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Richirich713:
There's no such thing as morality in atheism, it's all subjective, just preferences.

Fine!
What are these preferences based on? Which/Whose judgments frames your preferences?

benzics:
I can't talk about things I don't know (that's what religion does, talk about things it doesn't know).

The Neanderthals had no gods, 'cause the oldest religion we have is hinduism, don't you think people had lives before hinduism? And your religion is only but 3000years old, and here you are, claiming it is the true religion.. Smh

You dont know..Fine!
So how did you arrive at your conclusions?
Did you apply reason/logic or you believed?
All the gist up there, did you read them and prove them by logic and reason or you believed?
For all atheists, you must not believe anything without proofs by reason and logic else you are a Fraud.
The oldest religion is hinduism, prove it! You dont know early men but you know what they worshiped...Isnt this contradictory?
The God you dont believe deliver you!

hopefulLandlord:
TBH I don't know what OP is getting at here

Suicide bombers are all religious

religious people account for the most cases of Pedophilia in the world

OP can give reply to the below challenge Christopher Hitchens laid down for religious people almost a decade ago and no one has been able to give a good answer to, From Archbishops to apologists

1. You are to name a moral action undertaken or a moral or ethical statement made by a believer that could not have been made by an unbeliever

2. Think of something wicked that only a believer would be likely to do or something wicked that only a believer would be likely to say.

Your mentor Christopher Hitchens cant ask me questions about morals. Ill tear him apart!
He died obese! He died a drunk!! He was a slave to the flesh!!!
Answer my question and Ild answer yours!
Not Christopher Hitchens but you..Your mentor, Christopher paints a perfect picture of a depraved and depressed soul who was unfit to believe in God and naturally didnt believe in God!

benzics:
LOL, I don't have answers to what?

Who are the early men that never believed in God?
Give us a brief history of atheism and how it evolved/life phase over the 4000 years as you remarked.

benzics:
How old is your religion? How old are humans? Before religion do you seriously think early men were worshipping gods?

You dont have answers.
Dont stress! Let your mentors answer the question!!
Or better still consult them and answer rightly and on point.
Dont strive about words!

benzics:
How old is your religion? How old are humans? Before religion do you seriously think early men were worshipping gods?

You dont have answers.
Dont stress! Let your mentors answer the question!!
Or better still consult them and answer rightly and on point.

timiawe123:
Atheism has no laws like religion.
Morality in athiesm is a personal choice.
I'm atheist but I dont drink or smoke or womanize because I know the damages these things cause, not because a sky daddy that told me they're wrong.

Morality is personal choice...Fair!
What guides the persons choice?
As you can see up there that your mentors in atheism lacked the will to control their appetites. They were slaves to their desires.
Yours is guided by damage it will do to you..So you could kill, steal, lie so far it has no damage to you?
On what principles is your moral based as you dont have a Guide?

felixomor:
Bro, If you examine them closely,
There really is no logic behind their talk.
Their love for their sin and hedonism is why many of them start claiming they are atheists..
They dont want to be held responsible for their actions in their hearts...

I totally agree with you!
Perverts who didnt want to retain God in their knowledge and God gave them over to a STRONG DELUSION that they should believe a LIE - Rom 1

Ksslib:
Ponzi schemes: You pay to the operator who then matches you with who pays you. Church: You pay to the operator(pastor) who then matches you with who pays(blesses you)
Both promise an increase in initial investment after payment is made.
Simple as ABC.

Let me quickly correct your ignorance. There is no concept of matching...Every believer has direct access to God!

I doubt if atheism has any iota of morality in it.
1. Mark Payne was known to be on 20 cigars daily dose. Is this normal? He died financially bankrupt, lost his wife and close allies. His death was a painful one!
2. Chritopher Hitchens was known for an uncontrollable appetite for food and alcohol...He was a drunk and obese!
3. Richard Dawkins was equally known for bad eating and drinking habits...He was a drunk!
Let the atheists teach us the morality behind atheism!

benzics:
Your question is just same as me asking "give me a brief history of homosexuality dated back to 4000years"..
Atheism is also the LACK of belief in Gods.. Early men lacked beliefs in Gods, so they are atheists!

Who are early men that dont have believe in God?
Give us the story jor!
Nairaland save me from this guy ooo: I asked for story/history, he gave me one sentence/statement!
Please if you have no history, next atheist pls!

