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AllNaijaBlogger:
[size=20pt]I never said that the bible abolished slavery. What I said was that the bible has both pro and anti slavery verses.[/size]
[s]And you wonder why I call you a liar. My friend, you are a known decepticon for Islam. We know your tactics.[/s]

#yeyeman

AllNaijaBlogger: Galatians 3:28 ►
New International Version
"There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus."

Even with above verse you quoted above, it shows that it was not in the best interest of Christian leaders during NewTestament era to abolish slavery. So so clear from the Bible verse. But Qur'an has NO pro slavery verses. Islam struggled to eliminate your mess you created before Muhammad (peace be upon him)

AllNaijaBlogger:
[size=5pt]Your first sentence is a lie. Even the bible tackles the issue of slavery both for and against it. Islam did not bring anything new. Also consider that some societies never even had slavery throughout their history.

Another lie is that sleeping with slaves and having children with them grants them freedom. Only marriage, ransom or a release from a master frees a slave. An unmarried female slave is still a slave and also children of unfreed slaves are slaves themselves. I went to research more on slavery and Sharia law/Islam. Even, so what about male slaves? You know that most of them couldn't marry Arab women, right?


I told you to stop trying to preach with deception.[/size]

You don't make any sense at all. If your Bible abolished slavery, why did slavery largely exist before prophet muhammad and why New Testament silent on slavery?. Why isn't anything recorded by narrators of NT like Paul, Mathews ,Mark .Luke and John?. Slavery existed in theirs but why did they skip it?

You can't refute me but called me liar. That's not enough. Therefore, your case is dismissed.

1. Drying the sources out
2. Widening the avenues of emancipation
3. Enjoining good treatment

I shall expatiate on these three processes as time permits


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1. Drying the sources out

This means that Islam started with blocking most of the means that used to pour new victims into the river of slavery. Only two sources were left; namely, prisoners of legitimate wars and the progeny of slave parents. Even the POWs were given the opportunity to restore their freedom through either a gracious offer of freedom for them or a ransom paid as explained in the following Qur’anic verse:

{Thus whenever you (believers) face (in battle) those who disbelieve, strike their necks (a lethal blow), until, when you have thoroughly pacified them, you shall tie fast their bonds. Thereafter, let there be either a gracious offer of freedom for them or a ransom paid.} (Muhammad 47:4)

Thereupon, when the war is over, the POWs are either to be graciously emancipated or exchanged for Muslim captives.

Remarkably, Islam kept this last source as a way of mutual or reciprocal treatment with the other. This means that, if the other nations used not to enslave the Muslim POWs, Muslims would have done the same with non-Muslim captives and thus putting an end to the slavery system for good. This would have left the block of already existing slaves that could be dissolved through emancipation by means of widening the mouth of the river of slavery.

2. Widening the avenues of emancipation

While Islam tightened the sources of slavery, it widened its drains or outlets. In so doing, it activated its noble values and social justice system through endearing to Muslims the act of emancipating slaves voluntarily. It dictated that the emancipation of each member of the slave’s body is a reason for saving a similar member of the master’s body from Hell-fire.

In the same vein, Islam considered the deliverance of slaves and rescuing them from bondage as an expiation or penance for sins and offenses. The Qur’an states what means,

{Thus, whoever kills a believer by mistake, then their atonement shall be the freeing of a believing human being from bondage...} (An-Nisa’ 4:93)

^

AllNaijaBlogger:
Are you saying that people freed slaves in Islam because of heavenly reward and not because slavery itself is wrong? i just want to understand you.
You can also please lead me to the Quranic verse abolishing slavery. Plesse, this is interesting. Teach me.

^Imam An-Nasafi (d. AH 710) commented on this verse as saying,

“Verily, as the killer forced a believing soul to leave the troop of the living human beings, it becomes incumbent upon him to help another soul to enter the realm of the freedom. This is due to the fact that rescuing a slave from bondage is similar to reviving him…”[5]

Moreover, Islam empowered the state and the public system as to play a role in the process of emancipating slaves through dictating that freeing slaves is one of the eight ways prescribed for spending the Zakah.

Thus, Islam made the rescuing of slaves part of Zakah which is one of the five pillars of Islam:

{Indeed, prescribed charitable offerings are only to be given to the poor and the indigent, and to those who work on administering it, and to those whose hearts are to be reconciled, and to free those in bondage, and to the debt-ridden, and for the cause of God, and to the wayfarer. This is an obligation from God.} (At-Tawbah 9:60)

According to Islam, freedom of all people is the original state while bondage is the exception that needs verification. Anyone whose condition is unknown is to be considered free unless there is a solid proof that he is otherwise. Anyone who claims that another is a slave should prove his allegations through presenting irrefutable evidence.

In addition, Islam treated the slaves and the free equally in terms of all religious rights and in most of the civil rights. It also created a desire in Muslims for helping the slaves who want to get themselves rid of slavery through fulfilling a deed of emancipation. A slave in such a case is called a mukatab which stands for, a slave, male or female, who binds himself (or herself) to pay a certain equivalent for his (or her) freedom:

{…Moreover, if those whom your hands rightfully possess desire a deed of emancipation, then write it for them, if you come to know goodness in them. Moreover, give them of the wealth of God that He has given you.} (An-Nur 24:33)

@ AllNaijaBlogger, can you now sincerely deduce proper definition of "right hand possess" that your girl friend, Ifean abuses all the time?.

3. Enjoining good treatment

There is no legislation or system that has ever treated the slaves in a way that maintains and preserves their human dignity as Islam did. Islam recognized the slave’s humanity and his right to dignity and life. Allah Almighty says in the Qur’an,

{O humankind! Indeed, We have created all of you from a single male and female. Moreover, We have made you peoples and tribes, so that you may come to know one another. And, indeed, the noblest of you, in the sight of God, is the most God-fearing of you. Indeed, God is all-knowing, all-aware.} (Al-Hujurat 49:13)

The sole criterion thus is nothing but piety and righteous deeds and not the esprit de corps or tribalism or the like.

