European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 1:37pm On Oct 22, 2015 |
What we had yesterday was Valencia, Herrera and Lingard trying to form a triangle to pass around the defence with more direct approach reminiscent of our triangle attack against Liverpool, City, Spurs etc last seasin, but Lingard didn't understand the concept.
He tried for his age as a 'kid' but it was a wrong timing to give him a starting place when we had Mata and Memphis on the bench.
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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 1:31pm On Oct 22, 2015 |
Moving Martial back into the middle would, of course, mean Rooney would have to make room. The skipper's goalscoring performance against Everton showed he can still do the business as a striker, but he cut an isolated figure against CSKA Moscow. Of United's starting XI, only David de Gea had fewer touches (40). In his defence, there was very little in the way of creativity behind him, but he should have done better than to head Ander Herrera's cross straight at Igor Akinfeev in the 60th minute."Obviously I want to score goals to help the team be successful," Rooney said before the game."But the main objective in my career is not personal goals, it's the team's success." Now Van Gaal must decide whether Rooney up front is the best formula for his side.
- Skysports.
........ I blamed Rooney yesterday on my sincere observation and even think he should be dropped to decide whether he still wants to play for us or not. But the kids here thought they could war with me. Same observation in my partial defense of him has been corroborated by Skysports.
Abeg I dey very busy. I haven't time for trivial details. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 1:25pm On Oct 22, 2015 |
One of the toughest decisions Van Gaal faces for Sunday's game is who to play at right-back. Summer signing Matteo Darmian has been first-choice since his arrival from Torino, but Antonio Valencia might fancy his chances of starting in the Manchester derby after impressing against CSKA.
The Ecuador international's rampaging runs up the flank were United's biggest attacking threat. In total he attempted 10 crosses, four of which found a United team-mate, including an excellent delivery for Martial's goal. Valencia was solid at the other end too, winning possession more times (eight) than any of his team-mate.
- Skysports. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 1:14pm On Oct 22, 2015 |
^^^ If you look at the flow of the argument above, you would see that Valencia defeated Lingard in both chances created/key pass and crosses. He achieved this from defence.
So what was Lingard doing cutting infield?
I don't have time for what was so obvious. Valencia was our MOTM and most attacking threat. Lingard was a clog in our attack particularly in the first half. He played like Obertan. Hey didn't know how to position or move.
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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 12:52pm On Oct 22, 2015*. Modified: 1:10pm On Oct 22, 2015 |
darefestus: Are you for real?
So because he plays on the right means he has to be a traditional winger? Get down the touchline and cross the ball in? How many crosses does Mata averages in games?
And what do u mean by key passes? You brought up Valencia's 2 as our highest, doesnt that tell you all you need to know about the game?. Particularly since we play with the slowest tempo seen in modern football allowing the opposition to get behind the ball, and with a static forward who wont even make himself available for a pass.
You are foolish Elampiro, that fact has been established. Who said the above? Your lies are exposed again. You implied Mata would have had more crosses. Then I showed you Mata cross accuracy is weak. I checked about three of four Mata's last games and he consistently had 0/2 cross accuracy. Di Maria used to have the highest cross accuracy. This season I doubt if any of our player has had up to 4 accurate crosses in a game. And you assumed Valencia was a winger for us? He was a right full back. I don't know why I am even arguing with you kids. Below is what you were responding to. elampiro: Before I thought you were good for kindergarten, but now I know you are only good for akara school.
How many parameters did I used in measuring Valencia and Lingard?
How many are relevant to the position of a winger? Crosses, key passes, etc. If Valencia who played as a defender had the best attacking stat for us, what else are you still talking about? |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 12:47pm On Oct 22, 2015 |
darefestus: You lying b@$+ard.
You cant even comprehend simple, concise english.
You stressed on Lingaard's zero cross/chances created stat, and i answered you that he didnt play as an out-and-out winger, and that because of our laborious passing and movement, coupled with Rooney being an absolute plank who wouldnt move, his numbers weren't eye-catching.
