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coogar: i do not like argument - i only resent intransigent souls like yourself who put forward conjectures to back your claims after being found out.



this does not explain why you think de gea has performed worse than cech or hart! you have resorted to your usual nonsense again to mask your weak arguments! what has different managers and different styles got to do with the role of a goalkeeper? formations and tactics do not involve goalkeepers. 4-5-1, 4-4-2, 4-2-3-1, 4-3-3, 3-5-2, etc do not involve goalkeepers - so your point above is null and void!



which other forums? your facebook forums filled with plastic football fans? how many games did united win this season with jones playing in the midfield? did jones play in the midfield in stamford bridge? etihad? st james' park? big games my foot!



another weak argument - carrick as the best midfielder and rio being one of the best centre-halves means we have a good defence? as if those 2 can effectively prevent a goalkeeper from conceding........how many shots from outside the box did united concede in comparison to shots inside the box? you are just making conjectures over and over again. the era of de gea getting tested with long range shots was in his debut season - that era is long gone. his supposed weakness is commanding his box in aerial assault situations and that is within the penalty box(not outside)!



PFA award is mostly a popularity contest......
apart from baines, de gea, suarez, RVP, bale and mata, the other players on that list are easily debatable!



conceded a penalty or a corner kick?
why won't you put players around him when opponents put players in front of him to hinder his jump? you mean city don't put defenders around hart and chelsea players don't protect cech? other clubs don't put men on either post to make goal line clearances? lololololol. you really need to brush up your football intelligence.

Your first paragraph. When people attack the person instead of going logical, know they have run out of ideas.

The only point I will respond to is about Jones. United won in Ethihad and Stamford bridge, but we were completely outplayed in the midfield. The referee had a hand in our vicory in Stamford Bridge, we were completely outplayed even when Chelsea went a man down. Newcasle is not among he top teams. You may also have to consider the number of matches Jones played in that position that we won or drew against the ones we lost. Remember the away game to Madrid.

When you talk about United facebook fan page and the United facebook page, you should know that most of the followers are in Old Trafford, Manchester, then Asia and rest of the world. It is not a Nigerian site. So don't try to belittle it. The administrators are ex-internationals.

As I said earlier, we hardly get to see other keepers being shielded, if at all it has to be one defender. Yet even when the crossing comes in, they still jump. However, I want to close the De Gea argument. Since PFA has awarded him, so be it. I want to believe I will be watching him next season with a relaxed mind.

Fabville: You are only looking for a way to excuse Hart from that school boy error. De Gea have made a lot of point-blank saves this season irrespective of whether it is from close range or not. If he reads the game so well as you have claimed, why didn't he position himself well to prevent the ball entering his 'Toros'? The errors Hart made this season is more than three.

I don't believe in whatever anybody says, i believe in statistics and statistics are facts.

I didn't say our defense was weak. I only said that at the beginning of the season, our defense line was not stable because of injuries. A defense that had Carrick as a central defender at some point. A defense that kept changing week in week out will always open the goalie to so many goals because there will be no understanding. What makes a good defense is good defenders and stability. I am not doubting the ability of Rio. He started 25 games, Jonny Evans 19 games while Vidic played 16 games. He is the most consistent and regular out of the four central defenders we have. These are the kind of things that will make a goalkeeper concede goals anyhow.

"most times were defenders plus forwards working very hard to ensure no shot gets to the goal. I had a feeling these affected our attack in some instances because balls cleared into play immediately fell to the opponents as United players were mostly in the box"
I do not believe this because Man Utd scored the most goals from open play in EPL this season. They scored 50 goals from open play and if they are "too shielding their goalie" then they wouldn't have been able to score that amount of goals from open play.

Statistics don't tell it all. A goal keeper might save 10 weak shots as against another who saved 4 dangerous close range or dangerous shot. Still, a goalkeeper may have failed to prevent a danger from a crossing into his box, then he manages to save a threat from the resulting play, that will count as a plus. Whereas the other who moved off his line all the way to pick a corner kick had saved his team from unnecessary stress. The statistic might be against the latter, but he is the better 'manager' of his office (he is in charge of his area).

Also, you should know Chelsea too have not had a stable backline this season.