The Prophetic Sunnah confirms that Islam has established the principles of brotherhood between the slaves and the masters. The Prophet (peace be upon him) is reported to have said,

“Your slaves are your brothers and Allah has put them under your command. So whoever has a brother under his command should feed him of what he eats and dress him of what he wears. Do not ask them (slaves) to do things beyond their capacity (power) and if you do so, then help them.” (Al-Bukhari)

The Islamic way for treating slaves followed unprecedented humane commandments and precepts as well as practical steps that are regarded as a source of pride to Muslims. To cite some, let us recall a Prophetic hadith that shows how one should call a slave or ask him to do something.

Abu Hurairah reported Allah’s Messenger (Peace be upon him) as saying:

“None of you should say: ‘Supply drink to your lord, feed your lord, help your lord in performing ablution,’ and none of you should say: ‘My Lord.’ He should say: ‘My chief, my patron;’ and none of you should say: ‘My bondman, my slave-girl,’ but simply say: ‘My boy, my girl, my servant.’” (Muslim)

In Nigeria democracy lawyers are slaves to judges. You know what I meant don't you ?

While slavery previously constituted one of the biggest sources of the master’s richness, Islam turned it – through applying the above system of values which regarded the master and the slave as equal human beings – into a financial burden for the master. The master is required to feed the slave of what he eats and dress him of what he wears and not to ask him to do things beyond his power. Moreover, the master is even required to use euphemistic terms such as my boy, my girl or my servant instead of bondman and slave-girl respectively to safeguard the dignity of the slave.

Amazingly, Islam has gone far beyond the mere emancipation of slaves, as it did not leave them astray in the maze of the new world of freedom without arming them with the necessary power, team spirit or affiliation. Rather, it prescribed integrating them into the tribes and clans in which they previously lived as slaves. In so doing, Islam empowered them with the dignity, honor, rank and power of those tribes and clans through al-Walaa’ (allegiance).

But, why did Islam adopt gradual approach in prohibiting slavery?

Islam did not suddenly prohibit slavery for a number of reasons such as the reciprocal or mutual treatment with the other as is explained above.

Another reason is that modern history attests to the fact that enslavement has been regenerated in many different forms. Consequently, the most effective remedy for enslavement is to treat it whenever and wherever it reemerges in the same way as Islam gradually did.

Here, an important question arises: Did the decision to stop slavery in the modern age really abolish it?

It is true that the French Revolution (1789-1799) cancelled slavery in Europe and President Lincoln did the same in the USA just as the whole world have agreed to do this. However, is not the white slaves traffic a lucrative trade that is widespread today all over the world, especially in the USA and Europe?

The size of slave trade amounts to tens of billions of dollars annually as women and children are exploited in indecent acts, forced labor, and drugs trafficking and the like in direct contradiction to the international treaties and agreements as has been shown above. Whoever wants to learn about the size of such inhumane trade can be referred to any of the following reliable sources:

*Anti-Slavery International,
*United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime (UNODC),
*Amnesty International (AI),
*UN Children’s Fund (UNICEF), and
*International Labour Office (ILO).

A final word

It has now become apparent that graduation is a divine law that should be adopted in administering people’s affairs when a change is to be effected in their economic or social life. Real change cannot be effected through a sudden decision to be made by a king or a president or an Assembly Council or a Parliament or any form of leadership, etc. Rather, this can be effected only through graduation, that is, to prepare the people intellectually, psychologically, morally and socially to accept the intended change.

That was the very approach adopted by the [size=15pt]Ever-Glorious Qur’an and Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) to change the pre-Islamic life of ignorance into an Islamic life.[/size] Prophet Muhammad spent 13 years in Makkah where his mission was to educate a believing generation that later on could shoulder the responsibility of making da`wah. Therefore, the Makkan period was a period of education and formation rather than legislation and codification.

Sources:
[size=5pt][1] Zaqzuq, M. Hamdi (Ed.). Haqa’iq al-Islam fi Muwajahat al-Mushakikkin [Facts of Islam vs. the Doubters’ Distortions]. Supreme Council for Islamic Affairs, Egypt, 2006.

[2] www.moqatel.com

[2] The American Heritage Dictionary.

[3]Excerpted from The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language, Third Edition 1992 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Electronic version.

[4] Dr. Amir Abdullah, www.hurras.org

[5] An-Nasafi, Abdullah ibn Ahmed. Tafsir An-Nasafi. Verified by Magdi Mansur. Al-Maktabah Al-Tawfikiyyah, Egypt. Vol. 1-2, P. 282.

[6] Al-Khudrawi, Deeb. Dictionary of Islamic Terms: Arabic-English, English-Arabic. Al-Yamamah for Printing and Publishing, Damascus – Beirut, Darussalam, Riyadh, Houston, Lahore, 2004. [/size]

Empiree Is Literally Done With You On This Slavery Topic unless you want annular argument

true2god:
@ Empiree, can you explain how and when Islam abolished slavery using the quran. I don't want us to dabble into hadith because I will give you a lot of hadith that you wont like to read, so that you dont tell me it is not authentic.

AllNaijaBlogger:
I almost believed you until I noticed that you hardly quoted the Quran. Now, I haven't read the Quran or Hadith and so, I have to take your word on it. Remember that Ifeann and co, have quoted from the same hadith which you and others claim to be unreliable.

This is just my opinion. You almost convinced me.

"Contrary to your claim, Islam was the first religion to address slavery as a social problem. Since slavery was deeply entrenched in the society, it was not possible to abolish it at once but Islam put strategies in place for its gradual erosion, just like it treated other social problems. With respect to granting slave owners permission to have relations with slaves, this allowed for slaves to gain their freedom by getting pregnant for their masters, according to the law created to protect slaves and gradually destroy slavery. Children that were born under this circumstance automatically became free along with their mothers and they enjoyed the same right as other children, unlike in the Jewish tradition where children of slave women were treated differently from children of free women. In reality, therefore, the permission granted for having relations with slave women was one among the many unique steps taken by Islam in practically eradicating slavery."


