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Christianity Etc › Re: Who Is Bored With This Fake Pastor Malarkey? by Enigma(m): 11:02pm On Jun 05, 2011

Enigma:
^^^It has been a thread of cross purposes anyway

Christianity Etc › Re: You Want 10% On My Gross Income ? Daylight Robbery !!!! by Enigma(m): 2:50pm On Jun 04, 2011

spamdare:
@nukeboy, it's dare2think (long story)

did he really say that?

@ enigma

lol, some folks, like you said, think it's "clever" to use a foreign word.

Funny guys.

@ dare

I read about this your spam bot wahala; o ga o!

Yes, Oyakhliome did say clearly that those not paying tithes are robbers. Joagbaje knows it, and that's why he doesn't deny it. His greater problem is that he knows it is falsehood but does not want to say so for the sake of his boss.

Christianity Etc › Re: You Want 10% On My Gross Income ? Daylight Robbery !!!! by Enigma(m): 2:04pm On Jun 04, 2011

^^^ Read and compare: https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-245582.288.html#msg8210949
and https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-245582.288.html#msg8210975

EDIT these are some of the few Greek words from concordances that Oyakhilome uses to bamboozle boyos; and the boyos come to repeat them here thinking it makes them look "clever".

Christianity Etc › Re: You Want 10% On My Gross Income ? Daylight Robbery !!!! by Enigma(m): 11:50am On Jun 04, 2011

@Joagbaje

In fact, I will send you to him: please go and inform your boss Oyakhilome that he is wrong and preaching a false doctrine when he says that non-tithers are robbing God!

Although I suspect that even you, a whole state pastor in Chris Embassy, cannot even have easy access to your "pastor". Send him an email or something!

Christianity Etc › Re: You Want 10% On My Gross Income ? Daylight Robbery !!!! by Enigma(m): 11:46am On Jun 04, 2011

^^^

Therefore you agree that Oyakhliome is wrong. OK.

So please don't come back here next time to say he is a great teacher etc etc if he does not know a basic Christianity 101 such as this.

Christianity Etc › Re: You Want 10% On My Gross Income ? Daylight Robbery !!!! by Enigma(m): 11:36am On Jun 04, 2011

@Joagbaje

I see you are active on a couple of other threads; so just in case you missed this, here is my last post/question to you --- plain answer welcome.

Enigma:
^^I am dealing with you! You have told us that he is the greatest teacher. Now I am showing you what he has said. If you still maintain that he is this greatest teacher, you should be honest enough to say if you disagree with him on a particular point. So again I put it to you that Oyakhilome has said that those not paying tithes are robbing God. And again, I ask you the following question:

Are those not paying tithes robbing God?

(Plain answer would be helpful)

Christianity Etc › Re: You Want 10% On My Gross Income ? Daylight Robbery !!!! by Enigma(m): 9:42am On Jun 04, 2011

^^I am dealing with you! You have told us that he is the greatest teacher. Now I am showing you what he has said. If you still maintain that he is this greatest teacher, you should be honest enough to say if you disagree with him on a particular point. So again I put it to you that Oyakhilome has said that those not paying tithes are robbing God. And again, I ask you the following question:

Are those not paying tithes robbing God?

(Plain answer would be helpful)

Christianity Etc › Re: You Want 10% On My Gross Income ? Daylight Robbery !!!! by Enigma(m): 8:08am On Jun 04, 2011

Joagbaje:
[Quote]
you robb me in tithes and offering are not mans words, but they are of God,so if a pastor tells you that if you dont pay your tithe you are rubbing God, he is only quoting God and His scriptures.

I will rather say that a christian who doesn't give tithe robs himself rather. God is not missing anything either we give or not, we miss out of the benefit of tithing.[/quote]Your boss Oyakhilome says very clearly that those who don't pay "tithes" are robbing God! Or do yo disagree with your boss? Are you courageous enough to say you disagree with him? Or maybe you don't really disagree with him and you are just playing with words - so as again to deceive people?

Can you answer this plainly: Is a person who does not pay tithes robbing God or not?

