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Janosky:
Why is Emusan WAILING like dis?

We know the wailing wailer

Is it lies against God that HE destroyed ALL infants of His enemies @ Sodom and Gomorrah?

The Key point is HIS ENEMIES not that the INFANTS are His enemies.

Did God destroy the faithful children of Noah?
Did God destroy the faithful children of korah?

If not because you're dull and empty upstairs.

You called them FAITHFUL then still believe it's because THEY ARE GOD'S ENEMIES

Emusan WAILER,nah Psalms 21:8,10 dey pain you.

I know you always feel pains whenever your gods lies are exposed with scripture.

Take heart, you hear!

Babies are INNOCENT, God's Heritage and Rewards. Says the Holy scripture.

Provide where Bible says Babies are God's enemies.

For almost 80pages you people can't provide just one verse. Which means that statement isn't from God but part of the poisonous food dished from Warwick

cornelboy:
Okay no wahala

You know there's wahala immediately you try to separate JWs babies from the destruction after you claimed ALL BABIES are God's enemies. Your deluded brother wanted to use style to claim the same by saying ONLY BABIES SANCTIFIED ARE THOSE OF BELIEVERS FAMILY.

you want to eat your cake and also have it.

I know where this is heading to is a way of painting Babies who their parents are not JWs bad and condemned while raise the ego of you JWs by openly teaching lies against God.

Janosky:
Was Jesus Christ born a sinner like David @Psalm51:5?

So you know David was not TALKING ABOUT EVERYONE

Jesus Christ is innocent at birth/sinless, not like David @ Psalms 51:5

@achorladey come and see something JaNosense has agreed that INNOCENT = SINLESS

No Sir.
Babies are teachable & receptive.
The lesson Jesus Christ wanted the disciples to copy from children.

No human that is not TEACHABLE and RECEPTIVE so cut the crab.

The reason Jesus Christ wants us to be like them is their INNOCENCE which Paul even made it clear in that 1 Corin 14:20 ref Rom 16:19

@ 2 kings 10:9, did Jehu say that the people of Israel were innocent,not born a sinner like David @Psalm51:5?

Emusan LIAR, please repent.

If I say you should quote scripture instead of citing them, your evil mind won't gree, e get why

Even your translation says OR RIGHTEOUS.

The content is clear about dispute on the DEAD BODY ON GROUND.

God makes it clear that BABIES ARE INNOCENT and BELIEVERS should emulate them. God can't admonish people to emulate His enemies.

Receive sense JaNosense

MaxInDHouse:
If you really understand what the organization says then why are you agitating?

When lie is exposed the next it change heart.

According to your organisation INNOCENT is PURE, BLAMELESS e.t.c

You lied initially that INNOCENT doesn't means SINLESS.

Is it not a member of the Governing Body that said babies are God's enemies that's making you people cry all these while?

And we're proven that wrong reason why you people can never provide just single verse where Babies are called God's enemies.

So if innocent, blameless and pure means sinless then how come the brother said babies are God's enemies?

Because they can lie, just as you lie to defend it.

The same them say "they are not inspired" and still went further to say "Jehovah and Jesus taught them"

You people aren't different from faithless Jews of the first century that were misconstruing whatever Jesus said and at the same time you will stand to condemn those believing in him!

Jesus never contradicted Himself.

But you're the faithless false witness today opposing Jesus and God's word.

If not provide just single verse where God says Babies are His enemies.

What God teaches is that BABIES ARE INNOCENT and He even admonished BELIEVERS TO BE LIKE THEM (remember you used this phrase).

Definitely, God can be telling believers to BE LIKE HIS ENEMIES.

Not even when Jesus made it clear that (CHILDREN) SUCH ARE THE KINGDOM OF GOD prepared for.

MaxInDHouse:
OLÓDO!
Was Jesus referring to all babies or Israelite children who has been taught God's word {2Timothy 3:15} and they want to listen to Jesus who is God's Son? Matthew 19:14

Children!!! Jesus didn't say ISRAELITE CHILDREN

Stop saying jargons.

According to Paul the only children sanctified in this world are those born by believing parents not all babies! 1Corinthians 7:14

Now, it has become THOSE SANCTIFIED BY THOSE BORN by BELIEVING PARENTS.

So not ALL BABIES are God's enemies any more

Cc: achorladey

Janosky:
Emusan LIAR,
Did that Watchtower article screenshot say those INNOCENT (MEANING PURE, BLAMELESS) were children?

Smile....Kai it's not good for someone to donate his brain sha...

So that article isn't about Children then who is the article about?

So you didn't see those scripture cited too, one of the cited scriptures is Rom 16:19 and that was the same scripture reference in 1 Corin 14:20

Did Psalms 51:5 reference those " INNOCENT" were born sinful in their mother's womb?

