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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 9:24pm On Jul 21, 2015
tess1:
Who is changing? I still stand by my assertions that it is only when Rooney and Chicha played as the two top strikers that Chicha lead, while Rooney lead when he's paired any other striker.

Rooney majorly lead our attack during that season and that reflected in the large number of minutes he has over Chicha.

Stop bringing in your One-man blog Zonal Marking. What Zonal marking said cannot override what the stats that OPTA and whoscored analyzed through technology. Zonal marking is not a reputable stats site. It is purely a one man blog. How can his opinion on football issues be superior to mine?

Rooney have finally put the owner to where he belongs that he doesn't know what he's saying. I'll rather believe what Rooney said as it aligns with what Opta and whoscored said than believe what Zonal marking said.

As far as i am concerned, Rooney who played all the matches have confirmed to us that he was the lead striker in that season. Any other thing you say is null and void. It doesn't carry any weight.
Chicharito has cumulative of at least 14 full matches. Take that out you will see how deep that number had taken out of Rooney's time.

We can begin next to analyze remaining Rooney's matches he played with Welbeck. We can pull out videos, players positioning to and even heat maps to drive our points home. It might be painstaking but at the end it will be clear.

How come Zonal Marking categorically has Welbeck ahead of Rooney just as with Chicha? The only time Rooney led was when Chicha and Welbeck were absent and we played 4-5-1. Giggs or Park went to tip of midfield.

I am sure even whoscored would have a formation where Welbeck was in front of Rooney. But you say he was behind Rooney.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 9:12pm On Jul 21, 2015
Valencia is unnecessary underrated just because he is not a natural right back. He is one of the reasons we did well in the run in to secure a top four finish.

Everyone also rely on him to keep the ball when we are shaking in possession. He is an unsong hero. Anyone able to bench Rafael has to be very good.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 8:59pm On Jul 21, 2015
coogar:
there's no right or wrong on this matter again. rooney has finally come out with the truth. the other time, he was a bit vague about where he actually operated by using the word "upfront". now, he said it himself he played a full season as a striker in 09/10 & 11/12. what other proof do you need? the reason rooney wanted out in 12/13 was because SAF played rooney behind RVP in a 4-2-3-1 formation instead of the 4-4-2 rooney had enjoyed playing in 11/12.
SAF said Rooney was his number 10. Even youtube videos I posted here last here showed Rooney was far behind Chicha and Nani on the pitch. How can a supposed number 9 mostly behind a winger. Rooney started many of the goals he scored. He was mostly running into the box from the deep.

Using your logic, we can as well say RVP is running away because Rooney was made captain.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 8:53pm On Jul 21, 2015
coogar:
that is all i have to say



OPTA does not know where rooney played.
rooney does not know where he played
whoscored does not know where rooney played.
rooney thinks playing upfront is the same as number 10.

we have heard all kinda excuses in the past 3 years concerning this rooney issue. in the end, rooney has finally ended the long drawn debate that he was a lead striker in 11/12. i am surprised elampawa hasn't twisted it that rooney thinks striker is number 10. grin
Rooney played behind Chicha and Welbeck. It's all well documented by Zonal Marking. Rooney saying he played a lone striker is just a matter of buying the managers mind. If played as a lone striker, where did Chicha play? Number 10?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 8:44pm On Jul 21, 2015
sinizia:
re-post them please. take your time and give me those 5 pictorial evidence please.
May be weekend if I had the time.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 8:42pm On Jul 21, 2015
tess1:
LMAO! I trust you. You never disappoint me. I knew you will twist the comment again.

Even without reading SAF's comment we argued it here with you that the two season Rooney scored high goals were the seasons he lead our attack.

I could remember telling you that SAF will never trust Welbeck who just came back from a loan spell with the lead striking role. He'll always use him as the support striker to Rooney.

As for Chicha, he had 1478 mins (18 starts) while Rooney had 2838 mins (32 starts) which shows that Rooney played mostly as the lead striker in the 4 4 2 formation that was mostly used by SAF in that season. Whoscored also confirmed this but you kept on bringing articles from some journo and some games charts from Zonal marking. Zonal Marking that's being run by a single who only talked about selected few games.

How can you call that a political statement that he doesn't want LVG to buy a striker when:

1. We all know that we are now well stocked in all those other positions he's been used over the years.
2. Wayne Rooney is a privileged captain according to LVG. LVG didn't substitute him in some games he wasn't playing well last season.
3. "If Rooney is fit he must play" This simply means Rooney will be the first choice striker next season. Any striker we buy now is going to sit on the bench until Rooney stink the joint on a consistent basis.
4. Rooney also boldly said this 'So hopefully if I play up there again this season then I can score the goals. It is where I like to play and I am sure it is where I will play. It is where the manager and myself see my best position.'

