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sinizia:
You keep regurgitaing the same crap like a possessed Hausa goat.

Stop exhibiting your inherent madness and answer my questions. Are you this retardéd or you just got bitten by a rabid dog this night? I'm asking you, why is Rooney in a 9 position instead of your weed-induced position of "best 10 of his generation"? If you can't answer me, STFU and go back to your gay session with the one-legged he-goat in your father's farm.

Look at this gnaw. 1 kobo intelligence you dont have. It's waste of time exchanging posts with a nincompoop as you.

Is Ramos number 3 to be in the left back position in that chart?

Is Thiago Silva number 3 to be in left back in this chart below?

Is Ronaldo number 9 to be in number 9 in another chart?



Arent you ashamed now? I even forgot you don't know football positioning. The maggot said Xavi is number 10. Crude animal. Same position Cleverley played for Man United is number 10 to this Gnaw.

sinizia:
Brainless imbecilé sired by a silverback, i ask, does it change the fact that the fraud scored just 1 away goal in 14 months?

Idíot!! You said Rooney is a 10, why is in a position of a 9? Stupidity runs in your blood, ewu.

Look at this Armadillo.

It's clear that you have no brain of your own any more. Even the one lend to you is infested by maggots. To the extent you don't know that even your cohort members and leader agreed that Rooney is only there as one of three forwards. How do I even expect you to know when there isn't a healthy brain in you to reason. How many times did Ferguson even tell you Rooney's position is behind the striker? Rooney himself said so.

sinizia:
Pathetic dolt, what's that pic got to do with the fact that Rooney scored 1 away goal in one season and 14 months? A fraud on £300K a week wages? I thought you said Rooney is not a striker? Why is he on a striking position in that pic? Idíot!! Go argue with kids.

You are a compound fool. Brainwashed follow follow. A first degree Ekwe Sample! Maggot. Common sense should tell you Rooney is there among three forwards in a 4-3-3. When will your football yeye forwards get into that chart?

sinizia:
Kai!! This is damaging!! Elampawa, if there's any shame left in you, you need to keep quiet after seeing that your fake "best 10 of his generation" who's on a £300K a week has scored 1, just 1 away league goal in 14 months. This is the most shameful part of his inadequacies. Fúck you Moyes for not selling Rooney.

Brainwashed kid without a brain of his own.

Anyway, take look below. When your preferred forwards get into that chart, you can return to talk. Until then, you are no longer qualify to argue with me.

^^^ Opta formation can mislead someone into hell.

How manage Zonal Marking were able to get this (4-4-2 or 4-1-2-1-2 Diamond) formation right and players positioning while OPTA failed woefully? Pls you guys should respond before the end of 'business' today. lol

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Manchester United may recall Wayne Rooney for Chelsea FA Cup tie
• Sir Alex Ferguson plans tactical switch for quarter-final
• Rooney and Kagawa may return in diamond formation

"Wazza and Shinji can play together, there's no doubt about that," said Ferguson. "At Newcastle [when United won 3-0 in October] we played a diamond and that's a consideration. We played Wazza centre midfield and Shinji towards the right. They did really well in that game. Good footballers can play together. I think the preferred position for Shinji is off the front man in a central position and that's the same for Wazza. We maybe have to alternate them."

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/mar/09/manchester-united-wayne-rooney-chelsea-fa-cup

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Before the Baga game.
“We’ve had some success with a [midfield] diamond recently, while at this club we’ve always had a tradition of playing with wide players,” said Ferguson. ........... “When it comes to United, teams will now have to think: ‘Are they going to play with two out wide? Or with a midfield. - diamond?’ - http://www.thesportreview.com/tsr/2012/10/man-utd-v-braga-sir-alex-ferguson-midfield-flexibility/

coogar:
rooney's passes towards the wingers don't set the wingers free. it's a safe pass that the wingers must wait to receive or rooney puts it behind them cos he's clueless.

admit it, rooney is a failure!

