₦airaland Forum

EzeUche:
And I must say these Ekiti Yorubas have a lot of pride. I always hear about Ekiti blah blah blah.

No Ondo or Osun but Ekiti. And sometimes Kwara but for negative reasons.

They were very unlucky to be kept in the Northern region. Really has had a negative impact over time  
[quote author=tpiah! link=topic=641673.msg8077856#msg8077856 date=1302241677]there are plenty of yoruba women in sports.

eg falilat ogunkoya and other ones too.

i think yorubas are a bit lazy at documenting or highlighting these things.

maybe we fear the evil eye and bad belle.[/quote]Relax. Every time we actually look at data, this Igbo triumphalism turns out to be greatly exaggerated. They are prone to boastfulness and bragging. . . any advantage they claim, divide by 100 and you get closer to the truth

Pweety4me:
[color=#550077]What's so special about ekiti people sef? who r they?[/color]

The indomitable and mighty Ekiti people? The slayers of giants and dragons? The most noble people in all of Africa? What is so special about them?

If you have to ask, then no amount of telling will ever let you know.

Aigbofa:
Too many koranic schools, I guess.

Those koranic schools need to be banned. I dunno. Even in catholic schools I know, don't you spend at most 1 hr a day on religion? You then spend the other 7 or 8 on real academics. Studying religion all day in school will put you too far behind in life  
[quote author=Ileke-IdI link=topic=641673.msg8077780#msg8077780 date=1302240774]High number of Northerners. Even tho Kwara is a Yoruba state, it's mixed with non Yorubas. High numbers of Northerners tends to lower one's state's literacy rate.[/quote]Kwara is probably 70%+ Yoruba. So cannot pin it down on non-Yoruba. The #s are too low. . . leadership needs to step up their game.

[quote author=Kilode?! link=topic=641092.msg8077305#msg8077305 date=1302231481]Simply means I'm bendable, but it has to be on  mutual terms, my money and resources belongs to me. I can pass a fair share to the State, then to the Federal through taxes. I can easily justify a system that implements that fundamentally.

But right now, the right of first appropriation belongs to the Federal and state government, that is unfair. I can give a % not 50  but you should not have the Right to take it out, I should be giving it to you. Ownership matters, both economically and psychologically.

Tryna expose your brotha?   but  seriously I think they can, don't mean I will let them

I agree. I doubt any sensible SSner will disagree.[/quote]Fair enough. Just wait about 20 years to pull out the ladder from underneath me   Or, alternatively if electricity starts running 24/7, then you can boost derivations from 13% to even as high as 75%, if you like. Which that running, I can find an alternate (and more lucrative) revenue resource pretty easily.

What is the deal with Kwara? Why is it doing so poorly? It is pretty much a Yoruba state. Why the low literacy levels?

EzeUche: This is the same BBC data. . . or rather, where they pilfered it from

Pweety4me:
[color=#550077]Y is it always igbo's & yoruba's ? plse get a grip![/color]

We love each other

Or hate, I dunno which

I don't want to post the NW and NE ones, they are just frightening. Minus Kaduna, which seems to be doing OK.

Enjoy SS:
https://i54.tinypic.com/14syypz.png
http://www.unicef.org/nigeria/ng_publications_South_South_zonal_fact_sheet_(English).pdf

Ekiti will improve on most of these metrics. . . Fayemi knows what he is doing.

Kwara and Kogi need to step it up quite a bit:
https://i55.tinypic.com/314sb9s.png

Links:
http://pdf.usaid.gov/pdf_docs/PNADQ923.pdf
http://www.unicef.org/nigeria/ng_publications_South_West_zonal_fact_sheet_(English).pdf
http://www.unicef.org/nigeria/ng_publications_South_East_zonal_fact_sheet_(English).pdf

Also, what is up with Ebonyi?

Literacy rates for the SE:
https://i54.tinypic.com/2cd8pxv.png

Literacy rates for the SW:
https://i53.tinypic.com/2djqkoy.png

[quote author=tpiah! link=topic=641673.msg8077573#msg8077573 date=1302237636]^^i meant the way you phrased it:[/quote]Me and my buddies joke about that type of stuff. I dunno if other groups of mixed-race friends (white, black, asian, indians) do the same too, though.

fstranger3:
You are such a friggin liar

You are just 23 yrs old?  When did you start dating? and how many girls, not women, have you dated?

