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True along with GEJ


Every fairy-tale has a dark meaning behind it's text

did you take the red pill or the blue pill?

Return the favour and invite her to Tate modern or better yet my exhibition

French

I'm missing her . . .sauer I mean

0.5 inch

show her some of my artwork

^^
That's why you're in heaven abi?

lefulefu

. . .and how many Nigerian women have you seen without her clothes?

NAIJA WOMEN ARE SEXY BUT THEY HARDLY MAINTAIN THEIR FIGURE BEYOND 25 YRS OF AGE

Wow you're pretty perceptive. Tell me then at what age is a Nigerian man likely to get a pot belly?

First of all I'm not an "atheist" but if the rapture did occur then how many so called Christians will make it themselves?
And to be honest I'm actually more interested in how such an individual will feel if they didn't make it after adhering to that particular faith.

fumigate him

[quote author=~Mikael~ link=topic=856188.msg10058170#msg10058170 date=1327652972][color=#000030]LOL! So true! But do you think should such standards of beauty should exist?[/color][/quote]Good question.

A standard or at least a definition of beauty will always exists whether it's individual or a collective opinion.
I get what you mean though - should society hold up an ideal? Some people who do not fit in with conventional beauty are still appreciated however I believe such template can lead to discrimination at times. India comes to mind with their caste system, and when such is used to devalue another human being then I think it's wrong and harmful for many reasons. I also think it's wrong when others are conditioned to accept a particular notion as well (that's just programming) or when some are moulded to look like the ideal.

I think you are of the notion (which isn't necessarily a wrong one) that if one doesn't fit into the ideal then they are automatically deemed as unattractive or less - not always the case though.

As for my opinion regarding "standards of beauty" in society - I find it to be an illusion and rather intriguing (especially when comparing and contrasting) but I don't personally believe that "standards of beauty" should be dictated by society or by an individual.
I also believe it's a way of knowing other people/cultures.
Perhaps the intention behinds these standards where not particularly wrong but perhaps only the attitudes regarding those who are an exception to the rule is wrong - and those attitudes should not exist but most people whether as a collective or an individual will always have a standard but that doesn't mean they don't appreciate or are attracted to other portraits.

[quote author=~Mikael~ link=topic=856188.msg10058015#msg10058015 date=1327651267][color=#000030]That is what it means! And that's why the idea doesnt sit well with mua![/color][/quote]Oh ok, noted. But what I meant is that even if one doesn't agree or adhere to certain templates of beauty etc that may govern their society it doesn't still change the fact that such notions still exist. It is what it is.

The funny thing is. . .a person (due to the "standard of beauty" of a particular society/culture) may be considered unappealing in country A but deemed attractive in country B.  . . i.e a slim person in some parts of the world may be pitied because others may equate their size to poverty whereas in other parts of the world  a slim person will be viewed as a portrait of health . . .etc.

So ultimately these notions do differ and may not even carry much weight beyond their border or even for an individual  - and that may be because that indivual is guided by his or her own concept of beauty and not society's. Like talina said "beauty is in the eyes of the beholder".

I think there is an illusion to beauty though.

[quote author=~Mikael~ link=topic=856188.msg10057886#msg10057886 date=1327649915][color=#000030]Hmm![/color][/quote]What is hmmn? *raises eyebrow*

I watched a very interesting documentary about the Wodaabe clan (a sub group from the Fulanis) and their standard of beauty would actually match parts of Western society. But I did wonder if someone who doesn't match their standard will be termed as "less attractive" however beauty is very important in their clan.

[quote author=~Mikael~ link=topic=856188.msg10057706#msg10057706 date=1327647919][color=#000030]I see the point you are trying to make. But the existence of "Standard of beauty" is another way of saying "Bullshit!"[/color][/quote]"Standard of Beauty"? That's what some groups of people adhere to amongst their society. So perhaps the OP thought that Nigerians among our individual groups also have a standard. A person doesn't even have to adhere to the "standard of beauty" in their society, but it doesn't delete the fact that certain notions regarding beauty exists in society.

[color=#000030]So if i dont see ladies with long necks, they are not beautiful? So an igbo guy cannot admire a yoruba, hausa, delta lady because my culture says until they are ****, they are not termed beautiful? Really? That's some Beautiful Nonsense![/color]

Ha! I don't believe I was listing your ideal I was using another group as an example. Or do you mean to ask  . . .if their men saw a lady with a short neck would that affect the way they evaluate her beauty? If so, then of course.

I don't know what your culture deems as beautiful (or if such "standards" even exist in your culture) but even so it doesn't mean that you as an individual will abide by that template. It doesn't mean that women who fall short of those ideal will automatically be unattractive in your eyes or that you may not even recognize their beauty. It doesn't mean that women from other cultures in Nigeria cannot match those ideals and it doesn't mean that those who may fit the bill may even be appealing to you. There are anomalies in terms of beauty and in terms of adherents.

In London slim women are favoured for example but does that suddenly mean one who is not slim is unattractive? No not at all. And does that automatically mean that someone who is slim is attractive? You bet it isn't . . .but perhaps it is a slight advantage.

[quote author=~Mikael~ link=topic=856188.msg10057507#msg10057507 date=1327645772][color=#000030]Standard of beauty? What the hell are people smoking nowadays? [/color][/quote]It might sound strange to you but it does exist in some spheres.

i.e mursi favour women with big lips so from a young age the women belonging to that group have their lips stretched with plates. There was another group (I can't remember the name) but they favour women with long necks so elongate their necks (or in reality depressing their shoulders) with large rings set across their neck.

Some people's standards of beauty might even revolve around the personality although I think the OP is largely interested in the aesthetics

talina:
^^^ Yes that is absolutaly true. But I would like to think that many can rise above this conditioning (and should strive to), to really see the beauty of each individual.

Ditto

lol only sauer will come up with a line like that . . .

er. . .Ja


Beauty pageants objectify women.

talina:
" Standards of beauty" are only in the eye of the beholder no matter who it is. If that makes sense.

talina it makes much sense but that doesn't negate the fact that certain people/societies/groups still uphold a beauty template - one may not even adhere to those "standards" but it may sub-consciously or consciously govern the thought's for quite a significant part of the population moreso some people have been conditioned/trained in accepting certain standards of beauty.

sauer:
wrong!!!

Oh, right

sauer:
culprit! 

O, ye of little faith.

DaraAlina:
Just out of friendly curiosity,

What is the standards of beauty for Yoruba Men, Igbo Men and Hausa Men ?


Thanks !!!!

Are you after the standard of beauty that these men seek for in a woman or are you after the attributes that qualify these men to be attractive?
and is this standard "tribe"-specific? i.e the beauty standard that Hausa's adhere to amongst their own "tribe".

sauer:
From earlier:

You attended a chess tournament and saw varying chess boards between every two incredibly attentive players. So, you were thinking. . . hmmm, if i had a 7 × 7 checkered square board (i.e., a 7 × 7 chess board), how many rectangles would there be in total? Note: a square is also a special type of rectangle, so you want to count the square too!

50.

Spray blood on his eyes from my torn right arm

Yo mama!

Off with his head