Quran 2:177 "It is not righteousness that ye turn your faces Towards East or West; but it is righteousness to believe in God and the Last Day, and the Angels, and the Book, and the Messengers; to spend of your substance, out of love for Him (Allah), for your kin, for orphans, for the needy, for the wayfarer, for those who ask, and for the ransom of slaves;...."

Quran 24:33 "Let those who find not the wherewithal for marriage keep themselves chaste, until God gives them means out of His grace. And if any of your slaves ask for a deed in writing (to enable them to earn their freedom for a certain sum), give them such a deed if ye know any good in them: yea, give them something yourselves out of the means which God has given to you. But force not your maids to prostitution when they desire chastity, in order that ye may make a gain in the goods of this life. But if anyone compels them, yet, after such compulsion, is God, Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful (to them),"

Quran 90: 8-13
Have We not made for him two eyes?
And a tongue and two lips?
And have shown him the two ways?
But he has not broken through the difficult pass.
And what can make you know what is [breaking through] the difficult pass?
It is the freeing of a slave

Below is full chapter of Quran partially talks about freeing slaves, being kind to orphans and feed misers. Feed your eyes below: It is called Sura (chapter Balad) verses 1-20. Balad means city.


1 I do call to witness this City;-

2 And thou art a freeman of this City;-

3 And (the mystic ties of) parent and child;-

4 Verily We have created man into toil and struggle.

5 Thinketh he, that none hath power over him?

6 He may say (boastfully); Wealth have I squandered in abundance!

7 Thinketh he that none beholdeth him?

8 Have We not made for him a pair of eyes?-

9 And a tongue, and a pair of lips?-

10 And shown him the two highways?

11 But he hath made no haste on the path that is steep.

12 And what will explain to thee the path that is steep?-

13 (It is) freeing the bondman;

14 Or the giving of food in a day of privation

15 To the orphan with claims of relationship,

16 Or to the indigent (down) in the dust.

17 Then will he be of those who believe, and enjoin patience, (constancy, and self-restraint), and enjoin deeds of kindness and compassion.

18 Such are the Companions of the Right Hand.

19 But those who reject Our Signs, they are the (unhappy) Companions of the Left Hand.

20 On them will be Fire vaulted over (all round).

There are other verses spread out in the Quran like i previously told you.

parisbookaddict:
unlike the quran, don't forget slavery in biblical times is different from the 7th century arab slavery Mohammed practised..biblical slavery Was recorded 4000 years ago, that is over 2000 years before Jesus while Mohammed was born Just in the 7th century (600AD)..let's look at some quran and hadith verses regarding slavery. ..

hehehe #yeyelady. This witch trying to be smart. You probably got my post about timeline on slavery on other thread and you came up here with bogus excuse about 4000 and 2000 yrs. Try harder next time. I dey come for you soon.

And this crazy lady started again. Do you want me to kick your #$$ again?. Dear muslims, her fellow christian thugs already gave up on me on this thread. I fired them very hard and they ran off.
https://www.nairaland.com/2153126/top-ten-signs-youre-fundamentalist/4. I am just trying to find time to respond to parisbookaddict 's allegation about islam on sex slave with those verses she posted on that thread. Got no time yet. Please do go through the thread see how they gave up on me. I always win.

I know parisbookaddict is also ifeann but i am coming here to kick your butt again. And sorry, you can quote as many "ahadith" as you want. I am not aware of our prophet trading slaves. We base our religion on the standard of Quran not fabricated nonsense written about him.

following....

davidylan:
Not sure what the point is? I actually passed the bachelors stage over 10 years ago and i went to grad school (all 5 years of it) on a US government fellowship. What was your point exactly? By the way, $35k is not a "great" annual salary... that is a poverty wage.

Lol, Congratulations!

davidylan:
i am actually a molecular biologist with over 5 years direct bench research experience with genetic manipulation.

So are you a degree (Bsc) holder in this field?. This must have squeezed your pocket during studies.

This program will cost you between 40k-50k in masters dg in the US, depends on school of-course with great annual salary of between 35k-100k, isnt that wonderful

runnazz:
I wasn't joking & i don't need to study it very well cos its a known fact that preservatives and all the what not are unhealthy in the long run that's why i mentioned moderation if you read my previous comment properly

Care to watch....see what i am talking about. There is a need to return to farm and eat from what the earth produces. Not processed food that are basically genetically modified. That's my point. To be honest, i didn't think you were joking. That was just sarcasm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zU2i90Texvg

runnazz:
@ op thanks for the info

salt is unhealthy
sugar is dangerous
groundnut/veg oil is unhealthy
red meat is a killer
smoked fish is bad
bush meat na ebola
white rice no longer good
Lunch meats, smoked meats, bacon, sausage and other processed meats Kills
Refined flour, found in cakes, cookies and snack foods kills u too
All fast foods,cake frosting,Microwave Popcorn,Pancakes,packaged cookies
Yogurt,Ketchup,cereals,frozen meals
alcohol is dangerous
smoking kills
too much tv/computer screens affect the sight
sex is dangerous;even with protection
coffee,tea,soda the list is endless..all get coma

na wetin man go do now,i like instant noodles but i think the key here is moderation cos if we say make we just dey follow everything when them talk life no go sweet again oo

Jokes aside, it's true that food are now corrupted. They used to natural. They are now chemicals. Go and study this subject very well.

Threatening Calls
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmUuViZu1sg

true2god:
A piuos muslim (e) will do anything (likeignce) to protect the honour of the islamic prophet moahammed.

true2god:
[size=4pt]will accuse you of quoting a 'weak' hadith as long as it doesn't speak well of Islam.
To butress your point, I have certain questions and answers.
Did christian europe participated in slave trade? Yes.
Did muslim arabs participated in slave trade? Yes.
Have christian europe apologized for that slave trade crime? Yes.
Have muslim arab apologize for that slave trade crime? No.
Have european authors written books condemning the slave trade era? Yes.
Have muslim authors written books condemning arab roles in slave trade? No
have the european christians done many films demonizing\condemning slavery? Yes.
Have muslims done any film demonzing and condemning slavery? No.
REASON: Any attempt by any muslim\arab at doing the above will be an indirect indictment against the islamic prophet who fully and actively participated in slave trade.

