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patrickmuf:
I said Alves created more chances for Messi than any other forward he played with and you're telling me about Xavi...You opined that strikers should create chances for themselves and in response I told you that most of Messi chances were created by Alves a RB and not his fellow strikers in a bid to show you the effect of Fullbacks in progressive football.

patrickmuf:
I am watching matchday on Supersport 3 right now and Paul Scholes just corroborated everything I and a few others have been saying. He said we are better off attacking than defending thus he saw no reason why Ole made that sub.
He also said we don't have an identity with regards to the constant changes in formation. For him, there's no reason for us to line up with 3 CBs against Sheffield United irrespective of their current form.
When the talk of missing McTominay came up, he and Sherwood said that the fact we are missing McSauce shows how far the standard has dropped.

Elampiro, rather listen to Neville, you should pay more attention to Scholes.

patrickmuf:
I am saying with those guys behind them, they'd have looked way better...Alves created the most chances for Messi not Henry or Eto'o at any point or Villa or Ibra neither did Pedro or Cuenca. Xavi topped the assist chart at some point. Of late, Alba has done a good job making for for the creativity on the wings.

If what I have typed above isn't clear to you then we can move on to something else....

patrickmuf:
Read what I wrote again.

patrickmuf:
I am saying with those guys behind them, they'd have looked way better...Alves created the most chances for Messi not Henry or Eto'o at any point or Villa or Ibra neither did Pedro or Cuenca. Xavi topped the assist chart at some point. Of late, Alba has done a good job making for for the creativity on the wings.

If what I have typed above isn't clear to you then we can move on to something else....

patrickmuf:
Are you saying that Messi, Suarez and Griezemann will be comfortable with Fred and Pereira behind them? Will a coach that starts 5 defenders against a relatively weak opposition excite a Barcelona fan?

Are you underestimating the importance of a great supporting cast? Will Barcelona and Messi win the same number of trophies with Fred, Pereira and McTominay behind them rather than Xavi, Iniesta and Busquets? Will they be so dominant with Wan-Bissaka and Young/Williams rather than Alves and Abidal/Alba?

patrickmuf:
The problem with your argument is that you're looking at Nani as an individual without taking into context the quality of players he played with. In that clip you shared, I could see Evra, Anderson, Park, Rooney who are all better than what we currently parade...

I'm sure if you look at the starting line up of that team, even De Gea will struggle to displace Van Der Sar. Now imagine a Martial or Rashford in that team surrounded with top players and a world class coach in Fergie, won't they look better? At least I'm certain Martial is a very good dribbler.

biomustry:
Man United should go for Pochetino

patrickmuf:
Some weeks back, I think it was Nani's birthday, clips of his goals and skills flooded Twitter and he was getting all the praise whilst most folks spent time demeaning our current crop but I like a few others knew too well it was the same Nani much like Rashford and Martial that frustrated fans when he was here maybe he was a bit better but then, he played with much better players and he was more experienced. I have seen Rashford chop defenders with that move, Martial too has his fair share of great moments but you can't compare how easier it was to play alongside the crop of players we had then and now.

weedtaker:
Go and Watch them first oga.

weedtaker:
Have you watched Leicester dis season?, do you honestly think Ayoze perez, Jamie vardy and Harvey Barnes have better dribbling skills than james, Martial and Beanz?

patrickmuf:
Lol you talk as if it was just Nani and Berbatov just so you can have a go at the ones you despair. In that move, Evra was pivotal. Notice when he reverse the pass to Berbatov he kept bombing forward and in the edge of the box you had Anderson with Rooney and Park dragging defenders all over the place. In one attack, we have 5 players in or around the box. On Sunday it wasn't the case until we were 2 goals down.

MRTA7:
Arsenal made a smart move. Smh

Was hoping they would wait so we can remain rubbish together.

Leyqute:
Mou doesn't have a huge ego?

Leyqute:
He also has a huge ego and puts himself before climate change.

BikeMan:
You people sacked Mourinho to hire Ole. Sad!

KingTom:
Jones earns more than Smalling

patrickmuf:
Our best bet is a 4-3-3 especially against small teams. The 3-5-2 or 3-4-1-2 should only apply when we are up against the big team.

Back to the game, playing 3 CBs against Sheffield United is stuff of mediocrity.

Greenwood is not Messi and please don't make my point about him, I said we'd have been better off with Greenwood or Lingard starting in place of Jones and that's my annoyance with Ole. He left our Midfield exposed to the pressure of Sheffield because they simply had more bodies in the centre. If you're okay with such negative lineup against Sheffield United, I am not and never will be...

patrickmuf:
Apples and oranges...Against Chelsea, when Martial was brought on who was taken off and what was our front line like? I am telling you that taking off Jones who shouldn't have started and Pereira off for Lingard and Greenwood as well as pushing our fullbacks forward is the boldest move Ole has made since he was appointed. For a start, I would have started either one of Greenwood or Lingard in place of Jones and I believe we would've been better for it.

Talking about Greenwood, it is funny you're comparing him to Chicharito. You said "might" meaning you're not certain how it would have panned out so, why the Chicharito comparison? Why not use another striker who has gone on to be a success here like Rooney? It's not like Greenwood plays like Chicharito sef.

You need to understand that football has changed, it has move on from the days when the primary responsibility of a defender was to defend. Nowadays, attacks starts from the back, Ederson and Alisson are renowned for thier dangerous long kicks from the back. if a defender's primary responsibility is to defend then Mangala would still be at City.

patrickmuf:
I can't remember.

The question is simple, do you think we'd have fared better if Greenwood started in place of Jones?

And when you say it was a formation change, what formation were we playing when Martial, Rashford, James, Lingard and Greenwood were all on the pitch?

What is your take on Williams goal, should he have joined the attack in that instance or stayed back expecting the strikers to score?

patrickmuf:
Give me other instances when Ole has gone all out to chase a game...At some point, we had Rashford, James, Martial, Greenwood and Lingard all on the pitch. That's 5 attacking players as against 3 in the first half and you think it's rocket science that we did better in the 2nd half.

patrickmuf:
Are you saying you don't understand the impact of having one more body in attack? Why did your useless coach opt for Jones when he could easily have started Greenwood?

patrickmuf:
Neville is talking about joke, what an irony.

In the same game we saw the front 3 come alive in the 2nd half not like we replaced them with Ronaldo, Rooney and Tevez so why is no one rather talking about the fact that Ole goofed with his team selection and tactics in the first half or is it because he is a legend? I am certain that if Mou was the coach, Neville would have had other things to say.

patrickmuf:
Please watch the 1st and 2nd half again. In the first half, the forwards were left to do it all on their own. In the 2nd half, our fullbacks pushed higher up the pitch same as the two midfielders and our centre backs were stationed just around the midfield area making the field compact and helping us recover possession in more dangerous areas.
We had more bodies in attack thus it was more difficult for Sheffield to keep their shape. It's what was on display, go and watch the match again and don't just depend on flash score for who scored or who assisted to draw conclusions.