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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 2:57pm On May 17, 2016

TheNonce:

No argument, just facts!

Does the bolded even make sense to you? Or how do yo know? Abi you be "nastradamus" now? Or now "jogo bonito" don become hypothesis?

Guy since ronaldo left! And apart from van persies debut season! Most of our forwards have done pathetic numbers! Including "your lord rooney"! No angle you try to conjure can disprove this!

Our strikers/midfielders have been bang average for years now abeg! But van gaal has even made them worse!

Abeg I dey drive!

Rooney has scored 30+ twice since Ronaldo left. I don't get you.

It is common sense that we should have kept scoring average of two goals per match and conceding one goal in two matches if our first team players remained fit. We kind of have a first 11 that period, or let's say first 15 that helped us dominant. We played Leicester at away and we were the better team even as injuries had started hitting the team starting from the defence.

Our players look average because we have had coaches who played differently from Ferguson's style. SAF get his team sit back and hit on the counter. Rooney, Nani, Welbeck, Chicharito, Young, even Tevez and Ronaldo were not trained to pass. They were trained to run like bees at defence.

But Moyes came and said, everyone man to his position. So there was a gap between defence and attack which made us spread too thin on the pitch and created gaps for opposition to operate freely. Gaal came and said pass the ball. This style didn't favour Nani, Di Maria, Chicha, Welbeck, Valencia. Rooney is using his inbuilt top quality player experience to try to adapt.

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 12:11pm On May 17, 2016

TheNonce:

But we ended up with a "record-low goals-for
tally" for the campaign! This has highlighted the fans’ fears about the team’s direction under Louis van Gaal.

United are currently on "46 goals from 37 games"! Horrendous! WE HAVE BEEN VERY POOR AS REGARDS SCORING GOALS!

And yes ROONEY was pathetic for about 70% of the season!

You don't understand the argument.

If we had carried on the that way, we would surely have scored more goals.

We had an almost settled line up. Schweinsteiger paired Schneirderlin or Carrick in midfield. Mata on the right, Herrera or Rooney in the middle, Martial or Rooney in attack and Martial/Depay/Lingard on the left. We were getting the better results, from nowhere we suddenly went top of the league and needing to beat Leicester to be top permanently. Injuries rained us.

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 1:33am On May 17, 2016

GBR1:
Who is acting confused? You said we scored plenty of goals in the PL during that period and i just proved you wrong. How can you consider those goals ''plenty''? Then you claimed we could have won the title that way. That's so erroneous.
This is full bullsh1t. I have proved we weren't capable when everyone was fit and you're inferring nonsense from falsehood.
LVG is not Fergie. How do you even come up with these bizarre assumptions? Such ''IFs'' and IFs. We have never won 7 games in a row with LVG. Our best run is just 6 games, it's 100% we lose or draw after that. He's simply not capable on going on those kind of runs that can win us the league or help us in recovering positions. So stop making baseless assumptions.
Memphis started every PL game i think got dropped in the Everton (October) game but afterwards he still started games like Watford and had a lot of cameos in that period. He was quite regular, fact!
Darmian had Valencia out of the team for as long as could rememeber. Valencia only replaced him some halfs/sometimes when Darmian is playing poorly or getting skinned by ''tricksy'' wingers. He was a regular in that period we discussed, Fact!

1.
Beat Liverpool 3-1
Beat Sunderland 3-0
Beat Everton 3-0
Beat Southampton 3-2
Beat West Brom 2-0

And you think these scoreline were not far better than the 1-0, 2-1 we have been praying these days?

2.
When our players became fit, we went from outside top four to the top of the table and only needed to beat Leicester the next week to stay permanently on top. If our players were fit, particularly Valencia and Jones, we would have continued the run.

3. When Darmain performed poorly against Tadic, he was substituted at half time in the match against Southampton, then our game became steady. From there Valencia became our first choice right back. Although Darmain has had many appearances due to injuries to either/both Valencia and Rojo.

3. Depay did not start against Everton, West Brom, Man City, West Ham, Leicester and Crystal Palace matches in that short period. That is about 6 of 11 league matches where Depay did not start and you said he was regular

You no know ball. abeg I wan sleep. Park well.