Lastly, if statistics were all in Bale shouldn't have won the best player. Perhaps, they considered his effort in helping the overall build up to attack. He also has some solos. Another argument against statistics is Mikel style of play. I am sure he has the best pass rate in the EPL over the years, but his pattern is mostly of trying to keep it safe. If I were a coach, I would prefer risk takers and adventurous like Toure. Toure may sometimes lose possession but everyone can see how much his game is worth. I also like Ramires and Louis. I love it when Ramires breaks and goes on a long drive into the opponents area.

Sir Alex Ferguson has confirmed he has plans in place to improve his Manchester United squad in the summer.

He is convinced he has the players at the club to provide a solid foundation for the next five years but is still keen to add quality where possible.

"You have to look at the structure of the club at present, in terms of the number of first-team players we have at 23 or under,

"David De Gea, Rafael, Phil Jones, Chris Smalling, Alex Büttner, Nick Powell, Tom Cleverley and Danny Welbeck, Shinji Kagawa and Chicharito are 24. Jonny Evans is 25 and Wayne Rooney is hitting his peak at 27.

"Older players like Ryan Giggs, Paul Scholes and Rio Ferdinand may be coming towards the end of their careers, but these younger players are the foundation for the next five or six years, irrespective of the players breaking through, like Adnan Januzaj, the Belgian boy, who's really looking very good.

"Hopefully the players we bring into the club in the next year or so will be of the quality we need. We're competitive in the market - we're not Chelsea or Manchester City in terms of money but we're competitive.

We've been doing a bit of work on that over the last three or four months, targeting who the players are that we feel could enhance us, make us better or help us maintain the level we're at." <Source: Skysports>

FACT: Man Utd are now the only team not to concede a penalty in the League this season and the only team not to receive a red card.

coogar: close range shot and the ball went between hart's legs? are you shïtting me? how much more of hart's änus would you lick just to save your face? over here, we put our hands up when we make a bad call. this is why we all paid tributes to ruudie with the lewandowski angle - he was the only one that called it some 14 months ago.



isn't that the job of the midfield? united conceded the most shots in the top 6, is that de gea's fault? you are just talking rubbish whilst trying to save face. other teams use natural defensive midfielders(destroyers), united have carrick(a deep-lying playmaker) to dictate the play and cut out opponents through interceptions and we often partnered carrick with misfits like giggs and jones.



and fergie called gary neville an idïot when he made that statement. in the same match, schmeichel said without de gea, the score would have been 4-1 to spurs. he made 3 world class saves to keep the scoreline respectable!



united had a better organised defence than chelsea? you must have watched your football upside down. compute the number of shots conceded by both teams and get back to me. chelsea protected their goalkeeper more than united did. shots conceded is the determinant.

I knew you were going to write again because you like argument too much. And your style of argument needs plenty of time devotion. Obviously no one can keep pace with that except there has to be another Coogar. I also think you can be more polite in your writing.

On the topic, let everyone keep his/her opinion as we can never reach a compromise on this. It only tells why coaches adopt different pattern, and sometimes different players in the same team. If Mourinho were to come to United today, some of our supposed best players might not find it easy again. Same if another coach had to come, some other players may not find favour with his pattern.

Here we don't think anything good in Jones playing midfield, some other forum think if not for him we wouldn't survive the big matches. In some cases, I agreed. Like the Everton game, he was marvelous. But Carrick and Cleverly paired in most matches more than any.

Carrick is said to be the best defensive midfielder while Ferdinand the best defender. To me this means we had the best defence protecting the goalkeeper. We are now looking at PFA rating. When it come to shot at goal, a lot of opponents were only trying their luck in De Gea cause they knew he is still learning, that is the reason there were so many shots at goal. Most of them were from far withou much threat. No one would unnecessarily try Hart or Cech that way.

I don't intend to argue this too much because PFA have spoken. So we take it that the players selected are the best this season. If I had to continue my argument it won't end, because I will also want to compare Carrick and Toure. As for Ferdinand, I am not a fan of his deep defensive style and sluggish play, though I still hold him to a high esteem.

Lest I forget, whenever United conceded a penalty, what do you usually see around De Gea? How many EPL does that happen to? You see two or three players (Carrick, Welbeck and Rooney) always shielding him. And if a header eventually comes through it has to be Rafael, RVP or Evra clearing from goal line while De Gea turns a spectator. Anyone watching our matches regularly should know what I am talking about.

