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Daintilicious:
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naptu2:
I need to go to sleep, so this must be my last post.

I'm not arguing about whether Agbonavbare was good or not. I know he was good. I watched him play for Rayo and he was superb. He originally got the nickname Agbonavbare from our game against Brazil at Seoul '88 (we lost 4-0), that's why I used the word revived.

However, he lost form during the qualifiers and this was why Westerhoff had to recall Rufai (despite the fact that he really didn't want to).

naptu2:
Alloy Agu started the qualifiers (both Nations Cup and World Cup qualifiers). He initially benched Agbonavbare (against South Africa, Congo, etc), but he suffered a shocking loss of form after his injury. I was usually scared when he was between the sticks. Agbonavbare took over for the second part of the qualifiers. He also suffered a loss of form. There were many close shaves and I remember that after a game in Lagos (I think it was against Ivory Coast, I can't remember for sure) fans demanded that he should be replaced. The newspapers revived the nickname "Agbonabasket". I remember my young neighbour saying that they should never field "that fat man" again. It was after the loss of form that Westerhoff finally decided to invite Rufai. NFA officials had been on Westerhoff's case that he should invite Rufai, but he had refused (especially after what happened in Cameroon in 1989). The only reason that Westerhoff gave in was because both Agbonavbare and Alloy had lost form.

naptu2:
Rufai moved to Dragoons of Benin in the mid-1980s and dropped out of the Super Eagles after Maroc '88 as a result. Aloy Agu was our first choice keeper. Westerhof was also angry with Rufai because of what happened in Cameroon in 1989. The Minister brought Rufai to the camp after the deadline for players had passed. He wanted Westerhof to field Rufai, but Westerhoff said, "either he go or I go".

Alloy was our first choice keeper at Algeria '90 and Senegal '92, but Alloy had an injury when we played in a match against Ghana. He collided with the post and lost a tooth. He was never the same after that. Westerhof tried Agbonavbare, but he was awful, so he had no choice but to recall Rufai.


Ike was undoubtedly our best keeper before France '98. I had been a fan of his right from when he was Stores and I followed his career even when Shooting stole him from us, but Rufai was our second best keeper at the time. I agree with you that he was not as good as he was at Maroc '88 or USA '94, but he was good enough to be second choice. I also cried when Ikeh got injured because I knew that Abiodun Baruwa was not experienced enough to be second choice and I was vindicated when they had to recall Rufai (bypassing both Opara and Baruwa). Rufai should not have been dropped.

naptu2:
Predrag Mijatovic. That was against Yugoslavia. Regarding Rufai, he (rightly) said that he was not in form for the World Cup. He was on his way to the Caribbeans for his holiday when he was recalled, which leads to my questions, (1) Why was he dropped in the first place (2) Why was he handed the first team shirt ahead of the others.

naptu2:
Firstly, please point out where I said he was good (or where I said that he was bad).

Secondly, your ability to perform is not the only thing that determines whether you play in the Super Eagles or not. Let's take your example, why was Peter Rufai dropped from the team before France '98 and then recalled and made first choice keeper when Ike got injured? What happened to the 2nd and 3rd choice keepers? Why were Willy Opara and Abiodun Baruwa picked ahead of Rufai?

We can also use the Finidi controversy that occurred before Atlanta '96. How come Finidi did not play at the Olympics?

alaoeri:
Yea, He was the 2nd choice goalkeeper, its 3goalkeepers per tournament.

chukkystar:
The only Babayaro I know is Celestine..

coogar:
but SAF already said the substitutions were because rooney was poor. he said in his book there's no way in hell he would substitute a fit & firing rooney - and whoscored backed SAF up when they rated rooney the poorest outfield player against west ham.

sinizia:
Elamps, Rooney used his mouth to tell Neville that he doesn't mind playing in the midfield because he's been deployed there over the course of the years at Man Utd, he only hates the wing. So why are you trying to deny the truth here? The only reasonable fact up there is his "wing" position vs Madrid. The midfield excuse is a lie told by Rooney to deny the obvious fact that he wasn't favored like Persie again!! Rooney has been played in the midfield for over 8 seasons, why didn't he complain all those while?

coogar:
elampiro that lied bold-faced that rooney didn't score any goal in the first half of 12/13 season just to support his weak argument?

that boy needs deliverance.

coogar:
in one of those matches against reading, rooney played as a RW and he scored 2 goals. so tell me how any of elampiro's theories even has any credibility?

sinizia:
He's out of position in three matches only, something he's been doing for over 10 seasons, so sorry, i don't buy that excuse.

coogar:
so rooney scored 27 goals in one position in 11/12. he then scored 9 goals in the same position and he was angry? does that make any sense to you? why did rooney produce less goals in the same position where he scored 27 goals in the previous season?

you don't use logic in your argument.

sinizia:
Why has Elamps avoided this question for 3 times now?

coogar:
lies!
rooney is happy playing upfront cos RVP got injured & rooney became the main man again. that is his point!

sinizia:
So 5 different facts from 5 reputable sites are wrong?

Ok, Elamps, bring out 5 pictorial evidence from ANY site of your choice showing Rooney not playing 10 in that match. Oya, prove us wrong.

coogar:
if he played behind welbeck/chicha in 11/12, why was rooney angry to play there in 12/13?



lies!
rooney is happy playing upfront cos RVP got injured & rooney became the main man again. that is his point!

coogar:
maybe i am the owner of those sites.
one would show him factual evidence of formation and where passes were received & elampiro would quote the opinion of a journalist. on what planet is opinion more truthful than facts?

elampiro:
You are very wrong.