Anyway, whether you twist it or not, the ORACLE have spoken. You cannot know Rooney more than Rooney himself. He specifically mention those two seasons we have argued here that he lead our attack. Whoscored and OPTA also align with our assertions.
You said in January 2014 that Chicha played in front of Rooney. Why are you changing MOUTH now?

So now you are saying Chicha who always isolated himself upfront from the other players, was our number 10? U try.

Welbeck was surely in front of Rooney. Zonal Marking has never got its players formation /position in wrong.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 9:57am On Jul 21, 2015
parrotibaba:
Elampiro deserves to have a movie made in his name



ELAMPIRO: THE GREATEST LIAR ON PLANET EARTH


grin grin
Devil himself pays respect to you when you lie. He just cannot comprehend where you got your lying demons from. He wonders if there could be a more evil devil out there.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 9:53am On Jul 21, 2015
parrotibaba:
First of ,in dat argument dat we had ,we used d 2010/2011 n 2011/12 season,d 2012/2013 was not used b4 u think I was referring to dat. The problem is dat you can't believe dat Wayne Rooney had dis interview grin In dat argument ,we all exposed the cretinous lies u hv been piling in this thread ,u said Rooney played in d hole in d 2010/2011 n d 2011/2012 season ,we proved u wrong n now baba himself has validated our assertion.



Elamps you need a functioning brain
I always knew you needed a brain even if it had to be one gotten from a dead sheep killed by a borrow pusher from its own stupidity. Your memory has already failed you how that argument escalated and inferences where drawn from several seasons (2009/10 to 2012/13) to try to reach a conclusion. I showed several ZM matches, I have country countless I have always shown for about 2 years now how Rooney was behind Chicha and Welbeck. I finished it off with that ZM chart which SAF supported, and opta failed woefully. ZM also put Chicha and RVP on same line, whereas in 2011/12, Rooney was behind Chicha /Welbeck.

When l was done with you guys, a group of people who survived the force of categorical 5 Hurricane and a nine point magnitude earthquake looked more human than you guys. When I saw you guys were half died, I withdrew the super volcanoes I was to unleash.




I beg I dey come later.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 9:30am On Jul 21, 2015

I will be back later or at night.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 9:29am On Jul 21, 2015
sinizia:
ALL? God!! why these lies? huh huh huh

You submitted one match day report. i said give me the PICTORIAL EVIDENCE OF ROONEY'S POSITION AGAINST WEST HAM FROM 5 DIFFERENT SITES. IS IT SO HARD TO FIND? undecided undecided undecided undecided undecided
I submitted two in the last argument. Before you came to this thread I had previously produced others, but I have changed my phone and lost many items and links.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 9:26am On Jul 21, 2015
parrotibaba:
How should I remember d page we had dat argument? Even a senile drunk wouldn't forget easily how u were beaten black n blue. A troglodyte will be better at comprehending d use of d flat 4-4-2 formation in football dan u since u r now denying dat we ate u for dinner in dat argument. How r u even discussing football? you r an affront to the footballing world ,and a monumental disgrace to Man united fans across the globe. Even the greatest sports pundits knows when to accept defeat but a backyard nitwit like u thinks u r a god, n one dat reads d mind of Wayne Rooney to understand his intentions. I never took you serious since d day u told us SAF pushed Rooney upfront against Liverpool so as to avoid Gerrard marking him out of d game or are u going to deny ever saying so?


My advice ,find some of ur pals who possess d backwards thinking like u n continue deceiving dem.
Shut up your dirty mouth. I won that argument hands down. I showed you people how opta and who scored misled people in their dubious formation they have about our Newcastle game when they put Kagawa in the hole and Rooney in the wing in a 4-2-3-1.

But Zonal Marking had Rooney in the tip of midfield diamond while Kagawa was in the side. SAF personally told the press some months later that it was diamond he played and Rooney was in the tip behind the two strikers. Zonal Marking got it 100 :%.

That chart put an end to you people's argument because Zonal Marking explained what it means to play two strikers in that chart. RVP and Hernadez were on same line. Which corresponded 100% with SAF analysis, and confirmed all my formation analysis.

Parrot you need a brain.
....................





It beg the question, why was Rooney always behind Chicha and Welbeck in about 90 % of ZM charts of 2011/12? Not even levelled with them?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 9:16am On Jul 21, 2015
sinizia:
give me your own 5 sites, i am waiting.
All the match day reports I submitted no reach you?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 9:14am On Jul 21, 2015
sinizia:
so we should ignore Rooney's word for yours? because you're god or what? huh huh huh huh In that case for every argument you've made here quoting articles, you are dead wrong since we should go for people's thoughts instead of facts.
So Rooney played in a 4-4-2 according to you people. I know it was 4-4-1-1, but let me just tow 4-4-2 a little.