You claim that there are more Igbos in America and very few Yorubas, yet you are boasting to have dated enough Yorubas?

Must you Ibos lie? For d-i-c-k's sake?

You are really immature, I must confess, and very stupiddd, I must add. :::SMH:::

He lives in the DC area. Most of the Nigerians there are Yoruba. School he goes to, most of the Nigerians there are Yoruba. So seems reasonable he'd end up dating 'em.

[quote author=tpiah! link=topic=641673.msg8077543#msg8077543 date=1302237270]^^do they? [/quote]Hrm, yes. I don't have the statistics handy, but you can probably Google around and find them yourself. Asian women tend to marry white guys at a high rate. Asian guys don't seem to get white girls much.

[quote author=tpiah! link=topic=641673.msg8077535#msg8077535 date=1302237139]i wonder why so many of you think this is unacceptable or disturbing to anyone anywhere?

am i missing something.[/quote]I'm mostly just kidding. Same way white dudes joke about taking away asian women from asian men, black dudes taking away white chicks from white men, etc.

Fix the Lagos-Benin road, Goofluck!

EzeUche:
Do not understand why people will talk about Igbo "arrogance" when the writer of the article is a well-meaning Yoruba.

Me, I was more responding to some of the posts in this thread. Not the original post/article.

He observed Igbo women excelling and people cannot deny that.

No more than I can deny the nose on my face.

Even literacy rates among Igbo women are the highest in Nigeria and probably Africa in general. We value our women. That is suppose to be celebrated and emulated.

Agreed. And your Igbo women taken away from you, as well 

Alj Uche:
i know, i felt the same reading NL until you meet them for real you would know who they are

there are 2 types of igbos

1 are the carefree loving igbos awho would treat everyone equally

2 are the igbo supremasist that believe they are specially created and better than the world

NL is an amusing place, I don't take it too seriously.

It makes me laugh a bit though. . . the TRULY most talented people on earth (Jews), have you observed how humble they are, at least in their interactions with others? A girl I dated in the past, Jewish chick. While my ancestor in the 1700s was some illiterate hunter/juju man, hers was a rich businessman of some sort in Poland. Yet she never put on any airs, showed any arrogance, etc.

Contrast this with some Nairaland Igbo (to be clear, not all of them, just some). If your typical Jew shows that much humility (relative to his talent level at least, let me not call them humble in an absolute sense ), how much more your typical Igbo? Arrogance is a terrible disease. . . only fruit it yields is hatred.

Anyway, let me not derail this thread 

The achievements of the Igbo woman are great indeed and should be celebrated by all. Kudos to them, and hopefully everyone learns the value of uplifting their womenfolk.

PhysicsMHD:
I haven't traveled around the world. I live here in the U.S. and I'm in college right now, so I'm not basing my observation on cursory glances through name lists or on sampling from afar.

Let me make it simpler:

1. Igbos have a population of 25-30 million.
2. Igbos go to America more than a country like the UK, so there is already a disproportionately higher number of them in the U.S. when compared with Yoruba.
3. Yet, they don't seem to edging out the Yorubas academically in the U.S., whether we're talking about students in engineering and medicine, or about going on to grad school and/or becoming professors. You would think the gap would be large enough to where you could notice it if what you're asserting is actually true, but the gap between Igbo and Yoruba must be either insignificantly small or not actually existent, despite the (reasonable) assumption that there are more Igbos in the U.S. to begin with.

This is pretty much the same thing I've seen. From what I've experienced here in the US (as a guy who has lived here almost his entire life) they aren't too different from everyone else. Not really different from the other Africans, Nigerians, Caribbeans, AAs you'll meet at top schools. . . no overwhelming numerical advantage. . . in fact, most of the time no numerical advantage.

It was only when I started reading Nairaland that I heard of this Igbos as übermenschen theory. If you read Nairaland alone, you'll get the impression that they are pretty much Jews (who are imo are on average a cut above the rest), immigrant Koreans/Chinese/Indians/Persians, or some other extremely high-achieving, badass group.

