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SIRcumalot:
Those clubs can't afford the salaries demands of nani and RVP so a major part of their would be transfer is devoted to paying their salaries which is why transfer fees for both 'em low die.

More like we are doing it for the players. If that is the case, it's welcome.

Deleted.

Are we using our transfer out as 'sadaqah ' to other clubs?

It looks like it's about time the club hired another person to handle transfer of players going out.

I thought Moyes gave a five years contract to Nani recently? So why should we sell him for £3.5m? This is almsgiving to Fernerbachie. Even Van Persie is coming cheap for them. If they wanted to buy Cavani, will they be paying peanuts?

chamotex:
Where is elampiro?

Ukwu!!!

chrisley024:
Man Utd agree Darmian terms
--Skysports

I heard Torino wished him good luck at Man United. But what they screen shot was in Italian. Also he has bid his teammates good bye according to another screen shot in Italian.

StarBoard:
Maybe you need to go and upgrade your 3rd class degree.

I'm ashamed to be an alumnus from the same university as you.

You an irretreivable dullard if you are bringing Kanu, Emenike, Katongo and whoever you are mentioning in a debate along with Messi, Maradona and Pele.

Let the insults begin.

Bro, I dont think it calls for a fight. The arguments have been very civil.

JustKay3:
@elampiro.

Why will you even compare Lineker/Shearer to Scholes/Gascoigne.??No ruin this debate abeg

So someone who came second in Ballon d'or and was world cup top scorer shouldnt be considered ? Gary Lineker England squad was the closest coming to making England proud again.

1986 world cup he was top scorer with 6 goals despite booted out of the cup by Maradona in the quarter final. It was Maradona 2 goals Lineker 1 goal.

1990 he helped England to Semi Final after scoring 4 goals when the English team had narrow victories. He equalized West Germany in the semi when he escaped from two defenders to take the game to penalties. This was a tournament they said he was unwell.

See this again on top of being top scorer in top league three previous times :
He was the top division's second-highest
goalscorer in 1991–92 with 28 goals from 35
games, behind Ian Wright , who scored 29
times in 42 games. Despite Lineker's personal
performance, Tottenham finished this final pre-
Premier League season in 15th place.

perhaps if he had agreed to sign for Ferguson in 1989 he would have played a little longer and won more titles. But his individual achievement on the field is highly respectable.

I MAY BE WRONG BUT I THINK HE IS AN UNSONG GREAT.

raumdeuter:
There were many players who are better than Lineker and Shearer in their time. Shearer was basically a local champion and extremely overrated by the English media. His greatest weapon was headers just like Andy Carrol and He was even an inferior version of Oliver Bierrhoff who the Germans dont even rate very high

But Scholes and Gazzza I see players who had natural skill that can stand their peers in other countries of Europe. Its because of Scholes quiet nature and Gazza bad boy image that made them not media favourite

Scholes is a player I wish played for Bayern in his prime

I was not satisfied so I said let me just check. I believe Lineker was greater than Scholes. He scored against big teams in the world cup. Argentina, Germany.

Individual
English Second Division Top Scorer: 1982–
83 [47]
English First Division Top Scorer: 1984–85 ,
1985–86 , 1989–90
PFA Players' Player of the Year: 1985–86
FWA Footballer of the Year: 1985–86 ,
1991–92
FIFA World Cup Golden Boot : 1986
FIFA World Cup All-Star Team : 1986
Onze de Bronze : 1986
Ballon d'Or (Runner-up): 1986
FIFA Fair Play Award: 1990
FIFA World Player of the Year: Bronze award
1991 [48]
FIFA 100

Gary Winston Lineker, OBE (born 30 November
1960) is an English former footballer and
current sports broadcaster . He holds England 's
record for goals in FIFA World Cup finals, with
10 scored.


Lineker began his football career at Leicester
City. Despite failing to score in his first ten
games, he finished as the First Division's joint
top goalscorer in 1984–85. He then moved to
League Champions Everton where he
developed as a clinical finisher, scoring 30
goals in 41 games. His first team honours
came at Barcelona, where he won the Copa del
Rey in 1988 and the European Cup Winners'
Cup in 1989. He returned to England in 1989,
joining Tottenham Hotspur , and over three
seasons he scored 67 goals in 105 games and
won the FA Cup. Lineker's final club was
Nagoya Grampus Eight and he retired in 1994
after two seasons at the Japanese side.
Lineker made his England debut in 1984,
earning 80 caps and scoring 48 goals over an
eight-year international career, finishing as
England's all-time second highest scorer
behind Bobby Charlton . His international goals-
to-games ratio remains one of the best for the
country and he is regarded as one of the all-
time best English strikers. He was top scorer
in the 1986 World Cup and received the Golden
Boot , the only time an Englishman has
achieved this feat. He is also the only player
to have won the English golden boot with three
different clubs (Leicester City, Everton and
Tottenham Hotspur).
Even though he enjoyed a long career, Lineker
was never cautioned by a referee for foul play
and never received a yellow or red card . [1][2]
As a result of this accomplishment he was
honoured in 1990 with the FIFA Fair Play
Award.

