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Ibime:
So we had 2 players in the hole?

Guy stop yarning dust.

Fabregas made almost all his assists in the first half of the season playing in pivot with Matic while Oscar was in the hole.

After Spurs disgraced us 5-2 in January, Mourinho saw our midfield was overrun and started playing Zouma in the midfield in the big games, dropping Oscar. The midfield shape changed to a 3 and Fabregas stopped assisting from that period, hardly.recording assists till season end. Costa also stopped scoring. From then we relied on winning games by single.goals with Hazard often providing the difference.

Fabregas has never played hole for Chelsea, simples.

Ibime:
Fabregas was used in double pivot. He never played hole. Even on the odd occasion, he played in 3 man midfield, it was not in the hole.

patrickmuf:
England has always done well when it comes to qualifiers where they get to play those lowly rated teams but whenever they have come up against a half decent team, they have struggled...Reason? A dysfunctional sysyem, poor midfielders topped with a clueless manager...

patrickmuf:
Why does Sterling struggle with England? Don't forget that in attack, England prides the likes of Kane and Sancho who are top of their game at their respective clubs?

KingTom:
The koko of the matter be say the whole team na shyte no need for all this back and forth

patrickmuf:
Martial is not a poor finisher in my opinion. I am certain Rashford and Martial will do well if placed in that City team.

patrickmuf:
Lukaku scored for West Brom and Everton but he had issues here...Martial was rated very highly at Monaco but he can't seem to deliver here...Sanchez came here and flopped...You can honestly say Sanchez and Lukaku were not good enough as they were already tearing the league before joining us. Everything points to the fact that very good attackers struggle when they join us, why? A dysfunctional system first and then lack of quality from the supporting cast...

patrickmuf:
Has anybody here insinuated such? We are saying Pereira is poor, just as Fred...We are also saying our fullbacks should push higher up the pitch when we are up against small teams...I have seen Messi use the run of Suarez as a decoy to get past defenders. Robben use to use the run of Lahm too to get past a defender. When we had Valencia, Mata could play on the RW and still be effective because Valencia provided the necessary width for him to move in field without affecting us.

patrickmuf:
At Barcelona, who was in front of Alves?

If you watch Manchester City (Zichenko/Mendy and Walker) , Liverpool (Robertson and TAA) , Barcelona (Alba), Madrid (Marcelo and Carvajal), Bayern (Alaba and Kimmich), Juventus (Alex Sandro), Dortmund (Guerrero and Piszczek), Chelsea (Emerson/Alonso), Atletico (Formally Juan Fran and Felipe Luis now Trippier) and can't get the point we are making about overlapping fullbacks, I am sorry I can't help you.

Our midfield is even worse...

patrickmuf:
When we had Nani, you had an Evra who was like a left winger when we attacked, you had Giggs who dropped deep to free up space for a marauding Evra, we had Scholes who could switch play to our advantage with a raking long ball from midfield, we had Berbatov and Rooney in the box enough bodies in attack to stretch the opposition. Scholes sef joined the attack as soon as we went forward.

And Brown didn't play as our RB in many games.

patrickmuf:
De Bruyne from any position will still do well.

When Manchester City attacks, you see Mendy on the left stretching the play, Aguero is always in the box, Sterling tucks in to add more bodies in the box, Bernardo Silva tucks in too to allow Walker the space to drive forward, De Bruyne moves toward the right wing waiting for a cut back so can whoop in those his devilish crosses. In front of the defence, David Silva and Gundogan are waiting to recycle possession and in midfield, you have the CBs who push forward to narrow the pitch.

At Liverpool, Robertson and TAA occupy the wings when Liverpool attack allowing Mane and Salah to tuck in giving them more options in the box, Firmino drops to the edge of the box...Thats 5 players in that attacking sequence. To cover for the overlapping full backs, Henderson moves to the RW in any case of a counter, Van Dijk and Matip push up close to the midfield and Fabinho is stationed around the modified to stop provide cover with Wijnaldum ahead to recycle possession...

At United when we aatck, Rashford gets the ball, he starts running, when he looks for options, he can't pass to Martial because he is heavily marked, thus he turns and passes back to Young. Same thing happens when James has the ball, he begins to run but there's no overlapping full back or AMF in the same wavelength and with Martial heavily marked, he elects to go it alone until he is dispossessed or fouled. I have seen enough of our games where you'll find yourself screaming that Young and AWB should bomb forward but no (Young is even better). Pereira who should be very close to the attacks will be couple of yards behind thus we have to delay the play to allow them chance to join the attack by which time the opposition has regrouped. McTominay has been trying of late but he arrives late and most times his shots ends up being blocked...Watch our games and you'll observe what I am trying to point out, as a midfielder and even defender, you progress with the movement of the ball, how will we be on the attack yet Maguire, Lindelof and in some cases Rojo will be seen very deep in our half of the pitch? In a normal scenario, Rashford and James shouldn't be the ones whooping in balls, that's the work of our fullbacks and our midfielders should be around the dge of the box or thereabout with the defenders close to the midfield especially when we are up against small teams.

codedguy1:
There so many holes to pick on this your reply but I no get time to argue.

The crux of the discussion was chances created and not how they were created.

Some of the 60% set piece you are degrading from young could have been created/acquired by these same players you expect yo create.

Maybe in the process of creating the chances they were fouled and got a free kick or corner

Na for strikers to convert the CC naaim be the koko regardless of who create it.

weedtaker:
What? they were phenomenal! .

patrickmuf:
I don't understand...

weedtaker:
No, fabregas played as deep lying playmaker, his chance creation stats was boosted due to him being in charge of set piece.

I think from open play hazard was the highest creator.

weedtaker:
I agree with dis.

I don't agree with dis, the way a team is set up plays a part, take our game against Liverpool for instance, they didn't create many chances cuz we didn't allow their full backs into the game, leaving mane and firmino clueless in attack.

Ibime:
When did Fabregas play in the hole for Chelsea?

Ibime:
Another Elampiro classic

weedtaker:
doesn't these have to do more with the way the team is set up? Liverpool for instance gets their creativity from their full backs, under Ferguson we use our wingers, I think even Alves was creating more chances than xavi and iniesta under Guardiola.

codedguy1:
You have not answered my question

You were talking about chances created by players and someone pointed out that young had created almost the same number of chances as Mahrez and you replied by saying 60% were from set piece.

codedguy1:
This your DM and CM illustrations don't make sense to me. Are young and Mahrez CMs or DMs?

codedguy1:
If those that are expected to create chances at united in open play are flopping at it and someone else is creating those chances even if 60% are created through set piece, why make it look like creating chances through set piece is inferior to creating it in open play.

If the useless strikers we have were at least converting those set piece chances created by young we would be better off. No?

raumdeuter:
WHo are the players in the midfield 3?

Give us an example of a game this season where KDB played and was not part of the midfield 3

raumdeuter:
WHo are the players in the midfield 3?

Give us an example of a game this season where KDB played and was not part of the midfield 3

codedguy1:
Does the fact that 60% of the chances he creates are set piece negate the fact that they are chances created. If we score from the set piece will the goal not stand or will it not be counted as assist for him.

Obere4u:
So if attackers creates chances, who takes those chances? The midfielders or Defenders?