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obonujoker:
Show us your Bible scriptures to validate your erroneous teachings.... Read that Revelation well and see tribulation of the saints by the Antichrist is before the rapture of the saints by the Lord Jesus.

Or are you saying Christ doesn't know what he was saying in Matthew 24:31?

damocool:
I think the problem is difficulty in differentiating rapture and second coming of christ.

obonujoker:
Show us where in the Bible there is rapture saints and tribulation saints??

Or did Jesus, Daniel, John the Beloved, or even the angels lie??

See what the angels in Acts chapter 1 said about Jesus coming....

Acts 1:10-11
And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;
Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

So has Jesus come already that we don't know, or will he come two times?

obonujoker:
Engineer....there is a difference between the persecution of the Antichrist, and the wrath of God.

When the Antichrist comes, Christians will be around. The Antichrist comes with deception first, before tribulation

When God begins to punish those on Earth, Christians won't be here.... Many would have been matyred, but would be resurrected at the rapture with those still alive...

ninocia18:
Good day sir. I just saw your write up and first of all, I want to thank you for the awareness.
But please, I want to point out that the rapture will happen after the great tribulation nor before it. We will all witness the unveiling of the antichrist, the massive falling away of believers, the unveiling of the mark and the Great distress that will mark the 3and half years of what's is called The Jacob's Trouble. And the bible says so:
2Thess.2.1 - Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you,
2Thess.2.2 - not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come.
2Thess.2.3 - Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition,
2Thess.2.4 - who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.
2Thess.2.5 - Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things?(NKJV)

2Thess.2.1 - And now, brothers and sisters, let us tell you about the coming again of our Lord Jesus Christ and how we will be gathered together to meet him.
2Thess.2.2 - Please don't be so easily shaken and troubled by those who say that the day of the Lord has already begun. Even if they claim to have had a vision, a revelation, or a letter supposedly from us, don't believe them.
2Thess.2.3 - Don't be fooled by what they say. For that day will not come until there is a great rebellion against God and the man of lawlessness is revealed--the one who brings destruction.
2Thess.2.4 - He will exalt himself and defy every god there is and tear down every object of adoration and worship. He will position himself in the temple of God, claiming that he himself is God.
2Thess.2.5 - Don't you remember that I told you this when I was with you?(NLT)
For further understanding, *please read, the vision of Daniel in Daniel 11, Matt 24 and Mk 13.*

The earlier the church accept the words of Jesus and like the wise virgins begin to get extra oil through fasting, praying, word study and obedience and service to him, the better for us. The foolish virgins are the ones who thought he'd come sooner than expected. Hence, didn't think it was relevant to get extra oil. That is why alot of people will backslid. Cuz they will feel disappointed that rapture should have happened before the unveiling of the antichrist and they weren't prepared for what will proceed his coming. So much hardship will make them receive the mark and let me say and I quote the words of Jesus, "once you receive that mark, you are doomed forever. There's no repentance from it and that is why hardship and seduction will be rampant." That is why alot of believers are and will rally against the church and the body of Christ and that is why he will find alot of Christians who will blindly follow him.

I really hope this will help alot of people especially believers. For those who want to really understand the endtime events and how it will unfold, I have tapes and messages that will give you more insight and how to prepare yourself for what is coming because the bible says that even in all that tumult, they that know their God shall wax strong and do exploits. The book of Revelations wasn't written to scare us but to tell us about the future and to also arm us with wisdom and strategies to own and rule even in the midst of our enemies. Chat me up on this number :09031867874.
Thank you.

obonujoker:
Engineer....there is a difference between the persecution of the Antichrist, and the wrath of God.

When the Antichrist comes, Christians will be around. The Antichrist comes with deception first, before tribulation

When God begins to punish those on Earth, Christians won't be here.... Many would have been matyred, but would be resurrected at the rapture with those still alive...

Roseey0:
Yes some people will be given the privilege to not see tribulation.

But tribulation is inevitable for most Christians. That's what tests your stance in Christ.

Go and read about the apostles and how they died before following Christ.
Your glory will be for eternity.

Roseey0:
Yes some people will be given the privilege to not see tribulation.

But tribulation is inevitable for most Christians. That's what tests your stance in Christ.

Go and read about the apostles and how they died before following Christ.
Your glory will be for eternity.

jesusjnr2020:
The Rapture: Before Or After The Great Tribulation?

This is a topic that appears to be generating a lot of hot debates among Christians presently. I don't think there's much doubt about the rapture taking place, because that's generally agreed upon by Christians to be a certainty. But the bone of contention was when exactly it would take place, if before or after the great tribulation.

I must admit though that this topic is one that I'm not well informed about, because It's not been an area of interest to me. Anyone of them was good enough for me because I was made by Jesus to be prepared at all times for all kinds of situation just as the apostles.