[/size]
hehehe, I'm winning now you seem to agree that Christianity was initially responsible for slavery. Now you agreed that Christianity and Christian fanatics who colonized the whole world are indeed guilty.

Whether they condemned or apologized is irrelevant. The deed is done and still hunting. When folks think of slavery, what comes to mind is Christianity. That's widely understood.

Christians apologized but have institution of slavery in place.

Christian apologized but never de-coloonized their former colonies

Christians apologized but setting up new form of slavery (Africom).

Arab slave trades was not worldwide or widely known to many. After all, it all started by you freaking people. Your apologies are not accepted because it was not sincere. You lied at the beginning that Christians and Christianity had nothing to do with slavery. So who's a liar now? You

Am glad you confessed. Glory be to Allah. I am wining. Oh wait oh, it was only 8-9 years ago NY officially apologized for slavery after over 400years. I don't know of UK. Either way, ancient Christians did not apologize because there is no reference for that in the bible.

I won't personally worry about Arabs apologies because their mischievous involvement have less global impacts unlike you Christian slave masters. All evidences abound and obvious. So brother, keep your "apologies" "condemnations" to yourself. It should have been made at least since 70AD or before our prophet Muhammad ( God bless him) was born to deal with your mess.

Empire's wining

Thank you liekiller for giving me oppportunity to contribute on your thread. Very interesting. I dey enjoy am.

Rilwayne001:
She created the acct yesterday.

I just found out now. I wont interfare with her unless she crosses my line again. I will kick her again.

Rilwayne001:
Thats the alternate acct ifeann is using, better ignore her/he

That's her...seriously?. Okay, now i know. How did you know that?. I kicked the hell out of her that's why she put on another "clothing"

true2god:
@ Empiree,

You need not be angry. Neither Jesus nor the apostles (John, peter, james, philip, barthilomew, james, paul, mathias etc) partcipated nor traded in slaves. Why do you want them to right on evil they never participated or practiced (tho' there was slavery at that time)?

Mohammed, and his sahadas, (companions) on the other hand fully engaged in slave trade. The hadith and the quran (a supposedly litearal words from allah) [s]fully endorssed slavery and prescribed how to have sexx with female slaves.[/s]

Dont blame me, blame mohammed and allah for not doing the right thing. You wont take my points rational as long as you take allah serios.

Honestly, you are just being stiff-neck. Allnaijablogger guy got my points.I made my points clear. If you claim John, Mathew, Mark, Luke, Philip, James and so on did not participate, why did they not abolish it?. Abolition was not recorded in NT. That's means abolishing slavery was not in their best interest. They were culprits. My points are very clear and precise. And who told you im angry. Did i sound like that to you?. smh...excuses as usual

AllNaijaBlogger:
Did Muhammad stop slavery? No
Did Islam abolish slavery? No
Do islamic countries use Islamic law to rule abolish slavery? No
Do islamic countries use secular law to rule abolish slavery? Yes


Both christianity and islam have issues with slavery, my friend. We have both abolished it. No religion between the two is better. Stop trying to compare islam as if it has had a better record.


This is my last post here. slavery is outdated, let us each face our own religions in tolerance and peace.

hehehehehe #yeyeman. Now you backed off. I don tire you self. But before, you and true2god made it look like Islam was responsible for it 100% and "Christians" who traded did slaves had nothing to do with Christianity. Nonsense.

The real reason Paul, Peter, Mathew, Mark, Luke and John made little or no reference to slavery in New Testament was because Old Testament was used to achieve their christiandom, christian civilization etc. They massacred and destroyed primitive people to get to the top. After they achieved everything they wanted, they now claimed their God is now peaceful. That He has renounced violence. That same God now transformed to three headed-god and he's peaceful and loving in New Testament. That's bu'llshit if you ask me.

But in the Old Testament, he is violent, detroyer, He was just killing men, women and children. He killed killed killed and killed and intimidated people. He then went for rehab and came out smiling, loving, caring, "no more crusade" bla bla bla after he already achieved everything by violence. And almost everything about his violence past barely recorded in New Testament. In Old Testament, he had swords of Achilles, shield and armor and wore 'abaya'. He rode on camels and horses. After he came out from rehab as "nonviolence", he now rides on BMW, he puts on suit and tie and declared "no more crusade" after he already destroyed people's lives. And now he wants Muhammad to deal with the mess he created. Nonsense!

true2god:
@ Empiree,

The espistle of Paul to the ephesians and the corinthians you mentiones did not say anything about slaves but servants. Paul was drawing an analogy on the need for authority to be respected, using the relationship between a master and a servant to drive home his points.

You can read the places you referenced in the book of ephesians and corinthians for a better understanding. They are written in a simple and plain english.

FACTS:

*Did slavery or slave trades exist before prophet Muhammad(Allah's peace and blessings be upon him)? YES

*Did Jews and Christians preceded Muhammad? YES

*Did Jews and Christians have enough grace to abolish slavery before Muhammad? YES

*How many years? 600 years (six centuries)

*Did they abolish slavery within that period? NO

You can not deny these obvious facts. Any wonder why slavery is not recorded much in New Testament?. It's because writers deliberately left it out. How in the world slavery existed before Muhammad and during New Testament era and nothing recorded regarding slavery?. That's hell of culprits. Ancient Jews and Christians had 600 yrs to abolish slavery but Peter, Paul, Mathew, Mark, Luke and John were busy fabricating stories about three-headed gods and left out slavery part.

You can't deny slavery existed between the demise of Jesus (peace be upon him) and advent of Muhammad(peace be upon him). Why did they leave out slave trade in NT?. Slavery recorded in the OT didn't just happen by accident. It happened because Jews, Christians and Pagan Arabs all traded slaves. If you deny this, I ask you why was this event not recorded in NT?. Are you saying Jesus was just sitting around and ignored like it didn't exist?