If you need Bible study on that Psalm just say yes.

Better still you can check your preferred Eliccots commentary on that.

Emusan DECEIVING HIMSELF

We know Mr gibberish typer and deceiving himself.

Janosky:
Psalms 51:5
"Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me."

David was sinful in his mother's womb.
Was Emusan sinless from his mother's womb?

I've addressed this don't draw us backward..

Emusan LIAR, your comprehension skills leaves so much to be desired.

You dey screenshot JWs Watchtower article that does NOT say what you claim.

So Watchtower article did say INNOCENT MEANS PURE, BLAMELESS

Also English dictionary says to be SINLESS means to be INNOCENT.

I don't know why the screenshots not attached tonight

Anyways I will link to it because I've already quoted it for your deluded brother before

Here is the LINK to dictionary meaning of sinless.

Here is the LINK to your own organisation Watchtower magazine.

Do you disagree with it?

MaxInDHouse:
One thing i've discovered when discussing with unbelievers is their inability to see matters from Jehovah's viewpoint.

Reason from JWs viewpoint yet you disagree with your own organisation about INNOCENT.

They have forgotten that Jehovah is a spirit not human like us and spirits thinks differently.

We forgot Jehovah is a SPIRIT, I guess John 4:24 is only in NWT

So you know spirit thinks differently yet you don't agree with God's word that says Babies are INNOCENT, Children are God's heritage and Rewards.

According to Pilate Jesus is innocent yet he still ordered him to be beaten and executed.

Olodo....was it Pilate who ORDERED the killing of Jesus Christ?

WHY?

Because Jesus refused to show his loyalty to Satan's government nah! Luke 4:5-8

But Babies can't proof loyalty to Satan too.

Can they?

So just as innocence never saved Jesus from Satan's government the same way innocence can't save anyone when Jesus' government comes! Luke 19:27

Babies are under God's control reason why Jesus said SUCH ARE THE KINGDOM.

Jesus will be very wrong to have USED Children as equivalent to God's kingdom.

The only difference between the two is that while Satan has nothing tangible to offer Jesus is giving everlasting life to all those who proved loyal to his own government! John 11:23-25

Jesus used CHILDREN as a point to God's kingdom.

E get why simply because they are INNOCENT and not God's enemies

MaxInDHouse:
Instead of reasoning with your Bible you're the one quoting organization organization now o.

If I don't reason with Bible I can't point out your lies.

You claimed follow whatever your gods in Warwick say.

That's why I point out what they say to you so that you can see your lying mouth being exposed.

Innocent has been PURE, BLAMELESS e.t.c

The Bible never said innocence is the same as sinless.

So your organisation was wrong to the extent of citing different verses from the Bible.

Or you didn't read that part

So while the innocent are killed along with evildoers in Noah's day, Sodom and Gomorrah, Jericho, Amalek and Jerusalem in 607 BCE babies also were killed by God's executioners so they're God's enemies.

So do you understand this statement yourself?

That's the point!

No! The point is BABIES ARE INNOCENT according to the scripture and INNOCENT is to be PURE, BLAMELESS according to Watchtower.

No where in the Bible it was said Babies are God's enemies.

Provide the verse of you have it.

Janosky:
Innocence = sinless.
For their mind ooOOOO!

I know you don't have brain but let me still drop this two screenshots for reference.

The first one is from your own organisation

The second one is from English dictionary

I know the lying liar will still have no shame to hide his shameless lying mouth

MaxInDHouse:
Innocence never means sinless!

It's you who thinks innocence is equivalent to sinless not Jehovah o!

You're still repeating this lie even when your organisation definition of INNOCENT was provided.

Who do you like this?

achorladey:
You want to start another round of contradictions after babies are completely innocent. The goose don dey cooked already

They have no shame!

I don't know how someone will agree that Babies are COMPLETELY INNOCENT yet still claiming they are God's enemies.

The most deluded among them even wanted to change the meaning of INNOCENT not until his lie was bursted with his own organisation definition.

cornelboy:
The moment anybody step into this world, he's a sinner and God's enemy.

Does this include Jesus?

We automatically inherited that from Adam.

No! We only INHERITED A NATURE that is PRONE to SIN.

You can keep crying all you want

Don't take it personal, I know you people cry behind when you see people challenging your gods in Warwick.

Babies can't think nor have the ability to choose between right and wrong. They don't have memory, they are probably blank. They don't have the ability to plan and carry out evil. That's why Paul taught that they should be innocent like babies who can't devise evil.

Now you know this yet you go against scripture to agree that Babies are God's enemies.

If Jesus comes back today, the wicked along with their babies would be destroyed again.

I thought Jesus had come, which Jesus coming again?

