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budaatum:
So, scientific laws do not govern anything, but are laws we deduce from our observation of reality and which we call objective truths. Or rather, Scientific laws are laws that subjected us deduce from our subjective observation of an objective reality and which subjected us call objective truths. What objectifies it is our competent use of the objective photometer to systematically observe, measure, experiment, formulate, test and modify our subjective beliefs. Its why I don't do "belief" by the way. I keep looking, observing, measuring, experimenting, formulating, testing and modifying so much that I can never hold on to any long enough.

I do not agree however that "Every action we take and/or decision we make in this universe is based on this "science"". Some have wonky photometers!

FOLYKAZE:
On the second note, you acknowledge that religion has it own errors and problems. You have however failed to realise that religion, particularly is the problem. The question should be how, why, and when does it become problem? This is simple...

This cannot be said about religion. Religion on the first note creates a divided world. A world where you love those in your camp and hate those outside. Quran dictates Jew should be killed, Islamic preachers also propagate it. Christians hate idol worshippers because Bible directed them. Many have been killed because the killer were convinced by their religion scriptures.

Love of money has many advantages. Same cannot be said about religion. Apart from giving believers false hope and irrational dream, it has contributed nothing good to humanity as whole. Therefore, an institution that is problematic to humanity, a problem itself to mankind; and has no benefit to society, such institution should be done away with.

You pointed that ritualism is still practised till date in Africa. Stealing, racism and social vices still abound. That is religion and socioeconomic problem. Removing ritualism which is religion problem (because people believe practising ritual and sacrifices to some superpowers will sort their problem and bring blessings), stealing, raping, racism and other social vices abound because religion over the centuries has failed to eliminate these problems. Every religion preaches against stealing, raping, racism or any vices. If religion fails to clear the vices, it then should be scrapped. What is the essence of an institution that has been failing over centuries? It should be scrapped.

Bro, in your last note, you admitted countries that have done away with religion are progressing, doing better than religious nation. Does that not connote that religion is the problem and should be scrapped?

FOLYKAZE:
Maybe what you meant to point out here isn't religion. Religion is an institution founded by a person... Antireligion person can easily see many dogma compounded in each religion. It is there everywhere you turn.

However, it is sometimes difficult to detach oneself from Spirituality (you need to understand differences between religion and spirituality). As Spirituality is life, found itself in every aspect of living. One, either Atheist or theist will fill connected to something or someone outside their world. Could be Music, Art, Natural world or seeking Enlightenment. It could be knowing oneself. All these are spirituality which we cannot breakaway from.

As par Religion, it can be done away with easily. Most importantly, it should be done away with because it beget gullibility, illogicality and glorification of nonsense

budaatum:
We all working with various meanings of religion but I bet we aren't.

Religion is a cultural system of designated behaviors and practices, morals, worldviews, texts, sanctified places, prophecies, ethics, or organizations, that relates humanity to one another using the supernatural, transcendental, or spiritual element. However, there is no scholarly consensus over what precisely constitutes a religion.

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Religion is very early societies school for when we couldn't educate everyone nor was everyone capable of learning so we wrote a curriculum and organised to teach it to people regularly. It's not the only school today so long later, but religion teaches the things of its own sphere,the relation of humanity to one other through the supernatural, transcendental, or spiritual elements.

It is the belief of some that the dharma wheel will keep turning until everyone has entered nirvana. Then all shall cease.

LoJ:
hello there,
Your posts only make sense if you consider that the Bible was written as a moral code for living on earth. Then after death it is heaven or hell.

What if this is not the case. Spiritual books are written mostly to teach people how to "ascend" and to help them in their journey through the various planes of existence and not get lost. The scriptures are then a kind of Maps of the cosmos both the seen and unseen parts, each one describing an area and helping you drove through not getting stuck.

Now if you have never been to calabar, any map describing it will seem insane to you. But if you are familiar with Yaba left, you will find great use in such a map for Yaba.

That's why some spiritual books (in the Bible) seem useless to you. Unknowingly, among the "useless" books you cited there, are some that are so precious that I could not refrain from answering your post.

You see this is one of the issues I have with the bible or Qur'an.. It's has too many irrelevant details that clouds what people should really focus on.The core values that can make people better human beings.

budaatum:
Really? The people who could not focus on one simple rule of "don't eat the fruit of this tree" will focus on ten commandments "and it would become a part of them"? When? In 3019? But let me work with you here.

