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The most misconceptions about this your post is that you couldn't distinguish between speaking in tongues to pass message to the church and speaking in tongues to communicate personally with God.

The day you will be able to distinguish between these two is the day you'll understand.

joewychampion:
The word tongue does not mean a strange, non-human sound or utterance.

This negate what Apostle Paul says about Tongues.

Since the Bible testifies that authentic speaking in tongues involves speaking a real, knowable language

It's evident you don't understand that scene at Pentecost.

You people will concentrate on just what the languages the people spoke but not what Holy Spirit did.

The Acts 2:4 says "The Holy Spirit took control of everyone, and they began speaking whatever languages the Spirit let them speak."

Notice @underlined, the Holy Spirit chooses to let them SPEAK IN THAT ARRANGEMENT. Which is what the Holy Spirit wants to achieve at that time.

then the fact that the modern-day practice of "speaking in tongues" involves uttering gibberish or chanting repetitive sounds is clear evidence it is a manmade attempt to imitate a work of God and not a genuine movement of the Spirit.

Are you the Holy Spirit who enable people to speak THESE UNKNOWN LANGUAGES before you can conclude to call it gibberish?

Apostle Paul says "If you speak languages that others don't know, God will understand what you are saying, though no one else will know what you mean. You will be talking about mysteries that only the Spirit understands."

So going by your twisted statement, how come someone will speak and still NO ONE ELSE will UNDERSTAND but ONLY THE HOLY SPIRIT WILL UNDERSTAND?

Myer:
If you don't mind me asking, what do you have against my mentioning the word Trinity?

I don't have anything against you talking about Trinity but my main concern is staying within the corridor of POV. Going out of POV is derailing your own thread.

If you want to discuss Trinity, it's either you create a thread about it or come clear on it during the discussion on a thread.

Myer:
If the bible is about God and Man and Trinity is an explanation of God and Man, do you still not see where this is going?

You're the only one who knows what is moving and where it's going.

The word Trinity was not mentioned by you or Max but it was the basis or your argument about Jehovah (God the Father) and Jesus (God the Son).

If I never mentioned Trinity, then how can it be the basis of my discussion?

I simply quote what the Bible says, Max made his own claim which I asked him to simply provide a Bible verse to support his claim.

So you ended up bringing what was never part of my discussion and try to force it in my mouth is what I don't understand here.

Was this thread about Trinity? No!

Did I mention anything like Trinity? No!

So, why must you bring Trinity into this discussion?

Myer:
That there's a lacuna in your understanding of the Trinity. When you understand it better you will understand my point and every other thing in the bible will make more sense.

When Trinity was never the point of discussion!

When I never mentioned anything like Trinity!

Yet you can say "...there's a lacuna in your understanding of the Trinity."

Something must be wrong somewhere....

Myer:
Ok. Exactly my point.

Which point?

advocatejare:
Cowardice MaxInDHouse Army deserter, you’ve run away from answering my questions

I hope you’re not subjecting your wife to mental torture like Russell your useless founder did to his wife

He claimed he stop His wife from commenting on Nairaland religion section even though it was his wife who introduced him to Nairaland.

Looking at some post from the moniker he claimed his wife uses on Nairaland which he also uses when his account suspended or banned, one can see that his wife is not brainwashed like him and far more intelligent than him.

Check the attached pics below

Sand2022:
Almost all christian sect claim Jesus founded their religion, including JWs. We all know it's a claim. Don't blame the JWs, what else do you expect?

You're wrong here!

Most Christians denominations never claimed Jesus is the founder of their denominations but Jesus CHRIST is the Founder of Christianity and He CALLED THEM to work for Him (even though some are lying).

JWs made that spurious claim for their selfish reasons. After claiming the name CHRISTIANITY has been polluted, bastardized and of Satan which is the reason why Jehovah gave them a new name (Jehovah Witness) they'll still hide under pretence and called themselves Christians to suit certain agenda.

Myer:
And I replied that every thing is hinged on our understanding of Trinity.

Was this thread about Trinity? No!

Did I made any point that links to Trinity? No!

There are some understanding of scriptures we can't really get until we have a deeper understanding of the Trinity of God and Man.

