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Mourinholic:
Rafael and Nani's incidents were in the 1/4finals....Thats too far from the trophy to count

Nothing is too far nothing is too near.

You either have the trophy or you don't have it. Stop saying SAF won by luck.

ollah1:
losses against barca

could have easily been seven if he fielded the right players and he would have won the highest number of UCLs

No, those we really lost. But the ones we were ousted in questionable circumstances

Mourinholic:
One with a John Terry slip....The other with a late drama miracle.....

He could av easily ended with 0......seriously

Paul Scholes disallowed goal in Porto.
Rafael's red card.
Nani's red card.

SAF could easily have won 5.

codedguy1:
Val and Jones can do no wrong in Elampiros eyes, even when they are injured.

I totally agree with all the pot shots at LVG. Is it that LVG has come only to stabilize the team? He is not interested in winning anything? He needs to free these players and ask that they take a little more risk so that there can be positive forward play instead of recycling possession play that just leaves us going round in circles.

When Darmian first came I supported him over Valencia. I thought may be we had an Azpilicueta.

raumdeuter:
UEFA requires 3 foreigner. if you see someone from Holland who is good why not buy him and leave the mediocre Scottish player who you cant even play in UEFA nights?

You didn't know what laws were there in bringing non-British. We are arguing this 20 years after and haven't all the facts.

After the restriction was lifted, SAF brought in 5 new players the next season, only Teddy Sherigham was British. He allowed about 8 players to leave, all British. The next season he brought in only non English players.

So I wonder if there were also laws which made this impossible before 1995.

"He [Darmian] gives too much space on Tadic in my opinion and Tadic was the most dangerous man,”van Gaal said.“That is why I have changed him andValencia did very well – I didn’t see Tadic anymore in the second half.”

Gaal, after Southampton's game.

PietroRico:
you don dey blow certain things out of proportion..
He's only limited in the final third
I never notice all these ones

Isn't 'give me, I give u' what the entire team is playing atm?

U just mentioned Rojo.. Lol.. At least darmian dey give back
Rojo simply hacks the ball out of play, in the slightest of tricky situations.. Nobody is complaining

You may not have noticed but it's a true assessment I have given you.

There is a difference/variation in 'give me I give you' from player to player. Valencia, Jones and Young are better on the ball in their feet in our own third/half than Darmian. Darmian is not comfortable on the ball when passed to him, he wants it out of his feet quickly. He is a little better when he gets it in the opposition half and there's is space.

There are some passes released too soon and too safe, to the back. There are many things. When Val or Jones wins a tackle you are never again going to win the ball back from them until they utilize it, but Darmian loses. When you talk about going forward, he is also very very weak at it.

Darmian also struggled against Wolfsburg when his wing was our weakness on the night. In the second half, Wolfsburg almost killed us through that left wing.

He also was poor against Midlesbro in Capital1 cup.

He struggled against Palace and was taken off for Ashley Young.


These are the ones I can still remember. After his first month, he has been struggling.

PietroRico:
yes he does
He's only had one bad game and that was against arsenal and it was in the 1st twenty minutes when the whole team was crap

Aside from that he has been solid apart from maybe when he was asked to play LB..

If our attackers were functional we won't be demanding so much from a full back..

He has been poor beginning from the game away to PSV. The next game against Southampton he was the reason the game was deadlock until Valencia came on at half time.

After then he has had mixture of good and bad. His best in recent time has even come from the left side, but he's never going to displace Rojo from there.

In all, he is poor in ball retention. He is not a good passer too, he does give me and give you back (with panic). When he wins a tackle he is not comfortable on the ball and allows the opponents to recover to close him down on the ball.

PietroRico:
Darmian is limited going forward, so he's shite?

It's funny how a defender is now taking the wrap for not being creative enough
The foolish coach knows and chooses to play him as a wing back.

As far as he can do his primary job decently, it's totally unfair to allow him share in the blame that should be going to our handicapped attack

Does he even do his primary job well even as a right back?

Even football has gone past the time full backs just win the ball and throw a long ball forward. Darmian is limited in passing and ball retention.

Arsene is sounding childish and ridiculous.

We are not thin in attack (striking). Memphis has a new position. Memphis is now a striker.

SIRcumalot:
This is the price we pay for having too many ex players as football pundits.
Where are the former CFC players and why are they not taking shots at CFC ?

