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Travel / Re: Are Foreigners Deported, Harrassed In Naija? by EloSela(f): 4:38pm On May 09, 2008 |
I highly doubt that there are any 'illegal' Westerners in Nigeria. That being said, Nigeria routinely deports Nigeriens (Niger) and other African nationals from their countries using methods which can be quite humiliating so I don't think they have room to talk when countries like the UK or the US deport Nigerian nationals back to their homelands with money to start their lives again. And lets not bring up the way Nigeria deported Ghanaians in the 70s. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/6387053.stm
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Politics / Re: Food Crisis In Nigeria by EloSela(f): 7:47pm On May 06, 2008 |
@ Poster How dare you!!! These people are not REAL Nigerians as they are poor, in rags and cannot fend for themselves. Please show positive pictures of real Nigerians in their air conditioned Benzes and four storey duplexes. These are the only such images of Nigerians that we wish the outside world to see. The majority of Nigerians live in these conditions and will be surely affected by the food crisis; however there are some Nigerians who won't. So it is best that we show those positive images instead in order to portray our country in a positive light. . . abi? Please note sarcasm |
Travel / Re: Egyptian Police Shoot Nigerian Woman ! by EloSela(f): 6:56pm On May 05, 2008 |
A simple search in google would have brought up more information for those who wanted to verify the story. . . http://www.punchng.com/Articl.aspx?theartic=Art200805054134346 http://www.tribune.com.ng/05052008/news/news15.html |
Travel / Re: Nigerians Overseas: Second-class Citizens? by EloSela(f): 10:33am On May 03, 2008 |
@Big Bumper I have already explained what social class was and what I would deemed to be classed as second class. I won't waste my time trying to explain to why I felt Dare's photo's were relevant to this thread so feel free to carry on with your mumbo jumbo as i will not try and rationale with you in future. |
Travel / Re: Nigerians Overseas: Second-class Citizens? by EloSela(f): 7:02am On May 03, 2008 |
lucabrasi: You don't know me or how I live, neither have you shared my life experiences as bing born black and brought up in the UK and so . . . you are not more abreast about anything . Please stick to talking about life growing up in Lagos because you really have no idea about Black Britons. Quoting wikipedia of all places says a lot about your mindset and not in a good way. Everything you have posted in regards to a Black person's class of citizenship and life in the UK is pure hyperbole at best! You also seem to miss the point about Dare which is that there are plenty of people like him who violate the rights of others everyday in Nigeria and get away with it just because of their elevated level of citizenship. This is opposed to others whose social status may not allow them to exercise their full social political status in Nigeria. |
Travel / Re: Nigerians Overseas: Second-class Citizens? by EloSela(f): 6:47am On May 03, 2008 |
big_bumper: See you trying to behave all grown up, I did not 'drag' Nigeria into anything. In case it was lost on you This is a 'Nigerian' board frequented by 'Nigerians' and so if someone starts a thread about 'Nigerians' abroad being 2nd class citizens then it is only a matter of time before someone starts talking about citizenship in Nigeria. Citizenship is all about how people are able to exercise their basic political rights around the world and especially in their own countries. In regards to the picture I posted, it is clearly obvious that there is a class issue at hand but the fact that the 'servant' was not even able to exercise his right to object to Dare posting his pic online clearly shows that his citizenship is not perhaps seen as the same level of as Dare's. If this servant had wanted to bring a lawsuit against Dare, would he be able to exercise his right as a citizen to do so? No, but in America or Britain he would have regardless of colour or race. So all of you people screaming about how you are first class citizens in Nigeria, think about what you are able to do in Nigeria as a so-called first class citizen before you start looking at other countries. In Nigeria, ones political and basic rights are abused every day like this 'Servant'; the reason why many of you continue to run out of the country in droves. |
Travel / Re: Nigerians Overseas: Second-class Citizens? by EloSela(f): 11:46pm On May 02, 2008 |
lucabrasi: With all due respect, you are merely a visitor in a foreign country and I think that it is highly ludicrous of you to purport to know what it means to be born Black and up in Britain. Further more, I know my rights and I don't need the likes of you, a foreigner, telling me what they are and if and how they supposedly differ from a person who so happens to have a different skin tone to myself. And as for Dare, the fact that no one really blinked an eyelid in Nigeria shows that Big Oga always wins. |
