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Bojack:
do you have the link for black dynamite

Hey bojack..Been a while,what have you been up to?

And you can find it on toxicwap

OtemAtum:
In other word, Jesus' coming should be seen as the coming of a tortoise or of a lame man. So how can a tortoise or a lame man have strength to end the world?

Smh.How thick can you be? I just hope your being sarcastic and not just blinded by your apparent hatred towards Christianity or bigotry. I want to believe your not as dimwitted as your reply above suggests. No offence tho.

OtemAtum:
Do you know the dictionary meaning of soon at all? Isn't it dishonest to say that 2000+ years is soon?

I've gone over this already. What part of my explanation didn't you get?! Coming soon without a specific time stated makes such a person independent of your time frame. A hare and a tortoise don't view the world in the same way as regards to time. This doesn't even have to be understood in a religious way.Logic already explains this.

BTW, your Jesus isn't coming because it is a fictitious character made by Paul and co. Go and read the BOOK OF UNIVERSAL HISTORY for more info.

It is not my Jesus bro. I'm yet to know him on a personal level.

Heathen777:
I didn't say he needs to "wow"anyone, I'm saying he could've done a better job stating more substantial and relevant "signs of his coming", or he shouldn't have even bothered.


So performing miracles, to heal a group of sick people in a little geographic area during a certain era, was better than providing knowledge on how to treat both minor and major ailment, that would help anybody, anywhere, irrespective of the era?


The supposed miracles , as any other supposed miracles could've been staged, and even falseley claimed to have happened. Anybody born outside of Jesus's era, would have no substantial proof that those miracles infact did happen.

Assuming Jesus did tell us .... say something about the existence of other galaxies, planets, atoms, germs, etc. And they were confirmed later down in the future, this would have been a much more credible case to believe Jesus wasn't any normal ol human being. Why would god's best evidence that he came down to earth, be scribled scripts that claimed he did magic tricks here and there, why not something more credible, something that couldn't have have been known, or done by men at that era?

Your argument is valid but your missing the point. It's not a must for you to believe in he existed or not.Interference with the things that concerns humanity would have been indeed a blessing and a true sign he is the son of God but you fail to see that his words even till now can be used against him.What if he told us atoms existed and we didn't get to the point where we are able to study atomic structures. He would be deemed a liar even if atoms did exist thereby condemning the works he did and the reason he came here in the first place.Mind you,he was sent here for a specific purpose and his life and works were recorded according to that purpose which you should very well know. If we take a look at the bible you'd see that every detail about Jesus wasn't recorded,you only have a little picture of the life of the man. Consider the time he spent amongst the religious teachers after the passover.There wasn't a dialogue as to what was said but who can ever know in this day and age?
Have you ever experienced things that are done as a result of or associated with "religion and it's practices" such as testimonies and miracles?(I know I haven't but I'm somehow convinced it may not be hoax after all) As a very skeptical person and a one time fully fledged atheist,I've tried to logically understand the magic behind the tricks. There could be a valid and rational explanation for these things but until then I'll keep an open mind. If you were aware of this you would have considered the motive behind my first quote where I specifically put in bracket (To whom it may concern). If certain people believe that Jesus is coming,then let them after all they may be right and even if they aren't,who gives a hoot?

Squirrel01:
I have a serious question to ask.
What's the rational thought behind this scenario, Maybe you set out with other people on a cause to achieve a common goal.
But on reaching the final stage, Others will succeed in that cause, But you, irrespective of the fact that you led them into such great journey, You showed them the way, And gave them the necessary tools to achieve it, You found out that at the end you didn't succeed while those whom you set out with succeeded except you.
Who can explain this mystery to me.

Life is spontaneous and accountable to no one. A 100 people die in an accident and only one survives type of spontaneous.There's no rational thinking that's needed to understand that.

Miki22:
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Thanks for this sir,
I have a plan for own a information scientist.
which only few universities offer the course in Nigeria.
I love doing trading too.

You have to make up your mind on which is more suitable for you..I'm not sure you've done that.

if you don't mind, you can drop your whatsapp contact, I will text u sir.

It's just a personal decision that's required of you,there's no need for WhatsApp numbers

Dingbang is the guy you should talk to or try reaching out to the Bank's customer care service offline or online.

Ekeseges:
Nigerians know but poverty and greed would not make us say no to deforestation.