I then compared with mata, who up till now was our regular fixture, and asked how many Crosses does he complete anyway, just to butress my point that Lingaard didnt play on the wing.
Guy, i have seen some absolutely foolish people on this forum, but none comes close to you. Stop lying. You said Mata makes more crosses. Then I showed you Mata doesn't even everage one accurate pass per game. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 12:44pm On Oct 22, 2015 |
Mystic1: You are a gigantic oloriburuku and a seasoned fool. You this bastard just took me many pages back on how the Martial saga started. It started on page 2014 of this thread, though in page 2014,[b] you posted the news first that a €50m deal is in place for a certain Martial. [/b]Now move to page 2015 when uniquegem came and said "30mins ago he didn't know who martial was but now he cant live without him" then you started bombardin him with questions about martial. He was the only fan here who was optimistic about Martial. Coogar too supported the buy but he only saw him as a prospect. Elfenomeno was solidly behind the puchase too because he has seen martial play. Up till page 2020, you this idiot was still saying Martial might make us regret selling welbeck, you this baboon also stated that he looks like a project for the future because even messi didn't peak at 19. Uniquegem said since LVG is signing Martial he hopes he is going to integrate him into the first team immediately and he hopes martial hits the ground running. So gay boy, i searched everywhere to find out were you endorsed him to shine but couldn't find. All i saw were negatives and uncertainties from you. Whoever is intersted to verify can go back and start from page 2014. Elampiro the fame grabber and the self acclaimed undefeatble. Do you have sense at all? Have not not just corroborated me now that I broke the news first?I ls that not what I said last night? You should be ashamed of your lies.
SailorXY and Chrisley024 can bear me witness I backed on Marshal when his clip was released. I praised his potentials as having dribbling skills of Sterling and scoring ability of Suarez, but Chrisley024 replied me that all he sees is a certain 19 years old who misses goals. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 12:38pm On Oct 22, 2015*. Modified: 1:03pm On Oct 22, 2015 |
lekkie073: na wa o..... rely on opta for stats because they can never br wrong
dont rely on opta on line up formation......is line up formation not part of d stats?
u get serious problem sir
if opta can be wrong in ordinary line up formation, then they can be wrong in a million other info they dish out for u... prematch formation of opta is based on assumption. We have been though all these time and time again. When the line up list is released, they fix players in positions - formation. But in true field it doesn't always follow. You might see Herrera in the wing but he ends up as number 10 in real match. Yesterday the Eufa screen got the formation wrong. Eufa mostly work with opta. I think Martial was shown as number 9 and Herrera as number 11. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 3:57am On Oct 22, 2015 |
Mystic1: Don't worry, you will be cremated finally at dawn. I have loads of witness from that night. You are a dead decaying gay. Take note. You have dug your grave. What stops you from calling up the page where I first announced it and the discussions that followed? Go and check my comments about. Martial and also when his YouTube video was published. I was solidly behind him. Ignoramus agbaya, go and sleep because you are not taking. This is my last post tonight. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 3:53am On Oct 22, 2015 |
Mystic1: Did you tip Martial for greatness? And What did you tell Uniquegem about Martial? You were busy asking for his view on Martial and saying the kid is unproven and £36M is too much and its a panic buy. Now that the boy have taken you and your idol by surprise and is even planning to send your idol packing, you want to take the front row bah? If you cannot support this with an evidence. You will live in shame. LAIR. Everyone knew I was optimist about Martial and never complained about his price. I even argued with Chrisley024 when he was skeptical. I said Martial had the dribbling of Sterling and the scoring potential of Suarez. Now show me your analysis about him. Ignoramus. Dead rotten body. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 3:49am On Oct 22, 2015 |
darefestus: Remind me who said never to argue with a fool, that he'd draw you down to his level and beat you with experience.