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 12:44am On May 17, 2016*

GBR1:
Simple question; were we ever top of the the table after every team had played the same number of matches? NO we were simply never capable of that. We never actually lead the PL table for even a week, and that's a fact. Correct me if i'm wrong. So how could we have won the league when we never looked capable of doing it just for once even with the full squad as you claimed?
Confirm yourself.
http://www.premierleague.com/en-gb/matchday/league-table.html?season=2015-2016&timelineView=played&matchNo=14&tableView=CURRENT_STANDINGS

Memphis and Darmian were as regular as it got. Do you want me to state the number of matches they started?
I don't know the exact moments these injuries occurred but i remembered clearly they were never at the same time. I would get back to you on this when i can confirm this.

Why did you include other competitions? Cold feet already?
We're strictly discussing the PL here bro and now you're gonna get exposed.
Before our collapse to Bournemouth in December, we scored 20 goals in 15 matches. That's about 1.3 goals per game and that's average at best. You don't win PL titles with such a poor goal average. We failed to score any goal in 4 matches and scored a single goal in another 4 matches only during that period. We failed to score in the 1st half of so many games. In general we weren't as good in scoring as you are trying to falsely claim. See my screenshots attached as proof.

[img]http://cs630227.vk.me/v630227248/2ac01/_2euLdgrWVQ.jpg[/img]
[img]http://cs630227.vk.me/v630227248/2ac0b/j2HsclmDGoY.jpg[/img]

Why are you acting confused?

1. I told you we scored plenty goals when everyone was fit. That is why I gave you fixtures from mid September to November.

2. When considered that we fought our way from lower positions when we had injuries, to the top of the league when we had fit defenders, then we could have gone to win the league if everyone stayed fit.

3. We recovered the gap between us and Leicester, City, Arsenal and West Ham within a short time when we had fit players, we close the gap and overtook everyone. If we had Jones and Valencia we should have beaten Leicester to go top permanently the next week. Even during Ferguson, we always came from behind to go top around Christmas. Injuries and trimmed squad ruined it.

4. Darmian and Mephis were not regular that period. Mephis was sent to the bench by Marital as Rooney took top 9. Valencia went to right back, although Darmain had occasional appearances on the left. It was against Southampton Darmian lost his position to Valencia.

The only time Damian played on the right was when Valencia was not available for selection. Mephis started some games when Rooney played as number 10, but once Rooney played 9, Mephis was sent to the bench. However, no matter the arrangement of players, there is no disputing the fact that we got our best results that period.

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 11:59pm On May 16, 2016

^^^

I counted 24 goals in 12 matches and this guy said we were poor in scoring.

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 11:57pm On May 16, 2016*

GBR1:
We were once on top the PL table but i remember that some other teams had outstanding matches to play an that was the reason. I doubt we were ever 1st position after every team playing the same number of matches. You are really overrating our performances in the beginning of the season. We were stumbling to 1-0 wins, struggling to score goals in various matches, especially in the first half and we had silly results like drawing to Newcastle at home, getting done away by Swansea who later sacked their coach when it was obvious they were battling relegation. Shaw injury happened in mid September and didn't really affect our results because our collapse was fated in December. These events are not synonymous with a title challenger.
So far some of those kids have performed better than who they replaced. See Rashford and Rooney for example.
Darmian and Memphis were starters in United team during the time we had good results( August-December) so i don't know what you are on about here by saying they should have been on the bench. And remind me who was our CF during this period? It was the same old Rooney who was struggling to score goals and you believed he would have led us to the title with his goals as a CF when he has never performed such an act in a title winning United team with even better players. Or was it a rookie in the then 19 old Martial who just arrived in a new league that you expected to do that? We were struggling to beat relegation contender FFS, struggling with goals and stumbling to wins. That was when Old trafford started booing LVG. We got steamrolled 3-0 by Arsenal in that same period and you're deluding yourself thinking we were good then. It was only a matter of time the wins stopped coming and the goals dried up even more.
This is too easy for me. Our first XI( even with everyone fit) was not good enough to win the league. No amount of revisionism from you can change that.

[b]We were top of the league on November 21 after beating Watford. After all the outstanding matches were played, only Leicester were able to overtake us. So we were second. Considering the gap we covered at the time from lower position we instally occupied, we were destined for favorite to win the league. Our next opponent was Leicester away, Rojo, Valencia and Jones had suffered injuries in three successive matches just before that game. Valencia in 0-0 draw with City, Jones in 2-1 over Watford. Valencia was our best player against City, and Jones absence was immediately felt when he left the pitch against Watford.