He is clueless, yet he kept setting RVP and Di Maria free with many one-vs-one with the goalkeeper. He put Valencia through with an exquisite through ball to score against Leverkusen at Old Trafford. He sets Ronaldo on countless counter attacks.

coogar:
because what we know as assist in the PL is different from how it's known in europe. nani recorded 19 assists in one season. how come rooney hasn't recorded close to that in all his 13 seasons in his career?

is failure in rooney's DNA?

Rooney despite passing the ball diagonally to wingers for a cross, has 100 Assists in the EPL. Only players who played almost for 20 years are slightly ahead of him. Yori Yori.

Rooney is the only player in the EPL history who has goals+ Assists going for him at same time. What a talent.

Rooney 170 EPL goals.

What a LEGEND.

coogar:
how many times are we going to educate you that the premier league's assist count is different from OPTA's. nani had 19 assists in the premier league that year & i can list each & everyone of them for you to verify.

OPTA doesn't count assist for a player that wins a penalty if the penalty is scored. OPTA doesn't count assists from rebounds. OPTA doesn't count assist for own goals. the premier league counts those as assists week in week out.

nothing you say can ever defend wayne rooney as one of the most useless forwards that has ever graced the premier league. 170EPL goals in 13 seasons. 1 away league goal in 14 months. no golden boot & he's never topped any league assist chart in his 13-year career as a professional.

rooney is a liability!

I had to expose your inconsistency. You argue using OPTA stat all the way, all of a sudden just to make LEGEND ROONEY look poor you brought grandnut and kuilikuili stats to over hype Nani and Young's figure.

All our arguments were based on OPTA, why jump to kuilikuili stats to boost Nani and Young's figures?

This is how Tortoise behave.

nyabinghi:
Rooney is useless as some people claim but he is our 3rd all time scorer after charlton and law, charlton has 249 in 758 apps, law 237 in 404 and rooney 230 in 479 means all our players are/were rubbish

Yori Yori


They won't mention that Rooney top Assists in Champions league last season.

CHAMPIONS LEAGUE HIGHEST ASSISTS 2013/2014
Rooney------- 8
Di Maria------6
Benzema-----5

eufa.com

parrotibaba:
Rooney was a number 10 for united n yet he wanted to leave after saf's last season because he was used as a number 10 elampiro billed him for

Just dis season Rooney was relieved to be moved upfront by LVG but according to pawa ,he is a number 10,d best number 10/winger/soon to be right back in d world

Which position did Rooney play for David Moyes? You said Rooney wanted to leave because SAF used him as number 10, yet he played 10 for David Moyes even though Mourinho wanted him to play the number 9.

SAF said in 2012/2013 that Rooney likes the number 10 and that was the position too for Kagawa, that he might had to resort to rotating them.

Rooney was angry for being used in central midfield and wing.

WING: Southampton and Madrid.
Central Midfield: Stoke, West Ham and Aston Villa.

These matches came in quick succession.
On January 30th 2013, Rooney played in the wing with Kagawa in the number 10 against Southampton. Then Rooney scored 2 goals from the wing and won the MOTM. In Madrid he was in the wing with responsibility to help Rafael out in the defence.


What do you people enjoy in all these lies?

coogar:
has he ever topped the assist chart?
11/12 assists is too low. nani got 18. ashley young got 18. cesc got 18 this season.

This figures are wrong. A Chelsea fan whom I had conversation with this morning prompted me on this. He said he wasnt sure a United player has had 18 Assists in the EPL, if at all it should be Giggs. I checked OPTA and behold he was correct.

OPTA
Nani= 14
Drogba= 13
Rooney =11
Fabregas= 11
Baines = 11
Arshavin= 11
Young= 10.

Considering the number of minutes Young played that season, he was abysmal.

parrotibaba:
which point did u prove? nothing!!! u v been exposed as a fraud time n time again ,d argument wasn't closed ,u lost!!




From being a winger to a number 10 to Rooney being afraid of Gerrard ,mate go n recharge ur batteries ,de r completely dead!