Christianity Etc › Re: Principles Of Exchange, Your Channel For Wealth by Enigma(m): 11:12pm On Jun 03, 2011

^^^ Maybe you are spending too much energy! To keep it simple, we could ask the following questions:

1. How many people did Jesus make rich?

2. How many people did Peter make rich? {Honest/sensible Bible readers will of course remember "gold and silver have I none . . ."}

3. How many people did Paul (or James, or John, or Phillip, or Timothy or or or or or or ) make rich?

Christianity Etc › Re: Principles Of Exchange, Your Channel For Wealth by Enigma(m): 10:41pm On Jun 03, 2011

Joagbaje:
. . . A minister has ability to make men rich. By speaking blessing upon them.

Like money-doublers and those who use children for money rituals! Nice.

Christianity Etc › Re: Snake With Human Head Found In Indonesia by Enigma(m): 11:39pm On Jun 02, 2011

The last time I heard of such a thing was in Yoruba mythological literature years ago. I couldn't even be bothered to follow the link for this 'latest' one.

Christianity Etc › Re: Eddie Long’s Church Is Collapsing by Enigma(m): 11:25pm On Jun 02, 2011

dorox:
I challenge any material prosperity believing christian to show a correlation between faith and wealth. The late Benson Idahos of The Church Of God Mission used to say that his God is not a poor God so he cant be poor. The corollary to that statement is that the poor in his church do not serve his god otherwise they would be as wealthy as him and the corrupt civil servants, army officers, drug dealers shady business men and women in church worship his god because they are not poor just like his god

In my teenage years, accidentally watching Benson Idahosa on TV "preach" at Oral Roberts University was what first made me really take note that there are fraudsters in ~~University~~ Christianity. I had only finished WAEC at this time but what he was saying was so fraudulent, I immediately found him repulsive!

PS It was also the first time I had seen or even heard of Idahosa.

Christianity Etc › Re: You Want 10% On My Gross Income ? Daylight Robbery !!!! by Enigma(m): 11:15pm On Jun 02, 2011

yommyuk:
. . .
Over the past few months I have seeked the heart of God on the issue of tithing. The Spirit of God told me that what he wants is a cheerfully giver. I now give cheerfully and the results are Phenomenal

If the Holy Spirit leads you to give 10, 20, 50 or 100%, do it cheerfully but not under compulsion.
When it is done under pressure it becomes a law which is of no benefit.

yommyuk

I am so very pleased to read the above.

Let me add another twist for something to think about and why some of us will continue to fight the "tithing" scam.

"Tithing" is being used to fund the work of Satan!

If each one of us as individuals take 10% (even 5%) of our income and seek out genuine cases of people in need, you will see the difference it would make to people's outlook generally and especially people's outlook to Christianity. I daresay that it would lead to much spiritual introspection.

On the other hand, the more people "pay" the "tithes" into "church", the less they are able to be effective in fulfilling Christ's commission; they are less able to "do it to the least of these". Meanwhile the "church" uses the money for mostly wasteful and spiritually useless stuff; occasionally they will throw chicken change at the needy. An example is the so called "Inner City Mission" that Chris Embassy people were shouting about recently: chicken change from what the m-industry receives; some of them boast about their auditorium etc, is that what the God who does not dwell in tents made with human hands asked them to do?

Anyway, I repeat the point that "tithing" is being used to fund satan's empire and purpose.

Wanting to end on a positive note, I say again that I am really delighted to read your post.

Christianity Etc › Re: Understand Why Jesus Death Was A Perfect Sacrifice by Enigma(m): 10:37pm On Jun 02, 2011

yommyuk:
The policy that I have adopted on NL is not to engage the following.

1. Skeptics
2. Mockers
3. Athiest

I will tolerate muslims to an extend.

Christian brothers and sisters are my delight.

Why?

Maximize the value of my time spent on NL.

On the whole within reason and with the odd exceptions, I think it is a good policy.