Barcelona
After winning the Golden Boot at the 1986
World Cup in Mexico, Lineker was signed by
Barcelona for £2,800,000. Barcelona were
being managed by former Queens Park
Rangers manager Terry Venables, who had
also brought in Manchester United and Wales
striker Mark Hughes .
His Golden Boot-winning performance at the
finals led to much anticipation of success at
the Camp Nou, and he did not disappoint,
scoring 21 goals in 41 games during his first
season, including a hat-trick in a 3–2 win over
arch rivals Real Madrid.
................

And how can you call Shearer a local champion, what did Gascoigne do? And you put Shearer on Carol 's level? Shearer won the league for Blackburn and destroyed teams even at Newcastle.

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That stuff flashed on my facebook Wall last night 7th, I con happy, only for me to see fake news when I clicked on the link. I con vex. Which kind thing be this? I thought this must be the reason we have been quiet in the marker.


Make una go sleep.

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raumdeuter,
So Paul Gascoigne and Scholes were better than Garry Lineker and Alan Shearer? I am not sure.

Garry Lineker was the first real name I think I got used to in English football. That guy was very good. My cousin told me about a certain Ian Rush but I dont know what he did.

coogar:
stop comparing nobodies to the debate that has messi & maradona in it. maradona won trophies for club & country. messi is an underachiever for his country. that is the difference between the two.

He doesn't understand that there are levels like a ladder. In a ladder with 10 steps, how can anyone bring names of players from far lower steps (let say step 5, 6,7etc) into discussion involving steps 1 and 2?

Even if Emenike wins a champions league now on top of his Nations cup he can't be on same step as Okocha or Oliseh who are in far lower steps than Messi . If Forlan had won the world cup in 2010, he wont be on same step as Messi. If Rojo had won a world cup, he will still be far lower than Vidic in the ladder.

The players in the top tier of the ladder, lets say 2 to 3 have exceptional attributes that have placed them there. Exceptional skills, one or two of the best players in the world during their time, won trophies.

To move from tier 2 to tier 1, the player should be undisputable best player of his generation and beyond, the player must have magic moments in the world cup that even generations unborn will applaud when they come, he should have a stand out performance in world cup crucial stage /match, the player must win a world cup, he must have helped his club to win trophies.

Wetin con concern Emenike for this?

If BighiNya can understand what I am trying to illustrate, he will stop the argument.

SailorXY:
all these guys are big ballers mehn, I no know why I no pursue career in football

that RvP Range tho

Na d one wey succeed be this ones. There might still be your mate training hard playing every day under Bridge in corners of Lagos, frustrated but still dreaming of breakthrough.

When I did My NYSC in Lagos, I met some guys in the field in Ikeja Barrack (I think that was airforce Barrack, I usually went through Maryland). That was our venue for NYSC football training every Fridays. There was this local team which trained there as their normal ground. Some of the players who were probably above 30 already at the time were still dreaming of playing in Europe.

I had so much pity for them because I felt they were stuck. One particular one, didnt even have skills. the worst is that he had no other job. Even me that was far far much younger was just playing for fun, but old men were dreaming - self deception I thought.

In the festac area , the same. Men wey don train under sun for years, yet no breakthrough and some no quality skills when you play against them. Although some were really young. I met one guy in Ojo military Barrack training ground, near Vogts , he couldnt have been more than 17 and he was really good and their second best player.

Most of them survive from little money made from being hired as mercenaries, their ex training pals who got clubs in Easter Europe, China, etc. Some are Nigerian league reject. Although that 17 years said he didn't fancy the idea of playing in the local league.

When you see people football has frustrated, who wished they pursue education side by side, or instead, you will be consoled. You will say may be you really would not have made it. Even Etim Esin, how much did he make? Amuneke doesn't look like someone who earned foreign currency before. These were identified, got to the promise land but got their careers truncated.

No regret too much.

afrodoc2:
NO! Everything German is better than everything British.
All German players are better than all British players, German Language is better than English Language, German Nkwobi tastes better than English Nkwobi and of course German Ipokripo sounds better than English Ipokripo

And German women are finer, classier and 'sweeter ' than British women.

saintwill:
bros no be every time the spirit dey flow

Na only for Barca (club) e magic spirit for dey flow. When he finished Bilbao, I was impressed.

