₦airaland Forum

kalokalo:
When the real estate bubble bursts in Nigeria, what happened in the US / UK will be like child's play!! Imagine plots of land on Banana Island retailing for N450 million ($3 million) and to nearly a Billion Naira ($ 7 million) for old Ikoyi. That is the kind of money you would shell out for mansions in Malibu, CA or ocean front mansions in Hawaii. The stock market crash hasnt taught us a lesson


Enjoy it while it lasts

Nigeria is far more densely populated than the US, though. Especially Lagos. Also, given the cash and carry nature of society, seems less likely that this is a bubble but genuine demand vs. supply (compare to the US housing bubble was in part caused by easy credit, where you could buy homes with no money down, no interest payments for a few months. . . )

So not sure that the two situations are fundamentally the same.

sbeezy8:
yoruba ACN igbo APGA PPA or what ever, Hausa ANPP CPC or what.

no diluting of the parties

Why? Let the best party win.

Speaking of Hickson, he was nearly as bad as Jamison on defense. Bad shows, blown assignments, miscommunications, you name it. Antawn Jamison is easily the worst defensive forward I have ever seen in my life, but Hickson isn’t a whole lot better defensively. Jamison and Hickson make Blatche and McGee look like Duncan and Robinson.

http://www.cavstheblog.com/?p=4350

Absolutely hilarious

ezeagu:
Not when each of the groups have a better relationship with each other and actually need each other.

But the Slavs dislike each other? Ukraine beefing with Russia, Poland invaded by Russia and anti-Russian, etc, etc.

Likely I'm misunderstanding your analogy.

ladytravel:
Guys

This is serious business! [size=18pt]We[/size] have a Nigerian so close and we need to support [size=18pt]her[/size]. Americans are voting like crazy for their own people.

Please vote - http://www.lolagoesnorth.com - and please get others to vote as well. (The link is under [size=18pt]her[/size] photo)

Indeed. I'll ask my buddy eku_bear to vote, and tell him to ask his friends too 

Righton:
Babatunde Odunayo, managing director, Honeywell Flour Mills Ltd, told BusinessDay that they had not been on public power supply for a long time now, so he wouldn't know if they were supplying up to 4,000 megawatts.

"Because we do not feel the impact of electricity supply from the national grid, we do not depend on them. You know, in manufacturing, any slight cut in power supply can destroy a whole production process, so, relying on PHCN will make us waste our raw materials and spend more".

A sad state of affairs. Must be tough to compete running on diesel when your competitors abroad are using cheap electricity. No wonder imports are still cheaper than goods made here.

ezeagu:
Slavic identity = Igbo identity.

That is all.

I thought you were a pan-Igbo sort of guy?

If so, that equality is very bad from your perspective, is it not?

Kilode?!:
eku_bear, Is this a smart#ss attempt to dethrone Becomrich?

Are you trying to replace the time tested theories of mapology with your spreadsheets?

We believe in maps not spreadsheets, even if they arrive at the same conclusion.

Youngman, be careful!

I am Becomerichn's apprentice. No chance I could replace the master

I guess my own perspective is a bit different. Benin Republic, Yoruba are not the the largest group there (the Fon are). . . yet due the importance of Cotonou and Porto Novo (economic and political capital, respectively, iirc) Yoruba culture and language has far more importance there than the #s would suggest.

Why would I want to carve off the Yoruba part of Benin when they have outsized importance there? Makes no sense, to me.

So long as borders are relatively open, my co-ethnics aren't oppressed, I'm fine.

This is why I'm not necessarily a fan of dividing up Kwara and Kogi and carving out a Yoruba state from both territories.

I'd much rather control (or have significant influence in) a large territory in which my group is only 55, 60% of the population than a smaller one in which we are 90%+.

Over the course of time, etc the remaining minority group will slowly drift over to my culture.

She was #2, then fell to #3?

Lola gon need more help than Nairaland can provide.

