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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 2:13pm On May 07, 2016
He he is yet to bring Young?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 1:27pm On May 07, 2016
chrisley024:
Senior players like Rooney and Carrick that should lead by example are not better
I am not watching the match. The selection and substitution alone tell me we should struggle. Schneirderlin should play instead of Carrick. Mensah should have partnered Smalling while Rojo play left back. Who will bring the inspiration when Martial is out?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 1:08pm On May 07, 2016
Why is Jackson going in instead of Mensah?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 12:56pm On May 07, 2016
chrisley024:
Anthony Martial injured in warm-up. Ander Herrera replaces him.



What sort of warm- up they do huh
Good bye to top four.
Politics › Re: I Budgeted N200 Billion For Roads Unlike Jonathan’s Paltry N18 Billion – Buhari by elampiro(m): 9:23pm On May 06, 2016
Bassee:
Jonathan met 5000km of motorable roads when he came in, when he left we had 25,000km of motorable roads. No be to talk nonsense be am, Buhari, shey you've budgeted 200 trillion for roads, by 2017 Nigerians go know how far.




P/S Those quoting me asking where the roads are, That you choose not to see them doesn't mean they aren't there. Afterall we were all in this country when your Minister of Transport said that in his 8 year rule as governor of rivers state he never knew a rail line passed through his backyard. You choose what you see, my friends!!!
Jonathan did not always budget 18 billion for roads. It was only last year he budgeted that little amount due to austerity measures.
Politics › Re: I Budgeted N200 Billion For Roads Unlike Jonathan’s Paltry N18 Billion – Buhari by elampiro(m): 9:20pm On May 06, 2016
Pidggin:
This man is tormented by GEJ grin
Buhari did not mention GEJ.

I think he was trying to give Nigerians hope by telling this year's budget for roads is far higher than that of last year. He didn't mention GEJ.
Politics › Re: I Budgeted N200 Billion For Roads Unlike Jonathan’s Paltry N18 Billion – Buhari by elampiro(m): 9:18pm On May 06, 2016
HIGHESTPOPORI:
If Jonathan could construct the Benin Ore road with Paltry 18Billionaira,let's see how many Federal roads Buhari would repair with 200Billionaira
Benin Ore road was not constructed last year. President Buhari is comparing this year's budget with that of last year.
Celebrities › Re: Empress Njamah's Throwback Photo With Rukky Sanda, Fans Blast Rukky by elampiro(m): 10:33am On May 06, 2016
Daminaj1:
Empress Njamah started an unexpected war when she posted this throwback photo of herself and colleague Rukky Sanda.

Rukayat (real names) who is now light skinned was unrecognizable in the photo as fans began to wonder if she is truly the one. The fact that it was Rukky in the photo was not questionable as her colleague tagged her in the photo.

It is not the first time that the actress will be accused of bleaching.

http://www.daminaj.com/2016/05/rukky-sanda-under-fire-after-empress.html
Which of them is rukky? Left or middle?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 7:25am On May 06, 2016
Kagawa10:
One is an attacker though while the other is a defender. Not to mention that Martial higher pass percentage should have offset his turn overs compared to Rojo's pass percentage.
Also, Martial was far better than Rojo in that match.
That's why I don't take their rating serious which is based on the stats. Viewing the game is what is most important.
I can't remember vividly what happened in the match but I just showed you why Rojo rated higher.

Rojo beat Martial in attacking stat. Can't you see that? Rojo also heavily beat Martial in defensive stat. One of the two should offset the pass accuracy.

You are trying to find a reason to discredit whoscored rating, I have told you it's the most objective rating because no rating is perfect. It's a good guide but not a perfect guide. You like to argue and argue and argue even when you are obviously wrong.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 5:56pm On May 05, 2016
Kagawa10:
You still haven't answered as to why Rojo was rated higher than Martial in the f.a cup replay match.

Apart from Martial's Assist, he had low stats:

Martial
0 Dribble
0 shot
1 key pass
Dispossessed 6 times
2 unsuccessful touch

Rojo
1 Dribble
0 shot
1 key pass
Dispossessed 0 time
1 unsuccessful touch


NB: I have not added defensive stats.




Kagawa10, you are a kindergarten analyst.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 2:24am On May 05, 2016
Kagawa10:
Scholes was creating chances with his over the top passes to the forwards from which Rooney only had to lay off. Same way he did to Valencia. Valecia best form even coincided with Scholes's best form or Giggs' when he played in the midfield.
And It wasn't a surprise that Rooney and Rvp suddenly became strangers and lacked any cohesion the moment Scholes was out of the team because without Scholes over the top passes, all Rooney could only do is make his stup!d long pass to the wing. Even Fergie had to drop him or put him on the wing to accommodate Welbeck and RVp partnership in the forward role.
Scholes started only 8 matches. We lost two of those matches.

