European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 11:40am On Feb 12, 2016 |
SIRcumalot: I just copy what I saw from the other page and I don't understand why I should pick something that strength your opinion and weakens mine if anything this prove my original point that you can use stats in a manner that suit you. vardy probably has better numbers than aguero nobody go say vardy na the better player. you want to go on believing Benzema and IBRA dey better than suarez is alright by me. Then you shouldn't even be a football analyst to begin with. In players comparison, stats per minutes played is used. Not total. The length of minutes played must be matched with goals scored. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 11:38am On Feb 12, 2016*. Modified: 12:06pm On Feb 12, 2016 |
airmark: What makes a striker gets substituted than the other ? You don't substitute a performing player every now and then. This is even enough to let you know you are getting it all wrong. Should we blame Suarez for benzema not having enough game time ? You can play two games and have two goals that does nt mean you are better than a player with 6 in 8. Depay was the highest goal scorer in Dutch league but wjnaldum was chosen deservedly as the best player in Dutch league. Your whoscored rates Suarez as a better striker to benzema why can't you just keep it mute. You are really not intelligent. Martial has more substitutes than Rooney. In 2006-2008 Ronaldo had many substitutions for Manchester United because SAF preserved him once we were safe with two or there goals lead. David Moyes substituted Rooney once we were two goals ahead, to preserve him when he was the only fit striker. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 8:41am On Feb 12, 2016 |
SIRcumalot: am tired of this yan the people who gave that attacking score did they ignore this goal/min stuff you keep posting before posting that attacking score ? or I suppose dem dream up that number airmark who must have been wounded by a barca fans sometime in his life can't even make this argument,Madrid fans can't make this argument I still don't know why you're doing this. if this is an attempt to not follow the crowd, you should know the same crowd that hails an intelligent non conformer also give people with crazy opinion a wide berth. It is you who don't know how to sort the result. The aplication had a box you can check (tick) and it gives you result per 90 metrics, another gives you total results, another average per game. There are three box for three different results. If you want total goals, you get the comparison. If it's per minutes, you can also get the comparison. You should be working with per 90 metrics. Look at the box, that's where you filter your results.
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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 8:33am On Feb 12, 2016 |
airmark: Your whoscored only dropped Suarez for ibrahimovic. They did nt drop him for benzema. In fact they rated him above every other attackers in La liga. As an attacker squawka n whoscored state Suarez >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>benzema Benzema >>>>>>> Suarez in goals. I have never deviated from this. Suarez is only ahead of Benzema because he doesn't get substituted. A player with 90 mins will rate higher than someone who comes in to play the last 12 mins or forced out early with an injury. Take your eyes to the bottom part of the chart, Benzema rated higher without substitutions. Suarez should be ashamed because he doesn't get substituted as much as Benzema. The more 90 mins you play, the more your whoscored ratings go up. FW: Benzema 7.94 FW: Suarez 7.91
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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 8:10am On Feb 12, 2016 |
airmark: What's benzema's goal per Minute aggregate against Barcelona , Villarreal, ath Madrid, Seville, Bilbao , Valencia and compare it to Suarez against real Madrid and the other teams listed . Come back and tell us, I'm waiting. You are comparing a striker whose most goals are taps in to Suarez. No wonder you always hail Rooney even when he was playing rubbish. Go away with this your jarakpanu analysis. Suarez plays closer to the goal and shoots from close range than he has ever done. Benzema goals are well spread. He has scored against Bilbao, A. Madrid, Valencia |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 8:04am On Feb 12, 2016*. Modified: 9:15am On Feb 12, 2016 |
ollah1: Madrid fans even disagree with you. Btw, we have heard everything u said. We have different types of fans. We have uninformed fans, we have illiterate fans, etc. Have you visited a view centre before? Some fans don't know what makes an offside, some don't know how much of the ball has to cross the line for a goal to be awarded. Some call the player in the CAM number 8 while they call CM number 10. Some Chelsea fans pronounce Hazard as Izal. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 7:54am On Feb 12, 2016 |
airmark: Don't mind elampiro , only whoscored is credible to him, the one that made his Rooney man of the match. Benzema has 19 goals with 1 assist, Suarez has 20 goals with 6 assists. That means nothing to him. Now you go round circles. My argument has been very clear.
