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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:35am On Jul 06, 2015
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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:22am On Jul 06, 2015
National treasure!
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m):
Homesteady, Pele scored 1088 goals in 1115 apperances for Santos.

He scored 470 league goals in 412 league appearances for Santos.

He went to play his pension football at New York Cosmos, he scored 31 goals in 56 league appearances.
In a bid to rubbish Pele you said he scored many from friendly matches and that Neymar is will score more than Pele. Let me school you a little.

# Neymar has 44 goals from 64 appearances for Brazil national team. Pele had 77 goals in 92 appearances.

# Neymar has never played qualifier, which means most of his goals are from friendly matches. While Pele scored mostly from competitive matches. In fact crucial matches.

# Neymar goals per match is 0.68, Pele is 0.84.

# Neymar scored 54 goals in 103 games in Brazil league which is 0.52 per match, and he was bought for all the monies in the world. Pele scored 470 league goals in 412 appearances in that same league, when the league was very strong in those days. Pele averaged 1.14 league goal per match in Brazilian league.



See Pele career stat below.

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 9:15am On Jul 06, 2015
homesteady:
Oga why are you shifting goalpost na?
Instead of you to just agree that Sanchez was not their main man in the competition, you are giving me another long speech!


Did you watch both of them play? So why are you arguing with people who watched Both Pele and Maradona? undecided


An average club that was able to fork out world record fee for a player? AC MILAN is an average club now, but have they always been an average club? Google about Napoli and stop spewing trash here!


Lmaoooooooooooo nice CV I must say!
Pele played 4 worldcups for Brazil!
-Brazil won it the edition before Pele made his debut, so obviously Brazil was already a superpower!
-In his 1st worldcup, Brazil won, but he was only good enough for Silver boot
-In his 2nd worldcup, he was injured early in the tournament, and Garrincha led brazil to the cup
-In his 3rd worldcup, Brazil didn't win
-It was only in his 4th worldcup that he was the best player!


Pelé scored 1281 goals in 1363 games, including unofficial friendlies and tour games!
Besides Neymar is on his way to break Pele record for highest number of goals for brazil!
You could only bring two people who watched both of them. What happened to thousands others who watched both and still say Pele is the best ever, followed by Maradona.

I dont have time for the rest of your epistle. I addressed everything last night.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 11:53pm On Jul 05, 2015
homesteady:
And he did not make the tournament best XI

www.nairaland.com/attachments/2595040_55996cfc6ac27_jpeg756975123357086ae2efa6d6c9dd597b

And 5 of his teammates made the team! undecided undecided
So we can say Vidal inspired his team mates to a national team glory, and Messi has not. Messi had better team mates than Vidal.

And someone wants to tell me he is in the league of Pele and Maradona?

Maradona inspired Argentina to a world cup glory and made an average club champion, not once.

Pele : BRAZIL has 5 world cups in 85 years. Pele won three of them in just 20 years. He has average of one goal per match. A feat that is a dream in football. Not 1 goal per match in 15 matches. One goal per match in a thousand plus matches.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 11:33pm On Jul 05, 2015
Even if Sanchez did not make the tournament best eleven, he remains the CHILEAN TEAM main man. That is the way I understood it going into the tournament. Same way I would had credited Messi a great guy who inspired his colleagues if Argentina had won the last world cup. Even if Messi did not perform as he did.

If Messi wins a world cup even if he scored no goal, I will believe he provided the inspiration because he is Argentina main man.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 11:19pm On Jul 05, 2015
homesteady:
elampiro - here are quotes from some people who watched Pele and Maradona!
I did not see where Ferguson said Messi is the best ever. Morover you listed only 2 or people who said Messi is the best ever. And they were mostly comparing him with Maradona.

Any player who has not won a world cup can not be in the competition for best ever.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:28pm On Jul 05, 2015
Debroslink:
How precisely did Sanchez inspire his country to glory? He scored a penalty, so what? How many MOTM did he win?

From your analogy, Sanchez is better than Maradona and Pele because he won a trophy the duo never won.
World cup is far greater than COPA America cups.