So how was Rooney lone striker while Chicha featured?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 9:09am On Jul 21, 2015
sinizia:
Coogar is wrong? are ALL the websites wrong too? 5 websites proved us right. ok. i DARE YOU TO LIST YOUR OWN SITES WITH EVIDENCES TO SHUT US UP. I DOUBLE DARE YOU

@EMBOLDEN, that same Rooney told you he has been making those sacrifices till the Persie's first season WITHOUT COMPLAINTS. so why is he suddenly complaining for one season only?
5 formation websites who sourced their prematch formation from opta.

Same way all of them captured Kagawa wrongly in the hole. Opta captured Ozil in the hole in Alianz Arena.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 9:05am On Jul 21, 2015
sinizia:
please answer me oo


You lack logic.

So Rooney will be telling you his plots and wits? don't be naive. Read between the lines. Rooney said he played as a lone striker. You people said we played 4-4-2. Where is the lone striker in a 4-4-2 formation? Can't you see your position in this matter and Rooney's are far apart, both from reality? Ukwu!!!
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 8:57am On Jul 21, 2015
parrotibaba:
I don't hv anything more to say to u in as much as Wayne Rooney himself said that. we hv argued about this thing b4 ,we played a flat 4-4-2 n I remember bring zonal marking screenshots here to support my claim so can continue disgracing yourself. A f00l like u should know when to accept u r wrong bt no! instead u cook up lies from ur asS to cover ur face. Carry on!
Why do I even expect a compound fool like you to understand that the position behind Chicharito /Welbeck is number 10. Even in 4-4-2 the support striker is number 10.

I defeated you in the charts you bought. You guys chart confirmed my position. Give us the link to that page you referred to and let's pull out all our charts.

Ekwe Sample.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 8:51am On Jul 21, 2015
sinizia:
ON THIS DAY, I HEREBY CROWN ELAMPRIRO AS ELAM[size=16pt]SHIFTER[/size] grin grin grin grin grin grin grin
And you = Snizdlair.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 8:49am On Jul 21, 2015
sinizia:
na wa o. so after all the matches Coogar listed out including exposing you for your lies of saying Rooney played in the wing against west ham, you are shamelessly calling me a liar? well, i am not surprised, you called all the sites liars cos they exposed you too. grin grin grin
Coogar was wrong with the West Ham game.

Even Coogar said Rooney played in the wing against Reading. A match I did not even list before.

Coogar knew Rooney played in midfield against Villa and Stoke. He knew too Rooney played in the wing in Madrid. He knew he Rooney was benched in Old Trafford. And later used in midfield.

All these came within a short period from February to April.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 8:45am On Jul 21, 2015
parrotibaba:
The other day it was about Rooney being moved upfront cos of Gerrard ,now this. You are officially the biggest fraud to ever log in to this thread grin grin



Deal with dat!
You are the biggest fraud to ever discussed football.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 8:43am On Jul 21, 2015
parrotibaba:
it must hurt really bad though ,to see that all the lies that you have been building over the years have finally crumbled with just an interview from the man himself. Any other stuff u r saying is just an escape route from public humiliation. "All that was to get Gaal to forget about signing a striker" ,did u even listen to urself when u typed this crap? The other it was about Rooney being moved upfront cos of Gerrard ,now this. You are officially the biggest fraud to ever log in to this thread grin grin



Deal with dat!
You must be the joke of the millennium to believe Rooney played as a sole striker while Chicharito played the number 10.

Zonal marking has the facts well documented for ages to come. There is no one formation chart out there that shows Rooney played as a sole striker.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 8:38am On Jul 21, 2015
sinizia:
list the matches Kagawa played in NUMBER 10 that season. Why do YOu like lying? Rooney played number 10 in 25 matches out of 27, how does that make Kagawa a threat for 2 matches ONLY? huh huh huh
You are the chronic liar.