Bale and Ibrahimovic >>>> Suarez (in goals, Assists, dribbling, chances created)
Benzema >>>>Suarez (in goals) .
So whoscored was right to drop Suarez from that chart which gave birth to this argument.
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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 7:50am On Feb 12, 2016 |
Raumdeuter you are right. Look at what supposed football analysts are doing, total attacking ratings instead of per minutes played. I have challenged them to give us goals per minutes played using their own website.
You are trying arguing with these kind of people. Football followers who can't differentiate between goals per minutes and total goals.
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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 7:43am On Feb 12, 2016 |
ollah1: Make u free that guy. He doesn't know what get is doing? He is slowing us total. He should show us goals as per minutes played. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 7:38am On Feb 12, 2016 |
SIRcumalot: so this no be science abi ? This is rating. Again, you are using total score. * Show us who leads in goalscoring per minutes played. * Show us who leads in attacking score in per minutes played. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 7:04am On Feb 12, 2016 |
airmark: It seems you and raumdeuter have something in common. No wahala, what i know is no real madrid fan will prefer benzema to suarez at present, except a senseless and blind fan. Even you will prefer suarez in your man utd team. Stop changing and dancing, stay on the line of argument. We are not discussing the value of the players, but their stats so far this season. Suarez could be more valuable but at the moment he is trailing the other guys in stats. When Berbertov won the golden boot, he wasn't the most valuable striker in Europe, not even in the EPL. Fernado Tores was far more valuable striker. But Berbertov was a better scorer than Tores that season. As of today, Benzema is a better scorer than Suarez. It might change tomorrow. Please enlighten yourself. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 6:44am On Feb 12, 2016 |
SIRcumalot: stat no get opinion,na this same stat after further processing on the page before this one put Suarez on top but you dismiss am as crap. the debate for the best striker at the moment na non discussion all this back and forth na waste of time. There is no stat that puts Suarez over those guys. That is rating, which anyone can do. There is a difference between stats and rating. Stats are straight forward. As of now, it takes Benzema fewer minutes on the pitch to score than Suarez. Ibrahimovic and Bale are also ahead of Suarez. This is a verifiable fact and scientifically proven. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 2:10pm On Feb 11, 2016 |
SIRcumalot: I don reach the conclusion say elampiro just dey do this for fun. I said nothing, only stats were talking. Benzema is ahead of Suarez in finishing. Benzema goals are evenly spread across matches and has scored too against strong teams, so that I dont get the excuse for Suarez. Benzema has by far better goals per minutes played having scored 19 in 17 starts. He is also ahead in UCL on per minutes played. He has scored in every of his last 6 Laliga games, 8 goals in 6 matches. The whoscored chat for European that omitted Suarez is 100% correct. That's as at today, I dont know about tomorrow. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 2:12am On Feb 11, 2016 |
airmark: You misinformed us that benzema had higher number of goals than suarez, my subsequent post made you recheck and you stylishly corrected it. Next time a little appology will do for the misinformation. Meanwhile, only a senseless madridsta will not prefer suarez in real than benzema based on current form. Was it not you i asked yesterday and confirmed de gea and courtois performed better than rooney only to change tune when you learnt whoscored picked rooney?. Credible ko, Terrible ni. Every intelligent reader knew I was referring to goals per minutes because I had clarified that when I brought Benzema into the comparison. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 1:54am On Feb 11, 2016 |
El Confidencial today report that things with Jose Mourinho have taken a step forward. It's claimed that Jorge Mendes is arranging the final details via his London offices, with lawyers working on a 'maze of clauses' that will be included in a deal tying Mourinho to Manchester United until 2019.
Things are being finalised and resolved, and it sounds like, once the lawyers have done their bit, there's nothing in the way of announcing the deal, should Manchester United wish to.