Politics / Re: British Airways Regrets Maltreatment Of Nigerians by EloSela(f): 6:19pm On May 02, 2008 |
Jamco45: Oh pleeeeeeese, How many times have people witnessed policemen beating up innocent individuals in Nigeria and have done nothing about it? Who came to aid of the teacher who was stripped naked, beaten and burnt to death by her own students? Please don't come in here exaggerating shit. We are all 'Nigerians' at the end of the day and so there is no need to fantasize! |
Travel / Re: Nigerians Overseas: Second-class Citizens? by EloSela(f): 4:27pm On May 02, 2008 |
This thread is about class of citizenship and you have now jumped to start talking about class in general. If you must know class does not determine how one is treated as a citizen in their own country but in Nigeria it does. The richest man in Britain does not speak like the Queen and I am sure that their palates are not the same either and he would be considered an upper class, as would his children. However, someone like me would have the same right as his children because we both have the same citizenship. Anyone can adopt a certain type of etiquette and claim to be of a certain class, as class, whether it be upper, middle or lower is not an official designation like citizenship. Class and citizenship are two different entities and every citizen in Britain, America and most western nations can freely exercise this right regardless of whatever class or colour they are considered to be. Can you say the same for Nigerians?. . . . no! That is why a teacher can be beaten and burnt to death by her students. If that teacher had been a rich person's daughter or wife, the killers would have been rounded up and put in front of a firing squad. That is why Big Bully Dare Obasanjo can boldly walk into the room of another grown man without permission, snap his picture and publish it on the world wide web for all and sundry to see. to him as his servant. |
Travel / Re: Nigerians Overseas: Second-class Citizens? by EloSela(f): 2:49pm On May 02, 2008 |
This is not an individual thing but Nigerian culture through and through. . .I also think that bringing up accents and the certain foods that people eat as as way to classify who is 1st, 2nd or 3rd class citizen is incredibly stupid. . .no offence intended but it is. lol! |
Travel / Re: BA Explains Their Actions. by EloSela(f): 2:42pm On May 02, 2008 |
VOR: I agree, more of an explanation than an apology. I am sure BA will have official flight records and a report from the UK police to back up their story if it comes to that. |
Travel / Re: Nigerians Overseas: Second-class Citizens? by EloSela(f): 11:49am On May 02, 2008 |
There is a link in my post above. . .here it is again. http://grandioseparlor.com/2007/04/a-presidential-servant/ If you read the posts that follow, Dare tries to justify why he felt he had the right to take that man's picture it his decrepit state and post it online for the world to see. |
Travel / Re: Nigerians Overseas: Second-class Citizens? by EloSela(f): 10:38am On May 02, 2008 |
Is the man in the pic below a second class citizen. . . I say no. I am not even sure if he would qualify to enter into the 10th class of citizenship, despite being a Nigerian in his own country and employed by the then President of Nigeria. Which class of citizen is this man in Nigeria? “One of the servants sitting down on the bed of his one room apartment. You can see the entire apartment in this shot.” - Dare Obasanjo As you can see, this poor soul was not even allowed to freshen up after getting up from bed before Big Oga’s son busted into his quarters and snapped this pic so he could show of to his oyinbo friends on the world wide web that his father has ‘servants’ Further more Big Oga, did not even see fit to buy the man a decent bed, despite this man being a Nigerian citizen in Nigeria, never mind a human being like Big Oga himself. First class citizen! My Fada has money! One can surely imagine the uproar that would follow if people like the Bush Twins or Prince William and Harry took pictures of the servants in The White House or Buckingham Palace to show off on their personal web sites, never mind if the Servants looked as pitiful as the one above. Of course that would be unheard off but in Nigeria if you if you are the offspring of a Big Oga then one can basically get away with murder. A society where one is considered less than human, never mind a citizen in any class, because one doesn’t have the right amount of money, is a society that needs a drastic revolution before it can progress. Please stop worrying about the class of citizenship in other countries and sort out your own first. http://grandioseparlor.com/2007/04/a-presidential-servant/ |
Travel / Re: Nigerians Overseas: Second-class Citizens? by EloSela(f): 10:12am On May 02, 2008 |
