vaxx:
Evolution theory was recently tested in chemistry lab thru lab tube late last year and the winner won 1 million dollar.......


https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-018-06753-y

Evolution is closely related to,if not adaptation which is a observable and verified phenomenon in nature. So in no way should an open minded knowledge seeker dismiss evolution due to anthropocentric or supercilious mentality such an overwhelmingly evident phenomenon as a hoax. It's very much a possibility and does no harm but it's still a work in progress and largely based on human inputs which is susceptible to errors.
Humans are related to apes and monkeys through a common ancestor. Okay!
Whales share a common ancestor which was a land animal but somehow evolved into aquatic animal with a blowhole.Okay? Probably needs more work since Darwin assumed the land animal was a "bear".
Giraffes for a while didn't have a transitional fossil until recently(which may or may not be evidence of how the giraffes neck became long).
So you see,work in progress and that's what it should be seen as.Certain evolutionists tend to give this "we have all the evidence" vibe that shows the same arrogance and close mindedness that certain creationists have.

I'm still not sure why people tend to treat evolution like it's not a work in progress. There are missing links yet to be discovered and theories yet to be made logical and rational.This doesn't mean evolution has not been observed,tested and agreed upon as a phenomenon by the scientific community just like gravity and revolution of the earth around the sun.It becomes a problem when certain evolutionists create based on extrapolation and assumptions an explanation of the origin of life due to evolution thereby creating an illusion of refuting other theories that are for the same purpose.

aseosa:


Really? I see but am not a dumbass. I think you have a mental problem.
And who in the world uses a cartoon pic if you claim to be an adult. It lookslike your stupid. You know.
See, I dont have your time.

aseosa:

I see you are even a cartoon made creature.
Pls can you tell me your character?

No nah...No nah...No nah
Don't anger the gods by classifying thereby demeaning big mouth like it's some cartoon for toddlers...It takes an almost god like mentality and sense of humour to appreciate its pure awesomeness. A word is enough for the wise.

felixomor:

"whether Christian or not"

And yet u claim "truth".

Pls go and know the meaning of truth.

Lol..Is it only a Christian that can observe and condemn the disappointing shortcomings associated with the church today especially in Africa? I don't think so. If something is true,don't try to distort it with the entitlement bias of " Christian or not Christian ".

felixomor:
Stop deceiving and fooling Yourself
You are not a Christian.

Several folks have already exposed your handle before.

Christian or not..He's speaking the truth.

@OP...Ride on . Don't hold back.

topedoski:

Christians like the Israelites, Germans, Russians etc. Are fighting their battles, building mass destruction weapons, while believing in God.
But christians in my continent want God to come down and fight for them

Can't you see that we're bleeped up for real?

I think this partly has to do with the culture and barbarous traditions we still hold unto coupled with the egomaniac and unprogressive mentality we seem to be deluded with.I'm tired of seeing people blaming religion for our woes,thereby condoning and ignoring the crucial reason we are in this predicament which wouldn't change regardless of the religious state of the country. No matter how dominant religion is in a country there should be a level of cohesive and progressive attitude towards the greater good of the nation but No.We're only good at finding excuses. I guess it's every race with it's demons.

HenryDion:


You must be very confused lol..

You know nothing Buda, you are a mere believer. That is the membrane of everything you know and believe in.

It is evident to all that everything you think you know was doctored by a long aged book that has long served its purpose of mass control.

What do you really know? I'm curious here lol..

What you know, how can you prove it to be an objective truth and not from a delusional mind?

How can you even intertwine KNOWING with BELIEVE?

To believe, you don't need to know.

To believe, you don't need any sort of evidence.

Do i need to define BELIEVE in this context?

"Blessed are those who believe without seeing"

And seeing in here refers to evidence or knowing.. In other words, forsake evidence and KNOWING, and follow blindly.

Faith strives on believe, atheism strives on FACT and KNOWING.

I choose fact.