Prof Atheist, Please help us understand the following: 1. Give us the creation concept: how did life and this earth begin? 2. Give us the death concept: what happens to humans after death? 3. Give us the concept of laws of nature 4. Give us the Birth concept: tell us the process of birth 5. Does atheism teach morals? What are they? 6. Give us a brief account of the history of atheism 7. Give us the Man concept : tell us how man interracts with nature 8. Give us the Force concept : how do you interract with force 9. Tell us brief history of the lives of the founding fathers of atheism 10. What impact has atheism made in the world? You may answer at least one. Pick the number and answer.

felixomor:
So you can see that you have betrayed your formal education..

Felixomor, you just blew atheism of 4000 years into thin air!
With all the intelligence, reason and logic, they have become a victim of their criticisms!

benzics:
LOL

Atheism is as old as the first men, your religion is not even upto 4000years, while atheism has been there since time immemorial, unless you are saying "before Christianity, everyone lived painfully" and that makes you sound like an idiot

Please give us a brief account of the history of atheism dated back to 4000years or you have no record? I know you will never answer this!
You live painfully, I dont!

OoniOfIfe:
The bible made it clear for us to understand, Jesus was not related to Joseph in anywhere,

You seem to be a good bible student only you read under the influence of demons!
I expect more demonic revelations from you.
Even the devil cant take us from the Faith!

felixomor:
The desperation is real.

You only get this sort of desperation from demons on the loose.
The last days is very close!
Atheism is basically I dont believe there is God because I cant reason it out...Ok prove there is no God by reason/logic they cant!
Their founding fathers all lived empty and depressed lives smoking and drinking their way to destruction.
Mark Payne lived on 20 cigars/day, Hitchens lived a drunk and chain smoker.
Mark Payne died financially bankrupt, lost his wife an friends and died a painful death!
Their target is baby xtians who are yet to get a grasp of their Faith not You n I.
The demons tremble when we challenge!

adepeter26:
Who told you we don't have peace of mind? The burden of proof lies on you guys. Why should I be finding a sky daddy when I already know its myself?

My brother, you guys pay to church to get from your so called god, so it's called business

I guess you are the one who lacks comprehension skill here.
Example of a typical theist;
Me: 2+2=
You: 4
Me: your are wrong (going by your logic above)
You: proof
Me: but you disagreed on church != man != god
You: That's a different issue
Me: this is a different issue too
God, church and man was trashed above.


Lol

Most of all what you typed above still boils down to hardwork. Anyways, I know you don't understand things, you will say "hardwork" isn't a sow

Buhahahahah
Guess what? I was expecting this from you
Now just look at all the lame points you piled up.

Dont you pay tax to get good roads, schools, loans? Is this still business?
Is nairaland/facebook your hardwork or anothers? Is it hardwork you sowed for your parents to train you?
Your maths and analysis is vague!
Like I said earlier, for a xtian its not the tithe that yields; its the Obedience!

luvmijeje:
I'm telling you. And they've deceived the so called intelligent people from God with their lies.

Imagine the lies from Porco and the so called intelligent people who swallowed it without questioning how she reached her findings. Has she ever been in space? How did human corpse bury 6 feet below get to the space?

But they have the effrontery to insult Christians.

They insult christians at a show of their folly!
Can you imagine record has it that Mark Payne, their leader was taking 20cigars/day? What does that tell you my dear?
He died bankrupt, lost his wife and friends! Only his daughter at his death bed! What do we call this?
A life well spent or badly spent?

skeendyke:
Like I always say atheists know nothing beyond textbooks. The Op avoided responding to my post because he has no proof to back his opinion. In that case it is subjective...something extremely contrary to scientific fact.

As regards your question....I would say visionless or blind but I really am not certain what you mean. Lol.

You understand my bro!
We are resonating at same frequency.
Just buttressing your points.
No other word but VISIONLESS: you plan today and have no idea about tomorrow.

adepeter26:
I love your statement you know?
Here is the equation solved
1) we don't pay to god but to church
Who is/are the church?
And since payment is involved (therefore its business), there must be a payer and a payee
-> Payee = church
-> Church = aggregate of humans

Therefore, if we don't pay to god, we pay to humans. .