Sanchez is the main man in Chilean team.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 7:46pm On Jul 05, 2015
Debroslink:
How precisely did Sanchez inspire his country to glory? He scored a penalty, so what? How many MOTM did he win?

From your analogy, Sanchez is better than Maradona and Pele because he won a trophy the duo never won.
World cup is far greater than COPA America cups.

One cup America greater than 0 cup.

Sanchez is the main man in Chilean team.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 7:29pm On Jul 05, 2015
I need only two players for a start.

DM and CD.

carrick is old and Blind is not a DM we can count on. He is even one legged which makes his passes far less fluent than Carrick's. He doesn't have the pace, physic and he is not a tough tackler. Not strong aerially in the middle of the park. He could do the job against small teams like QPR not against big teams and hard playing teams.

Centre back because we need someone who cannot be put under pressure while on the ball in our box area even against Aguero, Tevez , CR7 who can rob defenders of the ball. Valencia is someone like that on the right side.

.........

We can manage the right backs we have. We have four players who can play there above average. With different qualities. So a new right back should be a massive upgrade on what we have.

would clyne had done a job for us? You can never tell.

Striker : I like Benzema but we cannot get him unless he is out of favor at Madrid. Kane has only shone one season.

The major thing is that the big players who can give us instant success - guaranteed , are hard to pluck. We are lucky to have someone like Di Maria in our team , a big star we added last season. . Otherwise, we wont be atttactive to big stars.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 6:49pm On Jul 05, 2015
Training resumes this week . We go to preseason with same team we all agreed that it can't win without being upgraded.

We are going to play the champions league play off with same team we know can easily disappoint.

Only one addition, although we have players returning from loan. chicha and Nani. No major exit yet or did I miss any? van Persie will join the team's training. Lets keep all rumours, rumours.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 6:26pm On Jul 05, 2015
chrisley024:
Who doesn't help.
He should better be using the skill on the other side of the pitch.
This is off topic.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 6:15pm On Jul 05, 2015
chrisley024:
Hahaha! Not surprised we've been horrible at defending set pieces cheesy cheesy cheesy grin
Na you know. Rooney headed clear many dangerous balls into our box last season. I heard commentators twice commending him.

Our weakness defending set play has to do with many of our players with weak aerial ability. Our full backs and midfielders are very weak in that regard. The Centre backs, Rooney and RVP are the only ones relied on. Evra will even do better than many players we have, not to mention Brown, Oshea,.

Lastly DDG is still developing his aerial contest in the EPL. He prefers to stay on his line, unlike VDS, courtouis, Illoris, Cech..
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 5:53pm On Jul 05, 2015
chrisley024:
Rooney our striker is now known for clearing aerial ball. cheesy cheesy cheesy grin
cheesy
cheesy
cheesy

This romance with Rooney requires the help of TB Joshua cheesy grin cheesy
Do you watch our matches at all? You will not be able to coach a team because you cannot spot the qualities and weaknesses of players. RVP also clear area balls from set play, but he does so without marking a man. Mostly when manning near post. But Rooney usually is assigned to pick one of the best headers of the opposition side. For a lot time last season he was picking the most dangerous opposing player to mark for set plays against us.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m):
leggo:
unless you are at least 53 years old don't tell me what you didn't see..Pele was injured in his first world cup win, Didi was MVP in the 2nd and Pele was one of many good players in the 3rd win. you want to compare the micro shorts footballers you had then with those around now? maradona however was a special breed, I don't know if messi can win at Napoli, same way I don't know if he can perform on a cold Tuesday night at stoke..but messi's sheer consistency over the years in unmatched.
I saw the VCR cassete, 'boys from Brazil' and others with matches of world cup to 1982. Pele might never have a rival in football. He was the best to me in his first world cup but he was too young and people thought was a fluke. When they saw him the following in Copa America, they gave up and crowned him best player.

Why do you think Brazil won nothing in the world cup 30 years before him and nothing 24 YEARS AFTER ? Every football follower who lived in PELE 'S time to date all agreed he has no match.