So JWs babies who are also God's enemies won't be destroyed, we all know where this twisting, peddling and manipulation of the scripture is heading to thou

MaxInDHouse:
This is where you missed it!
I'm not INNOCENT just like Moses, David, Peter and many others aren't innocent but we are trying to build a relationship with God. So even though we fall into wrongdoing several times due to imperfection we are repentant and God will lift us up because we have surrendered to do His will. Proverbs 24:16

So you're not INNOCENT yet you disagree with the scripture that DECLARED BABIES AS INNOCENT.

There you go again!
You asked questions but you don't want to get the explanation from the heart of the one you are asking you just want to push your opinion and expect us to agree.
Ọmọ it's not done like that!

My question is simple Yes or No!

You know if you're trying to peddle your lies and twisting by those long meaningless story.

MaxInDHouse:
This is human thought not the way God thinks! Isaiah 55:8-9

So what your organisation says is human thought. That's wonderful.

Innocence according to the Bible means one who is guiltless regarding atrocities committed by humans

So you agree that Babies are INNOCENT, right?

but a sinner means someone who has inherited blemish from Adam.

Can you support the @bold with Bible verse?

So it's two different things.

So you agree that Babies are INNOCENT.

All humans whether old or babies are sinners {Romans 3:23} so all of us must taste death which is upon all the enemies of God {Romans 5:12}

I've explained this part. So don't take us back.

friends of God supposed not to die that's why God keeps the names of some among dead humans in His memory book. People like Abel, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Job and many others whose names were written in the Bible book of Hebrews 11:4-34 as those to be remembered for making themselves God's friends out of all the enemies of God. But as for the rest whether old or young or babies they are still God's enemies until they're able to prove themselves that's why God instructed the Israelites to give their children the opportunity to prove themselves by teaching them God's laws {Deuteronomy 6:6-7} when a child shows love for God's laws the child is building a relationship with God but when a child hasn't done that he or she remains God's enemies that's why such ones are killed in the flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, Amalek and so on.

Story story

Babies are INNOCENT according to the Bible.

True or false?

achorladey:
He needs to peddle the stories to cover the lies but the stories sef na serious lies and manipulations

And there was a caught

MaxInDHouse:
We are talking about God's enemies here not innocent people who are blameless.

That's why I said an innocent person can't be GOD'S ENEMY.

Are you innocent NOW?

David killed Uriah and took the man's wife yet he is God's favourite!

Why? Because both David, Uriah and the wife are all born sinners making them all God's enemies. But out of God's enemies David has developed some habits that draws God to him and show him mercy.

Irrelevant!

Stop telling stories.

So if you're talking about innocent, blameless or pure that doesn't change the fact that all are sinners and thus were born as God's enemies!

Bible says Babies are INNOCENT not me.

So Babies are not God's enemies.

MaxInDHouse:
My Bible said:

"ALL HAVE SINNED" Romans 3:23

The Bible says specifically that BABIES ARE INNOCENT.

Jesus admonished His disciples to BE LIKE BABIES.

Your organisation described INNOCENT as being PURE, BLAMELESS e.t.c

So all are God's enemies

An INNOCENT PERSON can't be God's Enemy.

Even in human court, INNOCENCE never consider Gov enemies.

that's why God killed both old and babies in the flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, Jericho and Amalek!

No! He knows taking cares of Babies demand ALOT.

Even human knows this unless people like you.

achorladey:
Madness and insanities peddling never cease

The last of it is yet to come. Your lies and manipulations have been knackered and bartered to submission that indeed they were lies and manipulations.

Cc: Emusan

I saw that part and I was just shaking my head.

You lie so tey that you begin to contradict yourself within page of discussion.

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ there's nothing like disgrace in scriptural discussions it's either you agree or disagree.

Scripturally, Babies are INNOCENT.

And innocent according to your organisation is PURE, BLAMELESS e.t.c

Do you agree or disagree?

I have my own global family of peace loving worshipers so if you say i'm wrong that's your own opinion at least my global family doesn't think like you!

Of course you don't need to tell me that and we're discussing the same poisonous food dished to you from that family.

MaxInDHouse:
NO! It's inherited sin that makes humans God's enemies

It's EVIL done by mean.

but out of His infinite mercy He decided to help us because we are innocent regarding INHERITED SIN:

"For ALL have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" Romans 3:23

Adamic NATURE made us prone to SIN.

Children/Babies are INNOCENT which means they are not EVIL.

Means we can't rightly be called God's children or friends it's undeserved kindness (grave) that we have as He stretches His hands to help us out.

But this doesn't apply to Babies because they are not EVIL.

So whether fetus in the womb o or old man we are ALL SINNERS! Psalms 51:5

Which is about the NATURE INHERITED from Adam not about DOING EVIL.