Lola'd better ask her friends on Facebook/Twitter to donate their statuses ASAP (especially the ones with thousands of friends) if she wants to have a better chance of winning.

Me personally, I don't care about stuff like that. We don't all need to be in the same country. English culture is dominant in America, Canada, UK, Australia, New Zealand. Do they feel a pressing need to merge the countries?

I could care less.

Anyway, regarding your larger point EzeUche, if the SW is allowed to develop an army (as the North currently has one), then I don't mind being in political union with anyone, north included 

EzeUche_:
And to the Northerners, you all destroyed your region, and now you will suffer. As the Sahara spreads to your region, do not come down to the East, because we will resist you. Now the same cannot be said of the South-West, because Yorubas believe that you are brothers with them. Spread your Sokoto Caliphate to that region, where Islam already exist.

[b]Desertification [/b]will solve our problems. Their region cannot sustain that population.

lol @ brothers

Though supposedly there is some tribe in the north who we mutually recognize as kin? Nupe, perhaps? I'm not quite sure which one. The History of the Yorubas mentions this, but doesn't say their name. . .

Communities in the ND should be watching this case.

QUITO, Ecuador—An Ecuadorean court ordered Chevron Corp. to pay more than $8.6 billion in damages for oil pollution that allegedly took place in the country's Amazon region, a milestone in a lawsuit that has been simmering since 1993.

But the legal battle, in which residents of the region allege that Texaco polluted their land, is nowhere near its conclusion. Chevron, which inherited the lawsuit when it bought Texaco in 2001, denies the allegations and vowed Monday to appeal the court's judgment.


The U.S. oil giant also has engaged in a massive effort that could postpone or derail the plaintiffs' attempts to collect any awards. Last Friday, an international tribunal in The Hague ordered Ecuador to temporarily suspend the enforcement of any potential judgments against Chevron.

A person familiar with the matter said that both the plaintiffs and Chevron were notified of the ruling early Monday by the Ecuadorean judge, and have until Thursday to submit an appeal. A copy of the verdict, which was reviewed by The Wall Street Journal, shows that the judge ordered Chevron to pay $5.4 billion to restore polluted soil; $1.4 billion to create a health system for the Amazon community; $800 million to treat sick people affected by the pollution, and about $1 billion to restore water sources, help native species recover and create a community program to rebuild local culture.

Pablo Fajardo, an attorney for the plaintiffs, said his team was still reviewing the 200-page document and couldn't give a full opinion until Tuesday. He said that although he didn't rule out the possibility of appealing to ask for a higher amount, the fact that the judge issued a ruling favorable to the plaintiffs was a "very positive step." Last summer the plaintiffs asked the court for $113 billion in damages.

Chevron said in a statement that the Ecuadorean court's ruling is "illegitimate and unenforceable."

"It is the product of fraud and is contrary to the legitimate scientific evidence. Chevron will appeal this decision in Ecuador and intends to see that justice prevails," the company added.

The San Ramon, Calif.-based oil company has long said it expected an adverse ruling, and in the past two years has sought to prove, through evidence dug up in U.S. courts, that the plaintiffs' case is fraudulent. The plaintiffs have rejected Chevron's claims of fraud.

Chevron shares rose 1.3% to $96.95 in 4 p.m. composite trading on the New York Stock Exchange. The stock has gained about 36% over the past year.

EDIT: culled from the WSJ

Arewa Republic seems a bit silly. Given that so much of the Northern economy is oil-dependent, hastily "seceding" from your bank account seems a bit shortsighted.

You'd need to find a new revenue source.

Very sad story.

He needs to sue the federal government for millions of dollars.

Cannot take away 15 years of someone's life without repercussions.

^-- Somehow people don't value good projects unless it directly impacts their pocketbook

^-- Not sure of the relevance, but a great song.

What sort of toothless threat is this?

Who would be upset if the north secedes? 

"Be careful. . . if you piss me off I'll give you 1 million dollars!"