Rooney is the best number 10 of his generation.

Ferguson: I play Rooney behind the striker.
Rooney: I play behind the striker.

Parrot: Ferguson and Rooney are liars.








Keep on hating. Rooney just got an alert for his salary. I need to leave you to cry. When a baby is beaten blue and black, it's good to allow the baby sometime to cry. Ntor!!! Cry cry baby (adult).

parrotibaba:
which superior points n facts? "SAF had to change him because Gerrard knows him too well n could use it against him" or d 2011/2012 formation of welbeck upfront in ur aimless effort in trying to prove a worthless point? ...u hv been buried under rooney's a$$

I proved my point beyond reasonable doubt. And don't talk since you know not football tactics.

If you didn't lose this argument you wouldn't being trying to reopen it when it was already closed.

They also said Neymar was overhyped. Even this season they still some still questioned his abilities.

parrotibaba:
mate u hv been knocked out ,stop hiding behind Rooney's kitchen cupboard

I finished you all. When I hit two, you will go call two more. At any point, you Ekwe Samples had to be three to make any sense.

Two were always too small for me because of my far superior points and facts.

parrotibaba:
Lacazette only once ,Felipe Anderson is good but just good ...










Elamps has finally conceded defeat ,d first of its kind here.

You re not serious. It was a landslide victory for me day and night for about a week.

Rooney is the best number 10 of his generation. That is why he has been indispensable. You see players like Joe Cole, etc changing clubs every time. But Rooney is so cherished. If na juju make you go do am and earn even 3k pounds/week. Den no dey pluck talent for tree.

Be guided.

You guys can have the floor now.



You can start your (wet)dreams. Rooney to be sold. Since that makes your daily dinner complete.

A second Striker/Support striker is also number 10. Why the argument in the first place?
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Second striker[edit]
Deep-lying forwards have a long history in the game, but the terminology to describe their playing activity has varied over the years. Originally such players were termed inside forwards, or deep-lying centre-forwards. More recently, two more variations of this old type of player have developed: the second, or shadow, or support, or auxiliary striker and, in what is in fact a distinct position unto its own, the Number 10,[4] Diego Maradona who is often described as an attacking midfielder or the playmaker.

The second striker position is a loosely defined and most often misapplied description of a player positioned somewhere between the out-and-out striker, whether he is a target-man or more of a poacher, and the Number 10 attacking midfielder, while possibly showing some of the characteristics of both. In fact, a coined term, the "nine-and-a-half", has been an attempt to become a standard in defining the position.[5] Conceivably, a Number 10 can alternate as a second-striker provided that he is also a prolific goalscorer, otherwise a mobile forward with good technical ability, who can both score and create opportunities for a less versatile centre-forward, is more suited. Second or support strikers do not tend to get as involved in the orchestration of attacks as the Number 10, nor do they bring as many other players into play, since they do not share the burden of responsibility, functioning predominantly as assist providers.[6]

weedtaker:
baba, i tell you say if you and this guy enter arguement you go end up being "CLUELESS" just like him.. And coogar you harsh o, no be even dame or matured mothers.. Grannys 4 dat matter ACHAWO rooney

You are a clueless ignoramus.

parrotibaba:
which kind of stцpid excuse is dis? "SAF was probably trying to avoid Rooney playing against Gerrard" ... niggur please find another thing to say ,dis is d height of clueless ,trying to stick an argument where dia is none

Gerald knows Rooney very well and has the ability to use that against him.

coogar:
he comes short when you had goals/assists.
when rooney scores more than 25 league goals, his assists fall below 6.

I mean in 2010/2011 he scored 11 and Assisted 11
In 2012/2013 he scored 12 and Assisted 10

He had just 2000 and 2200 minutes respectively.

coogar:
just answer the bloody question.
what formation did we play in moscow?




says who?



so you now agree rooney is useless?
cos if rooney is number-10, he has one of the lowest assists if you consider the sheer number of games he plays. if he's a striker; he's also useless cos his average per season is too low for the hype he gets.

so we have a rooney who isn't excellent in assists or excellent in goalscoring. so what exactly is rooney's specialty?