You heard of some guy called Jesus Christ? He went and simplified the entire Bible down to "love each other, and God", very easy exceedingly simple two commandments. How well we doing Emperor with just two commandments? Have these two commandments "become a part of us" yet, we've had them 2000 years?

Yet, fast forward. Imagine 5019. 3000 years from now. The one commandment, the ten commandments, the two commandments, the "lamentations, Malachi, Micah, Hosea etc" commandments and so many more commandments will all become a part of us. You just wish they'd become a part of us already is what.

But remember. When we began we didn't know serpents don't talk. Some still think demons do!

I'm going go listen to those books you mentioned to see if you have a point Emperor.

budaatum:
But, it is not the holy books that make people do what they do but their (mis)understanding of it. I mean, because God in Deuteronomy is said to command the Israelites to murder and steal peoples' lands, that's no reason to justify Hitlerism, after all, Jesus the Son of God said love those neighbours.

Squaring the circle is what one is presented with often with what you call "irrelevant details", an exercise that develops the mind.

ikoroduvibes:
It selects sim bro!
I’ll post another one soon just be ready

hakeem4:
Secondly, if you look at the old testament, the bible was said to have done things based on what was common then. E.g they allowed slavery, they justify rape

hakeem4:
Well. I really like the point you gave down.

I think we need to do away with religion because many apologist are of the opinion that religion is what direct our moral compass, and i am here to tell you religion does not.

According to richard dawkins, he said I'd rather have a morality that is reasoned, thought about, discussed, argued, debated, and ultimately designed. Morality is man made, and should be man controlled. We should accept that responsibility and we should not depend on any cosmic sky daddy to determine it for us.

Secondly, if you look at the old testament, the bible was said to have done things based on what was common then. E.g they allowed slavery, they justify rape

Bojack:
yeah it's me from the 90s show horsing around

Bojack:
well since Jesus was a Jew and Christianity means to be Christlike then y'all xtians should be jews

advocate666:
I am not a Hypo.

Satan is African.

jesusjnr:
Don't worry I understand, that's why I gave you enough time to correct them.

Brb with my response but hope you don't make a waste of it.

advocate666:
See them.

Crazy africans spending their time on foreigners' abandoned religions.

jesusjnr:
At least the myth that it was your not getting answers to your level 2 questions that made you not to take sides has been hence busted.

Yeah! And there's yet another myth that would suffer the same fate before i'm also through with my response, even your submission that there would have been no progress without science,

despite that you keep talking about some figmental level 2 questions or answers(maybe you coined this) unknown to you, even at level 1 there are yet sub levels, and hence your limited extent of even the level 1 knowledge, that the extent to which discoveries have been made via science, has been the extent to which the Creator has permitted for such discoveries to be made in science.

Hence without those permissions there wouldn't have been any progress made by science.

For if you try and research beyond your sentimental limitations, you'd find out that the seed of the harvest you call modern science today can be traced back to Mesopotamia, the first ever civilization of the world.

And if you research further you'd find out the name of Nebuchadnezzar feature as the leader of the first ever civilization.

Now you should have heard also heard of the Biblical King Nebuchadnezzar, so if they say that he was indeed the leader of the first ever civilization, try and research his records in Biblical history.

And if you research further into the lives of those four pioneer scientists, you'd find out that they were not just scientists, but scientists who believed in God. And not just scientists who believed in God reservedly but to the extent that they were willing to sacrifice anything or their everything inclusive of their lives to uphold and defend their belief in God.

So do you think that it was by accident that it the four men that masterminded the first ever civilization of the world and paved the way for today's science were men that feared God to the last drop of their lives?

I call that finger prints of the Creator's input towards bringing science to what it is today, for if you take away the extent of knowledge that was given to those men by God at the time from the equation of science, maybe science would yet be at the level of simple farm implements.

And do you also think that it's by coincidence that despite the overwhelming extent of atheist scientists, that it would be a God fearing Isaac Newton that would be more or less regarded as the greatest scientist of all time?

So my friend you can choose to hold on to what you call level 2 questions, and the figment that without science there would be no progress, but the truth is that the without the input of God the Creators in science, there would be no progress in science.

jesusjnr:
Ok so you've hinge your whole life, existence and fate etc., on what you call a defined level 2 answers to the level 2 questions you say you keep asking?

jesusjnr:
Unfortunately for you bro it's not up to you to determine that.

But the only chance that you may have is that even if you do not believe that God exists, you are not wicked but righteous as He desires men to be, for He had shown Himself to be a respecter of righteousness, so if you have it might just come in handy when your time of reckoning comes.