Luke 12:35-40 (KJV)

Let your loins be girded about, and your lights burning;
And ye yourselves like unto men that wait for their lord, when he will return from the wedding; that when he cometh and knocketh, they may open unto him immediately.
Blessed are those servants, whom the lord when he cometh shall find watching: verily I say unto you, that he shall gird himself, and make them to sit down to meat, and will come forth and serve them.
And if he shall come in the second watch, or come in the third watch, and find them so, blessed are those servants.
And this know, that if the goodman of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched, and not have suffered his house to be broken through.
Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not.

Hence i'm not really concerned if the rapture takes place before or after the great tribulation, because I'm always ready as my loins are girded about and my light is always burning as the Master had instructed. And I believe that ought to be the same for every one of His followers.

However last year I got a rapture dream for the first time in my life. That was sometime in June. Since then I have had two more and one great tribulation dream. The most recent being the rapture dream I just had a few days ago.

It gave me the impression gave that the end was very near, hence people needed to be warned about this so that they can repent and be ready for the rapture.

So although such information may not be of much significance to me, there were yet those who need to aware of such. therefore being God's servant, i was meant to warn them about what was imminent, which explains the rapture dreams I've been receiving.

And that's what I've been doing since. Although repentance has always been a key part of my message, now it's become even more urgent because it seems there's not much time left going by the timing and frequency of the endtime dreams.

For more details on those rapture and great tribulation dreams, you can go to this thread:

https://www.nairaland.com/6386851/just-woke-up-third-rapture#98508258

I must also admit though, that because of the rapture and tribulation dreams I was now more informed about the rapture than I used to be beforehand, that I intended to share my view about it. However when I realized that i was still not informed enough to give a definite position on that subject, I had to suspend my initial plans, so as not to mislead others.

Therefore it's only when i'm ready for that, i would do so, although as things stand now, I'm more inclined to the position of tribulation before rapture, and that I believe is a safer position to be in the meantime, that may yet change along the way.

But for those who are completely sure of when the rapture would take place, this is an opportunity to convince those of us who aren't if the rapture would take place before or after the great tribulation.

As I said earlier though, regardless, the most important thing is for us to be ready at all times for all possible scenarios as Jesus instructed us to be.

God bless.

emmayoc:
Please we need to be careful not to mislead people with wrong believes and doctrines not supported by the word of God. This question is often asked those who say rapture before tribulations and I also asked u. Pls show me just one verse, only one verse in the Bible that tells u it's rapture first. U can't never see that.

But Bible states categorically that it's tribulations first then rapture take place. There are many scriptures in the Gospel, Epistle and book of Revelation. I will only show u two references in which Jesus our Lord Himself said in

Matthew 24:29-31:
Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

2 Thessalonians 2:2-3
That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

Please I will emphasize again very strongly. Let your argument and beliefs be based on God's word which is the standard by which all matters are judged. Thanks

jesusjnr2020:
The Rapture: Before Or After The Great Tribulation?

This is a topic that appears to be generating a lot of hot debates among Christians presently. I don't think there's much doubt about the rapture taking place, because that's generally agreed upon by Christians to be a certainty. But the bone of contention was when exactly it would take place, if before or after the great tribulation.

I must admit though that this topic is one that I'm not well informed about, because It's not been an area of interest to me. Anyone of them was good enough for me because I was made by Jesus to be prepared at all times for all kinds of situation just as the apostles.

Luke 12:35-40 (KJV)

Let your loins be girded about, and your lights burning;
And ye yourselves like unto men that wait for their lord, when he will return from the wedding; that when he cometh and knocketh, they may open unto him immediately.
Blessed are those servants, whom the lord when he cometh shall find watching: verily I say unto you, that he shall gird himself, and make them to sit down to meat, and will come forth and serve them.
And if he shall come in the second watch, or come in the third watch, and find them so, blessed are those servants.
And this know, that if the goodman of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched, and not have suffered his house to be broken through.
Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not.

Hence i'm not really concerned if the rapture takes place before or after the great tribulation, because I'm always ready as my loins are girded about and my light is always burning as the Master had instructed. And I believe that ought to be the same for every one of His followers.

However last year I got a rapture dream for the first time in my life. That was sometime in June. Since then I have had two more and one great tribulation dream. The most recent being the rapture dream I just had a few days ago.

It gave me the impression gave that the end was very near, hence people needed to be warned about this so that they can repent and be ready for the rapture.

So although such information may not be of much significance to me, there were yet those who need to aware of such. therefore being God's servant, i was meant to warn them about what was imminent, which explains the rapture dreams I've been receiving.

And that's what I've been doing since. Although repentance has always been a key part of my message, now it's become even more urgent because it seems there's not much time left going by the timing and frequency of the endtime dreams.

For more details on those rapture and great tribulation dreams, you can go to this thread:

https://www.nairaland.com/6386851/just-woke-up-third-rapture#98508258

I must also admit though, that because of the rapture and tribulation dreams I was now more informed about the rapture than I used to be beforehand, that I intended to share my view about it. However when I realized that i was still not informed enough to give a definite position on that subject, I had to suspend my initial plans, so as not to mislead others.

