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StarBoard:
as long as players are not carrying cement in training (apology to raumdeuter) united players are lazy.
Fergie doesnt need that to produce winners but woe betide you if you missed or came late to the supposed lazy training.

parrotibaba:
Elampiro we hv been dominated by small teams in d past n still win in d end or salvage a last gasp draw ,we hv won matches with 1-0 ,2-1 deficits in d past ,we hv been trashed in d past ,u think say na today de start to d thrash us? in '09 a certain Fulham thrashed us 3-0 ,in '06 we were trailing Blackburn 4-0 b4 ruud scored a hat trick ...were we lazy den? or u just want to start another baseless argument?

tess1:
How many players retired? As far as i know it's only Scholes that retired then. Giggs was still a player-assistant coach. Vidic and Evra moved for their personal reasons.
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tess1:
I can even tell you that the whole team was over-trained by Moyes and this affected a lot of younger players.

StarBoard:
megedefegede
answer me directly.
how many players did jose meet in his secondstint from his original squad?
the same players you mentioned couldnt stop united and its lazy players from dominating the local scene.

And who are the players going into early retirement?

youre not making any sense to this. You're just yarning for the sake of it.


please tell us how lazy players won nearly a half-dozen league titles in 7 years and stop rigmarolling.

tess1:
Changing of assistant coach doesn't necessarily means that SAF will then will change his training system/methods. The new assistant coach will still have to plan his coaching sessions according to the cub's established standards.

Not dominating games wasn't training method's problem. Rather, it was a personnel problem. It was the usual midfield problem that's still affecting the club till today. The players who were supposed to take over from Scholes didn't live up to expectations.

I could remember at the start of the 2010/11 season when Ando and Cleverly were on fire before they faced some injury crises, this issue of not dominating wasn't there.

StarBoard:
We've had 3 managers since Fergie left.
Isnt it obvious that players come and go but the club remains?

How many players did Jose Mourinho meet from his first stint when he returned to the club?


you claimed Juventus got to the final of the ucl by training very hard. (I dont know of any club in Europe that has soft training sessions) and wrote us off by proclaiming us lazy.

if you cannot answer why a club won the league easily despite your assertion that they were being pampered and spoiled then you have nothing to say im sorry.

tess1:
Different coaches with different training system/methods. As far as i understand, no coach will ever drop his training standard because that is a recipe for failure. So also, no coach will condone laziness by any of his players.

Why will a coach change training system/methods that is giving him results? There can only be modifications here and there.

It is only normal for a new coach to change what he met at a club if it doesn't align with his own training methods and that doesn't mean the previous coach's method was not up to standard.

Winning some games by 1 goal margin doesn't mean the team was lazy. Man Utd are used to winning that way. What about Chelsea winning this season with about eleven games with one goal margin? Does that mean they too are lazy?

StarBoard:
copy and paste in effect but I digress.

still waiting for the answer to my question: how did a lazy weak team win the league by 13 points in 2013?

StarBoard:
10th game of the season and Fergie needs a result?

please you are just typing.

I wrote that post in the context of winning the title as regards the closing fixtures in 2012/13.if you dont get the point then there is no need to extend the argument. You still are yet to convince me how our side was in decline during Fergie s final seasons despite having backroom staff that encouraged laziness.

2011/12 vs Chelsea we scored 6 goals over two ties. how is that luck?

I dont have coogar's type of patience or time to be drawing out arguments for the sake of it.

please prove how laziness on the part of Fergies backroom staff in his last seasons made us less succesful. No need for gerrymandering and roundabouting abeg.

StarBoard:
Fergie was always present during trainings. he may not have coordinated them but he oversaw them.
I do not want to believe Fergie would tolerate laziness by any standards. Fergie is known to drop or even sell players based on his percieved view of their commitment to the club in terms of their desire and ambition. how then would someone who is known for that during his entire career tolerate a dip in standards?

the free hands he gave were to his assistants.