Add illiteracy & a lack of concern for nature to the list...Wondering why a post like this hasn't made it to FP.Maybe it's time to call on the mods.

Heathen777:
Please what part of Matthew 24:4-14 is remarkably correct?

Reread the verses with an open mind and compare those predictions with what is happening today.

Saying Earthquakes, Wars, Famines would happen is as much a prophecy as saying the sky would turn dark after 7 pm.

True.But you see he didn't predict these events to wow anybody.He did so to warn them.

There nothing remarkable about these prophecies. The only part which seemed somewhat accurate is the part where he talked about many people turning away from the faith, but this is only true for some developed nations not worldwide ,

I never said the prophecies were remarkable but "remarkably correct".People's love for the faith would wax cold because iniquity would be the norm"

by some estimations the numbers of Christians is set to reach 3bn by the middle of the century compared to 2.2 bn today. Again a failed prediction from Jesus.

It isn't a failed prediction as I've quoted above.It was a misinterpretation on your part. So it wasn't really about the population of believers.

He was sent here to save, wasn't he.. Well think of the lives he would have saved if he shared some knowledge on medicine such as penicillin. How did he expect people of the modern century to take his divinity seriously if the best he could leave behind was some writers claiming he did miracles...

Miracles trump science in my opinion because miracles defy logic.Penicillin or something even better would have been discovered anyways.

Why would we have to believe Christ is divine if he couldn't share something that would prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that he is out of this world. Like say advanced scientific knowledge millenniums ahead of his time.

If he did things that defied logic,what other signs do you need? Like I said before he was more of a moral philosopher as regards to sharing nonreligious teachings.

True, but given how much emphasis the bible put on Christ being more than sufficient for healing, it's no surprise why some religious folks would sometimes even disregard modern medicine and opt in for faith based healing.

Ignorance and dimwittedness is dependent on the individual. Not everybody in Israel were recorded to have come to Jesus for healing or would you say there weren't other minor illnesses befalling the children of Israel while he was amongst them?

Heathen777:
Yes the prophesied events were all just vague and actually common occurrences. It's like predicting there would be a meteor strike on the earth based on signs such as storms, tornadoes, tsunami's and human conflict.

These events(excluding human conflict) were not common 2000 years ago. Read Matthew 24:4-14. Emphasis should be on 10-14. I'm inconclusive as to whether the prophesy on the return of christ is true or false but the predictions are remarkably correct.

It makes no difference if I didn't mention such "warning signs", because they frequently happen.

But it does make a difference even to rational and empirical thinkers. Even if Jesus isn't the saviour of the world,he was a genius to predict the things he said with most of them already coming to pass.

SIDE NOTE: you'd think the creator of the universe would come down to give human a kick start on progress, by teaching us things worthwile things like antibiotics, electricity, E = mc^2 .

That wasn't the reason he was sent here. He was more of a moral philosopher. He was sent exclusively to the lost sheep of the children of Israel.

Instead we are thought that demons causes mental illness (obviously modern science has found such causes, so we don't accept that explanation again)

I'm not certain whether demons actually exist or not but what I do know is I'll remain open minded about it until I'm 100% certain they do or don't,

and he faith alone heals sickness, with no emphasis on medicine, sanitation etc ( which could have save millions of people).

I'd like to think herbal remedies were available back then.An example would be the woman with the issue of blood receiving her healing after visiting the "doctors" for years looking for a cure to her ailment. Ignorance and delusion is what would make a person believe faith alone heals.

Heathen777:
> You don't say you're coming soon and still aren't there 2,000+ years later.... If anything that's a failed prophecy (at least in regards to the timing )

If I told you I was coming without giving you a specific time period. I become independent of any time frame set by anyone else but myself. So it's actually not a failed prophecy but a prophecy that's yet to happen. Now there was actually a questionable time frame which is still up for debate,where Jesus stated that the current generation shall not pass before the son of man returns but he also predicted the events that would become a norm when he would come.

> Yah they're OK

You just called one of my fav bands OK...Shame on you(Lol.jk)

Heathen777:
It's over 2,000 years old, you can't use the word " coming soon"again.

Hmmm...You don't consider the past when using the words "coming soon".You use the present and future. So the words remain valid.

I checked out your profile and saw a twenty one pilots reference..Are you a fan? Or it's just heathens you've heard of.

Heathen777:
The Jesus is coming soon stuff has already gotten old.