I heard he averaged 1 goal per match despite playing over a thousand matches. You cannot know better than people who played football in Pele`s time and who keep saying he is the best. Also those are fans before his era till now.

Good you admitted Maradona shits on messi. If Maradona played in Barca team of today........ He alone would have created 6 of the seven wonders of the world. The ARGENTINE team of today, Maradona would have won a world cup with it already with a striker like AGUERO , Tevez is there. Mascherano, Di Maria, Zabeleta , Otameldi.

Messi is trying but l can't understand why he has failed to do whether Sanchez just did so easily. Inspire your colleagues to national team glory.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 4:01pm On Jul 05, 2015
Nihilist:
I said he was the weak link in our back line defensively.

The only person who would doubt Ivanovic being the best RB in the league last year thinks Valencia played better than Dani Alves.
Ivanovic is very good. There is something people dont see. He goes into the middle to clear aerial balls with his head, partly helping Terry and Cahil/Zouma. That is the edge he has over all the full backs in the league if not the world. That makes Chelsea very secure defending set play and crosses. He is also a big threat going forward and attacking set play.

Since West Brown and Oshea left us, we are left with only the two centre defenders to clear crosses from our box. With a striker, Rooney, the other dependable player to contest and clear from set play against us.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m):
leggo:
How did you come to this conclusion??
Pele played 4 world cups and won 3. Playing along side different set of players over 20 years period. BRAZIL WON NOTHING BEFORE PELE AND WON NOTHING 24 YEARS AFTER PELE, TILL 2004. World cup wise.
He won for both club and country.

Maradona won the world cup and won with different clubs including Napoli. Do you think Messi can win with Napoli?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 2:47pm On Jul 05, 2015
Higuain, e don tey am. He was the principal culprit when he was in Madrid with Benzema. Benzema has far improved his finishing while Higuain has been ruining Argentina. World cup, and now.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 2:30pm On Jul 05, 2015
Messi is great but he is not in the league of King Pele and Maradona.

The two football greatest legends could walk into average teams and turn them to triumphant teams.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m):
Good Nihilist finally gave Ivanovic his due respect. Few weeks ago, you wrote about Ivanovic like he had a poor season or he he is even a poor right back.

I began to wonder if you wrote that just to please people.

Ivanovic is the best right back in EPL. Any player who played the number of matches he had is bound to be battle fatigued . The reason he had moments of poor concentration in the tail end of the season, when Chelsea were already home from the war.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:08pm On Jul 03, 2015
Angel Di Maria reckons he isn't interested in a move to Barcelona, no matter how much his Argentina teammates joke with him about the situation. The Catalan press over the past couple of weeks have concocted a story about Barcelona trying to buy the player. It was quite clearly nonsense but claims about Di Maria's future won't go away. The Argentine had been getting criticism in Argentina for perceived poor performance at the Copa America but he answered those critics with two goals in his country's thrashing of Paraguay. Since then, a relieved and much happier Di Maria has been speaking to the media and revealed Lionel Messi and Javier Mascherano have brought up the idea of a Barcelona move. Di Maria told TYC Sports: "Leo and Masche always joke with me and tell me to go with them to Barcelona but I'm good in Manchester. "My first year at each European club where I've played was never good. Then I improved and finished very well. I know that I will repeat that at Man United." [Source: tycsports.com , ESPN, @sportwitness]
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 11:12pm On Jul 01, 2015
Rumour, rumours, rumours.














Ukwu!!!
Politics › Re: Nigerians Tear Twitter Apart Over Mugabe Marriage Proposal To Barrack by elampiro(m): 12:40pm On Jul 01, 2015
Senate Approves Bill that
Legalizes Sodomy and
Bestiality in U.S. Military