So buda, what do you KNOW?

You prolly don't know buda very well(I mean who does) hence the misconception and misplaced replies.Take your time to process without a theist vs atheist judgement or bias what buda is saying. I'll leave the rest to buda.

sulasa07:

Do you know some suicide bomber had the bomb put on them by force or there family were threatened, how do you judge them.

This is a very complicated argument in moral philosphy.Well I'm not someone that believes in judgement after death so I would answer this question differently.I only asked the OP those questions in order to know just how stringent Islamic laws and principles are towards such acts because if it is condoned in anyway it is detrimental to the society which is my major concern.So if said suicide bomber had no intention or was forced against his or her will to carry out such an act then it would seem morally right if such a person is pardoned or not judged based on the act.This is a very partial verdict,I know.

HenryDion:


Awesome. I love your objective response. I'm open-minded, ready to let go of my atheistic stance the moment I come across a substantial evidence of Gods existence. Till then!

Till then.Cheers.

budaatum:
Egyptian Mystery School were a big thing. Newton's Apple fell from Egypt and I have discovered Einstein there too. Even Jesus had to be called out of Egypt.

Here's something about Ancient Isis, Osiris, and Horus.

Be delighted for the internet! Before it we relied on books!

Wow..My mind is literally blown.If this is true then the ancient Egyptians are the clues to unlocking a lot hidden and lost information.
I liked this bit tho.
"This relates back to what I had said concerning the ancient study of metaphysics. That in the old days people of wisdom weren’t divided into the two antagonistic camps, science versus religion. In the old days people of wisdom simply studied, “How does it all work?” They were just as interested in how an aqueduct works as how the angelic hierarchy “worked.” To them there wasn’t the study of science on one side and the study of religion on the other as you find nowadays. To them there was just one study. “How does it all work?”"

budaatum:
Consciousness

Thanks for this buda..Its definitely gonna be helpful.
Just quote me to the link when you find enlightening articles like this.

HenryDion:
Your biggest flaw was those lame biblical quotations used to depict the nature of God and man's purpose on earth. Why did you ignore the Quran, Torah, Bayble, Tripitakas or other spiritual books out there?

There are major similarities between these books. Buda recently brought my attention to the fact that there could be a legit explanation for this but that was why I chose one account(which I'm most familiar with) as an model for comparison for this post.I'm not trying to prove the Christian god is alive and that the Bible is the correct version(I made my skepticism very clear).In fact a dogmatized Christian believer would consider some sections of the post heretic but this is for the open minded.

If you're of the notion that God exists? What proof do you have? For something to be accepted as BEING, it is when it has been proven beyond every reasonable doubt.

I wouldn't deny that my write up reflects a bias in favour of an ID(I tried my best to minimize this) but it's not in support of any religious beliefs Like I said earlier there's seems to be prevalent similarities between the numerous accounts and concepts about God or gods which makes me think that within all those "fairy tales" is a gem we're ignoring.These accounts could just be different twisted,distorted or corrupted versions of events or phenomena that may or not have occurred a long time ago.The earliest humans had knowledge about things we can only assume.They couldn't write this down but could pass information down from generation to generation which is liable to distortion.I don't want to stray too far from the point of this reply by analyzing the extinction of dinosaurs.

If you say particle A exist, the burden of proof lies on you the proposer. We are merely open to analyze your evidence, test it and then conclude.

By all means scrutinize and analyze it but keep it in mind that it's only for thought provocation to whom it may concern.I'm not stating this is the proof of an ID.I repeat "I'm in no way stating this is a proof of the existence of a God.

So far, no substantial evidence whatsoever to support Gods exist and as thus, he remains inexistent.

I agree.You shouldn't believe can't be verified but endeavour to always keep an open mind.You may just discover something everybody else couldn't.Albert Einstein is famous for his ingenious theory of relativity but he used a thought experiment at the age 16 as a basis for his discovery.

