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coogar:
this is desperate even from you.
when all statistics have shown rooney was a striker in 11/12, you are counting the number of passes.

opta had it that rooney played in a 4-4-2. opta aren't an edo stats company. they know the difference between 4-4-2 & 4-4-1-1 or 4-2-3-1.

the few games rooney played in the hole were noted. the only game rooney played as a lone striker(city away) was noted.

man utd played 4-4-2 formation 31 times that season & that makes rooney one of the 2-striker formation that season.

coogar:
duh!
the gap between them is as a result of the time they spent on the pitch.

•1400 mins - hernandez
•2800 mins - rooney

only a complete fool would expect rooney & hernandez to produce similar set of shots.

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coogar:
this is stupidity!
in 2009, rooney was a lone striker. the burden of the goalscoring was entirely on his neck. in 2011, he had a strike partner. the burden of the goalscoring was shared between himself & chicha/welbeck/berbatov.

logic isn't your forte!

coogar:
idiocy is the only reason you would type this. you are trying to force evidence when there's none. the sentences are self explanatory.

rooney's low % of shots inside the box were skewed because of the shots he took outside the box(which included direct & indirect freekicks)

do you even understand setpieces include direct or indirect freekicks, corner kicks, etc. elampiro, you are not too old for adult education

11/12 season


09/10 season



so elampiro, did rooney also play in the hole in 09/10 to have taken a whooping 81 shots outside the box?

elampiro's mask of pretentious bullshyte has been ripped apart. you are a charlatan that deserves to be crucified.

coogar:
11/12 season


09/10 season



so elampiro, did rooney also play in the hole in 09/10 to have taken a whooping 81 shots outside the box?

elampiro's mask of pretentious bullshyte has been ripped apart. you are a charlatan that deserves to be crucified.

coogar:
this is a fraudulent statistics!
rooney's low percentage of shots taken inside the box were spiked because of his ridiculous number of set plays he took as shots from outside the box.

rooney(43 shots) + 8 penalties
chicha(9 shots)
welbeck(10 shots)
berbatov(3 shots) + 2 penalties


the true statistic would count only the shots taken via open play & not include setplays....

coogar:
this illiterate does not understand the meaning of shots taken from set piece. hopefully, oshiomole would start adult education and help your IQ.

you are criminally obtuse!

elampiro:
[b]1. 2011/12 season. Shots from inside and outside the box.

Name...........Outside the box............Inside the box
Rooney............... 84.........................73
Chicharito........... 6...........................41
Welbeck............. 14......................... 66
Berbatov............. 1...........................15

This says it all. Rooney played in the hole. 83% of Chicharito's shots were from inside the box. 82% of Welbeck's shots were from inside the box. 93% of Berba's shots were from inside the box. Only 46% of Rooney's shots were from inside the box.



2. Further Breakdown.
Name.........Outside the box......Inside the penalty area.....Inside the six yard box
Rooney............... 84.........................59.............................14
Chicharito........... 6...........................29............................ 12
Welbeck............. 14......................... 57..............................9
Berbatov............. 1...........................13..............................2

Now look at Rooney shots from inside the 6 yard box. Rooney played a whole 2839 minutes and had just 14 shots inside the 6 yard box. Chicharito played only 1477 and had 12 shots inside the box, almost as Rooney had.
[/b]


3. Shots outside of the box in 2011/2012
Rooney = every 33.8 mins
Chicharito= every 246.2 mins
Welbeck = every 144 minutes (Welbeck played on the wings too which boosted his shot outside the bix but nothing near Rooney's figure)
Berbatov= every 513 mins.





I will be back later. This says it all that Rooney played in the hole. Yori Yori.

coogar:
that's because a guy known elampiro here has a doctorate degree in lying.

rooney played in the hole in 11/12 and his minute/chance created is 56 mins.

other centre forwards in the league had....

