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coogar:
rooney is the one more likely to be saving face. SAF's interview was on the 28th of january. rooney came out 4 days later to say it was his decision to hand over the duties.

SAF has always been a ruthless manager - his records speak for itself. when rooney suggested united should sign ozil in 2010, SAF walked him out of his office immediately.

SAF was the one that took rooney off penalty duties. rooney does not have a say in such matters. the manager decides who takes penalties......just like LVG passed the baton from RVP to mata last season!



he brought a link that defeated his own argument. he said the writer assumed like us that rooney meant CF position when it should be in the hole.

his argument that rooney was taken out of his position didn't even hold up. rooney played 25 times out of the 27 league apps in the hole - so why was he angry if the hole was his preferred position?

elampiro loves distorting facts!

Rooney would have been surprised at Ferguson's claim. SAF was trying to take charge though. But Rooney came to clear the true situation. SAF didnt talk again and RVP never countered Rooney.

SAF was praising Giggs as the best and new penalty taker. But Rooney suggestion of RVP was eventually what SAF adopted.

coogar:
you are quoting wayne rooney who lies for africa about every situation. how charitable is rooney to ask that RVP should start taking penalties? a greedy bastard that held the club to ransom twice over pay increase.

you can be fooled by rooney, i cannot. this was how SAF told the story.....




believe rooney at your own peril....

This reminds me of something. I made a suggestion about something to my Area Manager. He was so happy that the solution I proffered was good for the problem we were trying to resolve. He said I should accompany him to the Regional Director to announce we had got a good solution.

Throughout the discussion, excitement and application my area manager never mentioned it was my idea. But I couldn't talk.

On our way back he said to me. "You see how pleased the Regional Director was, he will have a regard for our Area." I said sir, he will have a high regard for you. Sensing that I felt some how he shone with my innovation without ascribing it to me, he said l am learning about Management. That in Management the boss takes the credit or blame for everything under him. That all the subordinate should hope for is for his immediate supervisor to know his worth. He said he too, his Superiors make his ideas their own and he understands.

I just responded, "yes sir".

..................






What am I saying? SAF was only talking like someone in charge. You wanted SAF to admit he adopted a player's idea ? That players now dictate to him? Then why is he the coach? World most respected coach.

tess1:
You are the only one being illogical. You can twist it whichever way you like. I've established all that i need to establish and it is clear to everybody now because that wasn't the first time Rooney was being used out of position consecutively.

If you like increase it to 7 games, i am done with this.

Rooney is number 10. That's where he likes to play and didnt want to share it with anyone. Even Andy Cole said Rooney likes playing behind another striker in a tadem.

SAF said Rooney likes to play number 10 and that was Kagawa best position too. So he may have to rotate them.

Rooney himself said he has always played behind a striker.














Crystal clear.
Have a nice day.

Wayne Rooney hands over penalty-taking duties to Manchester United team - mate Robin van Persie

Wayne Rooney has relinquished penalty-
taking duties at Manchester United after
urging Sir Alex Ferguson to hand the
responsibility to Robin van Persie.

Rooney , who faces Fulham at Craven Cottage on
Saturday evening having scored nine goals in his
last nine appearances for United, was criticised
by Ferguson after missing from the penalty spot
for the second time this season during the FA
Cup third-round replay against West Ham last
month.

“To be honest, it was my choice,” Rooney said. “It
wasn’t good enough. I went in to speak with the
manager and said I’d spoken with Robin and told
him he could take them. At a club like this, to
miss two penalties like I did and not hit the
target, it wasn’t good enough.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/9843372/Wayne-Rooney-hands-over-penalty-taking-duties-to-Manchester-United-team-mate-Robin-van-Persie.html



Coogar, why do you dislike Wayne Rooney so much that you twists facts to disfavour him?

Rooney and Van Persie both said they are very good friends off and on the pitch. Van Persie said he came to United partly cos of Rooney. They defend each other in the press. Yet you and your cohort tell lies Rooney wanted to play 9.Why then did he not play 9 or even co-striker for Moyes? He even played the number 10 behind Welbeck and Chicharito under Moyes.