You keep making mention of intelligent design. Like really?

Yup.This is the most basic and largely religion independent perspective of God or gods.

If we are to go by that logic, then who created God? If God can self exist, why then do you ignore the possibility of man being a self-existing organism?

These are question that I've been curious about for some time now.I proposed the same argument to jnr when I came back online after a while.I called it the level 2 questions.I definitely know that it would impossible to answer the level 2 questions without communication with the "proposed level 1 entity". I raised the argument for a reason tho in that it's a defense mechanism against people willing to force their beliefs or ideologies down my throat.The by fire by force style.It is meant to shake the subjectively perceived knowledge of their own beliefs. Why don't you turn the 2nd question around and see how fun and two-sided it is?

Mehn, too many inconsistencies

Defo..Like I've said it's not a proof and has way too many gaps that are obvious even to me.I have my reasons for posting this.

Check this links out:https://www.mycentraljersey.com/story/life/faith/2014/08/20/hinduism-many-gods/14247795/
https://www.businessinsider.com/5-of-albert-einsteins-thought-experiments-that-revolutionized-science-2016-7

hakeem4:
you’re indirectly saying complexity requires a designer. First and foremost that’s a false analogy fallacy. Secondly your logic ignores natural selection: your argument ignores the fact that evolution by natural selection has been proven to give rise to complex designs. We know for a fact that nature has given rise to complex design (you and I are good examples). The reason you recognise how an iPhone is designed was because we already know it was designed. We’ve evidence for millions of iPhone created by a designer and no evidence for an iPhone without a designer. Same way we’ve million’s of life created without a designer and we’ve no evidence for life created with a designer.

The iPhone creator acts as if he created the watch from nothing Ex-Nihilo. The iPhone like any other material is just a rearrangement of matter and atoms which already existed.

You should try to understand my point without prejudice or preconceived ideas.The analogy I gave was independent of initial theories of ID.It's just a little thought provoking comparison with evolution largely influenced by the book "The God Debris" by Scott Adam.It may or not be compatible with my hypothesis,which I clearly stated.

Then you should not use the term intelligent in that case. If ID has its flaws then This shows the intelligent designer isn’t really intelligent after all.

How does one measure the intelligence of a design? Any design should be considered intelligent when it's guide/manual is the only way you can fully understand how it works.This shows it is more complex than the average mind can easily comprehend. The intelligence here isn't synonymous with the omniscienct and omnipotent attributes.

okay. I was only trying to prove your hypothesis wrong then

It's much needed.As I mentioned earlier there are tons of gaps and unanswered questions but there's a lot I can learn from this regardless of the tenability of the hypothesis.

budaatum:

I figured you'd find this. Impressed, plenty! Did you do the links too? Do you see how it connects with yours?

The sheer enormity of the unknown and mysterious tends to leave one in awe.I checked the links too(some were probably just to generate traffic) and other lists on the site and I found something intriguing.
There's nothing that agitates me on the internet more than conspiracy theories and certain stories about topics like apparitions,reincarnation,time travelling etc.It's much needed tho.
I found the 1 and 8 interesting.
Might it be, as speculative as this all is, that the three main Abrahamic religions of our contemporary age are directly connected to the religious ideology from the mystery schools of ancient Egypt, preserving, in a bizarre way, the thought process and spirituality of one of the greatest civilizations to ever grace the Earth?
check this out

You, Sir, educated buda.

Same here.

hakeem4:
Well your hypothesis is quiet funny and it has been refuted since the mid 19th century by Darwin and Wallace.

you saying if Man was created in the image of god then chimps and other apes are created in the image of god because we are closely related. I read one funny quote saying if we were created in the image of god why aren’t we invisible? .