People who do evil are ENEMIES OF GOD.

TRUE OR FALSE?

NO nah!
His human life never generated from Adamic reproduction process so he never inherited sin!

Good so which means INHERITED here means NATURE PRONE/EXPOSE US to SIN not that we started committing EVIL from WOMB.

Check again what your organisation says about BEING INNOCENT!

Now that Bible says Babies are INNOCENT.

Who will you follow, Bible or your gods?

achorladey:
The innocent blood in your NWT captured below means what


Guilty, sinful, impure abi?

He abandoned his own Bible to NIV yet he will say nobody knows nothing about the works of Jesus had Jehovah’s witnesses not exist

Lies and manipulations keeps rolling

One thing about liar is that they must lie one lie to cover up for the previous lies, so the lies continue.

Imagine what his own organisation says about INNOCENT. That description can never be close to God's enemy. Yet they must defend lies.

Let him come and give another excuse, maybe this time God never promised Babies anything is what we'll hear

achorladey:
This particular one does it with no shame and no self respect.

Very true.

MaxInDHouse:
What is the name of your God?
What is the name of your Church?
Answer then i will consider you but until then nothing for you!

Only if you have shame and how you're just disgracing yourself up and down.

You can't provide where Bible called Babies God's enemies.

You can't provide where 1914 was mentioned in the Bible.

achorladey:
The innocent blood in your NWT captured below means what


Guilty, sinful, impure abi?

He abandoned his own Bible to NIV yet he will say nobody knows nothing about the works of Jesus had Jehovah’s witnesses not exist

Lies and manipulations keeps rolling

I tell you, they can lie just to defend those lying old men in Warwick.

MaxInDHouse:
Check the meaning of "INNOCENT" in your Bible because it was used consistently for many people yet according to God's word we have all sinned! Romans 3:23

So I should check Bible now

So innocent meaning in Bible is different from dictionary

So how can babies who are part of the "ALL" be sinless?

Was Jesus part of that ALL?

Babies are INNOCENT

Which is the reason Jesus admonished His disciples to BE LIKE THEM.

It means you've misconstrued what Bible call INNOCENT with SINLESS.

No! You're the changing MEANING to suit your lies.

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2 Kings‬ ‭10:9‬ ‭NIV‬‬

"The next morning Jehu went out. He stood before all the people and said, “You are INNOCENT. It was I who conspired against my master and killed him, but who killed all these?" 2Kings 10:9 NIV


Ọmọ they don't mean the same thing if going by the word of God: Bible!

I know you don't know scripture but hear it again.

What makes people ENEMIES of God is their EVIL WAYS AND DISOBEDIENT TO GOD'S LAWS.

1 Corin 14:20 is centred ON "EVIL" in which BABIES DON'T HAVE capacity to do AND CAN'T DISOBEY GOD'S LAWS.

reason why they are INNOCENT TO GOD and Jesus can admonished His disciples to BE LIKE THEM.

Babies are NEVER GOD'S ENEMIES that teaching is from pit of hell.

Do you need Bible study on WHY WE ARE ALL SINNED?

achorladey:
No longer babies are enemies of God or babies are not innocent

I know he will come with excuse so i came prepared

I have given him definition of sinless according to the dictionary.

Let's see his next lie.

MaxInDHouse:
So you lied!

Lie that?

Ọmọ there's nothing bad if you don't know what the Bible say but outrightly lying when it's not written in God's word is evil!

Nothing evil and blasphemous than a person lied against the Holy Spirit of God.

Which you are famous for

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ if you can't QUOTE where the Bible say babies are sinless it's OK!

I know you have no truth in you but I'll continue to frustrate you with the truth.

1 Corin 14:20

To be sinless means to be INNOCENT according to Dictionary.

Check the attached below.

So did Bible affirm that Babies are COMPLETELY INNOCENT? The Answer is YES!

I'm waiting for your next lie.

achorladey:
I laugh tire after seeing that. Imagine


I don't know how babies know right from wrong which in turn made them not innocent from evil.


Come to think one of their GODS(Stephen Lett) that said babies are enemies of God is the same person that uses that same Bible verse that they should be like infants regarding evil.

Just imagine that!

achorladey:
We know when they come to this platform they are not really united in their thoughts. I remember the organization was trying to force unity of thought by asking them to always direct people to the website especially the FAQS and Bible questions answered part to ensure uniformity.

We have seen example of them coming to this nairaland sometimes to correct the view or blunders of some of their members too.

Aemmyjah will not be the last to do so.

@color just say no more because I can testify!

achorladey:
Insanities and madness peddling unravelling

I know he has pour sand sand into their garri with that @bolded statement, I'm perceiving a general meeting being called on him for that