Mourinho will be paid €20m per year for taking over at Old Trafford which would put him on less than Guardiola at Manchester City. Again, there's no definitive date of takeover set out, but that is likely to depend upon the club and circumstances.
El Confidencial have a history of getting there first, and a history of scoops, especially with their Real Madrid exclusives and insightful reporting of situations.
[Source: elconfidencial.com via @sportwitness] #MUFC #Mourinho |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 1:53am On Feb 11, 2016 |
airmark: At least you have corrected your blunder.
Below is something close to rating a CF. Every other thing you have been typing is laughable. This this nonsense. Whoscored is a more reliable rating than this advance gugurakpa website. Again, My first post was that Benzema had better goals per minutes played. So the flow followed from there. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 1:26am On Feb 11, 2016 |
bykebyke: Benzema ahead of Suarez in goals? 
Benzema is more prolific than Suarez at the moment. Benzema UCL 66.8 mins per goal League 70.8 mins per goal
Suarez UCL = 90 League = 94.5
Suarez has only one goal above Benzema even though he has played 545 minutes more which is about six matches. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 1:23am On Feb 11, 2016 |
airmark: May be another benzema not Karim Benzema UCL 66.8 mins per goal League 70.8 mins per goal Suarez UCL = 90 League = 94.5 Suarez has only one goal above Benzema even though he has played 545 minutes more which is about six matches. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:12pm On Feb 10, 2016 |
raumdeuter: Which sensible club would renew a player thats 35yrs old sitting on a fat salary 35? No no. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 9:59pm On Feb 10, 2016 |
SIRcumalot: why is PSG not renewing with him then ? everybody has made the same argument for Suarez but you no address that wan na still this stat sha Contract renewal has nothing to do with his current form. Clubs do things for crazy reasons. They might not want to continue paying £300 for a 30+ player. If he could accept less, they will renew his contract. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 9:54pm On Feb 10, 2016 |
airmark: I just weak. I showed him how bale fared against stronger sides in la liga compared to suarez yet he is sticking to some ridiculous stats. Benzema has scored against strong teams like Bilbao, A. Madrid, etc. And he is well ahead of Suarez in goals. If Bale didnt score in those matches, he Assisted and created chances. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 9:48pm On Feb 10, 2016 |
Ibrahimovic has 21 goals and 8 Assists. 19(1)starts in only 1643 minutes.
Last season he had 19 goals 6 Assists in 2003 minutes.
2013/14 season, 26 goals, 11 Assists in 2689 minutes.
2012/13, 30 goals 8 Assists in 2994
2011/12 28 goals 6 Assists in 2839 minutes.
If Ibrahimovic is not doing well now, it means he has never done well. If he has been great, he is still great if not greater. He has not changed club, he has not changed league. No need to argue with you guys because una no know ball. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 9:31pm On Feb 10, 2016*. Modified: 10:15pm On Feb 10, 2016 |
SIRcumalot: why do you keep mentioning IBRA ? if I put up 50 goals playing for that your beloved okomu oil will you give me the ballon d'or ? stats are meant to guide not to follow them blindly and ignore circumstance. he wasn't even nominated for top 10 because of that brief bout of vampirism. If IBRA is so good why is PSG stalling on his contract renewal ? IBRA at this point is solidly behind lewa,aguero and Suarez. As per league goals and Assist, this season is Ibrahimovic's best ever. I can give you his career stat both for PSG and before.
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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 9:19pm On Feb 10, 2016 |
Benzema is even 19 goals in 17 league starts.
Suarez has played 545 minutes more than Benzema. That's good six matches.
Even in Europe, Benzema has more goals than Suarez in minutes played.