We won 28 matches that season, and Scholes only started 6 of them. So your story up there is lies, rubbish and nonsense.

Secondly, it is obvious you don't know what it means to create a chance. I showed you a chart of chances created yet you still argue.

Thirdly, Rooney's best form was the second half of the season. I think between January and April where he scored almost all his goals and got his Assists.

Lastly, Rooney was only dropped in one match. That was tactical, and also because Rooney protected playing in the wing in the first leg. In another match after the league had been won, he took permision.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 1:46am On May 05, 2016
Kagawa10:
Lol at your use of Ronaldo and Messi topping the stat chart of their team when they are the focal players of their team.
Also, all you wrote are just conjectures with no basis, you aint their staff by the way and every stat in that site is put there because they are all useful in the rating of players.
Why don't you tell us why Rojo had higher rating than Martial in the F.a cup replay match?
Take a look at whoscored players ranking for the last four seasons and tell me if they are far from the truth. This is just first 10 players in the first page. Their are 300 pages capturing the final ranking of all players in a league based on accumulation of their weekly matches ratings.

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m):
Double post
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 12:34am On May 05, 2016
Kagawa10,

Don't make it look like Paul Scholes was creating chances from midfield. He dictated play from midfield. In chances created chart that season, both long and short, he is no where to be find. Rooney's chances created from short passes was the best when taken to minutes per chance created. Young created the best time per chance from long passes.

Paul Scholes was a great midfield, with ability to dictate a game from the middle of the park. But to assume he was creating chances from there is a fallacy.

Good night.

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 12:03am On May 05, 2016
Kagawa10:
Don't say that again.
I still remembered the moment Scholes tired out in the second half of our league season win in Fergie last reign, Rvp also stopped scoring due to the lack of over the top long passes Scholes do fashioned out to him in the 1st half of that season.
Lies!!!

Paul Scholes had only one Assist that season, 2012/2013. Rooney top our Assist.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 11:57pm On May 04, 2016
Kagawa10:
Lol!
Are you saying covering most ground doesn't have positive effect in the team? Or pass accuracy?
Better go siddon!
Why you dey talk like Olodo?

Did you not read that their are over 200 events used in rating? And that where these events take place on the pitch and the outcome determines the marks awarded?

Pass accuracy will carry different weights.
For instance:

Assist might earn a player 0.5
A key pass into the box 0.3
A key pass to a shot from outside the box 0.2

Similarly, a Successful Dribble in a players own half will earn less mark than a Successful Dribble in opposition final third. Successful Dribble inside opposition box will earn higher mark, etc. You might also have highest mark allocated to a Successful Dribble of the last defender.

You get negative marking in many things. And they carry different weights:

Failed/ UNssuccesful pass in your own box
Failed/Unssuccesful pass in opposition half
Area of the field a player is dispossessed
Error leading to a goal.
Goal keep error leading to a goal.
Empty net missed
Penalty missed
Clear cut chance missed
Half chance missed
Duels lost
Etc

NB: Distance covered is a subjective stat except you break it down to:

Distance covered sprinting
Distance covered running
Distance covered light running
Distance covered jogging
Distance covered walking

There was a time Carrick covered the most distance in many matches, but when taken down, most part was on light movement. A player like Vardy might not cover much ground, but his sprint time might be highest.

Whoscored rating is the most objective, if you look at teams rating, you would see Ronaldo, Messi, always toping their teams rating chart season after season. No rating system can be perfect but whoscored is a good guide.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 11:28pm On May 04, 2016
Kagawa10:
Out of about 10-15 long passes Rooney makes per game, only 1-2 slices the opposition open as opposed to the ginger master, Scholes long passes which are always delivered to the winger in acres of spaces.
The truth is Rooney long ball are mostly predictable and only his fanbois would say otherwise.
There is no difference between Rooney's long balls from what we used to get from Scholes. The difference between the two is short passes, mostly because Scholes uses both feet.

Scholes also had 80% of his long passes predictable. Once in a while you get the ones that cut defence open. Just like Rooney used to pick Van Persie. The qualify of the attacking players also help the midfielders to give sexy passes. That pass Rooney gave to Valencia, it would have been a wayward pass if it were Darmian.

Also, the pass Rooney gave to RVP to score goal of the season 2012/2013, in that title winning match against Villa, would have been wayward pass if it were Welbeck or Ashley Young that had to strike it. Even Chicha would have brought it down before attempting to score.