StarBoard:
we could afford to lose to City at oldvtrafford because before kick off we were 12 clear with about 7 games to go.
we lost to chelsea at home after the league had been sewn up and fergie was in retirement mode.

trust me if Fergie needed a result against any of the two sides at OT he would get them.

Furthermore we won the league in 2012/13,Fergies last season with United.
2011/12 we finished second on goal difference behind City.
2009/10 we finished behind Chelsea by just a point.
check your facts on the emboldened.

BOTTOMLINE we beat both chelsea and city AWAY in his last season and won the league with nearly a month to go before seasons ending.Add Liverpool to that list and you realize that that side was hardly lazy. 3 points is what matters inbthe end. you should know by now that there are no prizes for playing good football.

StarBoard:
hernandez was looking to be picked up on a permanent basis by Real.
Hernandez face has nothing to do with anything. He has always had the quickness. he was always being brought in as a sub. Fergie tried to use him as an impact sub in the ole solksjaer mode but he got tired of that role.

are you also implying that Real are using drill style as well?
bro drop this argument. you don't have enough evidence to reach the conclusion you are standing upon

StarBoard:
you haven't answered my question. And even if (2) were true, how did a lazy team beat chelsea, city and liverpool AWAY before December in 2012/13? forget your theory of slim wins.

coogar:
we had a better team!
they had the better individual players. yorke & cole was the best strike partnership on the planet & it was a hard grind.

funny how the same SAF that took juventus apart is the same SAF you are now blaming for keeping lazy players. you really need to learn how to articulate your points.

we are no longer what we used to be because of the overall quality of the current team. only our goalie can be rated world class. there are at least 7 players in the world better than whoever we parade in all the other 10 positions in the team.

so who are we fooling?

coogar:
barca have the better players....
nothing to do with rigorous training. you cannot overtrain players & you cannot undertrain them. even with rafael's beastly training, he injures himself in every game.

coogar:
oh please, shut it!
every player trains.....they do that everyday minus match days. we were awful in europe because there were better teams than us. it's got nothing to do with SAF's training methods.

united played UCL final in 08, 09 & 11 with SAF. if rafael didn't see red in 2010, we would have also made the final that year. how was SAF able to achieve all these if his training method was poor? do you just talk out of your arsë because of an irrelevant article?

coogar:
anyone that prefers power to skill does not understand modern football. if elampawa is man utd's manager, you already know the kinda players he would sign.

StarBoard:
more unfounded stuff.

if those players were lazy as you implied, how then did they amass so much success?
answer on a postcard pls.

unless you started supporting united overnight you would know that players have ALWAYS been linked to United since the Bosman era.Most of them unfounded and aroused by media hype to sell papers.

StarBoard:
and how is that linked to training styles?

if you cannot provide credible evidence that mourinho used military style training methods, you do not know what you are saying.

raumdeuter:
Elampiro idea of training camp is carrying cement

coogar:
supposed to?
how?

StarBoard:
really?
in Fergie's last season what was the points margin we used to win the league?
Didn't we win at Anfield, Etihad and Stamford bridhe that year?
if Nani didnt get sent off vs Real we could have progressed further in Europe.
please stop creating an argument where there is none.

SIRcumalot:
@Elampiro
It common sense for us not to quickly tire our players out with too much physical training if you consider the pace at which the EPL is played compared to that of the Serie A

coogar:
the difference would be between smalling's average in the other games he played AND the one where he bagged the red.

coogar:
i shouldn't be doing your job for you.
you know those games - add up his league games and the FA cup.
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coogar:
where did welbeck play as a CF? did he use the help of a strike partner in any of the games he started as a 9? if rooney & hernandez started upfront together, which of them is the 9?

coogar:
he was sent off!
he got 2 yellows & a red. it would be treated as 3 different offences, the red would have a bigger impact on his numbers.
the difference would be between smalling's average in the other games he played AND the one where he bagged the red.