1. If I got hold of that Ferguson's post, that is what I will share but without further comment. That argument should wait for another day.

2. Rooney had two thing going for him before we bought him, Goals+Assists. Then a team player. When you judge Wayne Rooney, count his goals+Assists together.

See you. I want to end this.

tess1:
That's what i said that if it's 4 4 1 1 they'll state it. They stated specifically that it's 4 4 1 1. But what you do is that you always choose the ones that aids your arguments.

What about these two from Zonal Marking?

Na wao! How many times will you guys keep repeating Liverpool matches? Why going back and forth.






The same Zonal Marking made those comments without mentioning 4 4 1 1. Zonal marking cannot know more than whoscored.

I don't know why i'll trust Zonal Marking which is a one-man's work more than whoscored that has so many feeds from a lot of experts and and is computer based.

Zonal Marking is more reliable than whoscored because Zonal Marking discusses tactics. Whoscored/OPTA also has a staff like you and I put in charge of formation for some clubs.

I have already answered the rest.

weedtaker:
he won it with fiorentina and he won it wit bayern in his debut season with 24goals and scored upto 39goals in all competitions dat season. World club cup golden boot? Hahahahaha best player is not that bad though defenders like ramos won it.. But world club cup golden boot? Na wetin you wan take console urself and ur paddy rooney? At 38years someone is finished a campaign in one of the top 5 european leagues as their top scorer.. Mehn its an incredible feat to achieve.

Rooney won the PFA player of the year. Best player is a zillion time a higher award than golden boot.

Rooney made Ballon D'or best forward.

coogar:
@elampiro.....
what formation did united play in moscow in the final of the 2008 champions league?

We were on this twice before. It should be postponed to another day. Let's not make this unending. I have lost two days of what was suppose to be a long weekend. Bring it up again.

But remember SAF said something about the formation and I published it here recently, I think this year. He told papers what we played in the second half.

coogar:
so why is rooney & berbatov not grouped on their own then? opta/whoscored already told us man utd played 4-4-2 formation 31 times in 11/12 season. what else are you arguing for?

The two upfront are the most targeted for analysis on their roles by pundits. Many formation charts however carelessly still group 4-4-1-1 together as 4-4-2. Why? It depends on the staff in charge of drawing the formation of certain clubs. Some have Kagawa as number 10 in their list, may be too Januzaj as a winger. May be they marked Ozil as number 10, Welbeck as a striker.

So when Welbeck is taken to the wing and Ozil on the right wing and Ramsey in the hole, they miss their formation. If Januzaj is in the hole and Kagawa in the wing, they miss their formation. If Rooney is in the hole, they could mistke him as a second striker. However, second striker is still number 10.

I think I want to end this argument.

tess1:
Even when your Almighty Zonal Marking's comments said they are 4 4 2? SMH

This is one of Zonal Marking's comments:



This comment was made as at January 2012
Maybe Zonal Markings is no longer reliable.

You need to learn to use Zonal Marking. The above has the explanation below:

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Man United 1-6 Man City
City crafted a clever first half advantage over United, then were rampant after half time.

Sir Alex Ferguson went with the 4-4-2ish shape he’s favoured this season (but moved away from last weekend at Liverpool). There was no Nemanja Vidic, nor Phil Jones at the back. Danny Welbeck was alongside Wayne Rooney.

Roberto Mancini had to replace Nigel de Jong with Yaya Toure (though this might have contributed to the fluidity of his side), and used Mario Balotelli rather than Edin Dzeko as the main striker.

City were the better side throughout the match, using the ball more efficiently in the final third and creating more opportunities. The scoreline of 6-1 overstates Mancini’s tactical triumph over Ferguson – three goals came in stoppage time, five came after Jonny Evans was sent off and the six came from ‘only’ seven shots on target.

