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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 5:50pm On Nov 04, 2019
raumdeuter:
How many chances has Gundogan created this season
Only 12
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 5:47pm On Nov 04, 2019
raumdeuter:
Who are the midfielders here
This is not their only formation. They also play 4-2-3-1

Even at 4-3-3, KDB is not always in the middle three. While at middle three, he plays high given the freedom to move into the attacking zone just like Lampard did for Jose Mourinho 4-3-3. Pogba does that for us too
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 5:27pm On Nov 04, 2019
raumdeuter:
How do you know Debruynes chance created are not from set pieces?
Even Silva, Mata and Fabregas used to create from set piece when they top the chances created chart. Does Rashford not take set plays? The rest front guys are shit at set plays, so Ashley Young does what they should be doing.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 5:25pm On Nov 04, 2019
raumdeuter:
How many chances has Gundogan created this season
It is not his primary work to create. So he is allowed to be behind the front guys.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 5:24pm On Nov 04, 2019
If you are playing 4-2-3-1,

Bulk of chances created should primarily come from the front 4 (three attacking players behind one CF),.

If you are playing 4-3-3, one extra midfielder should have a responsibility for chances created. This is where Pogba will come in. If he cannot, he has failed together with the front three.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 5:20pm On Nov 04, 2019
raumdeuter:
Ashley Young also created almost the number of chances as Mahrez and Sterling. So can we say Young is an attacker like Sterling?
about 60% are from set plays. Just like Lenton Baines used to have almost as high chances created and Assist with Mata and Silva
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 5:17pm On Nov 04, 2019
raumdeuter:
So who are the midfielders in Man City?
Gundogan and Rodrigo
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 5:13pm On Nov 04, 2019
Chances created Manchester United
Ashley Young 18
Rashford 15
Pogba 13
Perreira 12
James 9
Maguire 9
Lingarg 7
McTominay 7
Fred 6
AWB 5
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 5:10pm On Nov 04, 2019
Chances created:

De Bruyne 40
Sterling 22
Mahrez 20


How are these guys midfielders? These are core attacking players. It is attacking players who should create chances. You guys should blame our attackers, Rashford Martial, James, Lingarda and Perreira
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 5:03pm On Nov 04, 2019
patrickmuf:
We have a dysfunctional system first of all but then to your question, I have seen Martial and Rashford in the box only for the Cross to be over hit or hit straight to a defender.

Against Bournemouth, Martial made a good run twice only for Pereira to over hit the attempted through pass. Replace Pereira with De Bruyne and Martial would have been in on goal.

At City, for all of Sterling's impressive goalscoring stats, it will shock you to know the number of clear cut chances he misses but the chances keeps coming. It's the same with Aguero.

When the supporting cast is bang average, any player will look bad. I am not in doubt that with Pogba, our chance creation stat will improve.
But De Bruyne is not a midfielder
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 12:45pm On Nov 04, 2019
Ibime:
Is not even functional. Pogba is not a midfielder, and McTom is a bum.
Ok
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 12:43pm On Nov 04, 2019
larride:
How many match has Pogba started? How many teams still make use of 2 midfielders?

I thought you said Pogba will slow down the pace of the game and he’s not hardworking enough? grin
Pogba has played many matches for us, even under Ole last season.

Pogba is creative but too slow.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 6:54am On Nov 04, 2019
Ibime:
A team without functional midfield will find themselves blaming everyone from right back to left back to strikers.

This is what we Chelsea fans were going through in the Emenalo years while some Chelsea fans go dey blame every other position without focussing on the real Koko.

Now some confused people on the thread are blaming everyone from AWB to Maguire to Rashford and Martial. Una no know ball!

What makes you think Man City can play midfielders like Delph, wingers like Zinchenko at left back, talkless of midfielders like Fernandinho and Rodri at CB? Not to mention useless defenders like Stones and Otamendi?

Simple - once your midfield is functional, a lot of other positions will be covered. A good midfield covers a lot of sins.

What made OGS think AWB and Maguire are his priority, without touching the midfield. So he thought the likes of Fred and Perreira will keep him competitive? Never mind the fact he lost Herrera who was probably the only thing resembling a half-decent option in that midfield.

This is 80% of your problem. Any other talk is confusion. Long may your confusion continue!!
A midfield of Pogba and McTominay is not creative?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 6:52am On Nov 04, 2019
BARAJ92:
When Playing against supposed small teams will need at least two creative Midfielders which sadly we don't have and also an attacking full back, Dalot can be use against suppose small team while Bissaka should be use against the big team.
The work of the midfielder is to give the ball to the attackers. The problem is the attacking players who are not creative and skillful breakdown defence
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 9:42pm On Nov 03, 2019
Our attacking players will miss a clear header from six yard box. Even Maguire and Pogba are guilty.

Compared to Ronaldo, Rooney, Fletcher and Vidic who needed half a heading chance to nod in. Those days we knew Nani, Anderson, will not score a free header. But now our 25 or 30 players squad cannot score a header. Smalling was the one making small effort.