Christianity Etc › Re: Who Is Bored With This Fake Pastor Malarkey? by Enigma(m): 10:17pm On Jun 02, 2011

^^^It has been a thread of cross purposes anyway

Christianity Etc › Re: Cancelled: The Tithe ! by Enigma(m): 9:34pm On May 30, 2011

[quote author=Tayo-D link=topic=678015.msg8422305#msg8422305 date=1306785502]@Enigma,

The Bible clearly states who is an antiChrist. Your use of that term is not rooted in the scriptures. That is my point.[/quote]Nah, my use of the word 'anti-Christ' is well rooted in scripture. Compare what Jesus said: many will say, did I not heal, cast out demons etc etc "in your name" and He said He will still tell them He did not know them. So you see, the denial does not have to be overt; in fact, the covert denial is the more dangerous and the covert deniers are within the biblical meaning of 'anti-Christs'.

[quote author=Tayo-D link=topic=678015.msg8422305#msg8422305 date=1306785502]There is no indication that Abel's sacrifice was adopted by the law. If anything at all, it was Cain's type that was adopted by the law, i.e. blood sacrifice. These have their origins in the garden of Eden.[/quote]I only have enough energy to say you are wrong and need to study it again.

[quote author=Tayo-D link=topic=678015.msg8422305#msg8422305 date=1306785502]Anyway, you missed my point totally. Mercy, kindness, obedience, faith were adopted by the law even though they predate the law. Are they also done with because they were adopted by the law?[/quote]Actually, I did not miss your point at all. "Thou shall not kill" predated the law, was part of the law and is still applicable. Tithing was not established bybefore the law and we only have a voluntary example before the law; it was part of the law and as part of the law it has been abolished; at best, an individual can choose to do it voluntarily today --- BUT there is NO obligation whatsoever to tithe as far as the Christian is concerned.

[quote author=Tayo-D link=topic=678015.msg8422305#msg8422305 date=1306785502]If anything at all, Hebrews 7 is a clear testament that the tithe transcends the law. Have you read verse 8 of that chapter? It clearly indicates that Jesus receives the tithe even though he is testified to live forever. I can't prove it nor do I make it a doctrine, but I strongly believe we will still pay tithe when we take up our roles and responsibilities in the ages to come. Tithe is an eternal thing in so far that it transcends the physical. Hebrews 7:8 testifies as much.[/quote]1. Read the entire Hebrews 7 again and especially verses 5, 12 and 18.

2. I'm not sure what you mean by "ages to come" but the view (well, your belief) that tithing will still be required in some "future time"(?) can be described as nothing but fanciful.

[quote author=Tayo-D link=topic=678015.msg8422305#msg8422305 date=1306785502]You may call whomever you like antichrist. That's your prerogative. As far as the scripture is concerned, only those who deny the Father and the Son qualifies as such. Your reluctance to accept this truth and submit to the Lordship of the Word makes me wary of you, even though you are a brother! I dare say he has led more people to Christ and testified of the living Christ to more nations than you will ever achieve in your lifetime. Keep knocking down your own while posturing as a defender of the faith.[/quote]Again, remember what Christ said: even though many will say 'we performed miracles, cast out demons, prophesied' "in your name", yet He will say He never knew them and that they were workers of iniquity.

[quote author=Tayo-D link=topic=678015.msg8422305#msg8422305 date=1306785502]That he had no where to lay his head does not mean he could not afford one. This is the person that was responsible not just for himself but for the upkeep of at least 12 Disciples and their families. Jesus went into Peter's house to heal his mother in law, remember? Are you for real about the tax? He had the means to pay for it. Whether it was through the treasure bag or through the fish that swallowed a lost coin. Prosperity is being able to pay your bills when it is due. He paid His. That you should not trust in material riches doesn't mean you should not have it. If prosperity is bad, people like abraham, Job, David, Solomon sure aren't worth emulating.[/quote]You have bought into the technique of false teachers, I'm afraid. Put out a bit of truth but conceal falsehood in it: who said Jesus was necessarily responsible for the upkeep of his crew? That is why he sometimes used Peter's (mother-in-law's) house! Was it Jesus who bought or built it for him/her?

Oh, I am very for real about the tax; He had no money to pay it --- and yes, He obtained it from a fish. Which "prosperous" person would need to do that?