Never abandon darmain yet the guy showed something in his first few games here.

I know Darmian could come good if he developrd his attacking play. It's only painful that we have come to a period where those who aren't playing well should be substituted but we haven't the alternative due to injuries. Not only Darmian, everyone who is not playing well should be substituted or benched going forward. The grace period has past.

weedtaker:
Hagreaves scholes keane ferdinand g.neville et all played with brilliant attackers like ronaldo, andy cole, yorke, cantona, tevez, rooney, nistelroojy, sheringham, ole gunnar, saha, giggs, kalsheskis, beckham, mark hughes. Van persie, Compare them with ashley young, memphis depay and a declined wayne rooney make we see de results naa... even ferguson would struggle with our current attacking players, the problem is van gaal, because he didn't buy the players who would fit into his much talked philosophy, but saying van gaal's philosophy is the problem is utter bullsh¡t.

The whole thing is complicated given the fact he was given money to spend, and he actually has spent £200m.

But all these criticism will go away should he win all his fixtures to New Year. But the problem is the injuries because players like Darmian won't take us any where.

Manchester United's stars are reportedly becoming bored of Louis Van Gaal 's training methods.

Former Old Trafford stars-turned-pundits Roy Keane , Paul Scholes, Gary Neville Rio Ferdinand, Owen Hargreaves and Michael Owen have all taken pot shots at the Dutchman for his possession-based approach.

And it appears his training sessions at their Carrington headquarters have also come in for criticism from members of his squad.

A club insider told The Sun : "They are unhappy, it is just like Groundhog Day at the club. No matter whether they win, lose or draw nothing changes.

"Every Monday they know what they are doing, every Tuesday they know what they are doing, every day they know what they are doing.

"There is nothing different or exciting to look forward to and it is getting some players down."

[Source: The Sun] ‪

ollah1:
He was a local champion. 4 finals, 7 semis and won the ucl just twice. He was a great local champion.

He won domestic titles no doubt but what stopped hik from repeating same feat in europe. Some people have also agreed tothe b fact that it was really poor for a manager that was in control of a team for 26 years to win just two ucl but here you are arguing pointlessly.

Fergie was a local champion.

25 years.

Remove 5 years ban. Remaining 20 years.

Remove those years English teams had to reshuffle their team when they went to Europe. We are looking at minimum of 7 years here because even after the restriction was lifted in 1995, the clubs couldn't have changed their teams in just a year.

Remaining 13 years for SAF to really compete in Europe.

raumdeuter:
Can you quote where I said this?



UEFA laws are still what everyone follows in football, If locally you choose any yeye laws then its not an excuse when you fail

Those Eufa laws would be hard to implement in UK because of the nature of the territory which had been before football came into the world.

One fact is that only English teams had to shuffle their first team when they went to play in Europe. And it was a big problem bringing none UK citizens to further compound the problem.

David de Gea has revealed that capturing the Premier League title in the 12/13 season is still the greatest moment of his Manchester United career.

In what turned out to be Sir Alex' last season as Manchester United boss, United won the league in dominant fashion and De Gea received a winners’ medal for his efforts in guarding their goal.

When asked to identify the greatest moment of his Manchester United career, De Gea told the club’s official website: “When we won the league – that was a really special moment. The greatest thing about Man Utd is the clubs history, the greats that have represented this team and the fans are incredible too."

De Gea also identified a save he made in the 2011/12 season as his best to date. He pulled off a stunning save against Chelsea at Stamford Bridge in a 3-3 draw.

“The one from Juan Mata against Chelsea – the save from the free-kick in February 2012.”

raumdeuter:
Where did I make you believe anything started in 1995? can you show me?

The law has always been from the early 90s which was why Milan had only 3 foreigners in the 1991 team yet English teams are complaining they did not let them use more than 3 when no one was using more than 3

You said they announced it when 1995 season was about to start.

Anyway, English team were simply saying, their govt law didn't restrict players/workers from anywhere in UK because of common Labour law (perhaps). Their FA probably were unable to implement the Eufa restriction because of a government law. So the clubs were torn in the fight between their govt and Eufa.

raumdeuter:
Were English clubs aware that UEFA only allows 3 foreigners?

Were English clubs aware that anyone not from England is a foreigner?