Ancient Jews and Christians waited for 600 yrs for arrival of Muhammad to abolish what they started. Muhammad was sent to the whole world (of seen and unseen, living and non living things, animals and plants etc). And he delivered the message within 23 yrs period and at the same time had to deal with the mess created Jews and Christians of old.

But MATHEW, MARK, LUKE AND JOHN are not prophets sent by God. They had no job to do. So why did they not talk about slavery?. Why all of a sudden NT barely gives reference to slavery?. So why are you saying Christianity has nothing to do with slavery. That's false. And now you want to blame prophet Muhammad?.

European Christians of course did not start slavery but they pursued the same agenda in different fashion (i:e through secularism) but same agenda of Christians of old. They too quoted Bible at some point during their dirty business. And all the Arab and Muslim countries you mentioned earlier that were forced to end slavery, they themselves were under colonialism of European christian slave traders and masters. They were not independent.

parisbookaddict:
[s]Hahahaaaaa. .. u claim to defend Islam yet u quote Osama Abdallah of answering christainity...I have known Osama Abdallah for months and he is a well known lair and fabricator of "facts"... he is a fat muslim that even muslims dont take serious..

he is such a funny guy, a lost conspiracy theorist. .Look below for one of his states I captured. [/s].

And i have known him for yrs. Oponu

parisbookaddict:
Volume 1, Book 4, Number 234:
Narrated Abu Qilaba:
Anas said, "Some people of 'Ukl or 'Uraina tribe came to Medina and its
climate did not suit them. So the Prophet ordered them to go to the
herd of (Milch) camels and to drink their milk and urine (as a medicine).
So they went as directed and after they became healthy, they killed the
shepherd of the Prophet and drove away all the camels. The news
reached the Prophet early in the morning and he sent (men) in their
pursuit and they were captured and brought at noon. He then ordered
to cut their hands and feet (and it was done), and their eyes were
branded with heated pieces of iron, They were put in 'Al-Harra' and
when they asked for water, no water was given to them." Abu Qilaba
said, " Those people committed theft and murder, became infidels after
embracing Islam and fought against Allah and His Apostle ."

Answer:
The scientific facts about some animals' urine:

A comment from sister Nicole Woods, an American young sister who embraced Islam; may Allah Almighty always be pleased with her: "I just wanted to share the news with you that in products such as tylenol or asparine (not sure which but u can check the labels), there is an ingredient called PREMARIN. Biology majors here tell me that the name stands for PREgnant MARe urIN. Of course, no one would put unprocessed urine into medication... i'm sure it's boiled or pasteurized or something. But the ingredient is used very much in the way the prophet (peace be upon him) suggested using camel urine.. such as for headaches. oh, well, i'm sure to you it sounds disgusting... think of it next time u reach for tylenol or asparine *wink*"


Further from a Muslimah, who works in the Medical field as a Mammographer; may Allah Almighty always be pleased with her: "Estrogen product called PREMARIN is given to postmenopausal Women. This PREMARIN is extracted from HORSE URINE. The Estrogen product is hormones given to women."

Further from brother Abu Adam on my Message Board; may Allah Almighty always be pleased with him:

"Here is another miracle in the Hadeeth. The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) in a hadeeth told someone to drink camel's urine as a medical treatment.

Of course the ignorant Christians love to mock this hadeeth. Even I, thought this was a strange hadeeth. But look, in America, they have been driking horse urine for a long time as a cure.

Just like the Quran says, 41:53: "Soon will We show them our Signs in the (furthest) regions (of the earth), and in their own souls, until it becomes manifest to them that this is the Truth. Is it not enough that thy Lord doth witness all things?"

Further from brother Abdul Hafiz; may Allah Almighty always be pleased with him.

The Prophet prescribing Camel Urine as medicine:

First of all, let us clarify the reason and story behind the prescription. Some people had become very ill at the time of the prophet, and were suffering from an unknown illness. Their bellies had swollen and they were not in a fit state. Hence, the prophet said to them, that they would find a cure in the milk and urine of a camel and so he sent them out to an area where camels were grazing. These men went to this area and drank the milk and urine. Sure enough, just like the Prophet said, they were cured and became fit and healthy.

However, at the same time, evil thoughts entered their minds and they decided they wanted the camels for themselves. They therefore killed the owner, and made off with the camels. When news of the murder reached the prophet, he sent an envoy to capture the men, and when they were captured and brought before the prophet, capital punishment was meted out to them.

Having read this story, what do we conclude from it? The answering islam team would have us believe that this Hadith means that drinking camel urine is permissible in Islam. This is INCORRECT. The real meaning of this Hadith is that if a person needs to consume an impure and impermissible substance as a cure for an illness, and no other reasonable alternative is available, then it is permissible. In all other circumstances, camel urine is prohibited.

Wassalaam

http://www.answering-christianity.com/urine.htm

AllNaijaBlogger:
There is slavery in the bible but it is old testament.

We christians are under new dispensation with Christ and the New testament. The New Testament said that there is neither slave nor free in the light if Jesus Christ. We are all humans.


The difference between you and I is that I do not deny the unsavoury parts of the bible.

You in the other hand tried to deceive me by not showing how the Quran deals with the issue of slavery.

Others have even shown how wrong you are on Arab slavery.

You need to learn how to dicuss.

The video i posted earlier explained much. Its your cup of coffee if you chose not to watch it. Get more clue here. Or copy and paste it in your browser
http://home.insightbb.com/~adamwatson/showcase/quranslavery.html

true2god:
[quote author=AllNaijaBlogger post=30967115]The catholic church and europe engagement in slavery has nothing to do with christianity. There is nowhere in new testament scriptures where slavery was encourage. Jesus, the mediator of the testament did not practice or encourage slavery. Reference to slavery was made in the judaism old testament of the Jewish scripture.

They (christian europe) were doing it purely for commercial and economic interest and not following after the footstep of Jesus as regards slavery.