We used to have Ronaldo, Rooney, Tevez, Bervatov, Nani and Giggs in front of Scholes. Their movement and ball control was very useful to Scholes and Carrick. But now we have kids, and Lingard is among the kids.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 4:55pm On May 04, 2016
lekkie073:
noted...dats y u be my man grin u must be a good onyekuzi grin
Na wetin be Onyekuzi?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 4:36pm On May 04, 2016
lekkie073:
ok...am newgrin

I need proof.....and dont tell me to start digging a 2000+ page thread for answers or else ...cool
See the proof in my post above. I have produced that article before together with other materials. But most of you were not paying attention to my arguments because you naturally took side with Coogar. Lol.

Although Coogar did not even dispute this aspect.




Ukwu!!!
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 4:34pm On May 04, 2016
Double post.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m):

Whoscored ratings explained:

WhoScored.com Ratings are considered to be the most accurate, respected and well-known performance indicators in the world of football. Our ratings are currently used among media giants, bookmakers and football clubs.

WhoScored.com Ratings are based on a unique, comprehensive statistical algorithm, calculated live during the game. There are over 200 raw statistics included in the calculation of a player'’s/team’'s rating, weighted according to their influence within the game. Every event of importance is taken into account, with a positive or negative effect on ratings weighted in relation to its area on the pitch and its outcome.
An example: An attempted dribble (event) in the opposition’s final third (area of pitch) that is successful (outcome) will have a positive effect on a player's rating. Ratings that are flashing show that an event influencing said rating has just occurred. Green indicates an increase, while red indicates a decrease in rating.

*Ratings that are flashing green indicate an increase, while red indicates a decrease in rating.
The scoring system for the ratings is out of 10, starting from 6.0, with 10 being the highest score. The ratings are updated live every 30 seconds during the game. Our data providers Opta will update and adjust statistics where necessary 5 minutes after the final whistle. The statistics, and therefore ratings, are also subject to change at anytime after the game, due to any further corrections that need to be made to the statistics.
A green star will be awarded to the man of the match 10 minutes after full time. A few minutes after full time our data provider will undergo a review process to improve the accuracy of the statistics, which may result in some stats being corrected/updated. Ratings are also subject to an increase or decrease based on the number of goals a team has scored or conceded, and whether the team has kept a clean sheet at 90 minutes. Such boosts in rating are affected by an individual's playing position and their time on the pitch and will be calculated at full time.

.................

Lekkie073, in 2013/2014 season, during the peak of my arguments with Coogar, I placed a laptop in front of me in many matches over several weeks, possibly months. I followed how whoscored rating changed every minute or some seconds, I would see how a new rating flash in relation to an incidence that just took place. That was how I also knew opta many times get their formation wrong. Whoscored correct the formation after 5 minutes into a game, but some other times it just leave it.

Cc Kagawa10, Pls read above how whoscored work.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 4:16pm On May 04, 2016
lekkie073:
it would be quite difficult to agree to this unless u have proof dat u r one of their statisticians grin
May be you are new here. I have presented evidence to this effect in past in one of my arguments with Coogar.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 4:04pm On May 04, 2016
Kagawa10:
Lol!
Ofcourse you would defend whoscored because otherwise, your love, Rooney would look bad for the rating constantly given to him for his needless predictable long ball!
Continue! More power to your elbow.
Rooney's long passes are predictable? Yet he gave a long pass for Martial to score a beautiful goal against Newcastle which analysts said is our best crafted goal of the season.

His long pass helped Valencia to set up Rashford to score against Villa. The screen shot, Rooney made the pass from the other end of the field to Valencia.

Those long passes help to set Valencia or Martial free to go behind the defence. They help to start our attack from the wing when the front box is clogged...

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:54am On May 04, 2016
Kagawa10:
Wetin this one dey talk.
Whoscored rating is based on some unnecessary stats. Points are given for stats like Pass accuracy even if it was sideways like that of Herrera, long passing even it were unnecessary and predictable like that of Rooney, distance covered etc and all dem unnecessary stats and so-on.
I only visit there to check the stats of players and not their rating.
I'm sure Rojo was rated higher than Martial in the westham F.a cup match for his distance covered, endless crosses, pass accuracy etc. As a matter of fact, whoscored tends to rate player who tends to run more on the pitch for their distance covered. Doesn't matter whether they were useless or not while doing so.
Stop saying what you don't know.

Whoscored separate passes. A through final pass and a side way pass don't earn same mark. A needless long pass and a long pass that beat defenders don't earn same mark. A pass that lead to a shot earns its own mark (key pass) . The area of pass in the field is also important.