I'm gonna use an device that's relatable to answer this question.This reply is in no way an attestation of my hypothesis.
If we consider the iPhone from the first to the current iPhone you'd realise that as technology advances,the phones evolve with upgrades on functions,capacity and appearance.The similarities between phones within a particular range is easily recognizable but there's a huge gap between the first and the current iPhone in terms of appearance,capacity and functions.Let's say the human race is no longer on earth and some alien life with the idea of evolution(largely similar to ours) arrive and settle on earth as their new home. They begin to study these devices.They find the iPhone 1 and the iPhone 7.The similarities are vague but it's somewhat evident they're related.The iPhone 3 is then discovered and so on.They start creating evolution theories just like we've done.The iPhone 0(hypothetical) would be most similar to one of the more recent models but not too different from the first models.The first models are only foundations for achieving a more perfect model.

2) so what was the reason why the all intelligent designer created dangerous organisms like viruses and bacteria?

The all intelligent designer I'm proposing isn't all knowing if you read my post.It's also not one being and isn't the omnipresent, omniscient,omnipotent and benevolent being you're familiar with.The ID has flaws and limits.The viruses and bacteria could just be flaws that could be created by a different source or a glitch.

3) so because we do not know how consciousness evolved so it’s god just be intellectually honest for once and say you do not know.

Consciousness to me is a gift and a curse(temporarily).The fact that the universe would exist with or without human conscious is interesting.There are innate qualities that are evident in all of nature that separates the conciousness from the physical being.The mind is largely dependent on the body. An ID doesn't have to be the conventional view of god you are familiar with.I also never stated it's a proof,quite frankly it could just be garbage but I feel it would help shape my understanding on certain things.Isn't that what hypotheses are all about?

Stop citing books written by “bronze age peasants who didn’t know the earth orbits the sun” - krauss.

Now this is one of the saddest things modern day humans including me do.We tend to look at how much we've achieved and condescendingly judge or dismiss much older beliefs cos we feel they were largely limited in knowledge about nature and other phenomenons which is true to an extent but we fail to realise we have no real evidence of what happened or reason why they did what they did.We can only make assumptions which may or may not be true. They were quite advanced than one would assume them to be.They laid the foundation for who we are and what we're achieving today so it would bad judgement to just discard an account about something that has not been proved or disproved currently cos they might just be right.

Interesting.So these conspiracy theories point to the fact that Judaism could be a byproduct of the ancient Egypt.

budaatum:
Whatdoyouthink?

I've just finished reading it and find that the philosophy of religion is really broad and complicated with so many positions,concepts and arguments held but is there a more specific reason you brought this up? If there is I'd like to know.

hakeem4:
Well your hypothesis is quiet funny and it has been refuted since the mid 19th century by Darwin and Wallace.

1) are you saying if Man was created in the image of god then chimps and other apes are created in the image of god because we are closely related. I read one funny quote saying if we were created in the image of god why aren’t we invisible? .

2) so what was the reason why the all intelligent designer created dangerous organisms like viruses and bacteria?

3) so because we do not know how consciousness evolved so it’s god just be intellectually honest for once and say you do not know.

Stop citing books written by “bronze age peasants who didn’t know the earth orbits the sun” - krauss.

Lol..I'll provide answers later today but just so you know it's just an analogy.

LilMissFavvy:
Jacob was deceived into polygamy, not his fault at all. If he was a polygamous type, he should have remarried after Rachel and Leah died.

Jaboc being deceived by Laban to marry his two daughters in no way supports your argument or provides evidence that refutes the OP claim.It's obvious that you personally don't approve of polygamy(and for good reason) but saying that the Bible or God is against it without providing biblical references that are verifiable and unambiguous(thereby proving without a doubt that the OP's claim is invalid) is biased and the only reason I'm involved in this.

Isaiah 4:1 When that time comes, seven women will grab hold of one man and say, "We can feed and clothe ourselves, but please let us say you are our husband, so that we won't have to endure the shame of being unmarried.
That verse above doesn't disapprove of polygamy but shows the attitude towards it.
Contemporary Christianity disapproves of it although that doesn't make it a sin.