If UEFA has a law that a keeper cannot hold backpass but in Estonian league they still allow backpass Should they complain when they get to play UEFA matches and they arent allowed to use backpasses

I read that the laws were not there in the 70s. The UK already had a system before Eufa brought their laws. The government of the entire UK economy was more important than football. It's just like having a free trade and free movement in West Africa.

It's like saying you as a club cannot discriminate against players from Wales, Ireland and Scotland. And that's Queen's law. So your hands are tied.

raumdeuter:
UEFA told all teams they would only be able to use 3. Some teams had more than 3 and had to drop them to play European matches

So whose business is it if English teams acquired more players than UEFA allowed to play

The law that three foreign players had to play, did it start in 1994/1995 season as you try to make us believe?

I want to believe the law was already effective, but it always favored other leagues which had a similar law with Eufa. But English league couldn't make a similar laws because of the common ground in UK as a whole. So it was hard bringing quality players from outside UK due to the British laws which favored their people but hostile to foreigners particularly non Europeans.

What am I saying. Teams from other leagues didn't have to reshuffle their team when they play in Europe. But English team will have so much changes to make because many first team players wouldn't be eligible due to difference in laws.

raumdeuter:
Irwin and Giggs are foreigners. If you dont drop them then you would be using 5 foreigners

Irwin and Giggs dont play for England National team so why shouldnt they be foreigners?

UEFA made it clear before competition that only 3 foreigners are allowed simple

You can see for yourself how English teams were disadvantaged because of internal Labour laws.

So United could have 5 English, 5 other UK players, 1 non UK player as regular XI in the league, then on European nights United will be forced to source 3 more English players from reserve or Academy to play Europe.

It could be worse if the regular bench is made up of players from Wales, Scotland, Ireland .

raumdeuter:
How are these disadvantages? UEFA stated it before the season that you can only use a maximum of 3 foreigners They know Wales, Ireland and Scotland are foreigners because they cannot play for the English National Team.

Giggs cant play for England etc.

Other European teams also had the 3 foreigner rule. Some Italian teams too had more than 3 foreigners but when they get to Europe they are forced to drop others and field just 3.

So how was it a disadvantage

It's a disadvantage because it was only English teams who had first team regular players who were eligible to play Premier League but ineligible to all play in European matches.

Dadehmola:
That Yeye Ac milan Coached by Leonardo abi Wetin be hin name?? That side wasn't better than Spartak Moscow Abeg.

Inter milan had Julio Cesar; best goalie in the world ( he was 1st choice & not Toldo - My bad)

............... Julio Cesar..............

Maicon.....Samuel......Lucio........Chivu

Thiago Motta.....Cambiasso

....Pandev...............Sneijder...................

.........................Eto.......Milito..........

Didn't you watch the semi final 2nd leg vs Barca?? This team eliminated Barca despite playing the majority of that match with 10 men....Messi was totally useless throughout.

In the final vs Bayern, it was a typical Mourihno-esque performance - Bayern did the playing while Inter picked their moments & it worked perfectly.

I've never been a fan of bus-packing but mehn, the efficient way the team went about it was excellent.

They parked the bus against Barca na.

United had a very swift transition of the ball from defence to attack. We were the only ones who could have easily beaten them. The Inter Milan team we beat a year before was almost as strong. They had Ibrahimovic at the time. They were feared until they met us.

We were so good that year 2010 that we were going to win in Germany then injury played it's part. They were still lucky the cross bar prevented Vidic rocket header from going in. Soon after they scored us.

raumdeuter:
Elamps. What does this mean?

UEFA says every team should use a maximum of 3 foreigners. So why didnt Man Utd use their own non UK foreigners?. This would have made sense if Others in Europe were using more than 3 foreigners and only English teams couldnt use that more than 3

UEFA say use only 3. Man utd choose their 3 foreigners, AC Milan or barca chose theirs. Man utd lost and you come back to say its because they didnt allow Man Utd use 7 foreigners?

So United would use there non UK foreigners, then forced to compulsorily dropped first team members who came from Wales, Scotland and Ireland. How could the team play with a good rhythm when the first team had been distorted?

Take for instance, you are forced to drop Irwin and Giggs because you already have chosen other three foreigners.

raumdeuter:
Are Scotland, Wales and ireland not separate countries? Dont they have separate representative in the Champions League or are they the same country?

Leeds had players from Scotland, Wales, Ireland, Northern ireland, France and Malta

AC Milan too aside from Italian players only had players from Holland

We are getting somewhere.