This thread stinks of sour grapes. . . I have a British passport by birth and I am proud of it. I am in no way treated like a second class citizen in Britain and neither do I feel like one. How many Nigerians, with green passports can say the same about life in Nigeria? Of course if your father is a big Oga, one may get preferential treatment as the ‘Big man’ culture is a staple in Nigerian society. In Nigeria, if a poor man in his beaten down car jams Big Oga in his Mercedes on the street, the ensuing crowd will say to poor man: “You de craze? Why you de drive anyhow? See de person wey you jam? You no know say ee get money? Oloshi!” If Big Oga in his brand new Mercedes jams a poor man in his ordinary car, the crowd will say to the poor man: “Your fada! Why you no comot for road? See as you scatter oga moto anyhow, Oloshi!” Who is the second class citizen in the scenario above? |
Politics / Re: Boycott British Airways - See What Happenned To Your Brother by EloSela(f): 10:14pm On Apr 30, 2008 |
@Sly Well this incident happened a month ago in front of 135 passengers yet we have only had a tickle of information through which is strange. Where are the other accounts? There was one dodgy account by some bloke called Dion or other on the travel section but then again this person claims that BA delivered a Deportee stone cold dead to Abuja just a week before, yet where are the news reports on that? I really do think Omotade said more than he is admitting and I suppose we will find out in the court case if there is once ot if this case escalates any further than the farce it is already. |
Politics / Re: Boycott British Airways - See What Happenned To Your Brother by EloSela(f): 9:51pm On Apr 30, 2008 |
[size=20pt]Cases of people thrown of flights, non blacks![/size]
I agree with Kobo in that Omotade's case was not a race issue but I also don't think he has grounds for a customer service issue. Had the guy minded his own beeswacks then he would made the wedding as planned. Granted, I wasn't on the flight but he was obviously put his foot in it by bigging himself up to the police/immigration officials when they were trying to do their job. A year ago in Somerfield, I witnessed the police trying to detain a shoplifter and this young black guy tried to interfere under some misguided notion that he was doing his bit for the 'cause'. The poor sod ended up getting himself arrested along with the shoplifter. smh. I feel that all these calls for Boycott without knowing the real facts is making us Nigerians look extremely foolish, like our image is not bad enough already. The latest joke is the NBA trying to sue BA. They are claiming that Omotade is a Nigerian citizen when he is British. So now we have the NBA trying to sue a BRITISH company on behalf of a BRITISH citizen for an incident that took place on BRITISH soil. . .ridiculous! |
Travel / Re: Funny Experiences On Your First Trip To Naija After Being Abroad For A While by EloSela(f): 12:04pm On Apr 29, 2008 |
The first time I landed in Nigeria, after an 8-year break, I was happy but I couldn't believe how much the country had changed since I had been away. You see when I was there before, I had lived in a quiet town of Sapele and so to land in a fast and uncoordinated city like Lagos was quite a shock to the system. I couldn’t believe the amount of children running in and out of traffic trying to sell bread and other items to car passengers. Then there were the cripples who were begging for money, also running in and out of traffic…that was heartbreaking to see. The worst thing though, was the lingering stench of the open sewers and gutters. I found it hard to let anything pass through my mouth for a few days because of that. I saw someone’s rotting leg on the Lagos Benin road and another dead body in a busy built up area…I think it was at Ojota. The brunt of staying at my sister’s house in Ketu was alright although that was somewhat alleviated by the fact that I was just happy to be with my nieces and nephew whom I hadn’t met before. After my first bath, my skin reddened and puckered up in itchy rashes so much so that I had to boil each bucket of water and lace it with dettol in order to take my bath. The nights where they would take the light were unbearable. Sometimes there wouldn’t be any light for at least 2 or 3 days and then they would bring it back and take it again within the hour. I also couldn’t get used to old Mama’s referring to me as Auntie, didn’t like the open abuse and fights in the market and didn’t like the fact that the buses did not stop but expected you do jump off once you reached your destination. When I went home to Sapele, only the main street, Okpe Road had light but then it was so dim that it wasn’t worth having it on. Sapele had not changed at all…it fact things had gotten worst. 1 Like |
Travel / Re: Fake Visas: Pregnant Nigerian Women, Others, Languish In British Jails by EloSela(f): 11:24am On Apr 29, 2008 |