Damn.

90s were probably a lost decade for us

Those pics of Zimbabwe look phenomenal.

And that is primarily agricultural money, I guess?

Nothing else that Zimbabwe really produces, right?

I agree with Jenifa, Ileke-Idi and Tsiya.

Plus reading in the dark by candlelight is a good way to mess up your eyes, isn't it?

dayokanu:
Did he get the primaries in CPC which he went to?

How hypocritical of him to complain about lack or primaries in ACN then jump to CPC and pick a ticket without primaries also

This is a good point.

Anyway, I don't want to derail the OPs thread. So perhaps we should take this elsewhere.

[quote="fstranger"]^^^^

First of all, what you did is really  impressive and thorough and comprehensive.

That said, I have never been to Kano and despite people's claim, very few people have been able to come up with a more believe figure. My beef with the UN values is that the UN never comes down to conduct their research, most of what they post are computer generated and when they are not, they are merely hear says from , probably disgruntled southerners,working at the UN.


Now going by your  conclusion that Kano's calculated density cannot be true because it places it above states like Osun, Ogun and some other states. I spent 6 yrs in Osun state, specifically in Ife and have been to Osogbo as well, and DK can correct me if I am wrong, Osun state is one of the least dense states in Nigeria, I dont have figures. But in Ife, you can go miles  and miles without any semblance of life beyond thick forests. even, if you look at the land mass OAU occupied, I have never seen anything else like that.  The same can be said about Ogun, at least, I have been to Ikenne and, if my recollection serves me right, while travelling through the town, I felt like I was in the middle of nowhere. Other places like CR, Delta, and Ekiti, I am not sure about.  And, going by what I have heard both on and off NL about Kano, I am inclined to believe the official figures.

Now, you also have to realize that there is a substantial difference in lifestyle. Southerners are more educated and more likely to migrate to the city while the northerners for most part still maintain their pre-independence lifestyle and are more likely to set up abode in the so called non urban area.

Until a credible census is conducted, this argument will continue to rear its ugly head.[/quote]Lifestyle ultimately has nothing to do with it. So you are telling me that:
A) Southerners are more likely to migrate to the city than Northerners
B) Yet Kano has both this huge city (Kano Metro area) AND its rural areas are more densely populated than some of the more poplated regions of the south?

It is a huge crock, man. It doesn't make any sense. Northern Kano has 377 people every square kilometer? More than twice as dense as Edo State?

I mean, does this seem plausible to you:
Northern Kano - 377 per square km
The State of Maryland, USA - 225 per square km
Rhode Island - 389 per square km
New Jersey - 453 per square km
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_population_density

It is just a cooked up #. I wouldn't be surprised if the listed population figure is a factor of 10 too high. Even 50 people per square km might be too generous. Kano State population figures are simply a lie.

Long story short, you cannot delete a major city from a region (Kano State) and expect a part of that region (Northern Kano) to have a population density still comparable to Rhode Island.

fstranger3:
So what makes you think it is more credible than the official figure?

Well, let's attack the problem from a slightly different perspective. Let's assume that the official Nigerian #s are roughly correct, and see what follows from this.

Kano in 2006, number listed is 9,401,288 (See here http://www.population.gov.ng/state/kanofinal.pdf).

Alright, so lets separate out the Kano Metro Area (See the 6 LGAs which constitute this here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kano_State), Northern Kano and Southern Kano.

You can take the population of each LGA, divide by the size of the LGA in square km. I've tabulated that on the first sheet of the following spreadsheet: https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AsNUaGBnBF1KdHlLcjFpbmZmdUYtenJtMHd1aFBJS0E&hl=en&authkey=CITEqpoD#gid=0

We get a density of 5600 per sq km for Kano Metro, 377.72 for Northern Kano, 296.67 for Southern Kano.

So in other words, we are calculating the population density of Kano minus the city of Kano and its metro areas. The non-urban parts of Kano.

How does these areas compare to the rest of Nigeria?