RVP - 36 mins per chance
aguero - 46 mins per chance
adebayor - 47 mins per chance.

what is rooney doing in the hole if the supposedly goalscorers were creating chances at a higher rate than rooney?

coogar:
this is a fraudulent statistics!
rooney's low percentage of shots taken inside the box were spiked because of his ridiculous number of set plays he took as shots from outside the box.

rooney(43 shots) + 8 penalties
chicha(9 shots)
welbeck(10 shots)
berbatov(3 shots) + 2 penalties


the true statistic would count only the shots taken via open play & not include setplays....

coogar:
you are still lying in the face of evidence?
you are an edo born truly. lying with impunity is a hobby there. i said rooney took 43 shots from setpieces & anyone with common sense would know that includes direct freekicks, shots from corner kicks or even indirect freekicks outside the box. if your comprehension skills lead you to believe all the 43 shots were direct freekicks then blame your poor knowledge of the language.

coogar:
which 51 shots from inside the box. so rooney has 51 shots inside the box including all the direct freekicks he took? you might have to thaw the 2 brain cells in your cranium. it's frozen.

rooney played in the hole and he was the poorest chance creator amongst all the elite strikers in the league that year? even an ant knows you have been found out as the biggest liar this forum had seen.

coogar:
who wrote this?


abi your 3rd wife has been logging into your NL account to write nonsense? look at what you replied to:-

https://www.nairaland.com/871307/official-manchester-united-fan-thread/1654#34181721

coogar:
and you are still lying here you didn't dispute my figures or lied that i added all his shots in all competitions. you need spiritual deliverance.
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coogar:
no, it shows he played more minutes & shot more because he was the designated set piece taker. ronaldo had left & van persie hadn't arrived.
i didn't say so.....statistics said so. chicharito had 10 shots from set pieces.

coogar:
everything that doesn't go your way is fraudulent. unfortunately, we know who to believe. i would be damned to believe an elampawa that vowed he saw scholes/keane in 1999 final of the champions league.
chicharito had 6 shots outside the box...

coogar:
all of a sudden, elampawa has forgotten the bit where he disputed the figures cos he thought they were from all competitions. is this selective amnesia or digital blindness?
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coogar:
this was the era rooney deliberately used to stand at the edge of the box to attempt his ridiculous volleys from corner kicks - trying to score his wonder-goals. besides, 90% of those set pieces were direct freekicks from mr. rooney.

coogar:
chicharito had 6 shots outside the box...
10 shots from set piece(including 1 penalty kick) shots from set piece includes headers or shots he converted from another player's curved freekick or corner kick.

coogar:

of chicha's 47 shots,
6 were from outside the box, 12 in the 6-yard box & 29 from the penalty box.

rooney had double the number of minutes chicharito had & rooney had 51 extra shots from set piece to chicharito's 10. so how can you conclude rooney played behind when 1/3 of his shots were from freekicks outside the box?

are you a dreamer?

coogar:
why are you arguing like an illiterate?
firstly, you said rooney didn't take up to 157 shots that in the league that season even when his stats clearly showed he's having 4.6 shots per game. is 157/34 not 4.6?

coogar:
you lied i had counted all the shots rooney took in other competitions which means you don't even have any idea about how statistics are compiled. you have no clue, you cannot even understand numbers so i am not sure you are intellectually mature enough to speak on this matter.

in 11/12 season.....
rooney took 157 shots in 2839 mins
chicharito took 47 shots in 1477 mins

of rooney's 157 shots,
84 were from outside the box, 14 in the 6-yard box & 59 from the penalty box.

of chicha's 47 shots,
6 were from outside the box, 12 in the 6-yard box & 29 from the penalty box.

coogar:
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rooney had double the number of minutes chicharito had & rooney had 51 extra shots from set piece to chicharito's 10. so how can you conclude rooney played behind when 1/3 of his shots were from freekicks outside the box?
are you a dreamer?

sinizia:
You argue blindly. Nobody had said that Ozil has met his expectations at Arsenal yet. He hasn't delivered to the standards Arsenal expect of him. Ozil wasn't in this equation, you brought him into this all in the name of saving face for your Rooney.!

sinizia:
The fact is that Ozil won't be bought by ANY team for the purpose of scoring goals. He's not a striker!! Stop this useless argument. Also, Rooney will never be bought by ANY team for the sake of creating assists or the midfield role which is Ozil's job.