Who knows, maybe things are different in naija. I've not really observed this personally from my visits, though.

EzeUche:
What about white American with Polish ancestry Anglicize his last name. This is quite common amongst European immigrants who came to the U.S., in which "native" Americans cannot pronounce their names. That caused them to change their last names for them to be easier to pronounce. Maybe the last name Petrykowski will be change to Petercrow or something of that nature.

Generations later, people would forget that there ancestor was Polish.

I don't think people really forget? This is the sort of thing that gets passed on. Like, the Tinubu family in Lagos. . . I think they have some sort of Hausa ancestor? Yet they view themselves as Yoruba today. Isn't as if they've forgotten their origin. . .just their culture has changed.

Heck, even me. . . supposedly my distant ancestor is not originally from Ekiti. He is from somewhere else in Yorubaland. If I ask my father he can tell me the town that ancestor of ours is from (I cannot remember exactly off the top of my head.) But today, we are purely Ekiti.

PhysicsMHD:
lol

You really believe this?  

What language did they speak? That is what I've heard; I don't know what the facts are. Feel free to correct my wrong impression.

[quote author=Ileke-IdI link=topic=641732.msg8077233#msg8077233 date=1302229168]The deal, which covers five years, was sealed after a competitive bidding involving five other companies.[/quote]Pretty nice accomplishment.

[quote author=Kilode?! link=topic=641092.msg8076848#msg8076848 date=1302221373]^^-- That is what some of the federal government revenue generated through taxes will address.

The role model of federalism -USA- still gives Federal grants to States. Even an Oil rich State like Texas collects billions in Education aid from the Federal Government. That is why the power of the Central Government wil never go away completely, but the control it has over the Federating States will be drastically reduced.[/quote]I think you are answering a slightly different question, no? Basically, there will be some states that generate less tax revenue than they amount they demand. Currently, for all but a few states, that is true. So again, what incentive does a net "+" state have to merge with a net "-" one? (For example, the British merged the Northern and Southern protectorates because the Northern one cost money and the Southern one generated money. If it had been up the people of the South (or their representatives), they would have opposed such a merger.)

^^--That is where competition comes in. If you study the Federal fiscal tax map of the USA you will notice that California, New-York and Texas basically eclipsed more than 25 states in federal revenue contribution. Of course, because they make more,  they get to keep more, but they still contribute most of the revenue that goes into aids, defence, welfare and entitlement programs across all 50 states.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_tax_revenue_by_state

So, as long as we have enough states generating revenue, all we need to do is allow them keep it and pay as they earn. It is a fairer more justifiable version of the forceful sharing we have right now.

The forceful sharing we have now is pretty much the same as what exists in the US. Just the formulas used are different. Take a look at this link, for example:
http://www.taxfoundation.org/research/show/266.html

New Mexico gets $2.03 of FG spending for every $1 is gives to the FG. Washington, DC gets $5.55 for every $1 it generates for the FG.

New Jersey=$0.61, Nevada at $0.65, etc. If you look at it though, everything falls roughly between this $2.00, $0.60 boundary (aside from DC).

The sharing is not what makes Nigeria different from the US. The issue is that a similar chart for Nigeria might be $100.00, $0.05 as the boundaries.

I do agree, getting as close to parity (getting $1 from the FG for every $1 you contribute) would be ideal. But that isn't really the topic of this thread.

If Zamfara or Wyoming are tired of living at the mercy of California or Delta State, then they should find a way to make their strategic resource (whatever that may be) generate more or just make do with what they have. We can't all be big like California or Lagos or Delta.

Even Nevada had to put some good a$$ booties in that Las Vegas desert to attract money, get creative!

I'm fine with that. All I'm saying is, don't rapidly alter this formula in the short term.

^^-- It is not lost revenue if it did not belong to you in the first place. But your state has Cocoa, It has arable land,great tourism potentials, comparatively well educated and cosmopolitan citizens, great place to put R&, great commercialized Agric potentials, and if all else fails, you can apply to merge with Ondo State 

I'm not questioning the ownership of the resources. I'm just saying. . . attempts to rapidly change revenue allocation will have a pretty negative impact on those effected in the short term.