Clearance, last man Clearance, goal line Clearance have different marks. Dribbling in midfield and dribbling in opposition box have separate marks. Dribbling a last man to score a goal has more marks than scoring a tap-in.

Whoscored has weights for events based on their importance to result of a game, they came up with their criteria based on computer collation of events in football matches over years.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:39am On May 04, 2016
SailorXY:
I'm not saying anyone should win on a platter of gold. My point is that nobody actually won the game it ended in a draw with Chelshit not exactly needing the point. Everyone could have moved on after the final whistle as usual but there were great hallelujah shouts from every corner.
Anyway e get as e be to me tho
Harry Kane said Chelsea celebrated as if they won the EPL.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:35am On May 04, 2016
SailorXY:
But on another note, why did Chelshit carry the last night game on their heads like ewa agoyin & being all cheesy wheezy @ full time? It wasn't as if they were playing for anything really...
I wonder.

Chelsea wants to own London alone.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:31am On May 04, 2016
I was so pained that Leicester won the league. Is the EPL trophy now so cheap?

However when you consider that Arsenal have been battling to win it since Henry left, you can still see that it is not cheap.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:25am On May 04, 2016
chrisley024:
Mehn! Spurs is full of kids that can't withstand pressure. A title contender getting 2 straight draws. Hahaha

Pochettino my äss
Dem really yab. Even when they met Leicester in January, they lost. I think it was even White Hart lane.

I was one of those who never thought Leicester could push this to the end. I was wrong.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 12:39pm On May 02, 2016

Fellaini and Lingard were always not anticipating penetrating ground passes from the other players. Martial and Rashford made some good passes in the final third, but lack of anticipation meant Fellaini would be moving a step to the wrong direction. Lingard was also guilty of lack of concentration and proper anticipation in both passing and receiving a pass in the final third.

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 12:33pm On May 02, 2016
Kagawa10:
And where was Martial? On the wing of course!
That said! I don't know which game you were watching that had Rooney recovering ball 10 times. You probably mistook him for Kante who made 5 tackles and 6 interception in the game.
Also, Rooney heatmap wass mostly concentrated just outside the 18 yard box while the change of tactic in the second half was the reason Fellaini was often found in the box.
The reality is Rooney was predictable with his constant stup!d long passes to the wing and contributed little despite seeing more of the ball. He was just useless yesterday! There's no 2 way about it.
See the ball recovery stat here.

Rooney also passed to Rashford and Fellaini who played directly in front of him. But you should know it is hard to penetrate Leicester directly. Rooney passed more through the middle in previous matches, but here Rashford was up against Morgan and those guys who are expert at protecting front of their box.

Our goal came from the wing, we could have scored one more from the wing in the first half.

As for Rooney's heatmap, put that pitch in there parts and you would know that Rooney played more in the middle of the park. Carrick position also looked advanced because we pressed high on the pitch. Carrick and Rooney operated almost in same zone. If you knew the role Rooney played, you wouldn't complain a bit.

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 11:30am On May 02, 2016
Kagawa10:
I disagree!
Rooney saw more of the ball because the forwards, the midfielders and even right back constantly passed to him.
Rooney game was to receive the ball from Carrick to ping at Valencia who would then cut back for Lingard who would pass back to Rooney and the cycles continues, probably to Rojo the next time!
Fellaini on the other hand had fewer touches yet still made more impact with his movement and quick passing which were causing havoc for Leicester. It was only in the second half that the Lvg tried to make use of his aerial prowess by pushing him further forward and subsequently, we lost our foothold in the midfield as a result of that.
Fellaini was our best midfielder, then Carrick. Rooney was slow, lethargic and just too predictable with his constant long pass to the wing.
Also, Fellaini didn't play the whole minutes!
First of all you lied where you said Rooney saw the ball mostly because everyone passed to him. Rooney had the highest number of ball recovery (10 times) in the entire match, that's for both sides.

Rooney also passed mostly to Martial, not just Valencia. He changed our direction of play at will.

Secondly, Rooney's heat map showed he didn't play the same role as Fellaini. Fellaini sometimes played higher than Rashford.

The problem is that you didn't know tactics. Rodney's role was to protect Carrick while Fellaini was to support Rashford or try to bring the ball down in dangerous area for Rashford, Lingard and Martial.

There was also the need to make the pace of the game slow to frustrate the speed of Leicester, that was another thing Blind, Carrick and Rooney did. Even against Everton, Rooney explained that at 1-1 Everton were pressing us fast and hard, but he and Carrick decided to bring their experience to slow, control and balance the game in our favour. Rooney was not even really slow yesterday, he drove forward when needed and gave intelligent passes.

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