Of what point does this address my point when I never talk about Trinity?

You created this thread and no where Trinity appears on it.

MaxInDHouse:
The story is read by lots of people Jesus' case is not accepted by the Jews till today so when talking about what everyone can prove there is no sense in quoting someone out of context.

Story story

Who WAS the richest person in the Bible?

I said it's Jesus Christ 2 Corin 8:9

Jesus has nothing it's his disciples that says he has something based on their faith that he is someone great in heaven not here on earth!

Jesus has everything! That's why Paul can say He is rich!

Where is the Bible verse that says Jehovah is rich.

Just one verse, you can't cover that up

Myer:
Read our previous posts, your response to my first mention of Trinity.

I said my post WAS never about Trinity.

Was it?

Myer:
It's in aptly in response to your post on Trinity.

But my post was never about Trinity!

Myer:
Every thing about the bible hinges on your understanding of Trinity.

While Jesus Christ was physically on earth, he was not God the Father. Hence He could only have/do whatever God the Father decided/willed he should have/do in that moment/hour.

John.5.19 - Then Jesus answered and said to them, "Most assuredly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of Himself, but what He sees the Father do; for whatever He does, the Son also does in like manner.

Are you sure, you quote the right post?

Myer:
The challenge here is our different understanding of Trinity.

Nothing even concerns TRINITY here.

Spiritually Jesus Christ is the richest
Materially Adam should be the richest but he lost it to Satan.

Nothing like spiritually, Jesus owns everything in the universe and the Bible says Jesus is rich. Considering when such statement never used for Adam.

Hence materially King Solomon is the richest.
Spiritually and materially, Abraham can be said to be the richest.

Jesus is rich for God to pen this down from Holy Spirit through His apostle shows no one's come close.

MaxInDHouse:
His disciples said this which can't be proved unlike Adam!

So the disciples are wrong, is that so?

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus can't be that person because he wasn't human so what he had isn't visible to anyone but Adam had it all.

But Jesus was Human while on Earth. Isn't it?

You also agree that Jesus is the second Adam, so if the first Adam is the richest, why won't second Adam more richer than the first considering when Bible even says it plainly that Jesus is RICH?

So if Jesus will have everything it's when He takes over the rulership of the earth from Satan until then Jesus has only his disciples on this planet!

Can you see this open lie against the scripture?

Aren't ALL CREATIONS belongs to Jesus?

"Jesus approached and spoke to them, saying: “All authority has been given me in heaven and on the earth." Matt 28:18 - NWT

Myer:
Every thing takes understanding. He is not wrong either.

He is wrong.

Adam is the one God willed the whole earth to.

That a rich man willed all his properties to a son doesn't mean the son is rich.

We are all his seeds, even Abraham and King Solomon are his seeds. So he is scripturally right.

Then there shouldn't be a need of this thread, since Adam willed everything to his sons and we're his sons.

But you created this thread because you know what riches are individual not by WILL.

However what makes Jesus Christ (Second Adam) richer than the First Adam is that God willed the heaven and the Earth to Him.

God never WILL to Christ but CHRIST CREATED AND OWNS EVERYTHING.

MaxInDHouse:
Talking about material possessions Adam is the richest

Provide where Bible says Adam is the richest

Jesus is the richest 2 Corin 8:9

but as for the spirit realms Jehovah is the richest.
Do you agree?

Provide the Bible verse.

Jesus is the richest 2 Corin 8:9



You have been repeating the same since but why no single verse?

MaxInDHouse:
Who is Jesus and who is Jehovah?

If you can answer then i will show you where Jesus himself said His father owns everything!

When we say you people hate Jesus it will be like we're exaggerating.

Now the fact is before you but you're still beating about the bush.

2 Corin 8:9 says Jesus is rich which makes Him the richest in the Bible.

Show me where the Bible says Jehovah is rich!

Now storyteller has started peddling his story story

You know His Father owns everything yet you rush to claim Adam is the richest.

MaxInDHouse:
NO!

Which one do you answer as NO?

Going by the lifestyle of normal humans Jesus can't be categorized as one of us.
He never refused to work for money neither did he accumulate anything nor does he have any child to pass on his wealth.
So Jesus can't be in that category himself and His father are no part of human family!