I'm sure at one point or another, anyone who tried arguing with you would have found that quote and would just have left you to your tomfoolery. I have argued with three opponents tonight and I took you all to school. I defeated you all resoundingly with facts, figures and analysis from credible websites. I gave you opta stats and illiterates like you couldn't comprehend them. Shame! You even said Mata would have made more accurate crosses. Lol. When, last did Mata make an accurate cross? Ignoramus. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 3:44am On Oct 22, 2015 |
Mystic1: This Statement above further certifies that this oloriburuku somebody never liked Martial from the onset. Why? Because if truly this retardeeeen Elampiro can be provoked to hate a player he loves and is backing, he would have given up on Rooney since 2years ago. This exceptional foo.l has held arguements with countless of monikers here and has never been provoked to hate Rooney. Now after just less than 15 games, he has already been provoked to hate the Martial he claim to love. Elampiro you are nuisance. Agbaya go and die. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 3:42am On Oct 22, 2015 |
Mystic1: You are a bastard son with a thousand fathers. You are a nicompoop for attempting to champion yourself. What arguement have you ever engaged in and won on this thread, you think i haven't been observing you bastard? The only thing that matters in your miserable life is Rooney and that has been the only arguement you've always engaged in. Your football sense is so small, so minute, so insignificant, so biased, so ignorant, and so unoticeable. Bastard like you don't have what it takes to win arguements. You should just seclude yourself in your corner with your darling gods(Rooney) picture, reminesce your time together, kiss it, hail it and bow to it three times. You are a product of bestiality. Almost everyone here knew I announced our interest in Martial and most of our signings. I was the first. I can never lose an argument. See you at dawn, Ignoramus. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 3:39am On Oct 22, 2015 |
Mystic1: You are a bastard and a liar. The first and only person who accept Martial transfer was Uniquegem. I was here that night foo,l. He was the first person to report the news. And you Mr dingbat were busy asking him if he knew martial or has watched him play. He told you that he hasn't but as far as martial can pass and shoot that he is better than Rooney. You this same bastard said you weren't sure and you didn't know martial. Don't worry i will go back and go and get the screen shots and prove to the hole thread that you are a shameless liar and a fame grabber. Weyrey boy! Even UniqueGem will not agree with you, else he ends up being a liar. The records are there. Why not go and check. I was the first to broadcast our interest in Martial. The first also on Memphis, Darmian and I think Schneiderlin. You are a goat. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 3:03am On Oct 22, 2015 |
Mystic1: See this Mad Baboon talking about love and insult. You who finds fault in all that other players does but won't find any fault in Rooney? You are an airhead and a burden to humanity. Make sure before you sleep, bring out that Rooneys picture from your pocket, call your household to gather around it then bow to it 3 times. Remember to take along while going to work tomorrow so you can stare at it, kiss it and bow to it at intervals. Oloshi omo ale jati jati You are a she goat. What was my analysis of the match as regard to Rooney? Zero head. You can never win an argument against me. You are too small, too ill equipped, too ignorant, too crude in punditry to face me. I can never lose an argument on this thread. Never! |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 2:58am On Oct 22, 2015 |
Mystic1: You are even hating on your clubs best player because of one out of shape obessed fatso. I was the first person who announced Martial on this thread. I was the first to say he will be great. Now you are coming to talk like you know anything about soccer. You ignoramus. If I am provoked to hate on him, why not? |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 2:34am On Oct 22, 2015 |
Mystic1: Martial Made a mistake we Drew. Rooney made a mistake we lost. Stewpid Rooney worshipper thats the deal. When Martial wins a Premier League at all, we an begin to talk. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 2:32am On Oct 22, 2015 |
Mystic1: In your riches, may the whole world be against you just as they are against wayne rooney leading man utds attack. Nicompop go and sleep. The whole world loves me. Real humans. Not an empty head like you sitting behind the computer insulting people. You don't have happiness and joy so all you can pass is hatred and insults because of football. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 2:27am On Oct 22, 2015 |
Mystic1: Martial Handled the ball in a dangerous area we conceded. Rooney lost the ball in a dangerous area we conceded. In both cases we conceded, but the difference is that Martial Made amends while Rooney could not. Losing the ball is no problem. There are defenders to save the situation. A deliberate hand ball could lead to a red card and penalty has not defenders protection m |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 2:24am On Oct 22, 2015 |