It never gets old only less effective as it used to. People believe what they want to believe so please let them.

There's also the anthropocentric mentality to it, that out tiny insignificant world in all there is, and once it ends the universe ends as well.

You see that is an absolute certainty.The end is a must.Extinction shows that anything that existed once can cease to exist including humans. Humans are most likely to go extinct at some point (from causes we created by ourselves or natural causes) which is similar to the religious version of human extinction from earth,only that we get to come back again for the second time.

Such mentality is detrimental to humanity, because it's shifts focus away from reality. People would care less about the issues facing us right now, because the world would end anyways and every problem would be gone , so why care about pressing issues such as the environment, global warming, mass extinction etc.

I disagree with you on this one because I see it as an excuse for people to do what they really want to do. Religious views or not, making earth a better place is a personal decision. Now science created this environmental mess we are in not even religion.It's one of the cons associated with manipulating the original state of nature. Pointing fingers won't be of any use to us,now we have to collectively improve certain things and try to reduce the rate at which our world is destroying

The universe is over 13 billion years old, and I don't see it ending anytime soon.

The universe may not have any expiration date(maybe it doesn't even have a manufacturing date either) but humans do and what is the universe without intelligent life capable of appreciating it?

A word is enough for the wise(To whom it may concern)

These are the kind of actions that should be applauded and recognized. Hats off to them if this is true.

The question is what do you want for yourself? If you take a path your not enthusiastic about,you'd be at a loss at the end of the day.
If you haven't taken time out to personally reflect on what you want for yourself,I suggest you do so.

Big mouth is like the crudest of them all. It's both relatable and suggestive (lmao). Bojack horseman is depressing yet hilarious mostly because of bojack and Todd. Rick and Morty is a sci-fi comedy that's legit.Like every episode is hilarious. Pumped cos the season 4 drops sometime this year. Boondoocks was legit black comedy until it got canceled(bummer).I think you should check out Jeff and some aliens(it's funny too).It has similarities with big mouth. You also didn't mention family guy? Don't you watch family guy? I mean sure it's humour and carefree attitude towards what is wrong/right has declined over the years but it's still a good show.

Ijaycool:
Nonsense!

Petrol is easier to get than electricity in this country.
You will need petrol to generate electricity.
The scenario will be...
Buy electric car.
Buy generator.
Buy Petrol.
Charge your car.
Buy Petrol.
Charge your car.

Same old song.
What a pathetic sh*thole

The recharging stations for electric cars don't rely heavily on public electricity,mostly on solar power. In a country like Nigeria where the solar energy is abundant I don't think your analysis would be valid. The question is how long would it take for these electric cars to be incorporated into our system given the level of illiteracy and heavy dependence on carbon based automobiles. Mind you,the industries specializing in creating alternatives to carbon fuels are still work in progress.There are still unresolved problems associated with alternatives.

paraltero:
So many conflicts, it's hard to keep up.

Some say we carry the sins of Adam and Eve, which is why infant baptism is necessary.

Others say no such thing exists.

The Bible says we were created in God's image.

Someone here said by eating the fruit, humanity was raised to the level of the gods.

Genesis 3:5,22

I thought that already happened by being created in God's image.

An offspring doesn't inherit all the traits and features of its parent.Dont be confused.

Besides, what separates humanity from gods in most cultures is not knowledge but extent i.e sure we have knowledge but the gods supposedly know all.

It's not the tree of knowledge but the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Read the verses I previously referred you to .

We have short lives but the gods are eternal. We are present wherever we are but the gods can be everywhere at any time.

You're incorporating the different versions of what gods should be like from different cultures into one. It's erroneous to do so given we are looking at it from the biblical perspective. I'll still refer you to the bible verses which would shed more light on what was needed to gain immortality. Please note that these words aren't facts and can be rendered invalid once a valid argument is made available.

So. Many. Inconsistencies.[/quote]

budaatum:
Then let that be your understanding, "that my understanding is merely flesh". Whether it profits me need not be your concern since you would not be standing by God when I am judged.

Lol.

JohnnyOhJohn:
Let me make use of an example first;
Is it right to judge my neighbor's children for the sins of their father... No right?

I'd like to admit I may sound ludicrous or unreasonable but it's just a shot at giving answers to the trickiest chapters in the bible.
I'd like to state that I personally feel that the chapters in genesis before the introduction of Abram lacked careful and intelligent writing which had to be compensated for in later books.