sinizia:
. When Mourinho came for Rooney, wasn't he looking for a striker due to he had Chelshit flops like Torres and Eto'o or not? I'm sure you will bring another lame excuse as to why Mourinho was came to buy Rooney to spearhead his attacks.

sinizia:
Rooney scored those goals (1 away goal all season) while eating €300K per week, but other strikers eating as less as £50K per week outscored him in Europe. That's why we are mad at Rooney!! He's over-paid!! Hole or no hole. He's a striker and he's spent. He needs to be sold or take a pay cut!!

coogar:
you are just writing epistles - how come rooney mansged 4.6 shots per game while chicharito managed just 1.7 shots per game? even in the debut season of chicharito when he was the most prolific, his shots per game was just 2.
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coogar:
how is rooney finding the magic to shoot almost 5 times per game from a withdrawn position. rooney is the most unselfish player in the world. he would pass the ball if his strike partner is in a better position......so how did his stats rack that high on shots & yet he had a very low assist from the hole?
you are confused!

coogar:
lol.



rooney took 157 shots in total....
102 were from open play
43 were from set plays
and 8 were penalties.

coogar:
rooney has 100 assists in 13 EPL seasons. it's not even up to 8 league assists per season.

did ozil not cop 9 assists last season? what's the biggie about rooney's 100 league assists?

coogar:
this is a fraudulent statistics!
rooney's low percentage of shots taken inside the box were spiked because of his ridiculous number of set plays he took as shots from outside the box.

rooney(43 shots) + 8 penalties
chicha(9 shots)
welbeck(10 shots)
berbatov(3 shots) + 2 penalties


the true statistic would count only the shots taken via setplays.....not the overall shots!

sinizia:
Sometimes i don't get this Elampawa guy. Who the fúck will talk about Ozil or buy Ozil if not for his assists and ability to create chances for the strikers? Who in his sane mind will talk about Rooney and leave out goals and talk about the assist he will create? When Chelshit was coming for Rooney, is it not for him to attack? If Chelshit had gotten Rooney would Costa still be bought? I don't even know you are still arguing this with Elams, he'll never agree with anybody.

coogar:
chicharito's number of minutes in 11/12 & 10/11 were similar. he had 1477 mins in 11/12 & 1482 mins in 10/11. his shots per game in 11/12 was 1.7 & it was 2 shots per game in 10/11(his most prolific season for us).

so how come rooney was able to cop double the amount of chicharito's most prolific season in the hole? come on - you should know your theory doesn't add up that rooney was in the hole in 11/12. he played alongside chicharito that season & this was why he was angry when he was dropped behind RVP the following season.




assists?
who remembers assists when talking about the football greats like messi, ronaldo, falcao, RVP, henry? like i have said.....rooney's poor performance as a goalscorer is the reason irrelevant stats get brought up.

with rooney - you have to consider his form, fitness, starting position, defensive contribution, weather, oversized boots, family issues, etc when talking about his goal stats. he's a mediocre player. only mediocre players need a boat load of excuses to perform.



hazard is wack!
as a player, he is not as good as david silva. you kowtow opinions while i stick with facts produced by simple statistics.

robben is a good player but at his age, no one would pay more than £15m for him. he's hardly fit & he is not marketable enough to sell shirts. the value of players goes beyond pitch performance.



they are very bad!
we are talking about 13 seasons here. 13 full seasons of football & he's got only 187 league goals to show for it. it is atrocious - you can paint it anyhow you want. ronaldo only just completed his 6th season in madrid, do we need to remind you how many league goals he's scored in spain as a winger?

coogar:
so central midfield is now the wing?

coogar:
this is untrue....
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coogar:
i am saying his 187 EPL goals in 13 seasons is a disgrace to him especially when he's been a constant feature in the most dominant team in the land.

coogar:
rooney played behind the striker but it was rooney that recorded 4.6 shots per game to chicharito's 1.7 shots per game.

rooney took 14 shots in the 6-yard box, 59 shots in the penalty area & 84 shots from outside the box in 11/12 season.

on top of it all, rooney had only 4 league assists to show for that season and you are lying to us rooney played in the hole.