Against Leceister, Vardy went to play on the side of Blind. Once Blind went to take corner kick, Vardy capitalised and scored from a counter. Something that wouldn't have been possible if we had Valencia in right back instead of McNair. If we had beaten Leicester, we would have been top. We played better but we were weakened by returning Blind who didn't have pace to match and inexperienced McNair.

After the Leicester game we went 5 matches without winning a match.
We drew West Ham
Lost to Bournemout
Lost to Norwich
Lost to Stoke
Drew struggling Chelsea

We took 2 points out of 15. This was when Valencia, Jones, Rojo, Rooney got injured. Then Schweinsteiger and Young soon joined.

Also, ehen we went to the top of the league, Mephis and Darmain were not regular. Valencia was our right back while Martial was sent to left wing on Rooney's return from two match absence due to injury. Rooney missed one UCL game and one league match, then Martial played 9 while Mephis played 11. But on his return, Mephis was dropped, also Blind was dropped for Phil Jones.

-How do you mean we were scoring just a goal per match. Look at out form on the attached screenshot. Also, Rooney had hit form in the second half of the season scoring or/and assisting in every match for about 8*matches before he went out completely. If not for the injury he surely would have continued in that form. And we were getting results that period too, even as we were still without our key defenders. [/b]

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:31pm On May 16, 2016

chrisley024:
Exactly what I wanted to say. It wouldn't have stopped LvG from his normal experiments. It was obvious also we have a weak attack.

On the height issue, what we need is mainly height in defence though it is more than that in defending set pieces. The tactics and set up are very important.

But we were once top of the league after playing our most difficult fixtures.

I remember Odunharry previewing our remaining fixtures up to new year and said we should be able to take at least 13 points out of 15. Some said it should be 15/15.

Our attack looked not sharp but we scored more goals that period. We even won some matches 3-0, like against Everton.

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:27pm On May 16, 2016

GBR1:
We wouldn't have won the league even if everyone remained fit. Please don't do this to yourself.

We fought ourselves to top of the league the only time we have about 90% players fit.

We started the season with some injuries, but when everyone came back (except Shaw) we went to the top. We had played the top teams at the time, we were looking to win all our matches in December (easy fixtures) when injuries hit the team. No thanks to Gaal who ensured we prosecuted the league with fewest first team players.

We fell back on such players who were not psychologically ready for first team war, Love, Jackson, Pereira, Wilson, McNair. We supplemented these kids with players who ordinary should be in our bench, Darmian, Lingard, Mephis.

We lost easy matches in December and January. That was it.

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:19pm On May 16, 2016

TheNonce:
Forget welbeck! He's out for a very long time! That's spilt condensed milk right now!

If hodgson has any sense/balls he would start "vardy and kane" at the euros and leave "rooney" and "sturridge" on the bench! That's if he decides they should go with a front 2 in a 442 system!

Those 2 are the form players in the team!

National team is not club.

Going into the 2014 world cup, Sturridge, Welbeck, Sterling, were the informed forwards, but Rooney had a better world cup than all of them. All the time England looked like scoring had Rooney making an attempt or providing the pass.

Before the world cup, some said Rooney should be dropped. After the world cup, England rally round Rooney.

Again, if Sturridge is in form, he will bench Kane and Vardy. Sturridge can reach a world class goal scoring form when in his element.
I know Welbeck is out, but the fact remains that he is the only England player who can push attack when the opposition has the far upper hand. His ability to carry the ball a long distance, his retracting ability, his duels prowess gives him some uniqueness over Kane, Rooney, Sterling, Vardy and Ali.

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:11pm On May 16, 2016

diggz:
I don't get the above. Luke shaw as how?

Luke Shaw gives us height and also a good header of the ball. With him we have at least two good headers in our defence. If we play Jones, we have three.

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 8:01pm On May 16, 2016

I ran into some Arsenal fans, I heard them saying United would have beaten West Ham comfortably if Fellaini was available. They said United lost the match to aerial battle and physical battle.

I think when we are buying players again, height and ability to jump, head, run, should be considered along other qualities. Gaal said we have the smallest players in the league.