As for how God came into existence, Lol! Do you mean that is what has made you to doubt if He existed?

C'mon don't do that to yourself, for that is a baseless reason not to believe in God's existence, otherwise you would also doubt the earth's existence because you do not know how it also came into existence.

But you yet believe the earth exists don't you?

Of course you would say that you have proof of the earth's existence, so that should suffice for you to believe it exists.

But do you believe mars exists also?

If yes, how do you come to that belief?

Did you know how it came into existence, or have you ever been to mars before, felt it with your hands and seen it with your own very eyes to come to that belief?

But you believed the testimony of those who claim to have evidence to prove it's existence. Right?

Of course perhaps they had to show you some of such evidences for you to believe, but then how about Jupiter, mercury, Saturn and the of the planets that they also said existed, but none of their rockets have been able to touch down on as they have successfully done in mars, do you also believe that they exist regardless?
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jesusjnr2:
It's impossible to be neither here nor there, for you are definitely somewhere, either under God zombism or Satan zombism.

But I think I was correct to assume you a satan zombie, especially deducing from your first comment, for it had all the trappings of Satan zombism.

So if i'm wrong and you are not a Satan zombie then you are a God zombie but the chances of that are slim from your comments thus far.

Of course in Satan zombism there are different levels, but rebellion against God is the common denominator.

p.s. a God zombie is a googolplex times better than a Satan zombie!

jesusjnr2:
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And what are your premises for assuming I'm in any of the groups on this section. I think you belong to a Satan zombie(rebellious) group even if not any of the above mentioned because of your comment provided below
I love your sense of humor tbh.
I hugely commend your conscious effort to purge the religious section of nairaland of "satanic" posts but for how long do you plan to keep this up? Are you kidding me?

Well if you're sincere, thank you.

as for how long, i think i'm gonna stay here even beyond the time of my unveiling, for this platform provided me with the basis to prepare for what's to come, and also an opportunity to test my spiritual prowess to see if it's really as potent as it was initially thought to be.

jesusjnr2:
Feel sad for the fact my posting on my own thread has been a strategy of mine that reversed the tide of the extent of Satan zombism in Nairaland, both in the respect of satanism and atheism, that it has yielded at least a confirmed of a Nairaland atheist that turned to Jesus, and likely more unconfirmed cases Lol!

For before my coming here the reverse was the case, and i doubt you would have felt sorry the satanists who kept doing same here and made the religion section to seem like a satanism section, until the explosion came in the form of a jesusjnr and the rest as they say is history.

So feel sorry for the fact that the days of atheism an aspect of Satan zombism in nairaland are hence numbered, and that the works of Satan your master (I literally laughed hard at this) would keep the feeling the devastating effect of my continual posting on my threads.

So please I kindly beg of you to keep feeling sorry for me and my posting on my pathetic thread(s) Lol!

At least it's given you something doing, otherwise you'd be busy doing nothing Lol!

jesusjnr2:
Feel sad for the fact my posting on my own thread has been a strategy of mine that reversed the tide of the extent of Satan zombism in Nairaland, both in the respect of satanism and atheism, that it has yielded at least a confirmed of a Nairaland atheist that turned to Jesus, and likely more unconfirmed cases Lol!

For before my coming here the reverse was the case, and i doubt you would have felt sorry the satanists who kept doing same here and made the religion section to seem like a satanism section, until the explosion came in the form of a jesusjnr and the rest as they say is history.

So feel sorry for the fact that the days of atheism an aspect of Satan zombism in nairaland are hence numbered, and that the works of Satan your master (I literally laughed hard at this would keep the feeling the devastating effect of my continual posting on my threads.

So please I kindly beg of you to keep feeling sorry for me and my posting on my pathetic thread(s) Lol!

At least it's given you something doing, otherwise you'd be busy doing nothing Lol!

jesusjnr2:
Hate? Lol! Or maybe the vehicle of your judgment forgot that it was driving at the speed of an error message when it exploded into oblivion.

It's not hate for you, but for Satan zombism without which the likes of you would completely jobless.

So if that doesn't add up for you, then maybe it's because the ability to discern in the positive direction has been subtracted from you.

jesusjnr2:
How employed are you on a scale of 1-10? computer explosion detected! ∆ Warning! Please evacuate all the Satan zombies from the Nairaland building in five seconds!

5, 4, 3, 2, 1, POOWWW!

And that was how Satan zombism in nairaland came to an explosive end.

jesusjnr2:
Wow! generous of you on a scale of 1-10? 110!