Mystic1: Since you've Rooney your mantra, and have his picture in your pocket that you bow to at intervals, May the God lord lead your path the way Rooney is leading man utds attack May your god lead you like the worst drunkard from your village. Rooney's wealth is good for me. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 2:22am On Oct 22, 2015 |
Mystic1: May ur life lose shape as wayne rooney so that when you're asked what happened, you'll be telling them that you used be a millionaire. Oponu apoda! Rooney is a millionaire in pounds. May I be blessed as such. As for you, may your life lose shape like Clifford Orji so that you start eating dead rats under the bridge. What nonsense!!! |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 2:20am On Oct 22, 2015 |
Mystic1: You are an A'hole. Rooney who couldn't even beat an empty neat on two occasions against swansea? At least Martial Made a mistake then made amends. Rooney gave a wayward pass that caused swansea to equalise and yet couldn't make amends despite the numerous chances he got on a platter. You are a dingbat for stylishly blaming martial when Rooney is a huge 0 to the team. Rooney did not cause a penalty. Giving the ball away is normal. Carrick does it a lot and we do concede from such. Deliberate hand ball in the box is abnormal. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 2:18am On Oct 22, 2015 |
Mystic1: Idiot this is not the prayer point, say amen to the original prayer point then i'll know you are a sane man and i can continue with you. An ignoramus like you will ever remain ignoramus as long as you have Lingard football brain on your head in your daily activities. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 2:15am On Oct 22, 2015 |
[quote author=Mystic1 post=39223905][/quote]You are a fool.
Rooney's sense of scoring a bicycle kick is one of the best sense in football. His sense of making money is one of the best in the world.
You, if you like go and get Lingard football sense on top of your head. Olodo! |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 2:12am On Oct 22, 2015 |
Mystic1: I'm not comapring Rooney with Martial because Martial is simply too good for him. I am comparing their header. Was Rooney not well placed in front of his marker when Herrera played a delicious cross onto his head? All he needed to do was redirect the ball into the net but he tamely gave it to the keeper. Even Martial dived to make sure he scored but rooney couldn't even score on his feet. Rooney is even making all the hard works of his team mates not to count while Martial is making them count. If i may ask you, why was Rooneys input in tonights game? Rooney's header was a contested header. He ran in front of the defender to get a head on the ball. But Martial was picked by Valencia for a fee header. Kudos to Martial though. Again he equalized the penalty he caused. He put us in that situation. We were in command until that penalty. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 2:06am On Oct 22, 2015*. Modified: 3:06am On Oct 22, 2015 |
Mystic1: This Elampiro is a insane man. You are mad! Mystic1: He doesn't want Rooney to be judged at all no matter the yardstick used. He said Rooney can't be judged with pass accuracy because he was isolated upfront, then how many goals did he score ? Because since he couldn't pass, he should definitely be shooting and scoring. Number 9 don't have high accurate pass rates. You said he should be shooting. Did Rooney not force two saves? The keeper was lucky with the first. Mystic1: T. So who was he creating the chances for? Using your logic, He wants Martial to leave his passing department and come and help him to score in the scoring department abi. May Gods performance in your life be the same with Rooneys current performance for man utd. Say Amen. Number 9s can create chances for others. Are you new to football? Martial score is not new. Rooney scored most of his goals last season from midfield. Under Saf he scored goals from wing. May God bless me with Rooney's sense of making wealth. Amen. Yori Yori |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 1:58am On Oct 22, 2015 |
Mystic1: You are a roaming mad man. So we shouldn't use pass accuracy to rate somebody who is further up the pitch because he didn't come with his team mates and so is isolated abi? Okay since he is furthest up the pitch and closest to the opposition keeper let us judge him with amount of goals then, how many did he score you imp? Why are you busy listing the chances he created - who is he creating them for? For his defenders playing down the pitch on the midfielders behind him? Where was Rooney when Martial headed in? Did you see the pawa in that Martials header and did you see how light weighted Rooneys header from herreras cross was? You are a very confused person. What on earth do you want us to judge Rooney with? Because is sure for me that he is last in everything good. Who is comparing Rooney with Martial? You brought up useless comparison with Lingard. By the way, Martial' header was a free header. It was a perfect job by Antonio Valencia. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 1:56am On Oct 22, 2015*. Modified: 3:05am On Oct 22, 2015 |
darefestus: Are you for real?