When he spoke about how he how he needed to be fulfilled, I said Messi will destroy Chile in first half. At the end it was mere 11 vs 11 encounter. You know what I mean.

saintwill:
Higuain will still waste it.........that guy is BAD LUCK .......he has proven that time and time again..

Hahahaha. Lol

Then Messi should have done it like Maradona and Pele. Cancel the defenders and the goalkeeper.

nyabinghi:
People just criticized messi unjustly, maybe George Oppong Weah is shyte since he didn't win any national team trophy. In germany 2006 jose pekerman benched him and the argies paid for him. Messi is beyond description. Garrincha, vava and didi contributed to pele's success with brazil. I blame higuain and the useless forwards

Messi also has himself to blame. He missed a good chance in the last world cup.

When mates let you down, Maradona and Pele take it upon themselves to do the unthinkable and score, even if it meant going past 7 men. This is why you hear Pele scored a hatrick in semi final, brace in final. Hatrick in club cup final. Maradona went past men to eliminate England and Belgium in crucial stage.

But Messi missed with only Nueuer left in the final of the world cup. His best in Copa was to try to get a second assists (a pass that leads to an assist). That is Where Maradona would have gone past just two defenders left or beat one and give a juicy direct assist for Higuain to tap in. That is magic moment we need.

If this Darmian deal goes through, it will make sense. We are getting an Italian international for a cheap price. Sorry for all the clubs waiting to scam us with ridiculously high transfer fees.

Clubs will now know United has alternative to its interests.

I like the guys height. Defenders should be tall. If short, should be exceptional like Carlos and Marcelo. Raphael has a massive potential but Gaal has his kind of players in mind.

Manchester United have agreed a fee with
Torino for Italy international right-back Matteo
Darmian, according to Sky Italia sources.

Talks between the clubs have been ongoing
and, after rejecting United's first two bids,
Torino have agreed to sell their prized defender
for £12.7million (€18m).
Darmian is a versatile defender who is capable
of playing in either full-back spot, though his
favoured position is on the right, but also has
experience at centre-half and at 6ft tall offers a
strong aerial presence.

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11667/9905726/manchester-united-have-agreed-a-fee-with-torino-for-matteo-darmian

chrisley024:
Who knows this Darmian?

Sky reports it`s done

A40:
Left to them they would scrap International football just to show that Messi is the greatest. How can anyone tell me a player yet to score a goal in the knockout stage of a World Cup is the greatest with a team as talented as the Argentines? If you even say greatest club player I won't argue

Even if he can't win a major tournament at least be dominant in any of them, not scoring against Bosnia, Iran and Nigeria

The greatest always deliver in the clutch. This is Messi's 3rd Final nothing to show for it.

Ajigbijigbijigbi

A40:
Just to defend Messi people have gone to extreme lengths to discredit football from that era but some of us know better. They said Pele never played in Europe but little did they know the South American League was at par or even stronger than European Leagues in his time with teams like Penarol, Nacional from Uruguay. Independiente, Boca from Argentina. Santos, Cruzeiro etc from Brazil

100 %.

Women world cup final last mighty. A certain lady scored a hatrick within 16 mins and one of the goal was like Beck 's goal from centre line when the keeper was few steps off her line.


Una good night o.

raumdeuter:
WHich moment of magic did Milla produce for his club? which moment of magic did Drogba and Yaya produce for their country?

We are talking about Africa football for those guys.

I am sure Toure scored his trade mark goal in the final or semi or both.

Milla na African King.



Those players I mentioned are greater than Drogba and they won the nations cup. BinghiNya's point is null and void.

Rio Ferdinand

Good luck to Naan Bread ( Nani) on his move to
Turkey!! Different environment where I believe he
will flourish. Questions will be asked whether he
will be happy with his utd career? Of course he
will be happy.. endless amount of trophies where
he played his part.. However, knowing Nani as I
do, I do believe he would have wanted more
games & to have influenced more consistently
during his United tenure!

He was blessed with lots of attributes, having the
tools to match most in the world - pace, power in
both feet, skill, strength...I could go on. It's one
thing having all that it's another putting it all
together....week in week out! There aren't many
that do and there is the thing that separates
Messi & ronaldo from the next tier of Suarez,
Neymar, Zlatan etc. Don't get me wrong those
are world class players as well but there is tiers
with how consistently they produce moments of
defining brilliance and it goes on n on thru the
tiers of players! A key attribute for any world
class player is decision making, when to dribble,
when to shoot and when to pass. The players in
the top tiers get them decisions right more often
than not.