Automatically, the idea of God is outta the eqn
-> god = 0
-> Payer = human ......... eqn 1
-> Payee = human ........... eqn 2
-> Payer = payee = humans ....... eqn 3
This means there is/was no god in the 1st instance.

2) we have no returns from the church but from god
Recall from the statement that we don't give to god. In essence, if we don't give to god, we can't receive from god.(remember, we can't reap what we never sowed).

But if you still wanna bring in God, fine, we will find who the so called god is

Since God is now the payee;
-> God = payée ....... eqn 4
Recall from eqn 1 that payee = human
Therefore
-> god = human


-> payée = payer = god = human





Conclusion
Its either the Theists believe we are god or there is no god

Hey all nairaland must see this!
What a waste of energy and a show of shame + folly just to show a God you dont believe!
You guys just dont have rest and peace, you do all you can to prove a non-existent God.
Anything that involves money is business? But you pay tax, Is that business also? Philantropic gestures nko? What about support to NGOs? Is this business and how much has Bill Gate gotten back for all his support worldwide?
My guy, your equations shows ur primary school maths is faulty; you could see a relationship between church&man; you saw none between God&church and God&man..
Your vision must be blur!
We dont reap where we didnt sow...But you have reaped severally without sowing! What did you sow to your family before your parents spent so much on you? What have you sowed on nairaland to reap from the investment of another man? Some people have made much money from nairaland, facebook using the platform for adverts and have reaped? What did they sow? What you dont know is what each of sows and how/where we reap? You use nairaland to sell your thoughts, what did you sow in this?
You are bereft of both Wisdom, Wellness and Inner Peace, seek Jesus! Jesus maketh all things Well!

Ponzi scheme is two party : operator and investor.
Tithe is three party: God, church and believer
I hope its clear its not same!
The believer pays out of obedience/commitment to God though God blesses in return. What yields the return isnt the tithe but the Obedience of the tither!
We dont pay to God but church, we have no returns from chuch but God!

akintom:
not again bro.

Am very allergic to discussion lacking in honesty and intelligence.

You either don't understand the meaning of logic, reason and facts, or you chose to live in denial.

Im equally allergic to one lacking Integrity, Sincerity and Truth.
If every product had been manufactured, how come you deny human existence has a definite source?
If you say you dont know that definite source, fine but to say you require logic, facts, reason and which other one to know human existence has a definite source, is a crime and deceit.
Anyway, you may proceed with your man! Im out!!

akintom:
Yea, i know KSA, and i know my builder.

And who's the creator of the creation?

Cool indeed!
So if it were some else's building, you would have thought it came by big bang theory?
What that bro is saying is: every building is an evidence of a builders work whether you know him or not; do you know builders of all buildings?
So creation is an evidence of a creators work!

obinna58:
I just want to use this medium to let all greedy religionists that existed out of nowhere, wanting to live forever after being preached and comforted with lies, i want to let them know that "everything that has beginning also has ending"
No one will live forever (its an act of greed)
It pains everyone including atheist like me but we have to endure(wish their is better option)
Make the best use of ur life don't let it get wasted by smarter ones
"We dead we gone forever"
Expose urself and train ur mind not to be tricky

Hey man!
This is good stuff.
So how many dead bodies have been blown into space?
Please prove it by logic and reason..did you just believe it?

skeendyke:
You don't need Science to verify that the lyrics of a song is the evidence of a composer, a building is the evidence of a builder, the creation is evidence of a Creator.

You don't have to be a Christian to know this....it is logic.

So clear bro!
Big bang theory brought life, what about death?
What do we call a man who lives for the present and has no knowledge of his tomorrow?

luvmijeje:
That's the criticism from the opposition of the Bible while is he also believing in the statement written by a human. You still don't see the irony?

What irony my dear! What deceit! What fraud!
Vain hypocrisies!!!

Mummyjoy:
Going to church is not salvation but absenteeism from church will not take you to heaven either. Get saved and confess Jesus Christ as the son of God, read your Bible and obey him. Jesus alone is the way to heaven,no other way

OP, Proudlyngwa and Mummyjoy have both told you the whole Truth...Dont seek further lest the deceivers sweep you off.
However, going to church is important for fellowship, building your faith, relationship with fiery brethren whose life will challenge yours, you hear Gods undiluted word, share spiritual experience that edify, exhort and comfort, visitation and prayers in times of challenges.
Just like every student goes to school, employee goes to His work, every sportsman goes to training so also every Christian ought to go to Church.
Make sure you find time for Church; its important to keeping your Faith in Christ!

akintom:
Kikikikikikiki... Looooool !
You're full of disgusting and bad jokes. Go and spread your Jewish Idol mandate, to those who eat grass, tie mantle, and drink olive oil.