[size=15pt]New Testament[/size]
During the 1st-century New Testament times, slaves who converted to Christianity were regarded as freedmen, brothers in Christ, and included in Christ's kingdom inheritance. These slaves were told to serve their masters as if they were serving Christ, with honesty, faithfulness and respect (Ephesians 6:5-8 KJV). Slaves were encouraged by Paul the Apostle in his first Corinthian Epistle to seek or purchase their freedom whenever possible. (I Corinthians 7:21 KJV). That these things were possible suggests something of the nature of slavery in the first century for a significant proportion of those in this situation.

Avery Robert Dulles held the opinion that "Jesus, though he repeatedly denounced sin as a kind of moral slavery, said not a word against slavery as a social institution", [/b]and believes that [b]the writers of the New Testament did not oppose slavery either. In a paper published in Evangelical Quarterly, Kevin Giles notes that, while he often encountered it, "not one word of criticism did the Lord utter against slavery"; moreover a number of his stories are set in a slave/master situation, and involve slaves as key characters. Giles notes that these circumstances were used by pro-slavery apologists in the 19th century to suggest that Jesus approved of slavery.

It is clear from all the New Testament material that slavery was a basic part of the social and economic environment. Many of the early Christians were slaves. In several Pauline epistles, and the First Epistle of Peter, slaves are admonished to obey their masters, as to the Lord, and not to men. Masters were also told to serve their slaves in the same way. The basic principle was "you have the same Master in heaven, and with him there is no partiality." Peter was aware that there were masters that were gentle and masters that were harsh; slaves in the latter situation were to make sure that their behavior was beyond reproach, and if punished for doing right, to endure the suffering as Christ also endured it. The key theological text is Paul's declaration in his letter to the Galatian churches that (NIV version) "There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus",[49] suggesting that Christians take off these titles because they are now clothed in Christ.

Paul's Epistle to Philemon was an important text for both pro-slavery advocates and abolitionists. This short letter is written to be delivered by the hand of Onesimus, a fugitive slave, whom Paul is sending back to his master Philemon. Paul entreats Philemon to regard Onesimus as a beloved brother in Christ. Cardinal Dulles points out that, "while discreetly suggesting that he manumit Onesimus, [Paul] does not say that Philemon is morally obliged to free Onesimus and any other slaves he may have had."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_views_on_slavery

So slaves had to convert to Christianity to be freed.

true2god:
The catholic church and europe engagement in slavery has nothing to do with christianity. There is nowhere in new testament scriptures where slavery was encourage. Jesus, the mediator of the testament did not practice or encourage slavery. Reference to slavery was made in the judaism old testament of the Jewish scripture.

They (christian europe) were doing it purely for commercial and economic interest and not following after the footstep of Jesus as regards slavery.

bogus

AllNaijaBlogger:
There is slavery in the bible but it is old testament.

We christians are under new dispensation with Christ and the New testament. The New Testament said that there is neither slave nor free in the light if Jesus Christ. We are all humans.


The difference between you and I is that I do not deny the unsavoury parts of the bible.

You in the other hand tried to deceive me by not showing how the Quran deals with the issue of slavery.

Others have even shown how wrong you are on Arab slavery.



You need to learn how to dicuss.

i knew you would come with that silly excuse. New Testament was an invention by Tom, Dick and Harry. How's NT superior over OT when it's clearly written ...Jesus said:

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.Matthew 5:17

“It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid.” (Luke 16:17)

[size=15pt]“Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law” (John7:19)[/size]

Silly excuse yet you still carry Old Testament under your arm. You still use it when you want to support Israel. You still use it when you want quote some good stuff. But when it comes to applying the LAW...you quickly and hypocritically turn away from it with silly excuse "Oh that's Old Testament". Nonsense.

You used Old Testament to commit crimes against humanity. You used it to achieve your civilization and robbed primitive people. After you done and satisfied yourselves, you then claim your God is now peaceful. No more violence. Crusade is over etc. In order to hide your filth, you invented "New Testament". What a load of crap!

parisbookaddict:
All christain majority countries have anti-slavery laws.. inculding atheist countries such as china....however islamic countries do NOT have anti-slavery laws because it against the quran..the latest islamic calipjate ISIS TRADES SLAVES and sex slaves...Empiree ur defense for islam is both comical and appalling. .

In the past few months, the world has witnessed horrific accounts of the enslavement of thousands of innocent Yazidis and other religious minorities by ISIS partisans in Iraq and Syria.

In a recent article in its online English-language magazine, ISIS ideologues offered legal justifications for the enslavement of these non-Muslim non-combatants, stating that “enslaving the families of the kuffar [infidels] and taking their women as concubines is a firmly established aspect of the Shariah or Islamic law.”

The article argues, based on a variety of Shariah sources, that ISIS partisans have a religious duty to kill or enslave members of the Yazidi community as part of their struggle [jihad] against their enemies.

This argument is plainly wrong, hypocritical and astonishingly ahistorical, relying on male fantasies inspired by stories from the days of imperial Islam.

It is also an affront to right-thinking Muslims everywhere and a criminal perversion of Islamic law, particularly its primary source, the Glorious Quran.

Jurists around the world acknowledge that there is now a universal consensus recognizing an irrefutable human right to be free from slavery and slave-trading.

This right, like the rights to be free from genocide, torture, racial discrimination and piracy, has become a bedrock principle of human affairs. ISIS seeks to remove Islamic jurisprudence from this universal consensus by citing Quranic verses that recognize the existence of chattel slavery.

Citation to Quranic verses on chattel slavery at first blush seems to make this point because the Quran, like other religious texts, accepted the existence of chattel slavery as a fact of life at the time of its revelation.

It is also true, however, that the Quran established an entirely new ethic on the issue of slavery and ISIS’s selective use of certain Quranic texts to justify contemporary chattel slavery ignores this fact.

First, consistent with the new ethic, the emphasis in all of the revelations on slavery is on the emancipation of slaves, not on their capture or the continuation of the institution of slavery. (See, for example, verses 2:177, 4:25, 4:92, 5:89, 14:31, 24:33, 58:3, 90:1-12.)