[quote author=Tayo-D link=topic=678015.msg8422305#msg8422305 date=1306785502]Stop deceiving yourself. If you believe in God's sovereignty, you will believe in the sovereignty of His Word. His sovereignty works within the confines of His Word. Show me where God sovereignty has ever contradicted His Word and I will forever hold my peace. Why would anyone ever trust His Word if it can be violated by an act of His sovereignty?[/quote]I know the teaching well --- 'he honours his word above his name' and all that. The sovereign God knows the condition of man and has His plans to address it: that does not mean every one will be "prosperous", "healed" etc. As Jesus Himself said: "the poor you will always have with you." Also, I know the typical word of faith answer to that ----- sin, not availing oneself of God's provision, lack of faith etc. In that case, why did Peter Paul, James, Stephen etc etc etc etc suffer so much. Why did God tell Paul "My grace is sufficient for thee" rather than remove Paul's problem?

Anyway, I think I have done enough and I have reached the point to disagree agreeably.

EDITED

Christianity Etc › Re: Cancelled: The Tithe ! by Enigma(m): 8:04pm On May 30, 2011

[quote author=Tayo-D link=topic=678015.msg8421930#msg8421930 date=1306781067]@Enigma,
I disagree with you that it is not a relevant truth today.[/quote]Of course you are free to disagree and we can agree to disagree agreeably.

[quote author=Tayo-D link=topic=678015.msg8421930#msg8421930 date=1306781067]Come to think of it, you are no different than those who rain curses and threaten people with hell when they don't pay their tithe. You are only on the flip side of the same coin by calling those who preach and practice it anti-Christs.[/quote]1. I do not rain curses on people or threaten them with "hell".

2. I do not call people anti-Christs simply because they preach "tithing"; even now I still occasionally attend churches where they preach "tithing" especially when I'm in Nigeria.

[quote author=Tayo-D link=topic=678015.msg8421930#msg8421930 date=1306781067]The sacrifice of Abel was not adopted by the law just as justice, mercy, faith, tithing and a host of other virtues. These all predate and circumscribe the law even though they were adopted by it.[/quote]Actually, Abel's sacrifice (or, if you like, its type) was adopted into the law. On the other hand, if you say that like tithing it "circumscribes" the law, why then is it not applicale today ---- but "tithing" is?

[quote author=Tayo-D link=topic=678015.msg8421930#msg8421930 date=1306781067]Pray tell, where in the NT has the issue of tithing been addressed with a view of eliminating it? If anything at all, evidence exists to support its practice.[/quote]Read for example Hebrews 7 which actually addresses "tithing". Read also various passages on the doing away of the law and the ushering of the era of grace under the New Testament.

[quote author=Tayo-D link=topic=678015.msg8421930#msg8421930 date=1306781067]Calling a fellow-brother an anti-Christ is enough for you to fall down on your knees and ask God for forgiveness. You are not rightfully discerning the body, which is why Paul said the Corinthian Christians were weak, sick and in some cases dying. The main reason why I took a hiatus from this forum is because I felt I was as guilty as many in not properly discerning the body. For the sake of winning an argument, we are ready to abuse our brothers, call them names and surly their character. It appears things have not changed that much and I am this close to taking another exit.[/quote]This is the thing: I don't call a "brother" an anti-Christ; I call those who seek to circumvent the teachings of Christ and His gospel anti-Christs. I don't even call some "tithe" preachers anti-Christs.

[quote author=Tayo-D link=topic=678015.msg8421930#msg8421930 date=1306781067]1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. Antichrists are those who deny the Father and the Son. Please tell me, how does Jesse Duplantis qualify as an antiChrist? I know you believe in sovereignty, but it does not apply with the interpretation of scripture.[/quote]If you know Jesse Duplantis' teachings as well as I do and weigh them against scriptures, you will realise why he is a danger to Christ's gospel!

[quote author=Tayo-D link=topic=678015.msg8421930#msg8421930 date=1306781067]Please take the advise you freely gave to me and read that NT again. The main reason why he was accused and slandered was because he was eating and drinking and living a prosperous life contrary to John the Baptist's way. You just see what you want to see in every scripture.[/quote]The same Jesus who had nowhere to lay His head? The same Jesus who had no money to pay due tax? The same Jesus who preached heavily against focus on material riches"? Pleeeeeease!