Sezua: hw many home based players exactly?...mschew

Sezua visit the link below, you were arguing with me blindly. You asked when Man United played two consecutive UCL finals. If you dont know why cant you ask?

https://www.nairaland.com/1265949/bayern-munich-vs-barcelona-ucl/29

Sezua: whch tym man u play two consecutive finals?...re u a learner?

You are the learner. Man United defeated Chelsea in 2008. Then lost to Barca in 2009. You don't know football at all.

Fabville: I don't know from which perspective you watch matches. Did you watch Man City vs West Ham? Since De Gea arrived in England, he has never made such error. Most of the errors made by Hart in this season are school boys errors that De Gea have never made. You need to concede to superior argument when you see one. No matter how you look at it he is the best goalie this season. That was our (Coogar and i0I) argument and we supported it with facts while you depended so much on some articles written by Alan Hansen & co.
You said defenders over laboured to protect him. I totally disagree because he was so much alive to his duties as a good goalie even when we didn't have a stable defence line because of injuries. If not for his sharp reflexes we wouldn't have won this title the way we have won it. Defenders are supposed to give protection to their goalie as their primary duty. But if you don't have good/stable defence line, then you don't have to blame goalie for conceding goals cos there is a limit to what he can do.

The West Ham goal was a close range shot from Carroll, that can beat anyone. Hart may have made a few errors, I guess not more than three. What I look at is goalkeepers overall ability to read the game. His movement off his line to pick corner kicks and crosses before they get to players, his positioning , the way the defenders relax around him, I.e the overall team reliance and dependence on he goalkeeper. For these, Cech and Hart are far ahead of De Gea.

You guys keep mentioning articles. I only used those articles to corroborate my opinion about the goalkeeper. At least I am not the only one who has noticed the lapses. What I saw most times were defenders plus forwards working very hard to ensure no shot gets to the goal. I had a feeling these affected our attack in some instances because balls cleared into play immediately fell to the opponents as United players were mostly in the box. I didn't get to see any other keeper being shielded or protected by two defenders.

Even Gary Nevile said, the defenders would be nervous of what is behind them. I perfectly understood him as he spoke my mind, my worry.

You made mentioned that our defense was weak. Hmmm, I would have agreed, but considering Ferdinand who was voted best central back was in the defence, I wouldn't agree anymore. Ferdinand played more than any other central defender, and he is a master organizer. He paired Evans more than anyone else, Evans is no longer a baby defender in Europe. In my opinion, I think United had a better organized defence than Chelsea.

Sir Alex Ferguson has warned Chelsea not to expect an easy ride against Manchester United next weekend despite the United already winning the Premier League title.

Sir Alex has reassured Arsène Wenger United will give 100 per cent against Chelsea and that United will be looking to beat last season’s Champions League winners.

“We’ve got Chelsea next week and they’re fighting for a Champions League place, we’ve got to honour the rest of the teams that are trying to get there.

“Nobody could say that we relaxed too much at Arsenal. We showed good aggression again in the second half in particular and with a bit more composure in front of goal I thought we could have won the game.” <Source: thesportsreview­.com>

Buzzing for De Gea! Selected alongside Michael, Robin and Rio in the PFA Team of the Year! Well deserved lads! -Rooney, on his facebook page.

Gary Neville feels the current champions are only at the beginning of their cycle.

Neville wrote in the Mail on Sunday: "You can always sense when a United team are coming to the end of a cycle and when they are growing.

"This team are definitely in the latter category. There were seven players winning the Premier League for the first time.

"And when I look at players like Jonny Evans, Chris Smalling, Phil Jones, Rafael, Tom Cleverley, Danny Welbeck, Shinji Kagawa and Javier Hernandez, I can see them doing the same as those Dortmund and Bayern players.

"What all those players have in common, and what is crucial to the modern game, is that they can all run - and quickly.

"But I would imagine Sir Alex will have been invigorated from watching Borussia Dortmund and Bayern Munich and will have thought: 'Right, we missed out this year. But I'm going to get my players into that mentality so that we're going to be there in 2014 and 2015.'

"This United team are on an upward curve. Monday wasn't the summit of their potential achievements. It was one of the smaller peaks along to the way to the summit." <Source: Tribal Football>

coogar: elampiro, come back and eat your vomitus.
de gea is the best goalie in the division as i predicted almost 6 weeks ago. alan hansen and dailymirror have you fooled!