Therefore it's only when i'm ready for that, i would do so, although as things stand now, I'm more inclined to the position of tribulation before rapture, and that I believe is a safer position to be in the meantime, that may yet change along the way.

But for those who are completely sure of when the rapture would take place, this is an opportunity to convince those of us who aren't if the rapture would take place before or after the great tribulation.

As I said earlier though, regardless, the most important thing is for us to be ready at all times for all possible scenarios as Jesus instructed us to be.

God bless.

fergie001:
They have.

kahal29:
Twitter Account of today's proceedings in court

fergie001:
Wait fess Biko, make I go check something for my UI Certificate fess

Indispensable85:
My fears are the supreme court. Those guys can come up with something or anything to sack anybody provided the cabal wants it so. Corrupt judiciary!

fergie001:
Not really.
This one went cold in June 2020.

fergie001:
The worst thing is that APC PW3 (Professor Emmanuel Balogun) even said it that the document was longer than A4 and when photocopied will leave some details out.

I was asking myself if he wasn't told what to say before he came to Court.

fergie001:
Recte Sapere Fons.



We need new case this 2021 jareh.

LibertyRep:
Since UI has authenticated the certificate, the case is as good as over.

But then, whoever made the photocopy didn't try at all. There's always a way of reducing the size of a larger document to fit into A4 now.

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fergie001:
Engineer Gabriel Iduseri isn't a Registrar or Staff of the Abuja Court.

He submitted the affidavit deposed by Oba in 2016 and was asked if he had gone to UI to authenticate his findings that the Certificate was altered, he answered in the Negative.

Dansuqi:
It doesn't matter the court but if its forged is the koko.the fifth witness yesterday presented documents pertaining to 2016 submissions by obaseki

Mr Iduseri, who claimed to be the current Caretaker Zonal Youth leader of the APC, however, admitted that he had never seen Mr Obaseki’s original University of Ibadan degree certificate.

He also stated that his allegations were based on photocopies obtained from INEC.

Similarly, Mr Asekomhe, who claimed to be an Associate Professor of Banking and Finance at the Benson Idahosa University, Benin, also said he had never seen Mr Obaseki’s original certificate.

He said he could, therefore, not comment on the original certificate.

Dansuqi:
It is not different, it is similar.you can't find another similar case.ui might not even testify.

fergie001:
Election cases are sui generis (i.e in a class of its own).

A Governor, his Deputy, President and Vice-President do not enjoy immunity as enshrined in Section 308 of the 1999 Constitution as amended, when it comes to election cases.

The Supreme Court in Kakih v PDP & 2 Ors., the celebrated case of Saleh v Abah., Maihaja v Geidam., Audu v INEC, Imam v Ali Modu Sherriff and so many other decided authorities have aptly put it that you don't need previous conviction to ascertain forgery when it comes to election cases. (It is in the link I sent you earlier).

All that is needed is a Proof that Mr. A submitted a forged document and the Issuing Authority stamping it as true.

In the case of Saleh v Abah, the Federal Polytechnic, Mubi emphatically said Abah didn't graduate from their school.

Abah argued like you have stated up there that conviction must have been proven but the Supreme Court said NO.

Like I have said, Obaseki's path of redemption or damnation is the UNIVERSITY OF IBADAN.

fergie001:
https://lawcarenigeria.com/hon-hassan-anthony-saleh-v-christian-adabah-abah-ors2017/

cktheluckyman...The full SC judgement.

He submitted in 2011 and didn't in 2015.

Nonetheless, if I follow precedence of our cases so far: Oshiomhole, Ayade, Abiodun, etc.......Oba will leave there in 2024.

The apex court said that the respondent in the case, Abba, who is laying claim to the ticket of PDP for the Federal Constituency must not be allowed to have his way because he has soiled his hand in the certificate forgery.
Abba was said to have forged a certificate purported to have obtained from the Federal Polytechnic, Mubi in Adamawa State.
He was said to presented a fake National Diploma Certificate in Accountancy upon which he was forced to withdraw from the same race in 2011 but in a dramatic turn, used the same forged certificate to secure PDP ticket in the 2014 PDP primary.
Subsequently, Saleh challenged his nomination.

cktheluckyman:
https://www.nairaland.com/3675833/christian-abah-certificate-forgery-supreme

Just saw the link.Chris Adaba was sacked for presenting forged documents in the 2015 elections and not 2011 elections!!

Sorry bro.You will wait until Obaseki leaves office to try him for forgery

Dansuqi:
.

I repeat,a supreme court sacked a house of reps member in 2015 for submitting forged affidavits in 2011.obaseki case will not be different

He was said to presented a fake National Diploma Certificate in Accountancy upon which he was forced to withdraw from the same race in 2011 but in a dramatic turn, used the same forged certificate to secure PDP ticket in the 2014 PDP primary.
Subsequently, Saleh challenged his nomination.

fergie001:
Ya, it was announced this morning.