This is the end of this argument.

coogar:
his unhappiness was tied to number-9. the arrival of van persie demoted rooney. everything was taken away from rooney - including his penalty duties. van persie kept scoring, rooney's standard awoof goals from the penalty spot suddenly disappeared.



rooney didn't have a good season.
if he did, he wouldn't have asked to leave the club. towards the end, he fell out of favour with SAF & he was chopping bench regularly. his importance & influence in the team diminished drastically.



all that didn't matter to SAF!
he wasn't going to be fooled again by rooney's form that comes in patches. rooney can score 20 goals in 10 games and then go dry for another 30 games......that was what lost us the title in the previous season.

rooney wasn't performing enough & SAF quickly addressed the matter before we lose ground to the teams chasing us. if we didn't sign van persie, rooney wouldn't have been taken off against west ham. RVP signing meant we didn't overdepend on rooney like it used to be.

You are funny. How can you say someone who scored 27 goals lost us the title in 2011/12? You have taken your hatred towards Rooney to a new height. Rooney was highest scorer in the league per minutes played.

We lost the titles in 2010 and 2012 basically due to injuries together with :

SAF joked with some matches. In 2012 he benched Rooney against Blackburn. He tested Scholes against Wigan /Newcastle. In 2010 He benched Nani and Carrick against Chelsea with Bayern Munich in sight. A league decisive game with few matches to end the season. A win for United would have ended the season.
All I know is Rooney had a good season in 2012/13 considering he rose up to the challenge to carry the team when RVP went 10 or more matches without scoring. That was when we went on a huge gap at the top over City and set the stage for unassailable lead.

coogar:
we will get to that later.....



he was angry at his own performance & the humiliation of being pulled off in a game where he performed poorly in the hole! according to whoscored, rooney was the poorest outfield player on the night & he was deservedly removed.



madrid was a different proposition to the weak teams rooney had played against. it's not the first time SAF would adjust his teams to nullify the threat of his opponents.




rooney was threatened he was no longer the main man @man utd. a JJC dethroned him & it was van persie that was getting all the accolades.

9 substitutions are as a result of rooney's poor performance. sir alex said it himself that there's no way he could never put a fit & firing rooney on the bench.

You are pointing to the fact that he unhappiness was not tied to the number 9 position Van Persie was playing.

However Rooney had a good season, SAF had a massive squad and was determine to make everyone happy. Then Rooney had to go on subb and position rotation with Kagawa, Welbeck and Giggs.

This was despite Rooney having a good time in the hole at the time. He even finished with best assists record per minutes played in EPL that season.

coogar:
you are the only one that saw rooney deep in the midfield. whoscored, premier league official website & transfermarkt saw rooney in the hole.

what's your excuse now?
united played 4-2-3-1. don't use cheap excuses to explain rooney's shambolic performance at upton park. he was very poor on the night while playing in the hole.

Let me just dash you this one. It doesn't remove the fact that out of about 9 consecutive matches SAF used Rooney out of position 4 or 5 times. Dropped him to the bench once and substituted him severally . Just because Rooney's body language was negative in Madrid.

This was just after Rooney had scored 11 goals in 12 games from his natural position behind the striker. Not to mention assists.

This has nothing to do with Van Persie.

tess1:
I asked you about EPL games only but if you are including UCL then we should be talking about larger than 22 starts that i stated.

Let's even accept that it's three games which i have my doubts about. You are now telling me that Rooney turned into a cry baby because of being used out of your supposed no 10 in just three games out 22 starts?

As at 2012/13, Rooney have spent about 9years at Man Utd. Was that the first time he has been used out of position in three or more games?

The fact has been established with these that it was top striker position that Rooney was talking about because he played the number 10 position mostly in that season.

There was rarely a game that both Kagawa and Rooney played that Rooney was sacrificed for Kagawa in the no 10 position. Kagawa was the one sacrificed unless Rooney played up top.

Rooney have been used out of position in his Man Utd appearances for more than three times in the past for him to then complain about mere three games.

There is no need for any more argument about this because it has now been confirmed that Rooney was referring to the no 9 position as the upfront in his statement.

Be logical. Stop mentioning 22 games which spanned across 9 months.

We are talking about Rooney being played out of position in 5 out of 9 consecutive matches. From Madrid game to Villa game.

Same time SAF said Rooney and Kagawa might be rotated in the number 10. Rooney was having his best time in number 10 when suddenly SAF had to use him for defensive duties while Kagawa played number 10.

Kagawa was number 10 in Madrid. Same against Villa,

There were also substitutions. It had nothing to do with RVP.

5 quick matches, yes.
So Rooney should go play left back because he earns 250k?

coogar:
madrid aren't a premier league side. rooney played 25 out of his 27 league games in the hole. the other 2 games were against stoke & villa. rooney played in the hole against west ham.



