city officially gained township status. On the African side of the city a rapid influx of migrant workers sparked the development of squatter camps on the Udi Hills near the coal mines and the Iva Valley.[23]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enugu#Early_history

ezeagu:
While you laugh at Aba, unfortunately, the only working city in your region is Lagos and we know the story behind that. You're at a stand still.

I prefer quality over quantity, personally. Give me a NYC over 20 Detroits. . . .

Oh, and, I was talking about Nigeria when I mentioned cocaine.

OK, fair enough. You are probably right about that, I wouldn't know. I only know that the South America->Europe routes tend to involve Igbos.

EzeUche:
You should never enter my realm. If you understand how global markets are changing, you would understand that soon China will be exporting their manufacturing base as their people become wealthy. As the Chinese people become more wealthy, they will have to look to other regions to produce goods. This is basic economics. Higher incomes mean higher cost of production.

1) They still have a huge hinterland of unemployed peasants. This helps to reduce the increase of labor costs.
2) The manufacturing is shifting over to other East Asia countries where labor is cheap. Nigeria unfortunately won't be able to compete unless we get electricity  

ezeagu:
And what is Ibadan?

Ibadan was founded by the white man ?!?!?!

LMAO

EzeUche:
Too bad my education trumps your education in every way. Do not talk to your superiors in such a manner. It is unbecoming of a peasant.

Jesu Kristi. A UMD graduate lording his degree over anyone? Don't go there, don't do it. Please.

It is a good school, and I am loyal to it since I grew up in the state. But you cannot lord your degree over anyone.

Enugui, a city founded by the white man?

LWKMD

Read about the history of your beloved Enugu. It is there on Wikipedia for everyone to see.