So why are we judged for the sins of Adam and Eve

According to genesis eating of tree of the knowledge of good and evil promoted man to the level of a god. Therefore being able to consciously differentiate between good and evil which is a trait that could be passed on to future generations is what makes man sinful. Now God doesn't like acts that are sinful. This got man and lucifer kicked out of their comfort zones. Adam and eve becoming aware of their unclothedness shows the limitations man had before eating said fruit. Defining these limitations would be the key to understanding why eve ate the fruit knowing fully well she wasn't supposed to.

I think we all deserve a chance to stay in the garden of eden too... And anyone that eats from the tree of knowledge should pay for it alone

Not quite. Now God wasn't planning on creating what he's created all over again. That's why he made them male and female for reproduction. So any other humans that could have existed had to come from the first man and woman.

To be honest.. I still don't know why we were created in the first place,,, as in can't we just stay up there in Heaven and worship God

Man wasn't created to worship God in the garden of eden but to manage it. You should see the garden of eden as an expression of God's creativity.

And if it is true that God's creations are perfect, why wasn't Adam and Eve perfect?...

Measuring perfection requires the ability to,which i think wasn't part of man in the beginning.

First off I'd like to point out that from my perspective,"militant atheism" is a rudimentary phase that occurs during the infancy stage of atheism just after releasing oneself from the "delusions of religion." It's totally normal. I've done my time.The infancy period is usually subjective,that's why some old timers still choose to open highly disappointing and vacuous threads(usually left to newcomers seeking for more knowledge) that ridicule the supposed intellectual superiority of atheists. These people aren't really about understanding the nature of the universe and its meaning but are against religion and the theistic God.
Now about trying to convince or coax the people on the other side without violence or condemnation. I find it's way better to try to connect all branches of theism and atheism and create your own identity(which may nor may not have been invented). There are a lot of things to learn from both sides. I'd suggest that you check out pantheism that's if you're not already aware of what it is.
It's imperative you know that you are obligated to speak your mind when you stumble upon gross stupidity or ignorance from either side.

TheArranger:
I perfectly understand the picture painted by this analogy. But you seem have omitted an important issue here. The "many worlds" interpretation is just window-dressing on the underlying problem, which is that perfect foreknowledge -- knowledge of the truth value of propositions about future events - requires predetermination. If God can see all the whole space-time continuum and every branch of every choice made by free agents, but knows in advance which of the many worlds will be realized by so-called "free choices", then the choices are not free in any satisfying sense of free will.

I think what bothers you the most is the omniscience of God. Your birth creates infinite possibilities,God knows those infinite possibilities but isn't aware before hand the exact choices you would make. I'd like to think that every sec we spend on earth is changing the course of our lives.Every action closes and opens possibilities.

TheArranger:
I don't know. What do you think?

You could have said yes or no but you didn't because of a lack of genuine information on the subject in question.You chose not to say yes or no because there are other options available.
Now let's assume your observing an ant creeping in a tube(with no barriers),you know where the ant entered through(The beginning) and you know where it exits from (the end) now there's countless number of paths that ant can take before it gets to the exit. You're aware of the paths but your just an observer.The ant gets to choose what paths it wants to take.It could go straight to the end of the tube or creep diagonally or straight then diagonally or up and down the tube till it gets to the end. Now you can visualize the many ways it can get to the end but it's up to the ant to use whatever route it was to get there. This means the future already exists which is a topic I've talked about before but it doesn't mean we don't get to shift and change how the future looks like.
Every night you dream,you experience an illusion that could become a possible reality if all elements and events in that dream were to occur in the same way in reality. That's when déjà vu occurs.But we get to dream more than 150 times in a year,some of which we forget but we don't experience them because we didn't make choices that would enable us experience them.
The infinite nature of the choices(and it's uncertainty)which we can make within our life time to me is equivalent to free will.

My question would be...Do you think Satan has free will?

hakeem4:
well, evolution said there was no need for any intelligent design

What if there was/is an intelligent designer who is different from the theistic and religious perception of the nature of said intelligent designer? Would you still wholeheartedly support the evolution theory?

If you believe evolution refutes the God theory,then you might just be as thick and deluded as the theist you are criticizing.

budaatum:
The pawpaw plant is versatile with high tensile strength which is why they don't easily fall over when blown in the wind.