A prediction that AI could reproduce in the future
https://medium.com/@equipintelligence/does-an-ai-need-to-reproduce-itself-76cb0b2ce34c

It seems you'd need to copy the whole address

This is the first AI robot released(if you don't know already) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sophia_(robot)

This is a pretty sketchy summary of a hypothesis (I'm probably not the first) I'm currently working on.

There has been an age long debate about a topic which we are all too familiar with "Whether God exists or Not" or put in more general terms "Whether we're products of Intelligent Design or not".Different theories have been proposed with some more appealing/rational/factual than others but none has been able to provide irrefutable and verifiable proof for or against the subject matter I stated earlier(At least to the best of my knowledge).I am in no way trying to jump on any bandwagon and this post is strictly for enlightenment and educative purposes to those who are open minded and objective.
This is a attempt to highlight similarities between God(ID),Mind(humans) and AI(robots).I'll use the biblical account of creation for comparisons cos of a lack of in-depth knowledge about other similar accounts.

Image and likeness
God created humans in his image and likeness(Genesis1:26-27).This is the same way humans are making efforts to create artificial beings in our image and likeness.
The Reason Man Was Created
Man was created specifically to take care of the earth and the things which God had created(Genesis 2:15).Why? Cos God can get tired(Genesis 2:2)and needed beings that would make his work easier.Note that God visited man and woman(Genesis 3:.The details and reasons behind these visits are lacking but it's obvious when viewed in the context of running the affairs on earth.
Fall Of Man
When God created man he set limits which can be found in Genesis 2:16-17 just like AI technology is creating a limit to the learning capacity of AI.The fruit of the Tree of Knowledge of God and Evil frees man from the limits set by God thus he's learning ability becomes unrestricted. The AI would also have the option of becoming free from it's limits would also enable to become a conscious entity capable of making decisions for itself and going against the will of it's creator.
Energy And Electricity
I think we would all agree that energy is a fact and is necessary for the sustenance of the universe and things within it.Just like electrical energy is the sustenance of AI and most technologies.Fruits are a form of energy that power up and can sustain the human body.
Other Animals
The difference between humans and other animals is consciousness and the different levels of consciousness.I'm yet to fully analyze this area and the questions that arise from it but the basis for this opinion is the "evolution" AI is experiencing.There would be advanced AI far more superior in intelligence and physically.

Maybe gods or demigods did live on earth which is a general similarity in most theistic beliefs.Even in the later chapters of Genesis some gods(angels/demigods) were seen by humans and could manipulate elements.
The brain in a vat or simulation theories can't be discarded either.

This is as far as I can go right now and to some it might just be the biggest load of crap they've seen all year and there's a chance it is but it's just a post showing similarities between AI,humans and God.I'm in no way proving or disproving(Its still a work in progress) anything but comparing verifiable ongoing phenomenon with unverifiable accounts.There are tons of gaps and unanswered questions,I know.Please do not eat me raw

Note:I only referenced Genesis 1-3. The book of genesis is may/may not be an original version but could be borrowed from other versions. It's the only version I'm more knowledgeable on.

Also I think "God" is like a group of individuals similar to AI experts or scientists right now hence the use of the words "our" in genesis 1:26. So the angels or gods are representatives or separate members of the set of this group

The writers of GOT offered the life of Danny to the Lord of light in exchange for Jon's life. A life for a life. Now no amount of backlash or appeals can bring Danny back

But maybe she didn't die afterall? Maybe drogon has dragon superpowers that can awaken the dragon Queen .Just a theory tho.

omokoladejames:


Naaa, I'm actually a christian.
Although i do think being agnostic is a much more honest position to hold if you have a problem with the notion God, especially if everything you've been taught about him is wrong. Just my opinion sha, I could be wrong.

It's easy to jump into the conclusion that your an agnostic judging by how largely open minded your posts seem.I guess you've done your time outside religious dogmatism hence the flexible orientation you seem to have.