There is not one single verse suggesting that the practice should continue. Further, the Quran makes no mention of slave-markets or slave-trading and it repeatedly exhorts believers to free their slaves as an exemplification of their piety and belief in God.

Perhaps the best example of this emancipatory ethic is chapter 90, which is explicitly addressed to the Prophet Muhammad. It posits that there are two roads one can take in life and that the “high road” is the one that leads the righteous human being to free slaves.

The Prophet followed this exhortation, exhibiting a great solicitude for the material and spiritual condition of the slaves in the society around him. His example inspired his companions to emancipate thousands of slaves and, in an oft-quoted statement, he remarked that he would meet the man who “sells a free man as a slave and devours his price” on Judgment Day.

This is an explicit condemnation of trafficking in free human beings.

It is true that there are reported examples from the Prophet’s life that describe him as giving and receiving slaves and he even used slavery as a tool of conquest in war.

He freed all of his individually owned slaves and the wartime circumstances in those reports were very unique, involving specific people who engaged in war or treachery against him.

There is only one Quranic verse, 47:4, that authorizes capture of prisoners of war and it does not permit slavery, ordering military commanders to either free the prisoners gratis or hold them for ransom.

Enslaving a prisoner of war is therefore arguably illegal and certainly enslaving a non-combatant is likewise an Islamic crime.

Many forget that, for hundreds of years, Muslim imperialists and slave-traders illegally raided non-combatant villages in Eastern Europe, West Africa, East Africa, India and Southeast Asia, plundering, pillaging and capturing and raping women and children with impunity under pretextual jihads.

It seems that the ISIS ideologues want to revive this shameful legacy.

Traditionalist interpreters conclude that slavery is lawful in Islam simply because there is Quranic legislation regulating it, suggesting an implied permission.

Even the traditionalists must acknowledge, however, that all of the Quranic verses on slavery arise in contexts that overwhelmingly encourage emancipation.

Why is this? It is because the Quranic intendment contemplated a gradual disappearance of chattel slavery.

This is exactly what has happened in history. ISIS refers to the disappearance of chattel slavery in the Muslim world as an “abandonment” of the Shariah.

This is wrong. Rather, the verses contemplate the advent of a slavery-free society through the vehicle of emancipation.
http://www.loonwatch.com/2014/11/isis-says-islam-justifies-slavery-what-does-islamic-law-say/

You know, your Bible contains scores of verses that mention slavery. But no where does it ever condemn the practice, per se.

true2god:
@ Empiree,

[size=3pt]You are seriosly being disingenuous. Both saudi arabia and yemen stopped slavery in 1962 (due to pressure from the british), oman abolished slavery in 1970, mauritania stopped slavery in 1905.

However countries like chad, niger, mali and sudan still practise slavery till date and all the countries I mentioned as muslim\muslim-dominated countries.

No single quranic verse nor hadith abolished slavery. The Islamic principle is this, if a slaves becomes a muslim, the owner is expected (with time) to grant him\her his freedom, but is the slave does not convert to islam he\she remains a slave. There is no single record that a muslim slave owner freed hid slave who didn't convert to islam.

And as a religios policy, a muslim is never expected to enslave a fellow muslim hence it became a rational option for virtually all slaves under a muslim master to convert to islam in order to get a fresh air.[/size]

Christian views on slavery are varied both regionally and historically. Slavery in various forms has been a part of the social environment for much of Christianity's history, spanning well over eighteen centuries. In the early years of Christianity, slavery was a normal feature of the economy and society in the Roman Empire, and this persisted in different forms and with regional differences well into the Middle Ages.[1] Most Christian figures in that early period such as Saint Augustine, accepted slavery as an inevitability whereas some, such as Saint Patrick (a former slave), were opposed to it. Both the Old Testament and New Testament treat slavery as a given, to the extent of (in the case of the Old Testament) laying down regulations for its "just" practice. Historically this has presented a challenge for Christians advocating against slavery. Generally speaking, up until the 18th century Christianity accepted slavery, but had no public opinion for or against it. Eighteen centuries after the birth of Christianity (in the context of a particularly savage and rapacious slave system), the abolition movement took shape across the globe, groups who advocated slavery's abolition struggled to use Christian teachings in support of their positions. Instead they turned from the specific references to the practice in the tradition to a more general appeal to concepts such as 'the spirit of Christ', and textual argumentation.[2]
The issue of Christianity and slavery is therefore one that has seen intense conflict. In the eighteenth and nineteenth century debates in the UK and the US passages in the Bible were used by both pro-slavery advocates and abolitionists to support their respective views.

The video provides proper understanding of "slavery" in islam. And what's the countries you mentioned up there got to do with islam?. I dont know why you people trying to cover up slave trade established the name of Christianity that affected the whole. Too late for you to come up with bogus excuses. You basically trying to indict islam. smh for you man

parisbookaddict:
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honestly you need lots of education. Hope you will ponder and watch this educative video

AllNaijaBlogger:
I don't know much about Islam but I know much about hypocrisy/dishonesty.

Honestly, this is reason you need to shut up. Imagine atheists quoting endlessly from bible's justification of slavery by quoting whatever. It makes sense to them but as christian you will try to defend it, isn't ?.

I can go on and quote bible and proof it supports slavery regardless of your defense. But i have better sense than that . There's reason op opened this thread because she recognized clearly that christian colonization of Africa has greater disadvantages on Africa than anything else. Because your conscience hunts you is the reason you people attack islam here.

And no, i wasn't running away. it's late here.

AllNaijaBlogger:
What are you saying? Ifeann and others quoted directly quoted from the hadiths. You can claim that she and the others are not muslim scholars and that their interpretations are wrong BUT some of those hadith verses were clearly problematic. These problematic hadith were explained away by your fellow muslims as "weak" and "fabricated".

If you can claim that the very hadith is fabricated when it doesn't suit you, how can you then use it for an argument that suits you?