5 quick matches? a player who at that time was earning £250k per week? you & rooney aren't serious!



you like confusing yourself.
speculation of rooney moving to PSG in this match was because SAF took rooney off & rooney wasn't happy about the sub. rooney played in the hole.....

jones & carrick started the game, so where did rooney play? maybe jones or carrick were in the hole and rooney replaced one of them in the central midfield? abeg, stop arguing. all the passes rooney received that day is here with me & he was in the hole.

I dont trust your opta charts.

Now are you saying he a was angry because he was subbed not because of number 9? We are getting there.

Rooney played in the wing in Madrid and CM at OT. Was enough to get him angry. At same time he was prolific from the hole.

Same period he was used in two or three league games in the midfield. These coupled with nine substitutions were enough for Rooney to ask questions. It has nothing to do with Van Persie.

coogar:
the writer assumed?
rooney played out of position twice to help the team & you think that was reason enough for him to want to quit man utd? come on now, how does any of that make any sense?

i have analysed game to game what happened after the madrid games. if anything, it was the loss against city that made SAF rejig the team. RVP was also played out of position against stoke. why didn't he want out of the club?

Not twice.

Stoke
West Ham
Madrid home and away
VILLA.

5 quick matches. When he was having a good time in the number 10 scoring freely, 11 goals in 12 matches. SAF liked to sacrifice Rooney. He like utilising his energy.

Sir Alex Ferguson: Wayne
Rooney will not leave
Manchester United for Paris
Saint Germain


Rooney was deployed in a deep-lying role at West
Ham, but Ferguson has stressed he has no set
plans for this position in future.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/10005355/Sir-Alex-Ferguson-Wayne-Rooney-will-not-leave-Manchester-United-for-Paris-Saint-Germain.html

This is the West Ham match. I remember people said Rooney didnt do well in midfield for the first time.

coogar:
i doubt you read the article you quoted. the evidence is right there & yet you failed to see it. rooney wanted the CF position, not the hole position.



it was van persie's arrival that led to rooney being played out of position. this was what we were telling you earlier in the day & you refused to listen.



van persie's arrival threatened rooney. he felt he was undervalued & mistreated cos he was the one being asked to help in the midfield. in a nutshell, if we didn't sign RVP that summer, rooney would never have been asked to play in the midfield.


guardian sports is practically rehashing all what we told you in the afternoon.

I read the article. Rooney was talking about midfield. He never mentioned CF. The writer assumed like you guys.
Some writers think Rooney as second striker to RVP.

Rooney position has always been number 10. RVP never conflicted Rooney. He said he was happy playing in number 10 behind Moyes.

^^^

It's clear here.

He even gave this interview when he was playing number for Moyes behind Van Persie.

Wayne Rooney: midfield
role made player want to
leave Manchester Utd

Manchester United player 'happy'
and 'settled' under Moyes
'I got told to play in midfield and I
didn't want to'

Thursday 10 October 2013 11.42 BST
Wayne Rooney has spoken publicly for
the first time about his reasons for
wanting to leave Manchester United and
blamed his disillusionment on Sir Alex
Ferguson playing him out of position
after the signing of Robin van Persie.
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Rooney described himself as "happy"
and "settled" at Old Trafford now David
Moyes is in charge but the England
striker notably stopped short when
asked to clarify whether that meant he
wanted to stay in Manchester or if he
would renew his attempts to leave next
summer. Choosing his words carefully,
all Rooney would say on the subject was
there would be more discussions behind
the scenes.
The England striker, preparing for the
World Cup qualifiers against
Montenegro and Poland, went on to
offer his backing to Roy Hodgson in the
wake of Harry Redknapp's comments
that he would not trust the "clueless"
Football Association "to show him a
good manager if their lives depended on
it". Despite admitting he initially wanted
Redknapp to get the job, Rooney says
Hodgson has turned out to be the
England manager he has enjoyed
playing for the most, and that the FA
made "the right decision" choosing him
ahead of Redknapp.
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However, it is his relationship with
Ferguson that provides the backdrop to
Rooney's explanation about the chain of
events that led to him trying to engineer
a move to Chelsea in the summer. He
does not mention the former United
manager once by name. Yet, in another
sense, Ferguson is implicated in
everything as the picture emerges of a
player who had started to feel
undervalued and mistreated after Van
Persie's arrival from Arsenal.
Asked whether he had raised his
concerns with the relevant people at Old
Trafford, Rooney opened his arms to
show his exasperation and smiled
knowingly. "Yeah, and …" That was the
meeting at which he apparently told
Ferguson he might leave and an already
strained relationship was fractured.
Ferguson dropped Rooney from his team
and, to the player's dismay, publicised
what had been said during a live
television interview, describing it as a
verbal transfer request.
Rooney's account is that, after nearly a
decade at the club, he felt he had done
enough to warrant a place in "my
position"
and was fed up of being told to help out
in midfield. "Everyone at the club knew
where I wanted to play and I think
that's why I was disappointed. I got told
to play in midfield and I didn't want to.
I just think there had to come a point
when, for my own career, I had to be a
bit selfish really."
This goes back to last spring, not long
after he had been left out of United's
starting XI to face Real Madrid in the
second leg of their Champions League
quarter-final. "I actually felt when I
played in midfield I did OK, but I didn't
want to play there. I've had no problem
in the past playing out of position. But I
felt I deserved the right to play in my
position and that wasn't happening.
"I think, naturally, I was a bit
disappointed and maybe that affected
some of the games I played. I know
myself that last year wasn't my best
season but there were times when I was
playing in different positions. I didn't
feel I got a consistent run of games up
front. Sometimes when you're not
playing in one position all the time it's
difficult to adapt."