Solomon
The 1+1=1 argument is trumped in evidence of 2 biblical characters portrayed as polygamist and being in polygamous marriages.
Therefore the statement made by the OP is valid until a bible verse clearly and literally states otherwise thus rendering it invalid.

I'm in no way approving or disapproving polygamy.

LilMissFavvy:
Why do people bring in Abraham when it comes to issues of polygamy? Abraham was never a polygamist. When he and his wife Sarah were yet to have a child, Sarah pressured him to have a child with their maid, Hagar, (Gen. 16:1-4). Abraham lived an examplary monogamy life. In Gen.16:5-8, we can see the negative results of Sarah's decision of having told Abraham to father a child from the maid(polygamy), in that Hagar began to despise Sarah, a picture commonly seen in all polygamous homes. Sarah died before Abraham, it was after Sarah's death than Abraham remarried Ketura, he was a widower. Isaac is another biblical example of someone who practiced monogamy. Although many biblical men took into a liking to pile up women and concubines, most of them paid dearly for it, eg Samson. The best way to understand the issue of what is right, is to look at the first creation, where God made one man, and gave him a woman.

Does Jacob count?

Lol..You fellas crack me up honestly

Alzirida:




No, am not.

Am an Agnostic..... One who doesn't believe there is God due to lack of verifiable evidence but is willing to accept if u have evidence.

I don't have problems with religious people. I don't discuss them unlikely the atheist

Interesting..You've clearly outlined the qualities of a religion tolerant atheist cos you've failed remarkably in exhibiting agnostic qualities by stating

Alzirida:

1 : There is No God

You probably should change this statement as it only portrays you as one that is certain there is no God and not as an agnostic.

Agnostic
A person who holds the view that any ultimate reality (such as God) is unknown and probably unknowable
broadly : one who is not committed to believing in either the existence or the nonexistence of God or a god

ajokeade920:
wella!

Violà pronounced roughly as Wallah?
If that's the word you were going for...Do you by any chance listen to the migos?

Nairalanders won't let this story be complete again...You'll see one in section 3 and the other in 7 before the story finishes.

iykbethany:
LET'S DISCUSS THIS VERY IMPORTANT TOPIC

Black people especially Nigerians fast and pray more than any other race or country, we have the highest number of pastors, highest number of churches and highest number of prayer warriors on earth yet we remain the poorest and most miserable people in the world.
What do you guys think is our problem?

Our mentality including you and I. This a country where the level of corruption of an individual is used as a standard for electing such individual into a seat of power and not what the individual has to offer to national development and progress of it's people.The black mentality is poor&unprogressive(the recent generations are slowly freeing themselves from the darkness) when compared to the mentality of nations that are world powers or with higher standards of living.

Is it that God doesn't like us, or we are cursed as a people or there is something that we are not doing right?

We need to change our mentality but I'm afraid it's already too late.


I'm well traveled and have come to realise that the world richest nations doesn't care much about religion while the worlds poorest countries are the most religious

Have you seen the development that has taken over Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Kuwait... Are these countries religious? Yup.The religion that is frowned upon the most. Do citizens of the "World richest countries" pay huge money to holiday in these places,yes. So I'm pretty sure your analysis is in error. Take religion put the picture and criticize people.Don't blame religion for our people's predicament although I'd admit it does play a role albeit an almost insignificant one.

Also, the wealthiest people in the world are not religious while the worlds poorest people are very religious, they fast and pray more than anyone else.


Aliko dangote is doing well for himself and if he was in a largely monopolized industry[World] like Mark and Bill,then he probably would be in the top ten.Jeff's wealth is a combination of strategy and diligence that has paid off over time.

Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. A command based on words of Jesus in the Sermon on the Mount: “All things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them.” The Mosaic law contains a parallel commandment: “Whatever is hurtful to you, do not do to any other person.”
There's your moral standard. It doesn't mean everybody would comply or accept it.