Why are so many Nigerians willing to risk their freedom to get into England? |
Politics / Re: 'a World Of Casual Racism' Exposed At British Airways by EloSela(f): 11:21am On Apr 29, 2008 |
Lip service at it's best. My view still stands on this. Omotade had no right to interfere in a court ordered deportation order. The majority of Nigerian passengers are rude and uncouth. They need to learn how to respect themselves first if they would like others to respect them. The nerve of some of you to think that because an oyibo/journalist newspaper has come out in defence of some your views, every Nigerian is also going to follow suit stance. |
Politics / Re: Nba Sues British Airways For Maltreatment Of Nigerian by EloSela(f): 11:13am On Apr 29, 2008 |
This is so bloody stupid and proves once again that the Nigerian authorities have nothing better to do than to blow a lot of hot air and gas. Upon all the wahala facing Nigerians in Nigeria not to mention the ones currently incarcerated around the world, including nearly 2000 criminals languishing in UK jails which the Nigeria government refuses to acknowledge, it is Omotade, A BRITISH citizen, who they want to make noise for. Unbelievable! |
Crime / Re: Baby Rapist Sentenced To 1 Year In Prison, Gets N3000 Fine Option by EloSela(f): 10:37pm On Apr 23, 2008 |
Only in Nigeria. One can be a mass murderer at get off scot free. . . for enough naira. |
Business / Re: Yar’adua Orders Investigation Of Maltreatment Of Nigerians By Foreign Airlines by EloSela(f): 9:58pm On Apr 23, 2008 |
LASIEFAIRE: Yar Adua, God bless him, his heart is in the right place but his priorities are misplaced. If the focus is now on how Nigerians are treated in other countries then as I said, there are at least 46 Nigerians currently being incarcerated in another black country, Barbados, yet no sign of the Nigerian government coming to rescue them. Then there are the many incidences of Nigerians being treated like dogs by the Chinese in their factories and even imprisoned. . .yet no investigation. Go to Italy and see how Nigerian ladies who have been tricked by madams to leave Nigeria and are been beaten and raped. Are they not Nigerian citizens? Where is the investigation? Abi is it because these particular Nigerians don't have money to fly BA, that they don't even warrant an intervention by their own Government?? |
Business / Re: Yar’adua Orders Investigation Of Maltreatment Of Nigerians By Foreign Airlines by EloSela(f): 9:40pm On Apr 23, 2008 |
The whole thing is totally stupid! I am sure that a whole president of Nigeria should have more pressing issues to deal with than a bunch of Nigerians that were thrown off an international flight for misbehaving. This is on par with the time that Obasanjo appeared on the BBCs 'Come Dancing'. . .LOL! What's more how is he so sure that all the passengers on that flight were all Nigerians? Mr Omotade, who was arrested was a British citizen, is the Nigerian government going to try and tell the British how to conduct the law and treat it's own citizens? In the meantime there are at least 46 Nigerians who are currently being incarcerated in Barbados after being left stranded there by Ghanaian airlines, yet where is the investigation and help from the Nigerian government to bring them home? Nigerians are being maltreated every day in Chinese factories and being imprisoned in the same China for minor infractions and misdemeanors such as not having papers or walking the street without papers yet where is the investigation? In short, Nigerians are being maltreated all over the world, yet it is the ones that have misbehaved on an international flight that gets the government's attention. Wonder's shall never cease! The British Government should just ban ALL direct flights from Lon-Lagos jare and let us hear word |
Travel / Re: Why Do People 'Disrespect' London? by EloSela(f): 7:18pm On Apr 23, 2008 |
LASIEFAIRE: Don't you read. . . or even google? I did say that some had touted and here is one of my sources and there are a host of others online if you care to take a look. http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/27/business/worldbusiness/27london.html?pagewanted=1&ei=5088&en=a71491dec620088b&ex=1319601600&partner=rssnyt |
Travel / Re: Is Life Really Better Abroad? by EloSela(f): 3:58pm On Apr 23, 2008 |
Is life really better? I suppose that that is a subjective question. It is better for me, but then again there are just some creature comforts that I can not live without. I like having constant power in my home as well as running water to be able to do basic things like flushing the toilet at will. I do not like walking around and seeing beggars with small children on the street, darting in and out of traffic. I do not like to see cripples having to fend for themselves and I do not like seeing dead bodies on the road while people conduct their daily business around without a care in the world. But then again, each to their own. 1 Like |