The issue is not about 22 matches Rooney started that seasons. A season last 9 months. It was about specific period towards the end of the season. Mid February to Mid April. That was when the issues came up.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 8:28am On Jul 21, 2015
parrotibaba:
You not accepting is absolutely none of my business. Wayne Rooney himself has clarified d issue n I firmly believe him.
All that was to get Gaal to forget about signing a striker.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 8:26am On Jul 21, 2015
sinizia:
Rooney has been playing out of positions OVER THE YEARS and he never complains. Can't you read Rooney's words or what? Rooney played in the DM position for Moyes and in the midfield for Gaal and never complained. He played in many positions for SAF and never complained till Persie came. why?
Rooney played in the DM for Moyes because Kagawa was a squad player. Not a threat to his number 10 position.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 8:24am On Jul 21, 2015
JayKayMaybachz:
✔ ✔ Another guy who works at Aon complex said it too, that Cr7 is fed up with madrid

That he's agent, Mendez was at OT recently concerning De Gea and Cr7....

Thats why paddy talked bout the surprise thing

And it may be true

Cognizant to that fact about what LvG said bout the striker the media are mentioning ain't in he's book.. .
This is the only news that can cause me excitement. Ronaldo or Messi.

Bale can still cause small excitement if he comes cheap.

But wait, na AoN you dey work? So na dollars or pounds you dey earn? Exchange rate don favour you o. If you carry 10,000 dollars come naija dat na odudukudu you be na.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 8:15am On Jul 21, 2015
parrotibaba:
Accepting defeat won't kill you Elamps ,this came from the horse's mouth n now u r bringing up another lie to cover up ur already burnt asS ,wrong move my friend
It came at the wrong time. SAF said Rooney was his normal number 10, he said this when he signed Young.

I can never accept that Rooney played number 9 while Chicha played number 10. How was that possible. Chicha who isolates himself far far upfront from rest of the team?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 8:11am On Jul 21, 2015
[quote author=sinizia post=36109760][/quote]The complaint started from the Madrid games. Then SAF complicated the situation by saying Kagawa best position is number 10, and that was where Rooney likes to play. That he might have to rotate them. Within two months of that statement, Rooney was played out of position in three matches.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 8:07am On Jul 21, 2015
LTSHANGY:
Something tells me the surprise striker is Balotelli..
I think it's Asemoah Gyan.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 8:02am On Jul 21, 2015
JayKayMaybachz:
I have a feeling CR7 is coming back
An agent confirmed it.. .. Thats why it's not in the media
Correct.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 7:59am On Jul 21, 2015
parrotibaba:
really? so u r now Wazza's PA? or r u now calling him a liar? grin grin grin
That na political statement na. He no wan make we sign striker.

He dey try convince Baba say he fit do am.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 7:57am On Jul 21, 2015
sinizia:
www.goal.com/en/news/9/england/2015/07/21/13753992/rooney-van-gaal-sees-me-as-man-utds-lone-striker?ICID=OP

Notice the first embolden words? That's Rooney admitting if he plays "up there (upfront/9 (Persie's role at Man Utd) " he will get goals which he lacked when Persie came to Man Utd.

Rooney also proves us right with second embolden as being a number 9(UPFRONT) in those two seasons AND BEFORE PERSIE CAME.

The colored also exposes Elampawa who denied Rooney wasn't being jealous of Persie's position because he said he had played in midfield OVER THE YEARS and has made made sacrifices, which everyone knows and Rooney doesn't complain about it. Which begs the question - WHY DID ROONEY THEN STARTED COMPLAINING IN PERSIE'S MAIDEN SEASON ONLY?
Rooney never had issues with Van Persie. Before SAF signed Van Persie, he consulted with senior players. They were all in consent.

The problem. problem was Rooney wanted to play as one of the two men upfront, particularly the number 10 , his position, behind another striker. Kagawa was the obstacle.

If you go by this Rooney's statement, are you saying Chicharito / Welbeck played the number 10 behind Rooney? Ukwu!!!
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 7:48am On Jul 21, 2015
tess1:
Coogar, siniza et al, the truth is finally out from the horse's(Rooney's) mouth.

Rooney categorically said his best position is as a striker. He also put to rest the age-long argument that Rooney played number 9 role in his two most productive seasons in Man Utd shirt (2009/10 and 2011/12 seasons)


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3168761/Manchester-United-look-finally-solve-problem-Wayne-Rooney-s-best-position.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed

What has elampiro got to say to these?

Hope there won't be twisting that he doesn't understand the meaning of a Striker. Lol. Or maybe he was drunk!

This has finally laid this argument to rest.
I choose to follow Ferguson's statements then and other statements from players when memory was still fresh as the events were happening. Even you guys opta and whoscored showed Rooney was one of two strikers with Chicha or Welbeck. Zonal Marking showed Rooney played behind a striker.

This statement from Rooney is coming 4 years after when Van Gaal is looking for a striker and Rooney is trying to convince him there is no need to hunt for another striker.

That's all I have to say. Either you take it or leave it.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 11:18pm On Jul 20, 2015
Cavani is not good for us. Chicha will do better sef.

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