We were very poor in defending and attacking set plays last season. This season is even worse. Few goals from set plays, and many goals conceded from set plays. I remember two matches in almost same period when we conceded very late goals immediately Fellaini was substituted, one of the matches was against Leicester. At the end those needless points dropped came back to hurt us.

I have a feeling if we had 80-90% of our senior players fit all the time, we could have won the league. We didn't concede from set play when Luke Shaw was fit and we had almost the whole team fit.

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 4:10pm On May 16, 2016

Rashford among England 26 man provisional squad. He was involved in our two goals against West Ham, I think that's why Roy Hodgson changed his mind after initially ruling him out. Roy was in the stadium that night.

I think England will miss Dany Welbeck. He is the only one who play differently in that attack (wing and central attack). Most of the rest can easily lose the ball and have no work rate.

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 2:30pm On May 15, 2016

Odunharry:

@ ManUtd
Marcos Rojo suffered an injury in training
yesterday, while Morgan Schneiderlin misses
out through illness.

#mufc XI: De Gea, Valencia, Smalling, Blind,
Borthwick-Jackson, Carrick, Rooney, Mata,
Lingard, Martial, Rashford.

Subs: Romero, Jones, Varela, Young,
Herrera, Pereira, Memphis

And we are playing Jackson. Where is Mensah?

We are up against another team that plays long balls and we are playing short men. Only Smalling can head the ball in our defence.

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 7:43pm On May 13, 2016

Manchester United are on course to become the first British club to earn more than half a billion pounds in a single year.

The team have endured a topsy-turvy season on the field and face an uphill battle to secure Champions League qualification for next season, but off the field the picture is bright.

United's third-quarterly financial results released on Friday showed the club expect to earn between £500 million and £510m of revenue in 2016.

The club announced record third-quarter revenues of £123.4m, up 29.9 per cent on last year, and commercial revenues rose 37.7 per cent to £65.8m.

Broadcasting revenue for the third quarter was £27.8m and matchday revenue came in at £29.8m, with total operating expenses of £102.2m - a 3.2 per cent increase compared to the same quarter last year.

[Source: Telegraph] #MUFC #Glazers

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 1:59pm On May 13, 2016

Morgan Schneiderlin has been omitted from France's Euro 2016 squad in the latest setback to the Manchester United midfielder.

Schneiderlin played in France' last five final matches last year but was excluded from coach Didier Deschamps' party for the March friendlies against the Netherlands and Russia.

Schneiderlin returned to the United starting line-up at West Ham on Tuesday night but endured a poor first-half and was substituted at the interval for Michael Carrick.

Schneiderlin admitted earlier this week he was not happy with his first season at United and was fearful of missing out on a Euros squad berth.

“It would a lie to say that I am 100 per cent optimistic. When I signed at Manchester, I wanted to play all the matches, be involved all the time, so I am not totally satisfied. I am not dissatisfied, I am not happy – I am in the middle.” he told L'Equipe.

[SOurce: M.E.N, l'equipe.fr] #MUFC #Schneiderlin

Politics › Re: The Notable Difference Between Jonathan And Buhari's Subsidy Removal by elampiro(m): 1:48pm On May 13, 2016

youngeagle:
The worst part is that GEJ raised minimum wage and NYSC allowance as a panacea to the suffering the subsidy might cause,but our dullardiho doesn't give a damn even with the worsening economic condition caused by the dollar hike and still most Nigerians that protested in 2012 finds it hard to even condemn this act...my Hero will live longer than his adversaries wished him.

Did Buhari not significantly raised the budget?

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 5:51pm On May 12, 2016

TheNonce:
Frank de boer is an exponent of attacking football, which is the foundation of man united's style of soccer!

Mourinho on the other hand is a defensive minded coach, although more experienced and a serial winner, but his abrasive character may not sit well with the clubs board, the players or even the fans!

What has Frank achieved outside Holland?

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 5:42pm On May 12, 2016

Some earlier report said Mourinho was asked to wait for one more season.

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 5:40pm On May 12, 2016

TheNonce:
Frank de boer is also available since he left ajax last week!

He is young, a multiple title winner and most importantly of all loves develop youth players!

Although everton are considering him as an alternative!

I prefer Mourinho. He is someone who has a passion to finish highest. He doesn't need the management or the press to put him under pressure to be a winner. He is self motivated.