No one fooled me, it is what I watched and saw. If today I am a coach of a team, I will start Cech, Hart ahead of De Gea in that order. But since the EPL officials have said he is the best, I rest my argument even though I highly disagree. In about 70% of our matches this season, De Gea made me nervous, I actually think the players over laboured to protect him. Even against Aston Villa he fumbled a simple crossing into the 18 box and it was RVP who cleared again from goal line in the resulting corner. These are suppose to be simple balls for goalkeepers.

Remember too, Bale won the best player. Is he really the best?

All these dos and donts in relationship are the real reasons relationship don't last these days. Instead of raw (free flow affection), people dish out cooked or artificial affection based on what they have read or taught about love. Our grandfathers didn't read all these yet they kept their relationships.

coogar: rooney was shyte all through the time he was on the pitch!

Na wa! Else where people are voting Rooney or Jones as the man of the match. May be it depends on the way we look at things. Last week SAF said Jones will be the United greatest ever.

coogar: i am not even sure giggs has the best final ball - he's a hit n miss player.
under no circumstances should jones/giggs be starting ahead of cleverley and anderson in the midfield. we lose a lot of urgency in the midfield with those quacks.

valencia did not improve one jot - he had the pace and the power to bully gibbs but he kept hesitating. SAF is a complete idiöt when it comes to substitution. he should have taken out jones and rooney for anderson and hernandez respectively in the 70th minute. giggs had no business on the pitch today. he stank the whole joint and wasted the best chance in the game.

Personally, I always want Rooney to finish our games (play the whole 90 minutes).

coogar: stüpid decision - it could have been nani through on goal at the death when giggsy's snailspeed allowed arsenal defenders to catch up before wasting the chance. giggs' first touch was useless and his finish was horrible.

nani is our best winger - he's the only winger we now have that can beat his marker. valencia should have been taken off instead of nani. anderson was also impressive when he came on. he brought some urgency to the immobile midfield. we could have easily won that game had fergie been smarter with his subs.

Agreed. Nani is the only winger who can beat his marker, and he does it with ease. I think SAF non encouragement of him is making him not to play freely, thereby resulting in some small errors. If he were the one that was through, he would have since been lost- off the sight of his markers. Valencia improved so much, but his final balls were not so perfect, although he gave the crosses. Giggs has the best final balls among the winger, I think that's why SAF keep playing him, but he was not needed today. Anderson did very well. Consistency has always been his problem. This is the time SAF should give Nani and Anderson games to see what possibly they will be doing in the future.

SailorXY: Even tho I didn't see the game, from the line up sef I wouldn't expect a good performance. Kagawa on the bench, natural midfielders on the bench for a defender to play their position, Rooney still started with his atrocious form, Chicharito & Buttner overlooked even tho this is the amp opportunity to given them much needed encouragement, Nani couldn't be allowed to complete 90' cuz a "certain legend" MUST grace the pitch!
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.Abegii, we for allow arsenal win by the way! Anyone but chelshit

No na. The selection was ok and the game too. There was nothing Kagawa could have done special today. Jones' work today was to soak pressure in the defensive midfield and I believed he did it very well. His energy perfectly complemented Carrick today, and Anderson also did well there when he came in.

It's wrong to criticize Rooney, he is the hub of the team, and an average Rooney is better than over 90% of players in the EPL. His retention of possession is magnificent, he hardly loses possession. So many time he freed Valencia with good balls, he always made himself available thereby creating an option to his colleagues to make a pass. His reading of the game is second to none.

I honestly don't think Butner is capable of replacing Evra, neither do I see him as a big game player.
You mentioned that United should have allowed Arsenal to win. I honestly thought that was what they were up to in the first half, even in the second half there was no so much hunger to finish off in the Arsenal 18.

n0m0705: There was no better way to answer all those stupid arsenal fans that were booing RVP, did anyone noticed that after he scored that penalty the boos reduced drastically, they were all praying for their survival. Bunch of hypocrites

Arsenal fans undoing themselves. The booing made van Persie to take it personal. No wonder Adebayo celebrated in their front.

Sir Alex Ferguson:
"We got caught on the backfoot in the first 20 mins. The referee found it difficult to determine what was a good and bad tackle.