Well, I grabbed the population/land mass data from Wikipedia and stored it in sheet two of the above spreadsheet.

Here is the result: http://i51.tinypic.com/10covgm.jpg

So if we believe the officially published figures, then we also believe that the local governments of Northern Kano are more densely populated than all states of Nigeria aside from Lagos, Anambra, Imo, Akwa Ibom, Rivers, Enugu, Abia, and and Abonyi.

So we must then believe that Northern Kano is more densely populated than Cross River, Delta, Abuja, Ondo, Ogun, Osun, and Ekiti.

We must also believe that Southern Kano is more densely populated than Delta State, and only slightly less dense than Osun.

Now, from what you know about Nigeria, do you believe that non-urban Kano State is more densely populated than some of the more populated places in the south?

Maybe some might not be convinced about the falseness of the Kano #s from this, but for me this alone is enough. Then you tack on some of the other data available and it becomes pretty clear that the #s are fake.

fstranger3:
conducted by whom?

What do you mean? Like, which of their employees specifically. . . ? That I wouldn't know.

The 17 million isn't what I cited though, is it? That is Lagos State internal figures. Tbh, I don't trust those #s any more than I trust the Nigerian FGs.

The figures I have the most confidence in are those done by the UN.

Anyway, pretty clear that Kano State is not as populated as Lagos State.

Obiagu1:
But these figures tell you otherwise. The figure those organisations gave was false, absolutely false. They were just estimating when we have no reliable data to actually make a good and reasonable estimate.

Since I've followed elections in Nigeria, Kano state figures always cancels out Lagos own.
When you talk about Kano, it's huge with many towns.

It is what it is. I'm not saying that they are infallible, but I trust international demographers and statisticians more than I trust Nigerian FG ones. Even if they have an agenda, it will be less than that of the Nigerian FG.

Combine this with some of the other data sources we have, and it shouldn't be hard to see that something is wrong with the official #s.

Anyway, you can believe what you like. . . no big deal to me.

Obiagu1:
Lagos is a city state, if we have mayors in Nigeria, definitely Fashola will be mayor of Lagos and not governor of Lagos, whereas Kano has several cities and towns, not just the city of Kano.

Think about it this way. The 6 LGAs of Kano proper are estimated (by international bodies) to have a population of 3.4 million. Let's call this Kano Metro.

Lagos State is estimated (by international bodies) to have a population of 11 million+.

So somehow if one believes that the international figures are correct AND that Kano State is comparable in population to Lagos State, then somehow you must believe that the 38 LGAs in Kano State but not in Kano Metro have a population north of 7 million+  

So the question I have for you, do you truly believe that there are 7 million people who live in Kano State minus Kano Metro?  

In other words, if you deleted the Kano Metro area, Kano State would STILL be amongst the most populated states in all of Nigeria?

If there were a single city in the North comparable in population to Lagos. . . we would FEEL it economically. Lagos is sucking away population not only from the rest of Nigeria, but from all over West Africa.

Do we hear about the same happening in Kano?

Do we hear about the high prices of food, booming property prices in Kano?

So you are telling me that all of these multinational organizations are ignoring some huge city in Northern Nigeria, a potential business goldmine for them to sell products to?

They've decided to ignore the 2nd or 3rd largest city in all of Africa? 

Seems a bit implausible, no?

Obiagu1:
I quite disagree.
The order is:
NW>SW>SS>NC>NE>SE.

Kano is as populous as Lagos, remember Lagos is a city state whereas Kano has several cities/towns.
Every muslem, Nigerians and non-Nigerians troop to Kano like Southerners troop to Lagos.

I trust the demographers at the World Bank and all these international organizations more than I trust the Nigerian FGs #s. The former says that Lagos is already the second largest metropolitan area in all of Africa, and will soon surpass Cairo.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_metropolitan_areas_in_Africa_by_population

Kano is more comparable to Ibadan in population than it is to Lagos.