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 5:36pm On May 12, 2016

And speaking in Mexico City, where he was coaching a FIFA Legends team against a Mexican All-stars line-up he said: "I don't know. I know nothing about it really. I don't have a club."
Mourinho expects that to change soon, though, and he repeated a belief he will be back in management this summer.

"In July, I will be back," he said. "So we are in May. May to July is nothing. I keep enjoying my life which I'm doing, keep enjoying my family. But in July I am back."

Louis van Gaal has one year to run on his contract and could yet deliver an FA Cup and Champions League qualification this season if results go his way on the final day of the Premier League this weekend.

The Dutchman has already been involved in planning for next season, a luxury Mourinho will be denied wherever he ends up.
He said: "It's difficult because when you get a new club in this period normally the clubs have already done their work.

"I give you an example. I'm not the Chelsea manager, but I organised the Chelsea pre-season in many aspects because I did that 10 months ago.

"Clubs have their commercial, marketing departments always involved in everything. When a new manager arrives in May, June it's very difficult to touch in some points, but we know that."

www.skysports.com/football/news/11667/10278658/jose-knows-nothing-about-utd

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 5:21pm On May 12, 2016

Jose Mourinho gave the studied impression of being unperturbed by Manchester United’s defeat at West Ham, a result which could herald his appointment as manager at Old Trafford

Mourinho, who arrived in Mexico City on Tuesday night to manage a FIFA legends team, said he was flying during the match and only found out the result when he had checked into his hotel.

He smiled enigmatically when asked if it would affect his future, saying: "There is plenty of time."

[Source: Daily Mail] #MUFC #Mourinho

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 5:03pm On May 12, 2016

ChristineC:
There is no way to know how the "baby" would have performed now so I'd rather not dwell on it.

What is your conclusion on Manchester United of 2015/2016 season and the coach?

For Manchester United, 2015/2016 ended in failure long ago.

We have to bring three or four experienced players in the summer. Paul Scholes said one Centre back, a midfielder and a striker.

I however think with Jones, Mensah and McNair we should be okay at centre back. Smalling is of age, Jones is close to the age defenders nature. Mensah is proving to be another Zouma. He needs a good manager like Mourinho to bring his game to maturity.

Talking about Mourinho, it looks to me he will come. He has confirmed he will resume a new job in July. There is another interview he granted that suggested he had an interest in the West Ham vs United match. But we wait and see.

I think we need a right winger, a striker and a midfielder. Rooney is making good passes in midfield, but I prefer midfielders who can run with the ball forward than those who stay in one place and spray passes. It's bad too we didn't test Schneirderlin enough this season to determine his real ability. He never had a solid run of games.

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 3:48pm On May 11, 2016

chrisley024:
You keep goofing. The more passes made, the more likely there are going to be both failed and successful/completed ones.

The percentage of pass accuracy is proportional to the number of completed passes not attempted passes.

Therefore, having more passes doesn't necessarily give a player higher pass accuracy.

Chikena!!!

My last post on the subject.

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 3:40pm On May 11, 2016

dopeJemi:
It seems you guys haven't noticed Diadem is kagawa

I noticed it too late. I shouldn’t have joined him in argument.

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 3:36pm On May 11, 2016

Diademk07:
Lol!
Nobody stated such.
I mentioned that the numbers of passes a player made helps in his passing accuracy.
I think I stated here that people should stop misquoting me.
If you can't understand a simple statement, swerve!

That is not correct.

Schweinsteiger makes the highest number of passes. But we have about 8 players with higher pass accuracy than Schweinsteiger.

Schneirderlin
Valencia
Mata
Carrick
Shaw
Januzaj
Pereira
Wilson.

Blind with second highest passes per match is 15th in pass accuracy. Stop telling us lies jor.

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 3:25pm On May 11, 2016

Diademk07:
You're a dummy.
You mentioned that Rooney had higher percentage than Carrick of which I stated that it's probably due to the plenty of passes he made in the full match unlike Carrick who came on in the second half.

Be sincere, did you pass your JSSCE?

Januzaj came on in the second half and still made 100%.

Paul Scholes used to have the highest total passes and highest pass accuracy. Would you say because he had more passes than anyone else that was why he was our best passer?

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 3:14pm On May 11, 2016

Diademk07:
That's because they are box-box CM who wanders around. Abeg, I don't have time for this unnecessary argument!