I said Jesus Christ is the richest person 2 Corin 8:9, you said it isn't.

So, provide where the Bible says Jehovah is the richest. This is what I asked for not storytelling

Why making a claim that Bible didn't support?

MaxInDHouse:
In that case Jehovah is the richest because Jesus is under Jehovah.

Provide the verse that says so.

I was talking about humans not spirit beings!

So Jesus was not human when He was on earth

MaxInDHouse:
Adam!
There has never been born anyone as rich as the man in whose palm God gave everything on this planet!

Olodo...

And you'll be claiming to be the most knowledgeable in Bible.

Jesus Christ is the richest person in the Bible

2 Corin 8:9

Myer:
This topic crossed my mind.

NLDers, Let's discuss.
Who was the richest person in the bible?

Mods, kindly push to FP. Thanks.

Jesus Christ!

"You know the generous grace of our Lord Jesus Christ. Though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, so that by his poverty he could make you rich." 2 Corin 8:9

achorladey:
The moment he said.......




We know he is very much aware that he is peddling lies and manipulations that we have repeatedly exposed and he knows he simply can't remove the entanglement. Removing it will make his insanities and madness peddling here on nairaland more enhanced.

Seriously...

And the moment he said the attached pic

Which means, Muslims who are fighting and defend their faith for Allah are also one of Jehovah Witnesses

MrsTwrite:
Why do most Nigerian women stigmatize those ladies that gave birth through CS?

Does it mean that because a woman gave birth through CS she's not a real woman?

Many people think it's ignorance and religious mentality, well even though the above maybe true to some extent but I strongly believe it's because of many health risks CS has been associated with in the past.

Recently, there have been more advanced breakthrough in medicine which has greatly remove most of these health risks and placed CS even on the same success rate with VD.

So, I believe as people get aware of this, many people will continue to go into it.

My wife delivered my twins through CS and the doctor who worked on her said he has done 11 CS that same day. This is a government hospital.

So people are actually doing CS more than before.

Like my wife's antenatal nurse will say, what is important is for both Woman and baby should be alive.

Myer:
1. The birth-pang of natural birth is symbolic.
It normally should change a woman forever. It's a NDE that should make one put life and legacy in perspective.
It's difficult not to care for such a child when you know the cost of delivering them.

2. Nigerians don't appreciate CS. In Nigeria CS is also a NDE as some doctors can easily botch the process carelessly. Of course there's the cost implications.
However where it is painless, some mothers don't get that sense of essence of child-birth that instils a sense of purpose, legacy and responsibility into a woman.

I hope this helps.

How can you say CS is painless?

Have you been with a woman who undergone CS before?

MaxInDHouse:
There's no need answering questions

But there is a need of you asking questions

because i'm not hungry for the answers but if you're really hungry for the answers then take the lead in answering the questions:

What is the name of your God?
What is the name of your Church?

If you are not hungry for the answer then you won't be asking me repeatedly either.

So you're hungry for your own question.

Rationally, you don't answer question with question(s).

So, I asked you a question first. If you answer and a need to ask questions then you go ahead.

This bone that hooks you for throat is really big.

MaxInDHouse:
You're not ready yet when you're ready you will answer the questions:

What is the name of your God?
What is the name of your Church?

I asked you question first, so my question needs answer first then you can ask yours.

Being on Nairaland parading from thread to thread, does it mean you're fighting for your God?

MaxInDHouse:
If you won't answer keep your question and i keep mine!

You said if you answer mine then you ask your own question.

So do you fight for your God?

cornelboy:
You're simply dumb for asking me that. No offence meant

Smile...see frustration

Now the tune has changed.

Was Jesus included?

Very simple question.

That simply shows that you don't understand your own statement.

MaxInDHouse:
What is the name of your God?
What is the name of your Church?

You haven't answered my question

Are you fighting for your God?

MaxInDHouse:
If you want to discuss with me then it's give and take, you ask me i ask you and whoever feels the need most should take the lead in answering!

So are you fighting for your God?

Kepukepu:
To tell you how improbable the flood myth is.

Do you have idea of how trillion of transistors in that computer work?

Do you think they came up by chance?