If teams know you are not clinical, they are not afraid to come and attack you. But if they know you need a half chance to score, they will just be defending. That is why they fear Man City and Liverpool.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 9:36pm On Nov 03, 2019
When you watch old clips of Manchester United, you will see that JS Park, Fletcher, Oshea have better goal scoring sense than the players we have now. When you wtach, Giggs, Rooney, Park, you will see they knew exactly when to pass, how to pass and when to pass the ball in build up to great goals, even some that were missed you still see plenty of sense.

No one of our current attacking player is complete. They havn't the sense of JS Park sef.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 9:31pm On Nov 03, 2019
chrisley024:
Everything currently is our problem
You can as well include Rooney grin
The major problem of the team is attack. They are poor in decision making. They are poor in finishing. The are poor dribblers. They are poor scoring from set play. They don't inflict fear in opponents, that is why small teams can comfortably defend against us hoping to go to our area to force a goal.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 9:17pm On Nov 03, 2019
Is the right back our problem currently?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:56am On Nov 03, 2019
We will need highly technical attacking forward players to force small teams in their own third for 90 minutes.

All these Pereira will not work. Only Martial appears but be a skillful player, he would still have struggled to make SAF starting eleven.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:52am On Nov 03, 2019
Our problem is mostly against small teams who rely on physical strength to win games. Against big teams, our players appear fast but against small teams, our speed is matched and we are out-muscled, beaten in aerial duels and we occupy less space
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:48am On Nov 03, 2019
inFamouz:
And Martial is fooking Lazy! Jesus, as in extremely Lazy.

Pogba the learn work for where Martial de.
Martial gets worse as he gets more game time. This is what I have observed over time.

The other time he was injured, guys were calling him the messiah. That is always the case, those who play are not seen as any good. Those who don't play are the messiah.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m):
MRTA7:
This is always the way. When the team were playing badly and losing when Pogba was injured. No one said a word but a few wins and now its Pogba that was holding us back. Its always very interesting. No word for the fact the whole team has improved some form and Ole switched formation for a few matches. No, its Pogba that was holding us back. We weren't able to play a fast paced counter attack with Pogba in the team. Team has been shit with and without Pogba and has have a few good performances with and without him. So yo put it all on one player's absence especially with the way this team plays is funny. Like the saying goes, Nothing wey Musa no go see for gate.
This makes some sense. Let's watch and see.

I have not watch all our matches this season, just above half of them. But Pogba was slow.

He doesn't have the play of a world class player. Shots from the edge of the box are like Kano Pillars trained player. Misses clear headers inside the six yard box like he is an academic player.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 5:06pm On Oct 31, 2019
nitrogen:
Disagree!

With Pogba, we played very effective and efficient counterattacking football. Just go and watch our play under caretaker Ole (before he became the manager).

You people ehn, nawa o!
You cannot use that era to judge
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 7:55am On Oct 31, 2019
inFamouz:
but he's our most creative player, just see the way we fvcked up many attacking moves bcuz of inaccurate passes and poor decision making, with pogba we would've created more scoring opportunities than we did tonight.

I agree he's not a direct player like De bruyne, he's more like hazard. Sometimes too many unnecessary touches.
I dont agree that Pogba is nearly as good as Hazard.

Secondly, with him in the field thise spaces for counter may not be there. The three midfielders have more mobility going from one edge of the box to the other which help the overall team. Pogba would not make those tackles Fred and McTominay are making everywhere. He will also not be as direct going forward with the first touch of the ball. We have 10 players that are everywhere in the field supporting one another even up to the four corners of the field. No one ia doing oga

But let us sew what happens when he returns.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 11:40pm On Oct 30, 2019
MRTA7:
Exactly. So surely you can't put the pace of the teams play down to just Pogba?
Pogna holds the ball for a long time and he is less direct.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 11:38pm On Oct 30, 2019
MRTA7:
When have we played faster without Pogba? Didn't we beat Chelsea with him in the lineup 4-0.
That has been long now. We have more mobility without him. Everyone hustle hard.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 11:08pm On Oct 30, 2019
Are we better without Pogba? Do we play faster without Pogba?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 11:02pm On Oct 30, 2019
Not one of those who go to troll. I can imagine what will happen in Chelsea and Arsenal threar tonight.

Those people shouting scummies scummies, you see yourselves? No gey dey do pass urself
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:59pm On Oct 30, 2019
Vidic was not also fast, he mostly sat deep to avoid troubles.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:58pm On Oct 30, 2019
Leyqute:
Is Tuanzebe fast?
Not properly observed him. A black man should be fast. Where is Baily?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:58pm On Oct 30, 2019
I wish this was a league game. grin grin grin
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:55pm On Oct 30, 2019
weedtaker:
Of course, you when it comes to defending Maguire is better than Smalling.

As an all round player he might be better but defensively? Lol de guy no near Smalling.
Maguire is better. Smalling and Jones have lost sense of proper defensive organisation. They were okay in their early years. Compared to Maguire, Smalling and Jones appear to lack understanding of where to stand, when to go for tackle, and they are poor in ball control. These make them to look shaking as compared to Maguire. But they are faster and more rugged. Smalling has the advantage of height over Jones

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