This is one of the things that I find comical about some theists.They'd use anything to try to justify the existence of God or the hand of God. Clouds that look like Jesus or celestial beings(Like they actually know what they look like) or the stories were a whole building and everything in it burns except the holy books etc.Its funny that the people who glorify trivial signs like this ignore the "other signs" that expose the falseness of these claims. If God could fill the earth with water "which lead to the reconstruction of the earth" just to make a point,I don't think he'd need petty signs such as this one to show he exists.

FOLYKAZE:
My dear, there is nothing to manipulate in something that is primarily set down to loot from the poor, spread hatred and create unnecessary war. Like I said before, religion dictates that someome should be killed. Many scriptures have this instructions, there is nothing to manipulate there. If the scripture are to be followed down to the letter, there would have been no peace and civility in the globe.

I'm honestly running out of ideas on how to clarify my opinions so we don't keep going in circles.





Deployment of Liberalism, moderation, reasoning, logic and humanism into religion is another issue entirely. I will make a quick note. In Islam, Hausa perceive Yoruba muslims are not devoted to Islamic standards.

Some people out there are liberal, not radicals or fanatics to religion teachings. This happen because they diluted barbaric belief found in these religion. However, it doesn't remove the fact that religion books instructed adherents to hate, despise and kill non believers.

At this point it is obvious you are looking at religion through the lenses of only Islam. There are over 8 billion people in the world today and Muslims aren't up to half of the human population. Now these "religions" you talk of instruct it's followers to kill the followers of other religions but don't they instruct them to love one another. Is there still hatred and division between the followers of these religions? If yes.Would you still blame it on the religions?
It is easy for you to imagine a world without religion just as it is easy to imagine heaven.It's all perfect in your head until somebody else points out the serious flaws you didn't even think was there. And I also noticed you've decided to put humans into consideration.You believe in humanity from the way you've been talking and I sure hope you don't end up in a situation where you see the evil nature of humanity.

Would you blame a Lion for killing your livestock? Nope. Killing is it nature. Same way a brainwashed person who killed for religion purposes. The problem is religion here.

Same way a political thug would kill innocent people for money.Same way a student would get a gun and use his classmates for target pratice.Same way a woman would give birth and dump the baby to die without thinking twice. Humans are the problem.

Religion promises a future in the fairy land where there would be no sickness, pain, death or suffering. Religion posit to know what happens after death.

Everyone would experience suffering or death of loved ones. They hope their been steadfast to their religion doctrines will bring an end to all the pains... It is all hot air, false hope.

Hope is vital and it's must be exist in one form or another for the sake of humanity. Just as romantic love is also a sham,but somehow we can't help but believe it's real. That's why romantic novels and movies sell.

This is simple. Who kills; gun or the trigger puller?

If there's no trigger puller,would the gun kill?! If the gun isn't loaded,would the gun kill?!

How do you blame someone that has lost his senses after been brainwashed nd given false hope?

It means he didn't have any senses in the first place.My dad was a pastor while I was growing up.I attended every service within the week,morning and evening devotion everyday.Why didn't I become brainwashed? Why did I start asking questions? Why did I start seeing loopholes in the bible? Dude it isn't about brainwashing. If you have sense,you have sense. No two ways about it

Religion and rationality walk on parallel opposing path.

Not entirely true.

Religion has been with us for centuries. It doesn't solve the problem mankind is facing. It, however replenish and multiply it. Such institution in my view has failed and should be scrapped.

Mankind would always face problems. We try to solve our problems and end up creating new ones.Take global warming for example.Would you blame this one on religion too?!

What mankind need now is Enlightenment and rationality, not religion.

Religion has it's issues but it is not entirely to blame for the problems we face in the world today.There are problems that aren't even caused by religion and you know it.The world is in a downward spiral. I usually tell people our world is crashing.Divorce is becoming the new norm(as opposed to a time when religion had a stronghold over humanity).Social media is slowly destroying the real world and promoting fake lifestyles(would you also blame this on religion.Maybe the social media is just like religion).I can't even begin to explain how messed up the world we live in is becoming.You probably know these things already but refuse to focus on creating solutions to these nonreligious problems.
The bottom line is religion or no religion the problem we are facing is us. Humans are the problem and other living and nonliving things that aren't humans are suffering the consequences of our actions.You can never have a perfect world,never!. That's why vegeterians,nudists etc exist.There's always gonna be a rebellion.