But that should not detract from the fact that Mancini got his decisions right, and City were by far the better side against a team who had previouly gone 19 home games without defeat.

Formations

Both managers opted for the more attacking of their two potential formations – both broadly in a 4-4-1-1 shape, rather than the defensive-minded 4-5-1 / 4-3-3 that Ferguson used at Liverpool and Mancini switched to against Villarreal. The result was a game that was much more open than previous Manchester derbies – remember the dreadful 0-0 at the City of Manchester Stadium when both used three central midfielders?

coogar:
no...
don't allow it to go. what can you say about RVP? nothing!



he mustn't win the golden boot & yet a winger won it for man utd?



exactly!
they didn't have the same roles which means carrick, scholes & our wingers shouldn't have been grouped together as the second 4.

if carrick, scholes & the wingers are all in the same band then logic follows rooney & berbatov must be in the same band. you have been exposed yet again.

Even whoscored and opta group all midfielder (central and wingers) together as 4. That is a standard on its own.

tess1:
That is a FAT lie. From what i've read on Zonal Marking, it'll simply state if it is 4 4 1 1 or 4 4 2 2.





Those comments are also from Zonal Markings.

I don't rely much on what Zonal Markings says over football tactics and formations over whoscored. Zonal markings only pick matches that they like. Unlike whoscored that analyse all matches throughout the season.

I only went to Zonal Markings to pick all those formations because you've always been mentioning them as if they are the almighty of tactics and formation analysis.

You are the one telling lies. I stated that Zonal Marking states if it's 4-4-1-1. They have more 4-4-1-1 and even said United played 4-4-1-1 2011/2012 season.

See below too: I may have to fetch more later.

elampiro:
Chelsea 3-3 Manchester Unitedl
February 5, 2012

An exciting game featuring a classic Manchester United comeback.

Andre Villas-Boas was without Ashley Cole and John Terry, so had to field Jose Bosingwa at left-back and give a debut to Gary Cahill in the centre of defence. Frank Lampard and Ramires were also both out, so Florent Malouda came into the side with Chelsea changing formation.

Sir Alex Ferguson picked the expected side in a 4-4-1-1 shape. Chris Smalling had picked up an injury the day before, otherwise his promising partnership with Jonny Evans might have been retained at the back.

- Zonal Marking.

elampiro:
Against City when we started with 4-5-1 with JS Prk behind Rooney. Later SAF went to his USUAL formation.......

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Manchester City 1-0 Manchester United
May 1, 2012

First subs

First, Ferguson went for the obvious move – Park off, Danny Welbeck on upfront, and United moving to their usual 4-4-1-1. Rooney dropped deeper to become the number ten, and now Kompany and Lescott couldn’t move up towards Rooney and still keep a spare man behind, as they had Welbeck to deal with. Instead, Gareth Barry dropped onto Rooney and City retained 2 v 1 against Welbeck.s.

coogar:
he didn't play mostly in 4-4-1-1.
alex ferguson always used 4-4-2. it's his most preferred formation. just because a player is slightly behind the other does not split them. from that image, how come you are putting carrick & scholes in the same band? if scholes & carrick are in the same band, how come berba & rooney aren't in the same band?

Alex Ferguson played mostly 4-4-1-1. He said he used Rooney behind the striker. Rooney himself said he played behind the striker.

Carrick was our DM Scholes was our box to box. They didnt have same roles.

coogar:
van persie has won the league title!
it's the most prestigious trophy in england. who reckons with FA cup? why are the winners of the league title known as the english champions?

1 league title = 10 FA cups!



united played 2 games in that tournament! rooney's mates are winning golden boots on the league, champions league, euros & world cup and you are mentioning a competition the average football fan knows nothing of.

1. o you can defend a player? Ukwu!!! Okay, let me just allow it go because RVP is our player.

2. Rooney is number 10, he musnt win the golden boot in the league. He won best three forwards in the world. He won the PFA player of the year. He finished 5th best footballer in the world.