If I remember correctly, Ifeann posted a verse from the Quran about sex with slaves. I do not remember the verse but she linked to it. I think it is there. So when you avoid using the Quran or tell me that the Quran has nothing on slaves, I cannot trust you.

You not serious at all. I seem to get where you are going. Fact is, clearly, clearly, in our modern time, no doubt slavery exist globally in another form usually through IMF, who controls is Judeo/Christian folks. Check naira to #217-$1. Islam responsible for that?. You dont think. No, forget about ifea now, that's not a credible fellow.

Help yourself... goodnight

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5gJ4e0bV1o#t=33

AllNaijaBlogger:
I almost believed you until I noticed that you hardly quoted the Quran. Now, I haven't read the Quran or Hadith and so, I have to take your word on it. Remember that Ifeann and co, have quoted from the same hadith which you and others claim to be unreliable.

This is just my opinion. You almost convinced me.

Lol, there is no Quran verse(s) that ordered slavery either. Unlike yours. Quran in most cases respond and carefully dealt with those fellas who owned slaves at the time. Is like trying to condemn a thug from smoking Igbo(weed). You dont do that overnight. Slowly but surely is the way to go. That's why it's more practical aspect(hadith) which the prophet went through 23yrs period with instruction (from Quran) on how to deal with them.Those Quran verses are scattered. You can't deny slavery existed before him. They are dealt with different times.

No, ifean was just pasting endlessly. Some of them are correct but she doesnt understand them and they are plain and clear. Some of them need interpretation. Some are simply bogus. But it doesn't make sense arguing with a barking dog. That's her case. She's simply not a scholar of islam even though she claimed to quote from Islamic sources. That's irrelevant. She's merely threading religion NOT knowing it. I see that flaws with her. What she was attempting was scholarly works not copying and pasting and reading. Besides, Quran is not history book where every Tom, Dick and Harry writes whatever they want like yours

Slavery was never easy to eliminate

johnydon22, his creed is based on the ideology of a famous Black organization in America, "Nation Of Islam". It was founded by Elijah Poole later called Elijah Muhammad. He was the leader of the organization from 1930 until his death in 1975.

Their creed is they believe White men were the devils and Black men were gods. This is contrary to the belief of Muslims (i:e Islam revealed to all God's prophets to Muhammad of Arabia 1400 yrs ago). I can understand political, economic and social deprivation of Black people in America at that time. But, it could have made easy if they embrace Islam sent down by God.

"Nation Of Islam", as they are called are NOT Muslims. Their creed is mixed and crooked. They believe as christian believe that God came down as Jesus....this organization also believe God came down in person of Fard Muhammad. This belief system is direct opposite to Islam.

Muslims, or most muslim dislike to call them by NOI ([size=5pt]nation of islam[/size]). Islam revealed to Prophet Muhammad(saw) of Arabia 1400 yrs ago does not discriminate against people. It does not recognize color of our skin nor does it recognize superiority of White over Black or Black over White except for righteousness and piety.

"O Mankind, We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female and made you into nations and tribes, that you may know each other(and not to despise one another). Verily the most honored of you in the sight of God is he who is the most righteous of you" (Quran 49:13).

In the above verse of Quran, there is no mentioned of race instead, mankind. That's, all humans regardless of race, color etc.

In the last sermon of prophet Muhammad (Allah's blessings be upon him), he said:

Statement of the universal brotherhood in the last Sermon:

O people, Remember that your Lord is One. An Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a black has no superiority over white, nor a white has any superiority over black, except by piety and good action (Taqwa). Indeed the best among you is the one with the best character (Taqwa). Listen to me. Did I convey this to you properly? People responded, Yes. O messenger of God, The Prophet then said, then each one of you who is there must convey this to everyone not present. (Excerpt from the Prophet's Last Sermon as in Baihiqi)

Don't take pride in ancestry:

The Prophet said: Let people stop boasting about their ancestors. One is only a pious believer or a miserable sinner. All men are sons of Adam, and Adam came from dust (Abu Dawud, Tirmidhi).

The Prophet condemnation of Arab racial pride:

There are many hadith, which repeatedly strike on the Arab pride of jahiliyyah(period of ignorance). Arabs before Islam used to look down upon others specially blacks. The Prophet repeatedly contrasted the believing Africans versus non-believing Arab nobles.

The Prophet said: You should listen to and obey your ruler even if he was an Ethiopian slave whose head looked like a raisin (Bukhari).

"And mankind is naught but a single nation."
Holy Quran 2:213

And of His signs is the creation of the heavens and the earth and the diversity of your languages and your colors. Indeed in that are signs for those of knowledge. Quran 30:22

So you can see clearly this is contrary to his ideology/creed. NOI's activities is basically restricted to Americas. As you can see that he didnt provide any proof from Islam Holy Book, Quran. Everything he said is his theory NOT Islam.

On who is Allah, Qur'an answers who Allah is, here is the translation. See Arabic text below

Say, "He is Allah , [who is] One,
Allah , the Eternal Refuge.
He neither begets nor is born,
Nor is there to Him any equivalent."

So everything he said about Allah without knowledge, is inconsistent, incoherent, inaccurate, blasphemous, unfounded and contrary to the creed and ideology of Muslims. Allah is NOT a black man. We can not see Him. Islam is not religion of race or ethnicity. Malcolm x was fine example.

He broke off from the so called NOI in 1964 after he went to Mecca and saw blacks, whites ate together in the same plate, walked together, performed the same religious duties together. When he returned to America, he broke off from so called nation of islam founded by Elijah Muhammad (born Elijah Robert Poole; October 7, 1897 – February 25, 1975) now headed by his successor, Louis Farrakhan.

Note Prophet Muhammad existed 1400 years ago. So you can see the difference. What they called nation of Islam in America is pseudo supported indirectly by zionists. Anyways, Malcolm x broke away from the nation and became true Muslim until his death. He recognized that his former organization was established on race and that they believe White people can not be muslim. This concept is wrong. So mr. gatiano neither understands who Allah is nor does he understands Islam altogether. Religion is one thing on its own. Race is another. Hope this helps.