THREAD CLOSED!

He is Jesus and Ild keep spreading Him!
Thanks akintom, nice relating with you.
Your maturity I sincerely appreciate.
Differing opinions yet in a common world..
Thanks bro!

frank317:
If u accept ur parents are ur parents by faith, then permit me to say u are the most foolish person that ever walked on planet earth.
Someone asked u if you heard of 'beyond reasonable doubt' and you trashed under your foot like a fool.

The bad news is that u are assuming that hen someone uses logic to come to a conclusion he must be right. We are humans and can make mistakes but we must use the brain and not believing everything I hear by faith.

U can't never believe ur parents are urs by faith... It's not possible, stop sounding dumb in order to prove ur none existent God is real.

If you think your parents are ur parents, u must have enough reason beyond reasonable doubt to believe so... That does not mean u are right but it means u have seen no reason so far to doubt them being ur parents .

Even if this reason turns out to be wrong, it does not make u stupid, it only means u were decieved.

This is not faith, it is pure logic

Faith involves u to stupidity accept any rubbish they tell u, worst still u are threatened to believe it .

Immaturity is when a man is threatened when opposed!
Prof, just be responsible and tell us how you reasoned out your parents, laws of motion, laws of gravity and dont dote about words throwing confusion into the thread. Tell us how your parents were able to convince you with reason and logic that you are their child before you accepted. ..At least the blind can see how much of sanity, quietness and respect we have retained on the thread. Fall in line!
Oga I believed my existence, birth...Tell us yours and leave mine.
Do you know the common denominator in frauds and hypocrites, ANGER..They hide under anger...Peacefully, explain all! Lets see how far the Prof Emiritus can go defending the reason/logic on which he has built his life.
Dont forget I own rights to my opinion on any issue. Just prove all we asked!

GodsMopol:
I agree with you, I'm seeing a new light in your comment, the array of those and the meek which would be guided in judgment and He resisteth the proud and give grace to the humble. Lemme ask, do you read some sort of materials I don't have.

Though I still believe salvation is for all, we just have to keep interceeding, I exhort therefore

The Holy Bible is it but you have it!
Yes salvation is for all for Jesus died for all but all would not believe for 'narrow is the way and there be few that walk therein'
Rem Acts 'And God added to the church daily such as should be saved'
Yes we will keep preaching, pleading, praying!
Evangelism is two parts: 1. Ripening - God part 2. Harvesting - Man part.
We cant convert any soul in its sense, only God can!

GodsMopol:
I was on one tread and I saw how you were handling those guys, I was like, keep up the good work, am kinda new in the game.

We can't but ask for Gods mercy continually for them. More so, I think the real message I got from this whole thing is, they are asking one question, 'where is your God'

I really thank God I know one or two things about faith, my fear is, if this guys handle some church pastor, you read the other guy who said, he was a president in his fellowship, the same akinto*(m), I was like what's happening, like you said, come Lord, I believe you mean revival.

Our God is OBVIOUS for all that want to see!
Too MIGHTY to be pushed aside by a sane mind!
But the truth is to them he predestined, he chose; them he chose, he justified; them he justifed, he glorified!
The Truth is the Xtian Gospel is not for all. Its for the chosen, ready, prepared, ignorant, poor in spirit, meek e.t.c... Jesus said my sheep hear my voice and follow me. We will keep telling the world and praying.
Are you surprised that God is being rejected by actions, words, thoughts even some church goers have rejected Him by their lifestyle.?Jesus in His bodily presence was rejected, how much more now? Yet some will be saved!
All we are doing is harvesting Gods ripened field!

GodsMopol:
Halleluhia

Amen!
We are not of them that draw back to perdition, we believe to the saving of the soul!!
What shall separate us from the Love of Christ? I am persuaded neither death nor life, devil demon nor angel, success nor failure, sickness nor health, poverty nor wealth can separate of this Love! Amen!!
If anyone nor an angel from heaven bring any other gospel than that we have received 'let him be accursed'
Come Lord Jesus! Amen!!!