[quote author=Tayo-D link=topic=678015.msg8421930#msg8421930 date=1306781067]The doctrine of "que cera"! Now we know where you stand. What is the point of praying, asking, believing, faith if what will be will be? Why preach the Gospel? God will save whoever he wants, right? Why preach healing? God will heal whoever He wants, right?[/quote]No, it is the doctrine of the sovereignty of God who can and does do as He wills. We pray to be in His will and to be able to accept it --- even if His answer is "My grace is sufficient for thee".

Christianity Etc › Re: Cancelled: The Tithe ! by Enigma(m): 6:46pm On May 30, 2011

[quote author=Tayo-D link=topic=678015.msg8421642#msg8421642 date=1306776854]@Enigma,
What is your point? That tithing should be voluntary, compulsory or eliminated. Make it clear.[/quote]The point is simple: "tithing" is NOT a Christian obligation and should not be so taught as is widely done today, sometimes with curses and even threats of "hell".

[quote author=Tayo-D link=topic=678015.msg8421642#msg8421642 date=1306776854]I don't know anything about the sacrifice of Abel, nor that of Cain. Do you have more info about them?[/quote]I think you will find it helpful to study it; you will even find that Abel's sacrifice even predates Abram's "tithing"! So why is it not done today?

[quote author=Tayo-D link=topic=678015.msg8421642#msg8421642 date=1306776854]As to circumcision, that is properly addressed in the NT. You disagree?[/quote]In just the same way that "tithing" has been properly addressed in the New Testament. Neither of them is an obligation for a Christian!

[quote author=Tayo-D link=topic=678015.msg8421642#msg8421642 date=1306776854]Doctrinally too, you've been found wanting. Does that make you you also a liar and a false teacher?[/quote]You will first have to show me where I've been found wanting. If you do, I will hold my hands up that I was a false teacher on that point.

[quote author=Tayo-D link=topic=678015.msg8421642#msg8421642 date=1306776854]There is only one anti-christ, so I do not know where you get the many anti-christs from.[/quote]I think you need to read the New Testament again. We are told that there are many anti-Christs in the world today. You see, your error on this makes you prone to being misled by them!

[quote author=Tayo-D link=topic=678015.msg8421642#msg8421642 date=1306776854]You know, some people also found Jesus wanting when they declared that he was too flamboyant, drinking wine and eating luxuriously. He was too prosperous minded and lived such a life that he irritated them.[/quote]Because He associated with "sinners" and drank alcohol, Jesus was a "prosperity preacher"? Come on, my brother!

[quote author=Tayo-D link=topic=678015.msg8421642#msg8421642 date=1306776854]You have the liberty to teach people that faith does not assure them of anything from God. As for me and my house we will follow Jesus' doctrine that even a little faith will go so far to do much.[/quote]I teach people about the sovereignty of God - Ọba a ṣe eyi ti o wu'un!

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Christianity Etc › Re: Cancelled: The Tithe ! by Enigma(m): 6:19pm On May 30, 2011

[quote author=Tayo-D link=topic=678015.msg8421519#msg8421519 date=1306775415]@Enigma,
Absolutely. And it continues still today.[/quote]

[quote author=Tayo-D link=topic=678015.msg8421519#msg8421519 date=1306775415]Tithing predates the law. This cannot be argued away. If you will argue against tithing, please don't bring the law into it because it circumscribes it. That is my point.[/quote]What kind of tithing predates the law - voluntary or compulsory tithing? Meanwhile Abel's sacrifice predates the law --- so why is that not applicable today? What of circumcision?

[quote author=Tayo-D link=topic=678015.msg8421519#msg8421519 date=1306775415]You know this for sure or you are just a mouthpiece of the enemy?[/quote]Yes, I do -- it's called tried and found wanting. Meanwhile it's no big deal to be called "a mouthpiece of the enemy"

--- it is what we get all the time when we take on the doctrines of anti-Christs like Jesse Duplantis, so no biggie.