I don't know much of the Labour laws in UK or England. But it looks like there was a free movement of players withing the UK which meant English teams had like nearly half of their players from other parts of UK.

So take for example, the Leeds team that won the league in 1991/1992 season, when they had to play in Europe, they will be forced to select only 2 out of about 8 players from Wales and Scotland. Plus Cantona the required three is complete. The rest first team members would not be qualified to be even on the bench in Champion League games.

These were the disadvantages SAF faced.

raumdeuter, I will like you to see this.




Did Bosman help Manchester United win the Champions League?
British clubs pre-Bosman found themselves at a huge disadvantage in European competitions, because Uefa decreed that Welsh and Scottish players counted as foreigners under their "three-plus-two" rule.
That meant that United, for example, had to make wholesale changes to their normal line-up when playing in Europe - most memorably when Alex Ferguson brought English goalkeeper Gary Walsh in for the Danish Peter Schmeichel in the 4-0 thrashing by Barcelona in 1994-5.
When clubs were suddenly freed to play all the EU players they wanted, Sir Alex Ferguson was at last able to play his first-choice XI in Europe.
Only five of the 13 players who featured in United's 1999 Champions League final win over Bayern Munich were English.
Before the Bosman ruling, that team could never have set foot on the pitch.


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raumdeuter:
Since its the teams that make a league then how is foreigners in a team different from foreigners in a league

In those Italian teams of the early 90 their teams are mainly Italians because there is a limit on the number of Italians you can field

E.g Lets take 1991 very early in the 90's
In 1991 Leed won the English league they had 8 foreigners,
AC Milan won Serie A they had just 3 foreigners,
Barcelona won La Liga had 4 foreigners,
Stuttgart won the Bundesliga they had 3 foreigners

So tell me how it was the English league that was particularly not welcoming to foreigners

The foreign players in Leeds, were they not from Scotland, Wales and Ireland, apart from may be Cantona?

I remember very well English teams were angry with Eufa for counting players from other parts of United Kingdom as foreigners, so they couldn't use all their players in Europe.

English FA and authorities didn't see players from other parts of UK as foreigners as such, but work permit was made very difficult from players from other parts of the world, particularly outside Europe. All these made the league to be substandard and restricted the coaches in English league.

Dadehmola:
Not so sure about this...

That Inter Milan side that won the UCL that year - the team na diee!!

Toldo - Samuel - Sneijder - Eto.. The spine of the team was rock solid. Sneijder was even the best player in the world that season (another argument for another day).

Maicon, Cambaisso, the versatile Chivu, the free scoring Diego Milito....Lawd - Mourihno had a set of warriors/champions/merceneries at his disposal.

That team perfectly suited Mourihno's "battle mode" mentality

Did you know by how many goals we dismissed AC Milan that season? Without Rafael's red card and Rooney's injury we would have won it. We were comfortable even against Bayern until Rooney started limping. We had Valencia, Nani, Vidic, Ferdinand who were playing some real world class football at the time.

raumdeuter:
These are weak excuses or non excuses

EVERY team in Europe had a maximum number of foreigners you could use not just Man Utd.

Pre Bosman era. All teams in Europe couldnt have more than 3 foreigners in their starting 11

For example in the 1993 and 1994 CL final all finalists had not more than 3 foreigners in their team By 1999 CL final Man Utd had 6 foreigners while their opponent Bayern had just 1

So come up with another excuse of why Ferguson made only 7 semi finals

And in those days if you are from a football power(Spain, Italy germany England France) making the quarter and semi was easy because

1. Only 1 and later 2 teams came from each country
2. You are from a football superpower
3. There wernt many countries in Europe then Yugolslavia was 1 country same with USSR Czeckolovakia)

Assuming now the rule was in effect that means the CL would only have Barca, Bayern, Juve, PSG, Zenit, PSV, Benfica and Chelsea plus those 3rd world football nations like Hungary. Now tell me how its a difficult task to make the quarter final in this lineup

I am not talking about the number of foreigners featured in a team. I am talking about welcoming of foreigners to a league which ultimately affected the standard of the league. English league was not welcoming to foreign players until mid or late 1990s. Compare that with Laliga and Serie A.

I will be back much later, hopefully.

ollah1:
Local champion: Sir Alex Ferguson aka Mr Tomato face

Now this guy sounds like 1025.