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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 9:13pm On Feb 10, 2016 |
airmark: You should blame him for that, right? He is that good. Again look at the quality of sides he scored against. No sensible coach will bench such striker for one minute at his peak.
https://static-ssl.businessinsider.com/image/552ed3976bb3f7be1ccbe064/luis%20suarez%20goal%201%20vs%20psg.gif Whoscored has taken all these into consideration. When Berbertov scored 5 Goals in a match, scored 3 in others, won golden boot, Rooney still rated higher than him. That's because Rooney was more consistent in doing key attacking stuf in matches. Same way Bale is more consistent in providing attacking stats like chances created, Assists, Goals etc |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 8:58pm On Feb 10, 2016 |
airmark: suarez : 20 in 21, bale 13 in 15. While bale was scoring 4 goals against the likes of vallecano and 3 against deportivo but could nt score against ucl sides like athletico madrid, sevilla and barcelona, suarez was scoring against athletico madrid, sevilla ,hat trick against bilbao, super hat trick against valencia which bale managed a lone goal against. To cap it all suarez scored a brace against real madrid while bale was one of the flops of the match, he fired blanks. I support real madrid but these are facts 20 in 21 because he was playing full 90 mins. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 8:56pm On Feb 10, 2016 |
SIRcumalot: elamps stop all this stat stuff if Suarez wasn't a controversial bastard ,he was the third best player that season ,and you're mention IBRA that is past it and Bale(I love this dude but abeg that is going too far) you're big on stat so I don't need to remind you that he missed ten games that season and didn't take penalties for pool still he put up a monster season what as dribbling gat to do with anything can IBRA still dribble sef ? is Bale a better dribbler than the nutmeg man ?
and now he is even better 3 legendary players in their own rights are bound to still shine from each other,learn from each other and make life easier for themselves and the team in whole. Suarez is the undisputed best striker at the moment. Mr man, stats are facts. Ibrahimovic has more league goals and Assist than Suarez at the moment. Bale is ahead too on minutes played. At Liverpool, he was very good because he was the hunter and finisher, but I still doubt if he would have gotten into the Ballon d'or ahead of M. Neuer who had a marvelous world cup. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 8:52pm On Feb 10, 2016 |
bykebyke: What season are these from please?... This current one? YES. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 8:51pm On Feb 10, 2016 |
GBR1: Bale has played less minutes in general, and his sample space size is very small which gives him an unfair advantage. The more reason he should be praised. He is second in Assist chart, just one Assist behind Neymar. Again his sample is is more than enough, he has started 14 matches. The sample is usually players who played at least 10 matches out of 38. Bale has played 14 (1)while Suarez has played 21. Neymar has played 19 and he is just an Assist above Bale. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 8:25pm On Feb 10, 2016 |
airmark: What's the quality of psg oppositions in ligue one. Dont be surprised a player in burundi league may cop better stats than ibrahimovic but put him against a poor team like troyes, he will be wandering more than bolton players. No one must say cos he has better stats than ibra he is a better player, far from it. Suarez in psg may even have better stats than what ibra has got. Fact is all those things you used to relegate suarez are faulty. A bale will have more assists ratio than suarez cos of his role. A striker having messi and neymar doing the dribbles and even scoring should nt be blamed if he has lesser assists and even goals but yet suarez has done well. We all know how ibra fared in barca. Scoring 20 in 21 in la liga is more impressive than scoring 21 in 20 in french league. Dmcdad, bykebyke ibra sh1ts on your suarez.  Story story, story! Does Bale also play in Ligue2? How was Bale able to beat him in Goals, Assists and every parameter? End of argument. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 8:17pm On Feb 10, 2016 |
SIRcumalot: @elampiro did you check Suarez's last season with pool? His Successful Dribble was 31.9 that season, and that wasn't close to his best for Liverpool. His dribbling has reduced drastically at Barca. Chances created every 33 minutes 38 passes per game. * He was more a hunter and s finisher in Liverpool. Now he is being fed. The reason he is able to score and Assist more than when at Liverpool. He has all the support. Despite this, he is still behind Bale and Ibrahimovic. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 8:06pm On Feb 10, 2016 |
GBR1: Can you do a comparison with Lewandowski included? Goals = 65.1 Assist = 1,583 chances created =131.9 Successful Dribble = 56.5 Accurate Passes = 18/21 |