[quote author=Tayo-D link=topic=678015.msg8421519#msg8421519 date=1306775415]If you read my post carefully, you will see that I mentioned the only time this happens is when the gifts of the Spirit are in operation. The gifts are operated according to God's will. It does not require faith on the part of the recipient. God respond to faith all the time like the woman with the issue of blood.[/quote]Yeah right, if God responds to faith "all the time" people won't need to keep running back to the prosperity gospel pimps; they won't need to attend the same recycled "programmes" under various headings: "open heavens", "divine visitation", "favour conference" etc etc etc

Christianity Etc › Re: Cancelled: The Tithe ! by Enigma(m): 6:03pm On May 30, 2011

Tayo-D

Shades of old battles --- but I won't go on at length, just a couple of observations.

1. Tithing was not established before the law. One person did it voluntarily that we know of for sure. Another said he would do it on condition that he was first blessed and we don't even know if he did do it. Before the law no one, absolutely no one in the Bible was instructed or even advised to tithe.

2. Please not Jesse Duplantis --- an inveterate liar and false teacher.

3. God does respond to need; example being the crippled guy at the beautiful gate healed by Peter --- what was his "faith" when all he wanted was money? Realy, it is mostly word of faith doctrine that suggests this idea that it is all about "faith" rather than the sovereignty of God Himself.

Christianity Etc › Re: Who Is The Keeper Of The Money Bag In Churches by Enigma(m): 2:11pm On May 30, 2011

Tayo-D

Long time; you been abandon this place (camp for politics)? {In fairness, I did the same (but camping in satellite TV section) for quite an extended time after those early days}.

Greetings.

Christianity Etc › Re: How To Reap The Full Benefits Of Tithing by Enigma(m): 1:57pm On May 30, 2011

dare2think:
@ tonye t
. . .

By the way, are you GENTLE ME ?

Because he just wrote something similar to your recent post, then he decided to modify it, hence the incoherent post.

Am sure Frosbel noticed.

What is going on?

Hmmm, you have touched on something interesting! I have just quickly gone through Gentle Me's posts and it reveals some interesting things; anyway, that is for another time/day.

Christianity Etc › Re: How To Reap The Full Benefits Of Tithing by Enigma(m): 11:44am On May 30, 2011

On page 1 he called it "Glatton Contemporary English version". This is what someone said of the CEV:

The Contemporary English Version (CEV) is the American Bible Society's latest English entry. It is aimed at a 3rd grade reading level, but I think it is really more like 2nd grade level. If you don't mind calling Passover "The Feast of Thin Bread," it is OK.

From http://ebible.org/bible/biblefaq.htm

To play the "translation/version" game rather than look into the true underlying intent and meaning of scripture is a disgrace (Joagbaje does it all the time). As I said before, wetu has destroyed the argument anyway because no reasonable person can deny that the tithing Jesus was talking about was the tithing under the law of Moses. It had nothing to do with the tithe of Abram: if we are to follow the tithing of Abram, then "tithing" should be totally voluntary.

EDIT PS 2nd or 3rd grade is like primary school level.

Christianity Etc › Re: How To Reap The Full Benefits Of Tithing by Enigma(m): 11:22am On May 30, 2011

free123:
NIV Bible is just a wrong version. beware, contradictions abound therein

@free

He was not even using the NIV ----- even the NIV is much better than to do that blatant misrepresentation of Matthew23:23! In any event, wetu's post has destroyed the nonsensical argument.

Christianity Etc › Re: How To Reap The Full Benefits Of Tithing by Enigma(m): 10:33am On May 30, 2011

Joagbaje:
^^^
We pay it to God. Through christ. If we tow your line of arguement ,then we don't even need to pray again.

Do you now accept that Christians should pray through Christ?

Remember you previously argued, in agreement with Oyakhilome, that Christians should not pray through Christ!

Or, it is only "tithes" that Christians can do "through" Christ?

EDIT For reference, here is the link to where you and Oyakhilome said (and you argued vigorously) that Christians should not pray through Christ: https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-655784.0.html and in particular remember this post https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-655784.32.html#msg8232913

Christianity Etc › Re: Is Your Pastor A One-man Show? - Counterfeit Christs by Enigma(m): 8:28pm On May 25, 2011

frosbel:
The whole world is being prepared for a counterfeit Christ, described in Revelation 13. Jesus warned us that there would be many who would attempt to come in the place of Christ, usurping his role:

"For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many."
Matthew 24:5

This is exactly what the Chris Embassy people are doing; their posts saying "I am Christ" are all over nairaland --- especially Joebalua or azibagbaje or whatever ID he chooses to use to spread his poison and fraud.

frosbel:
The Apostle John warns us that in addition to the coming antichrist, many antichrists are already among us:

"Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us."
1 John 2:18-19

John says these antichrists "went out from us". Satan is portrayed as a clever deceiver. If he inspired someone to walk among Christians saying "I am against Jesus Christ", those who profess to love the Lord would not be deceived. An effective deception is well disguised.