NOVEMBER 4, 2013
The repeal of the U.S. military’s “don’t ask, don’t
tell” policy was hailed by lesbian, gay, bisexual
and transgender (LGBT) activists as a supreme
victory for the Obama administration in
September. But now, those outraged by the repeal
say they are further angered by the revision of
yet another military technicality.
As Stars and Stripes is reporting, White House and
Pentagon officials have fielded uncomfortable
queries on whether they are working to
decriminalize sex with animals as part of efforts
to update the Uniform Code of Military Justice
(UCMJ).
Interestingly, Congress is reportedly poised to
remove the only specific reference to bestiality in
the UCMJ, though officials say its removal is
merely a legal technicality and does not represent
any fundamental change for servicemembers and,
by extension, service animals, the publication
reports.
The text in question to be repealed reads:
a) Any person subject to this chapter who
engages in unnatural carnal copulation with
another person of the same or opposite sex or
with an animal is guilty of sodomy. Penetration,
however slight, is sufficient to complete the
offense.
(b) Any person found guilty of sodomy shall be
punished as a court-martial may direct.
Among those who expressed their distaste in the
removal were members of the People for the
Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA), who allege
White House officials are not considering the
seriousness of the matter. “Our office has been
flooded with calls from Americans who are upset
that this ban has been repealed — and for good
reason,” officials wrote in a letter to White House
Press Secretary Jay Carney, according to Politico .
“As we outlined in the attached letter sent
yesterday to the secretary of defense, animal
abuse does not affect animals only — it is also a
matter of public safety, as people who abuse
animals very often go on to abuse human
beings.”
Not surprisingly, conservative pundits were also
among the dissenting voices. Having already
slammed the Obama administration for “using the
military to advance [its] radical social agenda,”
Family Research Council President Tony Perkins
told CNSNews.com , “Well, whether it was
inadvertent or not, they have also taken out the
provision against bestiality. So now, under the
Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ), there’s
nothing there to prosecute bestiality.”
Join the Discussion

http://www.independentamericanparty.org/2013/11/senate-approves-bill-that-legalizes-sodomy-and-bestiality-in-u-s-military/

Politics › Re: Nigerians Tear Twitter Apart Over Mugabe Marriage Proposal To Barrack by elampiro(m): 12:22pm On Jul 01, 2015
Obama is currently urging religion houses to change their teachings to accept same-sex marriage. He also is threatening taxing them if they dont comply with same-sex marriage celebration.
Politics › Re: Nigerians Tear Twitter Apart Over Mugabe Marriage Proposal To Barrack by elampiro(m): 12:11pm On Jul 01, 2015
bushdoc9919:
While Obama is approving of same sex marriage.....decisions by individual states to legalise or recognise same sex marriage are the states alone.

In other words this would have happened even if Obama was opposed to same sex marriage.

Again....America is less centralized than Nigeria.

Modified: ....

The legal issues surrounding same-sex marriage in the United States are determined by the nation's federal system of government, in which the status of a person, including marital status, is determined in large measure by the individual states. Prior to 1996, the federal government did not define marriage; any marriage recognized by a state was recognized by the federal government, even if that marriage was not recognized by one or more states, as was the case until 1967 with interracial marriage which some states banned by statute.
Civil same-sex marriage ceremony being performed in San Francisco City Hall in June 2008.

Prior to 2004, same-sex marriage was not performed in any U.S. jurisdiction. It was subsequently legalized in different jurisdictions through legislation, court rulings,[57] tribal council rulings,[58] and popular vote in referenda.[59][60][61]

The Supreme Court's ruling in Obergefell renders moot any remaining legal challenges, as it specifically orders states to both issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples, and to recognize as valid marriages performed in other states.[62]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_marriage_in_the_United_States#Legal_issues
What we are saying is that Obama's support and public declaration pushed this agenda through. Same-sex marriage, bestaility and legalized marijuana.

We dont even need to quote his numerous speech canvassing for legalization of gay marriage. Even using threat.
Politics › Re: Nigerians Tear Twitter Apart Over Mugabe Marriage Proposal To Barrack by elampiro(m): 11:52am On Jul 01, 2015
It was under Obama administration senate approved a bill legalizing bestaility in the military.
Politics › Re: Nigerians Tear Twitter Apart Over Mugabe Marriage Proposal To Barrack by elampiro(m): 11:35am On Jul 01, 2015
bushdoc9919:
I wish them every happiness grin

On a more serious note....Obama did not legalize gay marriage.