Is box to box suppose to stay fixed in one position?

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 3:01pm On May 11, 2016

According to Diademko7, number of inaccurate passes (failed) should be looked at to determine how a player can pass, not accuracy. If that is the case, Blind, Mata, Carrick and Valencia are our worst passers this season.

Screenshot 1 shows the number of failed short passes (innacurate short passes)

Screenshot 2 is for failed long passes.

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 2:51pm On May 11, 2016

Diademk07:
You can't even see beyond your nose.
Even what you posted shows that the more the passes you made, the higher is your pass percentage.
For example, a person who made 10 failed passes out of 50 still have the same accuracy with someone who made 4 failed passes out of 20.

This is the dumbest post I have seen on this thread this year. So someone who made 20 passes and still have four of them failed has some better than someone who contributed 40 accurate passes at same accuracy in same match? You be Olodo.

Using your logic, Scholes, Carrick, Valencia, Mata who usually have highest number of passes with highest accuracies are the worst passers in our team. We should rather praise Mephis, Lingard, Falcao, Butner, etc who hardly attempt passes, thereby coming up with least misplaced passes.

My friend, the one who gives highest number of passes with best accuracy is the one controlling the game. Forget the number of misplaced passes.

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 2:41pm On May 11, 2016

Diademk07:
Lol!
Carrick or Alonso has no job following a box-box 8 around. They would lose their positional discipline if they do any stup!d things like that. Their work is mark out a no 10 like Ozil or inverted forwards/false 9 strikers who drop deep. That was why people kept saying Casiemiro had Messi in his pockets some months ago or when pundits applauded Busquets of keeping Ozil quiet.
It's the work of the likes of Modric/Khedira/Di-Maria to mark out Xavi and iniesta movement because they themselves are always wandering around and not Alonso.

You don't follow people around. There is a midfield battle. Then there is a defending of the own third.

In the midfield battle, you are going to see a box to box midfielder like Ramsey, Yaya Toure come at Carrick. Ramires would even go at central defender. Same with Wilshere if he plays in CM.

In defending final third, the two central defenders usually keep the striker between them so that one could be free. But once the attack is going into the box, it's no longer the duty of the DM to continue tracking the opposing number 10 into the box, one of the defenders will take responsibility.

There are other time when opponent play two strikers. If the DM keep tracking one of the attacking players, he will never be able to start an attack for his own team by invoving in midfield build up.

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 2:06pm On May 11, 2016

ChristineC:
Horrible game from Daley Blind. Fosu Mensah would have assisted Mike Smalling better with the high balls flying around. Loius couldn't muster enough sense to make the change.
Horrid half for M. Schneiderlin, Michael Carrick wasn't much better.
Wayne Rooney neither here nor there, couldn't pop shots at goal when chances opened up.

Anthony Martial, Rashford, Juan Mata, Big Dave and Smalling had good games. Manchester United actually played short six men.

They should please SACK THAT COACH after the cup final. Jose Mourinho will not have unlimited funds and keep scraping for fourth position every year.

Mensah was very poor against Lukaku. He didn't even make the bench yesterday. That was not a match for babies. Some of these boys need to mature.

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 2:01pm On May 11, 2016

Diademk07:
Lol!
The aforementioned players weren't holding players though.
When Alonso was at Madrid, His task was to mark Messi runs while Khedira was tasked with marking Xavi and Iniesta. Ozil was tasked with Busquets.
Holding midfielders don't mark no 8.

You don't know position. You don't know the modern numbering. Your football knowledge is very crude, hence the difficulty in arguing with you.

So in a whole season, Alonso was task to mark Messi in 50 games? Where also did Modric and Di Maria play? You used holding midfield, defensive midfielder and box to box midfield haphazardly. One wouldn't know what you mean, and which position do you think is number 8?

Defensive midfielder (DM) is number 4 which Carrick played yesterday. Central midfielder is number 8 who moves box to box, like what Rooney played. Central attacking midfielder is number 10 who plays in the hole behind the striker.

A DM is most likely to check the opposing CM or/and AM. Principally he is to check the CM while one of the central defenders check AM while approaching the box. A DM cannot check a DM which is what you suggested in your first post on the issue. Carrick was most likely to face Yaya Toure, Lampard, etc.

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