"Podolski committed two yellow-card tackles while we were booked for our first tackle. It was unusual for us to get so many bookings - we have a good disciplinary record.

"Walcott was apparently was offside for his goal. The referee apologised to Rio Ferdinand saying he got it wrong. It wasn't his fault - it was the linesman's. It was an uphill fight for us after losing the first goal."

On Van Persie's penalty:
"He's taken three so far. It takes bottle to take a penalty when the crowd are booing. We have a great spirit of applauding players when they come back to our club. I expected the booing to be honest with you."

Sir Alex Ferguson:
"We got caught on the backfoot in the first 20 mins. The referee found it difficult to determine what was a good and bad tackle.

"Podolski committed two yellow-card tackles while we were booked for our first tackle. It was unusual for us to get so many bookings - we have a good disciplinary record.

"Walcott was apparently was offside for his goal. The referee apologised to Rio Ferdinand saying he got it wrong. It wasn't his fault - it was the linesman's. It was an uphill fight for us after losing the first goal."

On Van Persie's penalty:
"He's taken three so far. It takes bottle to take a penalty when the crowd are booing. We have a great spirit of applauding players when they come back to our club. I expected the booing to be honest with you."

StarBoard: Don't know what to make of this performance.
Very subdued.
Like they still are on a high after last Monday.
If they play like this next Sunday, Chelsea will beat us.

They did well in the second half. The final balls were only the problems. Giggs could have finished them off, he wasn't lucky. Valencia needed a good pass to put Nani through, but he hit it too hard. Looks like some players were not bothered about getting a win today.

I am concerned about Nani, will he stay?

SAF substitution of Nani at 80th minute didn't make sense to me. Nani is one player that should be on the field all through 90 minutes of the remaining fixtures.

Nani substituted late. He was not happy even as Ferguson shook him.

Nani substituted late. He is not happy even as Ferguson tries to shake him.

IYA NGBALI: Honestly I don't mind us losing to arsenal just to show some appreciation for selling RVP to us and to give them the chance to qualify for the top 4. UNITED TILl ETERNITY

Exactly.

Sir Alex Ferguson admits he has been given the funds to strengthen his Premier League title-winning squad in the summer transfer period.

Ferguson now has the transfer kitty needed to further increase his options where he deems necessary, and the Scot has revealed he has two positions he is currently considering adding to in the transfer window.

"Having spoken with the Glazer family, there is every intention to kick on. We possibly need two players. It depends. If a player came along who met our criteria we would push the boat out and get him, irrespective of how many players we have.

"Chelsea will definitely be involved next season, they have some good players and it looks likely Mourinho will be going there.

"I said last week I don't mind winning the league in the last game of the season, but now we have won it with four games left, I look at it being one thing to win the league and another to do it by beating the record.

"Ninety-six points would be phenomenal. I don't know if that could ever be beaten." <Source: Football411.com­>

Such is what you get when Pastors keep preaching money and prosperity, instead of repentance and salvation.

Caught red handed. Unmasked and exposed. Lol

The coach should look for another goalkeeper, then a solid central defender. These were our weaknesses in the matches against Tunisia and Ivory Coast. The goalkeeper doesn't calculate his movement in aerial balls while the central defenders allowed Tunisia to bullied them with set pieces.

SailorXY: .
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I couldn't agree less

Statistics don't tell it all. That is why you have Wellbeck playing despite not scoring. Chicharito's off days are too bad. You might not even see him in 15 minutes and when he eventually touches the ball, he makes nonsense passes. Unlike Wellbeck, he never had an off day. SAF so much value his overall contribution and work rate. Then RVP despite having less goals ratio than Chicharito, his overall play cannot be ignored. Chicharito is more like a situation player, the opposition has to be right and tactics adjusted to suit his game.

Hmmmm, so if an opposition party as the CAN are holding a video online conference the government will be able to see the details. Hahahahaa.

It's real big brother. I don't know what to say. I can't say if this is good or bad. Bu the terrorist communicate more with phones, why haven't the telecom companies being able to give adequate info to Nigeria security agents?

Tonto Dike is now what people used in reaching front page. Plenty of the treads are just meaningless.

I can guess Tonto has a connection with Seun. May be they had a kiss somewhere in an event, and Seun has not forgotten about it since, so he instructed his team to always push her to front page. Lol