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/oct/09/wayne-rooney-reasons-leave-manchester-united

coogar:
how were the games rapid? the first madrid game was feb 13....our next game after that was against QPR(feb 23), rooney was even a 62nd minute substitute for hernandez. that's 10 days after madrid game & rooney didn't start the game - that is rapid to you?

the next game after QPR was against norwich(march 2) & rooney was in the hole. that was the match kagawa bagged his hatrick & rooney scored the 4th goal. which of these events made rooney angry at playing for united?




you should be knackered - the facts don't back your assertion. this was never about rooney playing in the hole, his anger was that he wasn't playing as the lead striker. he played a lot of games in the hole after the madrid games.



alan shearer is an ïdiot!
i dunno why you pay attention to folks like that. even in his constituency, he isn't rated. what does shearer know about football?

You dont understand. The games were very close. If Rooney had played one midfield game in August, one in November, one in February and another in April. He wouldnt feel bitter.

But he played in number 10 all season and he suddenly got 5 matches off position out of about 8/9 matches.

Tomorrow I will try to get that West Ham match.

coogar:
the games were not rapid. we played madrid on the 5th of march @OT! rooney was a sub & asking to him play in the midfield in a 10-man team shouldn't be a big ask.

we didn't play any game after madrid until the 16th of march when we beat reading. rooney played in the hole & scored the only goal in the game.

there was another 2 weeks break & we didn't play any game until the 30th of march when we played sunderland @the stadium of light. rooney didn't even make the travelling squad for that game.

after that game, we faced city 8 days later on a monday night at OT! rooney played in the hole and we lost the game via ryan giggs error. i hope you are following the event bit by bit.

after the city loss which was disappointing, we faced stoke away from home. rooney started in the midfield in this game alongside carrick. the first time he would play there in the entire period you quoted.

after the stoke game, we played west ham @upton park. kagawa was on the left & rooney was in the hole. game ended 2-2 with kagawa supplying an assist from a wide area.

the next game was against aston villa....the day we won the league. rooney played in the midfield yet again with kagawa taking the hole position & giggs operating from the left.
__________

in a nutshell, rooney was played out of position only twice in that long period. if that was his reason to throw temper tantrums then he deserved to have been sold.

van persie played out of position against stoke too to make way for hernandez, why didn't he cry to the media that he wanted out?

How can you say the games were not rapid? From Madrid away game he played about four matches to the day we won the league against Villa. Considering the tension SAF compounded it jor.

I am tired now.

After West Ham game, Alan Shearer said Rooney might leave Man United. That if he were the one he would ask questions.

^^^

The figures on the right side were goals Rooney scored in the matches. He was enjoying himself in the hole and he was asked to go play where he would help defence. Haba!

See Rooney 11 goals from 12 games from the hole before Madrid's game. People were singing his praise that period, then all of a sudden he had to be sacrificed again.

If na you e no go pain you?

Coogar Rooney was in midfield against West Ham. Not in the hole.

coogar:
why do you do this all the time? colour the facts to suit your own argument. who told you rooney played out of position between madrid game(march 5, 2013) and the 3-0 win against villa(april 22, 2013) @OT!

•rooney was in the hole against reading(march 16, 2013) when we tonked them 1-0 at old trafford.