So because he plays on the right means he has to be a traditional winger? Get down the touchline and cross the ball in? How many crosses does Mata averages in games?
And what do u mean by key passes? You brought up Valencia's 2 as our highest, doesnt that tell you all you need to know about the game?. Particularly since we play with the slowest tempo seen in modern football allowing the opposition to get behind the ball, and with a static forward who wont even make himself available for a pass.
You are foolish Elampiro, that fact has been established. Shut up! You are a real illiterate. Mata 's average accurate cross per match is 0.the 4 Less than 1.  Luke Shaw and Memphis have the highest cross per match which is 1. Here Valencia a full back pull in four accurate crosses and you type nonsense. Ashley Young as a winger needed like 12 crosses to make 1 or 2 accurate crosses. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 1:43am On Oct 22, 2015 |
Defensive stat.
Highest tackles Valencia 4 Schneiderlin 3 Rojo 2
Clearances Valencia 3 Smalling 3 Rojo 2
Interception Jones 3 Sneiderlin 3 Smalling 2 Valencia 1 Rojo 1
Aerial dues won Smalling 3 Valencia 2 Jones 1 Martial 1 Rojo 1
Attacking stat.
Assist Valencia 1
Chances Created Valencia 2 Rooney 1 Herrera 1 Schneiderlin 1
Accurate crosses. Valencia 4 Herrera 1 Memphis 1
Remember, Valencia played full back as Rojo. And Val was up against the strongest men. The penalty and threats came from Rojo's side. Valencia won in both defensive stats and attacking stats. He was the only one playing directly forward and outpacing his markers.
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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 1:28am On Oct 22, 2015 |
darefestus: I dont know why you cant choose one side of the divide.
You just used your f'd up statistics to delude yourself into thinking Valencia was our best player.
By the same token, didnt you see from the same stat that Rooney was much worse than Lingaard? Abi which kain blatant double-standards be this?
Is there something you smoke before posting here or are you just trying to be controversial? Before I thought you were good for kindergarten, but now I know you are only good for akara school. How many parameters did I used in measuring Valencia and Lingard? How many are relevant to the position of a winger? Crosses, key passes, etc. If Valencia who played as a defender had the best attacking stat for us, what else are you still talking about? |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 1:20am On Oct 22, 2015 |
AdeLaNa1: Why u dey lie ontop Lingard head. The boy although shîtty more than half the entire night, had at least 2 shots dat i saw. One shot dat was way off target in the first half and one shot on target in the 2nd half(the one he should ve blasted into the roof but instead chose to pass to Akinfev).
That makes 2 shots for Lingard and 1 on target. These things happened in your dream. Good night.
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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 1:11am On Oct 22, 2015 |
Mystic1: Elampiro you and Rooney should bury your heads in shame..... Rooney Vs Lingard in Moscow Convinced yet? Where are you guys coming out from? How can you use pass accuracy to judge a number 9 who plays in heat zone and was highly isolated tonight? Chances Created Valencia 2 Rooney 1. lingard 0 Shots Rooney 3 Lingard 0 Shots on target Rooney 2 Lingard 0 There is no arguing the fact that Lingard was our worst player. But he could be pardoned because he is an U-21 People who watched the match with me wanted him substituted after just 20 minutes. And to think we had a certain Januzaj somewhere. |