In what ways might we be led to follow one who usurps the role of Jesus Christ? I am convinced that the world and professing Evangelical Christians are being prepared to follow the antichrist by getting use to following gurus.

Exactly. Take one example of one antichrist teaching that we exposed recently. The spiritual vagabond Oyakhilome teaches that people should pray "in Jesus name" but he uses that softener to disguise his real poison in that he then went on to say that people should not pray to or through Jesus Christ.

frosbel:
We are much more likely, these days, to not refer to our Bible for our convictions and world-view, but instead to follow the opinions of leaders we look up to. In these days of "Christian mass media", celebrity ministers are likely to draw our attention and our allegiance. It is a dangerous thing to set up gurus within the Body of Christ who are beyond criticism.

Again this is apt of Chris Embassy people especially. When they run out of ideas on how to twist scriptures or when the scripture is so blatant, they tell you to ignore the scripture, that what the spiritual vagabond Oyakhilome wrote in the poisonous Rhapsody of erRoRs is superior - they have told us several times that statements by each of James, Peter and even their "beloved" Paul are wrong and that what Oyaks told them overrides those.

frosbel:
Is your "pastor" a one man show? I would be greatly concerned about this. If you go to your fellowship's website, is he the only leader mentioned? Is his the only photograph prominently displayed? Is he the only one free to speak about truth and error? Must all others agree with him or face the consequences? Does your fellowship revolve around his personality and the personalities of his wife and family? Do this man and his wife act like benevolent royalty? Do his wife and children have more influence in the church than the elders? Is he the only teacher? Does he have veto power over every detail of the functioning of your fellowship? Are the "elders" yes-men who really just act as his staff? Or is there a continuing line of former elders who have tried to speak up and were slammed? Did your fellowship begin by a gathering of people at this man's feet? Or if he were to go on to bigger and better things, would half to three quarters of his audience leave? Do people refer to your fellowship as "John's Church" or "Pastor John's Church" or "Pastor Smith's Church"? Are people induced to stand in line to speak to him? To shake his hand? Does their heart go pitter-pat when he mentions their name from the pulpit? Do they wonder if he's thinking about them? Do they yearn for his approval and fear his wrath?

I will stop here and I will let the above speak for itself.

Christianity Etc › Re: Is Your Pastor A One-man Show? - Counterfeit Christs by Enigma(m): 7:36pm On May 25, 2011

Joagbaje:
Ignorance is your problem , instead of raining abuses on me why don't you prove the point with your bible how I have twisted the scriptures. Besides the bible never talk about FALSE PASTORS in the church. This is your addition

Of course the above bolded in red is what the false pastors would say in order to deceive people. Compare with the below:

2 Corinthians 11

12And I will keep on doing what I am doing in order to cut the ground from under those who want an opportunity to be considered equal with us in the things they boast about. 13For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles of Christ. 14And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. 15It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.

2 Peter 2:1

But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them--bringing swift destruction on themselves.

Jude 1:4

For certain men whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are godless men, who change the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord.

Crucially and above all from Ọga Himself, Matthew 7:15

"Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves.

Christianity Etc › Re: Is This True About T. B Joshua? by Enigma(m): 4:22pm On May 24, 2011

Also, (I believe that) the people behind the videos posted by the OP have already responded to the propaganda video of TB Joshua/Emmanuel Ministries (or whatever) that Joagbaje has just posted. Bear in mind also Joagbaje's interest: if T B joshua is proven to be a fraud or occultic, then the stain will touch Oyakhilome too who went to T B Joshua whether to receive "power" ni or whatnot.

http://tbjoshuawatch./2011/04/24/deception-of-the-age-versus-beware-of-blasphemers-a-review-part-2/

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