What category Nani sits in now is hard to judge
as he hasn't played for man utd for a long time.
He produced wonder moments back in Portugal
but I have not seen much of him consistently at
sporting. For me he had all the attributes to have
been in the 2nd n 3rd tiers easily.

Of all the players I've played with during my
career, if I wanted someone to beat someone 1
vs 1 & it was do or die he would have been one
of my first picks for sure. He can go either way,
off either foot, tricky & lightening quick - a
defenders nightmare!

There was always going to be comparisons
between him and Ronaldo due to the fact they
were from Portugal and Lisbon. When he first
joined, it would have been great for him to have
Ronaldo there for him to learn and adapt - how
to train, manage yourself on & off the pitch etc.
However the downside to the comparisons came
expectation, which is a hard thing to deal with
for most especially at a club like Manchester
United .

I wish my mate well on his new adventure & I'm
sure he will produce moments of excitement &
brilliance for his new team & set of fans. Good
luck Naan Bread!

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Painful.

nyabinghi:
drogba never won an african nations cup with his civ but less talented players did, national performance is over rated to me. Messi has tried playing two back to back finals, messi has been good for club and country, failure to win the copa or world cup won't diminish him.baggio never won the world cup or even paolo maldini or franco baresi.

Drogba didnt influence and inspire his peers enough. He didnt come up with magic moments like Roger Miller , Abedi Pele, Yaya Toure.

We are not diminishing Messi . We have been generous to leave him with Zico and Di Lima. And very generous to promote him above Xavi.

nyabinghi:
. Raul never won the world cup or european nations cup while torress won both so should I conclude that raul can't clean the boots of torress.

Was Torres main man for Spain? Did he go into the world cup with expectations that he will write the history books?

We are talking about main men. Real legends. Players who can single handedly win crucial matches- world cup semi finals and finals. Players who are capable of being national treasure. These players must also have excelled in clubs.

Now we are drawing the line between the greats who met those expectations and those who failed or fell short.

Messi fell short. Which world cup goal has he even scored that resembles Maradona goal against England? Against Belgium dribbled past defenders to score two goals. In the final he had an assist. Pele also had solo goals in same stages of the world cup.

nyabinghi:
Messi has nothing to prove, he won the golden ball at the last fifa world cup. His records makes people green with envy, boateng has a world cup winners meda, even mertasacker, you can win the world cup as a squad player. Messi destroyed man u and arsenal, raped madrid countless times, bayern won't forget him

Messi has nothing to prove but he used his mouth to say he is unfulfilled. He was already ecstatic thinking he would win the copa America.

Boateng has a world cup yes. oshea , Mereires (is that the spelling), have CL trophy.

The world cup is the highest honour. Maradona was not a passenger in his team. He won it for his country. The reason he is a god in Argentina and Messi is not.

coogar:
the penalty decision that gave germany their only goal. it wasn't even a tackle and the ref gave it in a final that was going to end 0-0.



that was why maradona's performance in this game alone eclipsed whatever messi has achieved. it's the best performance i have seen from an individual in a world cup game.

the odds were against them.....
brazil were better than them on paper. careca was the most fearsome striker in the world & maradona inspired an average team to defeat the almighty brazil.

Exactly, on the two issues above. Gbam!

raumdeuter:
if a team decides to play extremely rough football then why shouldnt he show the red card?

Webb should have sent De Jong off for that foul and it was an error in judgment thats why English referees are a laughing stock in the world

One of them even gave one player 3 yellow cards at a world cup game. England is a disgrace to the game

Didn't a ref give Drogba a red card in a CL final for a minor slap?

I keep seeing English refs in big CL games yet you say they are not good.

Webb did well. The match for spoil. The fun would have gone.

DROGBA:s slap was extra time.

Coogar just reminded me. Argentina were robbed truly.

weedtaker:
Na wa o! Which one be littbarski?? I no even knw say rumminege play soccer, na wa o, old men full here o

I watched Rumminege live in Mexico 86. I was in primary school but my house na soccer home. I get one cousin who just returned from NYSC who lived with us. Neighbors and some Poly students came our sitting room to see games.

There was a Platini vs Rummenigge meeting that kept a lot of people in our house till late night. I think that was a semi final match. Germany second goal from counter was a delight to see. It was a killer goal as it ended Platini 's world cup hope. We all jubilated in our house because my cousin had rallied us behind Maradona. There was a debate at the time who was better between Maradona and Platini. When Maradona single handedly sent out Belgium on top of performance against England, it was no contest again who the world best player was.