•rooney was in the hole against man city(april 8, 2013)when we lost 1-2 at OT.

•rooney was in the hole against west ham(april 17, 2013) when we drew 2-2 @upton park

so going by your logic, how can rooney not be satisfied when around 90% of his league games that season was in the hole?

I disputing this. What I meant is that the games were too rapid. Came too quickly within a short time. I am sure he only played in the hole before that period.

tess1:
Where did i argue with you that he wasn't given defensive duties to do against Madrid?

My argument with you was that Rooney was ready to go because he wasn't up top as the top striker, but you said it wasn't so that it was because of the Madrid match.

I didn't quite agree with you on that because Rooney simply stated that he wanted to leave because he wasn't played upfront which i believe was the top strike position. But you as usual said what Rooney meant by upfront was the no 10 position. You also said he was played at a couple of other positions in the team.

The fact is that Rooney started 22 games in the league that season (2012/13)

Facts also are that Rooney played between 19 and 20 games behind RVP as a lone striker or behind two strikers in 4 4 2 diamond formation or behind Chicha/Welbz. Facts are that Rooney played mostly behind any striker we used in that season.

How then will Rooney who played mostly behind the striker be referring to the same position he was complaining of as upfront?

What i want from you.

If you are still saying that Rooney meant no 10 as his upfront, then let us know how many games Rooney played in other positions different from the no 10 position.

Also let us know those matches he played in those different matches.

Let's see if those matches will be sufficient enough for you to be referred to as the position he was talking about.

You have refused to pay attention to details. I have said this over several months here. Rooney played out of position in quick succession from the Madrid game to the day we won the league against Villa. If the matches were spread across the season, he wouldn't have felt bad.

It happened from Madrid game and coincided with when SAF said he might have to rotate Kagawa and Rooney in number 10.

It happened that Rooney was playing some of his best football in the hole before Madrid game. Then SAF came under pressure when people said Kagawa was having a poor season due to his wing role.

kingthreat:
The coup that brought Buhari and Abacha to power was an easy coup as they were plotted against civilian regimes and succeeded.
When it comes to strategy and Bravery, lets give it up to these men

Yakubu Gowon
Murtala Muhammed
Ibrahim Babangida.

These are men of sterner stuff.

[/quote]I am not sure you are up to 30 or read much about coup history.

Abacha and Babangida have been involved in all the successful coups in Nigerian history. Abacha is however the most successful coup plotter in history of Nigeria. Abacha was the one who didn't allow Babangida to hand over to civilian govt when he warned blood will be shed. IBB had to announce his hands were tied.




............

Military career
Abacha was commissioned in 1963 after he
had attended Mons Officer Cadet School in
Aldershot , England . Before then, he had
attended the Nigerian Military Training College
in Kaduna. Refusing to accept a single political
appointment throughout his military career,
Abacha has been described as the epitome of
military discipline.
Abacha's military career is distinguished by a
string of successful coups. He is by some
records the most successful coup plotter in the
history of Nigeria's military. He took part in
the countercoup of July 1966, from the
conceptual stage, and may have been a
participant in the Lagos or Abeokuta phases of
the January 1966 coup. He was also a
prominent figure in every single successful
coup in Nigerian history, two of which brought
and removed General Muhammadu Buhari
from power in 1983. When General Ibrahim
Babangida was named President and
Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of
the Federal Republic of Nigeria in 1985,
Abacha was named Chief of Army Staff. He
was appointed Minister of Defence in 1990. [3]
[4]
In 1990, Abacha became the first Nigerian
soldier to attain the rank of a full General
without skipping a single rank. On 17
November 1993, Abacha overthrew the short-
lived transitional government of Chief Ernest
Shonekan . In September 1994, he issued a
decree that placed his government above the
jurisdiction of the courts, effectively giving him
absolute power. Another decree gave him the
right to detain anyone for up to three months
without trial. [5] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sani_Abacha

sinizia:
that matter don end. let's move forward.

which of our signings are you more elated in?

All of them.

scheneidelin (pardon d spelling if wrong) . Might just be that we have another Hargreaves or something like that. We need some physical presence to blend our midfield.

Schweinsteiger = the image, his calibre, his experience.

Depay, free scoring winger. Dribbler.

Darmian, a natural right back.

sinizia:
list out the matches Rooney played another position apart from 10. It's time to end this argument.

How many times will I list them?

tess1:
I Thought you were saying he was given some defensive duties to do.