What happened was that some years ago, two gay men who lived in the US state of Ohio(which at the time did not recognize gay marriage)...got married in the State of Maryland (which did).

When one of the men died back home in Ohio...his husband applied to be listed on the death certificate as his spouse.

The State refused...hence Oberfegell vs Kasich(at the lower courts) and v Hodges (at the Supreme). (Oberfegell is the husband of the dead man, Kasich is the governor of Ohio State.Hodges is the Director of the Ohio Dept of Health..a position analogous to our States Commissioner for Health in Nigeria)..

The Supreme Court...in a majority decision...found that the American Constitution's intent is to provide every American with dignity...hence if gay marriage helped provide that dignity.....then gay marriage is legal under the Constitution.(That is a rough way of looking at it.A nearly similar decision was made in 1973 by the then Supremes legalizing abortion....Roe vs Wade.).

Hence...gay marriage is now legal. Obama did nothing(though he obviously is not opposed). If he was opposed...there is nothing he can do...save propose an amendment to the Constitution making gay marriage illegal.....which is a long and complex process...and which may not succeed.

Modified: More details of the infamous or famous case here..https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obergefell_v._Hodges.

- On May 9, 2012, Barack Obama became the first sitting U.S. president to publicly declare support for the legalization of same-sex marriage.

- Before Obama became the President of America, only 2 states (Massachusetts May 2004 and Connecticut Nov 2008) legalized same sex marriage. California issued license to same sex couple briefly in 2008, but stopped it after 5 months.

- On November 6, 2012, Maine, Maryland, and Washington became the first states to legalize same-sex marriage through popular vote.

-Before this ruling by supreme court legalizing same-sex marriage nationwide, same sex marriage had been legalized in 36 states. This means 34 states legalized same sex marriage under Obama administration.

-This is Obama's agenda. Without Obama as the president, this wouldn't have succeeded.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m):
chrisley024:
he can't deal with aerial ball as we saw in the last game
His first senior game over a year.

Before he went out, aerial balls was one of his strength for Barca. Although that was a different league. Here tell and heavily built strikers bully defenders and goalkeepers.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 2:16pm On Jun 30, 2015
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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 1:55pm On Jun 30, 2015
We would have signed Cech if not that Valdez came our way. I have an extremely high regard for Cech.

I pray Valdez live up. My only worry about Valdez is his height. He is a goalkeeper who goes for aerial balls and crosses. I hope his height will not let him down in the EPL.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 9:43pm On Jun 29, 2015
I think Rojo major problem is that he doesn't know how to act as a sweeper behind his co-centre back. If Smalling is beaten, you are most likely to see Jones chasing and closing down the striker. Same thing Smalling does when Jones is beaten. But Rojo doesn't often do that in my opinion. When the defence line is beaten, next the striker heads straight unchallenged to DDG most of the time when the partnership is not Smalling and Jones.

Jones also has an advantage of high interceptions. He also tackles high. These two attributes help him to nullify threats high up the pitch.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 9:28pm On Jun 29, 2015
weedtaker:
Phil jones signs new man.united deal, tying him to the club till june 2019.. Elampiro go use dis one slaughter some people here o (i no mention name o grin
I got to accept that may be we see things differently, otherwise, I didnt know why any United fan wanted Jones sold. I wonder if that was because of arguments here over time because in other forums outside nairaland, it's not same feelings. I never for once thought they would sell him. It shouldn't have made any sense selling a developing 23 years old offering such a good performance from his less comfortable LCB. He did better in that LCB than Rojo and Samlling. Smalling was even more nervous when he was used there. Rojo and Evans are the most comfortable in the LCB, but that comfort didn't appear to compensate for their individual weaknesses they have playing as centre backs. Hence Rojo became a back up LCB to Jones in the push for top 4 finish.

I thought even if Jones got sold for any reason, it would be to another big team and that he was going to prove many people wrong.

When we went 6/6 straight wins, he played 5 of the matches striking a good partnership with Smalling. He got injured after the Man City game. Then returned to help stabilize our defence for the final push for top 4 finish when we defeated Palace and drew against Arsenal and Hull. He also has all the defensive stats to back him up at the end.

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