^^^-- Military defence? free access to market? free capital and federal grants from richer sisters like Ondo, Bayelsa, Lagos, Delta, Akwa Ibom, Rivers? I will think twice before leaving all that on the table, I will agree if I can somehow take it by force

It depends on what the total value of that basket of goods on the table is.

Let them keep their money and pay taxes. You will still benefit from that, and who knows, they might one day need you too, Ask the Detroit city of yesterday.

As I said, that is effectively what happens now.

@kalokalo: That is a very good argument for diversifying the tax base (and economy) away from oil rents. And slowly over time, that is occurring, as the non-oil portion of the nation's GDP grows.

But practically speaking. . . it is one thing to tell state X, "Hey, your internally generated revenue is very low, increase it!" and "Hey, right now 90% of your revenue is from the FG (and thus oil), let's take it away!"

The former I completely support. The latter if done carelessly would lead to chaos. You take away 90% of a state's revenue tomorrow, then the entire infrastructure of jobs, government employees, education, etc that are dependent on that are in danger of completely falling apart.

I agree, in a perfect world, all states would be self-sufficient. But currently, they are not. . . and it will take some time to get there.

kalokalo:
I still wonder why every state can't assess its residents of taxes the way its done in civilized climes The average population of a state in Nigeria is over 4 million (150 million / 36 states). Are we saying that millions of residents cannot pay the taxes that will support that state?

That in my opinion should be done one top of whatever revenues a state receives from the FG.

Why are we such rent seekers in nigeria where we have to depend on rent from exported oil? Imagine what would happen if oil prices crash to below $20 in the international market as they did in the eighties? We would be forced to implement austerity measures . The boom and bust cycles engendered by our rentier state status is not sustainable

Hrm. How is this different from any export-based economy, though? The boom-busts with raw commodities tend to be more sharp, I guess. But even states like Germany that export lots of finished products, their economy is sensitive to global trends.

Oil has remained the glue that keeps Nigeria together. How long that continues remains to be seen.

Agreed. Imo, 100% oil derivation => may as well split the country up.

I'm still waiting to see how Kilode?! will answer the three questions I posed to him.

Beaf:
Thanks jare!
I exposed eku_bear as a right fool on another thread a couple of days ago, when he was arguing out of his smelly arse (as usual);

The thread where you showed you didn't know the difference between GDP (ppp) and GDP/capita? Where you claimed your governor stealing $3 billion+ from your state was insignificant? The only thing you demonstrated is that thread is that you are a dumbass.

thats whats bugging him and causing him to make cowardly attacks in tiny size fonts.

I enjoy embedding puzzles and jokes in my posts. Now, the purpose of the small font was to prompt a curious reader (one not on a cell phone) into finding out what is written there, and reward that curious reader with the joke.

Beaf, I've been calling out your lack of integrity for months now. It is nothing new; my disgust for you is something I've never hidden. I take shots at you nearly on a daily basis (and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future.)

^-- Some questions for you:

1) Who would want a financial burden to merge with them? Keep in mind that all but a few states have very low internally generated revenue, and thus are heavily dependent on gov't allocations.
2) For a state to "pay taxes" to the center, it needs to have something to be taxed, no? How many states actually have this?
3) For many state, IGR is at 10% or less. How should they replace that 90% of lost revenue, in the short term (and in the long term)?

I'm fine with 100% resource control, but then we may as well partition the country. Otherwise there is no real incentive to remain one.

fstranger3:
I dont think Beaf sold his integrity for N100, I highly doubt it.

I think 6 bags of rice and only God-knows how many Umlbleeeelas are worth more than a mere N100.

LMAO

Yeah it sort of annoys me when people compare him to convicts

I'm not claiming he is more innocent than a convict, but he is certainly more clever.

Beaf:
You wouldn't even know the meaning of the word, integrity, because its not one of those used in the gutter.

Beaf, no matter; you and those who live in your gutter didn't know the meaning of the term either before they sold it. I'm more interested in knowing whether I can get a better price than you did.

That is fine. Won't be much effort to ignore your posts.