If you are claiming Rooney was referring to number 10 as his upfront. Can you tell us how many games Rooney started in that season and how many of those games was he played away from the number 10? Let us know how many games he played in each of other positions he was played.

By my own reckoning, SAF played mostly 4 2 3 1 with Rooney playing mostly in the middle of the 3 which you refer to as number 10. How many times was he played away from that position for him to be complaining to the extent that he said he wanted to leave?

Rooney was given defensive duty in Madrid. You seem to be the only one who didnt know this. He was asked to assist Rafael on the right back from his wing position. Kagawa played Rooney's position in Madrid. This was why Rooney was unhappy. But SAF felt he should have understood the tactics and plan. Unfortunately, it got to a time Rooney didnt want to understand.

After the Madrid game, SAF said Rooney's preferred position is number 10, but he might have to rotate him and Kagawa there. SAF subsequently played in Rooney in centre midfield against Stoke, West Ham and Aston Villa.

coogar:
upfront is not number-10, oga!
rooney wanted the number-9 position. he wanted to score more goals thus using the phrase "i had to be selfish". how can he be selfish in the hole when players in the hole are basically used as providers?

stop trolling, abeg....

Look at United official website described the number 10 as upfront in a 3-4-1-2 formation.
..........



Van Gaal tried some of his squad members in
new positions on the pre-season tour of the
United States. Ashley Young was deployed as
a wing-back, Wilfried Zaha played up front
and Kagawa adopted a holding midfield role.
"It has been seven or eight years since I
played as a defensive midfielder, but the
important thing is I do my best in whatever
position I am asked to play in," Kagawa said.
"I have to achieve results wherever I play.

http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-Features/Football-News/2014/Aug/shinji-kagawa-and-manchester-united-will-use-last-season-as-trigger.aspx

sinizia:
he doesn't have to say he's sad na, his actions and inactions proved so. haba Elamps. if Rooney was happy, would he have submitted a transfer request?

He was unhappy about the number 10 not number 9.

He gladly played the number 10 for Moyes when Moyes took over. Dont tell me about contact renewal because Rooney played 10 for Moyes in 2013 before his contract was renewed in 2014.

sinizia:
but you know before the madrid saga, Rooney had been sad that VP was stealing his shine? one match is not enough for Rooney to start acting selfish.

Quote when Rooney said he was sad with Van Persie.

AdeLaNa1:
I'm not here to debate the Rooney BS again. The 4-4-1-1 is understandable but how anyone thinks 4-2-3-1 is a 4-4-2 variant is ridiculous

I didnt mention Rooney in that response.

If you have agreed 4-4-1-1 is not much different from 4-4-2, then you are already agreeing with me.
..........

4–4–1–1
A variation of 4–4–2 with one of the strikers
playing "in the hole", or as a "second striker",
slightly behind their partner. [13] The second
striker is generally a more creative player, the
playmaker, who can drop into midfield to pick
up the ball before running with it or passing to
team-mates. [13] Interpretations of 4–4–1–1
can be slightly muddled, as some might say
that the extent to which a forward has
dropped off and separated himself from the
other can be debated. The system was most
prominently used during the 2009–10 season
by Fulham F.C , with midfielder Zoltan Gera
playing behind forward Bobby Zamora as they
upset many teams across Europe on their way
to the 2010 UEFA Europa League Fina


.........

4–2–3–1
This formation is widely used by Spanish,
French and German sides. While it seems
defensive to the eye, it is quite a flexible
formation, as both the wide players and the
full-backs join the attack. In defense, this
formation is similar to either the 4–5–1 or 4–
4–1–1. It is used to maintain possession of
the ball and stopping opponent attacks by
controlling the midfield area of the field. The
lone striker may be very tall and strong to hold
the ball up as his midfielders and full-backs
join him in attack. The striker could also be
very fast. In these cases, the opponent's
defense will be forced to fall back early,
thereby leaving space for the offensive central
midfielder. This formation is used especially
when a playmaker is to be highlighted. The
variations of personnel used on the flanks in
this set-up include using traditional wingers,
using inverted wingers or simply using wide
midfielders

sinizia:
You still didn't answer my question though. So Rooney's jealousy was towards Kagawa and not VP who stole his shine? Or you mean Kagawa was the favorite player in SAF's last season for Man Utd?

Forget that question is first. I have proven that number 10 is upfront.

Rooney didnt want to play in the wing with some defensive duties while Kagawa plays where he has played generally for United. That was what happened in Madrid.