Travel / Re: 136 Ba Passengers Removed From Jet Over Deportee Row by EloSela(f): 3:36pm On Apr 23, 2008 |
Siena: Man, you're really putting your stance out there aren't you? I don't what it was but I kind of got the impression that you were one of those types that always liked to sit on the fence when it came to topics like these. . . |
Travel / Re: Relax Strict Visa Conditions, Bankole Tells Uk by EloSela(f): 3:32pm On Apr 23, 2008 |
LondonCool: Exactly! It is the self-centre mentality that irks me to no end. Instead of them to investigate if such visa restrictions are only applied when it comes to Nigerians, they well readily assume that it is just so they can make some noise for the sole sake of it! |
Travel / Re: Why Do People 'Disrespect' London? by EloSela(f): 3:27pm On Apr 23, 2008 |
I don’t know why people diss London or tend to have severe issues with those of us who tend to big it up. I can only imagine that such resentment is borne from some insecurities which have not yet come to fore on their part. As for me, London is one of the best cities in the world, in fact it has been labelled at the ‘capital of the world’ by many. An ‘advanced Lagos’? Whoever said that must be smokin’ something good and I want some! lol. I personally believe that Lagos can not come close to London in terms of technological or sociological advancement in a million years. For starters, the attitude of some Lagosians, where everyone is out for themselves without a care for their neighbour or fellow human beings is disgusting. Then you have the lack of basic amenities such as running clean water and electricity which always seem to be forever out of reach to the inhabitants of Lagos and the rest of Nigeria. The number of dead bodies and dogs that I have seen lying around in Lagos should say a lot about the mentality of individuals in that city alone. Then you have the beggars with small children hanging around and the cripples who are treated worst than dogs because of their predicament. I was reading an article the other day about a Nollywood actress who caused a car crash that ended up killing a doctor. This doctor could have been saved, but unfortunately that nasty Nigerian mentality that I despise so much reared its ugly head. The relatives or other of the actress arrived at the scene and just carried her away to the hospital while leaving the poor man in his crushed car to die. What’s more, the lady was given just seven years in jail for causing the death or ordered to pay N100,000 to escape jail. In such a society progress will be hard and long if at all and I really think that Lagosians should think about how they can mend such issues in their society before trying to compare themselves with an ancient, historical and world class capital city of London. 1 Like |
Travel / Re: 136 Ba Passengers Removed From Jet Over Deportee Row by EloSela(f): 10:30pm On Apr 22, 2008 |
Rlst84sale: Na wire o! |
Travel / Re: 136 Ba Passengers Removed From Jet Over Deportee Row by EloSela(f): 8:28am On Apr 19, 2008 |
Siena: Ay!. . .Doh oniovo me! |
Travel / Re: 136 Ba Passengers Removed From Jet Over Deportee Row by EloSela(f): 6:10pm On Apr 18, 2008 |
4 Play: Abi ooo! Siena: Ah you laughed! . . .At least you are not uptight and frigid like some around here! Doh sar! |
Travel / Re: 136 Ba Passengers Removed From Jet Over Deportee Row by EloSela(f): 4:45pm On Apr 18, 2008 |
Another companion piece. . .For those who get my sense of humour, for those who don't, go and jump of a very high cliff! UK News 4NI National News 13 May 2004 [size=18pt]Passengers removed from Flybe flight[/size] A party of 30 business travellers were escorted off a plane before it took off from Glasgow to Belfast City last night. Following allegations of serious disturbances and drunken antics on the aircraft shortly before take-off, police removed 30 passengers from the aircraft, a scheduled Flybe flight which was due to leave Glasgow at around 8.30pm on Wednesday bound for Belfast. On top of the alleged rowdy behaviour, the captain had passengers removed after smelling alcohol in the main cabin. Those thought to be involved remained in Glasgow, while the 17 passengers left aboard were flown to Belfast International Airport after a three-hour delay. A statement from Flybe said: "The captain discerned a strong smell of alcohol in the passenger cabin, and in the interests of passenger safety and comfort, he off-loaded the aircraft. "Given the subsequent late departure of the flight it was diverted to Belfast international where passengers were bussed to Belfast City Airport on arrival. "Passenger safety is paramount in all of Flybe's operations and an investigation is under way to ascertain the full circumstances of this incident. "The 17 passengers who travelled should contact customer services in Exeter to seek a refund." Who said that the Brit's wouldn't have cleared the plane had all those on board Mr Omo's flight, been their own citizens |
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