1. The interview you paraded was granted in October 2013 when Rooney was happy playing in his position under Moyes.

2. Rooney was playing in the number 10 behind RVP.

3. Asked about the difference in his form
from last season and now, Rooney said:
"Sometimes it happens. I didn't feel I
got a consistent run of games up front. I
actually felt when I played midfield I
did OK but I didn't want to play there.
I've had no problem in the past playing
out of position but I felt I deserved the
right to play in my position and that
wasn't happening.
"I think naturally I was a bit
disappointed and maybe that affected
some of the games I played. I can go
and play in midfield. Maybe when I'm
a bit older, losing my legs a bit, I can go
back there. I don't mean I only want to
play centre-forward but one of two [in
attack]."
He added: "David Moyes has come in
and he's playing me up front and I'm
enjoying it. I'm not saying I wouldn't
[drop back to midfield], for instance if
it was the last 10 or 15 minutes of a
game and we were holding on a bit. [If]
I got asked to drop to the left or drop in
to help see the game out. I'm not saying
I'd throw my arms up and not do it."


3a) In interview above, Rooney said he didnt feel he got consistent run of games up front in 2012/13. Rooney did not play number 9. So it meant he referred to number 10

3b) "David Moyes has come in and he he is playing me up front and I am happy ". Here Rooney said he was happy playing up front under Moyes. Rooney said this when he was playing number 10 behind Van Persie.








Cc Tess1, sinizia.

tess1:
This is from another site

sinizia:
So we should go for your memory over obtainable FACTS?

Coogar has posted 4 pictures and all showed Rooney behind the striker and not in the wing or DM. If Coogar is lying, are the various sites lying too?

coogar:
rooney played number 10 against west ham. the controversy that followed was because rooney wanted to play 4-4-2 alongside van persie instead of playing behind him. you think the opinion of a journalist who is obviously on rooney's payroll matter to me?

i have the facts that many UK journalists aren't even privy to. these were the passes rooney received against west ham - he was mostly in the central role. kagawa's received passes were geared towards the left channel. facts are different from opinions, my friend.

argue with opta images...

coogar:
UK, wytch farm.



and you cannot process that information that he meant 4-4-2 instead of a 4-2-3-1? are you being thick deliberately?

in 4-2-3-1 formation, there's only 1 upfront. in a 4-4-2, there are 2 positions upfront. if you are saying number 10 is upfront as number 9, what about the wingers?

aren't the wingers in the same zone as the number 10 hence 4-2-3-1? is number 10 more advanced in position than the wingers? haba, you are starting to make us question your educational background!

elampiro:
Although Rooney was not played in
midfield extensively, there appeared to
be no doubt in his mind this week that
playing there had had a direct impact
on his form. He was deployed on the
right of the three behind Robin van
Persie in United's Champions League
last 16 tie away to Real Madrid on 13
February, and famously left out for the
home return. Away at Stoke on 14 April
he was played as a central midfielder
and three days later, away to West
Ham, he found himself deployed on the
left of the attacking three. He was also
regularly substituted.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/wayne-rooney-reveals-midfield-role-at-manchester-united-was-root-cause-of-being-ready-to-quit-old-trafford-8869949.html

sinizia:
LOL. Elamps will never concede defeat in this argument.

First he said Rooney made a mistake mistaking upfront (10) for 9. He then backed it up with Gaal's English/amnesia.

Then he said Rooney played in Midfield against WH before "dashing" you the point.

Then he said a REPUTABLE newspaper's reporter misplaced Rooney's words even when Rooney never countered the guy. All i see are excuses but Elamps will never agree.


Rooney has been played out of position for countless seasons, earning him the title of being a "team player", even in Moyes' season, i remember 2 games he played as a DM. Now because of just because of 3 games out of position he wants out? Who's fooling who? We know the truth, just let the argument end, Elamps would never agree.

coogar:
so your english language told you number 10 is one of the centre forwards? rooney said i am not asking to play as a lone striker but as one of the 2 centre forwards?

do you have a problem with english language?

coogar:
lies!
no one sane enough would believe rooney - a granny shaggêr who isn't even faithful to his marital vows.

SAF was only talking about giggsy's penalty against fulham. RVP wasn't on the pitch & SAF was commenting on giggsy's goal that giggsy is one of the best penalty takers in the squad.



your lies keep expanding but i have found the more comprehensive interview.

rooney:


elampiro - i dare you to twist this interview that rooney meant he wanted to play in the hole. this is what happens when you don't give up on an argument you have lost - you push people into doing more research and airing you out.

the interview clearly means rooney wanted 4-4-2 formation like he did in 11/12 but SAF opted for 4-2-3-1 formation when RVP arrived. the hole is CAM(central attacking midfielder). 4-4-2 makes rooney a pure centre forward. if you dispute this once again then you should never be taken serious.

case dismissed!

coogar:
rooney is the one more likely to be saving face. SAF's interview was on the 28th of january. rooney came out 4 days later to say it was his decision to hand over the duties.

SAF has always been a ruthless manager - his records speak for itself. when rooney suggested united should sign ozil in 2010, SAF walked him out of his office immediately.

SAF was the one that took rooney off penalty duties. rooney does not have a say in such matters. the manager decides who takes penalties......just like LVG passed the baton from RVP to mata last season!



he brought a link that defeated his own argument. he said the writer assumed like us that rooney meant CF position when it should be in the hole.

his argument that rooney was taken out of his position didn't even hold up. rooney played 25 times out of the 27 league apps in the hole - so why was he angry if the hole was his preferred position?

elampiro loves distorting facts!