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doctokwus:
So church attendees in d developed world that wear bumshorts,half unclad to churches are what,sinners or immoral?
I bet in Europe and America now,with d way church numbers are falling astronomically,if they see 10 'saggers ','torn jean' or even pant and bra wearers every sunday service,the churches wud be celebrating them with free meals and drinks.
Here,we condemn them,even wen its stated clearly in the bible no one shud judge another,particularly when it concerns biblical injunctions.

Did you read my posts well?
If you are a xtian, you should know.
If saying to a xtian this thing displeases God is judging the person, I bet you wont have wait so long at the Great White Throne Judgment!
Every soul shall be dumb before Him, just and swift Judgment, you will see the difference clearly then!

Omooba77:
Why do people claim to Love God, yet dont obey his commandments?

SIN
The solution - JESUS!

frank317:
U area slave to Jewish believe... U can't offer freedom to free people when u are not free.

Get rid of Jewish belief, stop bowing to a dead Jew the. U can come and talk to me about freedom.

The Gospel of Jesus = Gospel of Freedom
Its not for someone like you...The Xtian message isnt for all.
It exposes the poverty of the rich, foolishness of the wise, weakness of the mighty thereby seeing their need for God!
You dont need God, you even claim he doesnt exist, you hurl insults at Him at will and dare Him to touch you.
O vain man, who hath bewitched you, you are proud, lofty, haughty, having eyes that cant cease from sin, accursed children full of pride like their Father, the devil...Behold, Gods judgment is now upon you! Repent now lest you perish without trace!

jaymejate:
Please, i need a Godly, Moral advice on this.

I'm still a student and i am willing to give to God but my allowance is very small.
After removing money for handouts, textbooks and assignments, the left over is little that it might not last 5 days. Should i still go ahead and give the tithe?

If you are indeed a born again xtian, dead to the world and its affections, whose hope/treasure is in Heaven, ull know what to do?
I John says 'you have the annointing by the Holy Ghost and it teacheth you all things'

doctokwus:
Was in church today and d priest was condemning those who "sag" and females or males that wear torn jeans.He claimed they are immoral acts,amongts others practiced by the youths of today.Though he didnt categorically say they are sins,but his trend of speech wit strong condemnation was heading in that direction.
In my mind I didnt quite see it that way.
My question is:are unusual fashion trends really immoral or sinful acts?
I ask because i av seen pics and videos of Europeans or Americans that go to church half unclad and priests over there dont dwell on it as immoral.Are our priests now more knowledgeable in the bible than those in d western world?

If you see the president of a nation sag/wearing torn jeans, what would your conclusion be?
Whats the motive behind sagging/wearing torn jeans? whats the motive behind nudity?
If you are sincere xtian, consider the above?

alBHAGDADI:
Enter Jesus


He brought back a dead girl to life
He healed a woman with an issue of blood
He prevented the stoning of a Mary Magdalene
Mary Magdalene washed his feet with perfume and her hair in show of appreciation
Women wept during his trial and crucifixion
Women wept at his grave due to love for him
A woman was the first to hear of his resurrection



Enter mohammad

He married a 6yr old girl called aisha
He consummated the marriage when she clocked 9yrs
He killed a Jewish woman's husband and father then converted, married and had sex with her on the same day
He married the wife of his adopted son after seeing her unclothedness and desiring her
He married his first wife, a 40yr old widow when he was 25
Married 11 wives
Says a woman's testimony is worth half of a man's testimony
Says 3 things spoil prayers - a donkey, a black dog and a woman
Prescribed beating of wives
Prevented women from inheritance
He was Killed by poison given to him by a WOMAN


You can add yours

Boss I dont need to add anything.
Its clear like crystals!

adepeter26:
Oyah

Thanks I just took a dose of it! I take it minimum three times daily. Its in Jesus! I am a Word Addict! You care for it? Come join me, Its so sweet to trust in Jesus Just to take him at his word!

adepeter26:
Oyah

Thanks I just took a dose of it! I take it minimum three times daily. Its in Jesus! I am a Word Addict! You care for it? Come join me, Its so sweet to trust in Jesus Just to take him at his word!

frank317:
How has anybody harmed or wronged u by consuming 20 sticks of cigars a day?

Its a signboard to depravity, addiction and self destruction...I preach total freedom!
I care for every soul in that condition...I used to visit the prison preaching the message of hope. I have seen depraved souls lives change...I call it reformation/transformation!

enshy:
Marriage isnt 'hit and run' It is till death do us part! Try to make it work...God give the Grace May God heal all our homes..Amen!

God hates putting away! Husbands dont put away your wives: Wives dont leave your husbands.

alBHAGDADI:
Many of them shall be judged according to the law of Moses, but it applies to the Israelites alone.

As for the non-israelites that died before Christ, they will be preached during the resurrection period when all that have died since Adam will rise from the dead. During that period, Satan will be bound in chains for a period of 1000yrs, which is the millennial reign of Christ. Those people will be made to see how their beliefs were wrong. After the 1000yr reign, Satan will be let lose again to test mankind for one last time. Anyone that chose to follow him at that time will be doomed with him.

I really would have love to quote Bible verses to support this, but am short on MB.

You seem to have a good grasp of scriptures.
God will surely not fail in your life!

LightandDarkness:
whats wrong with liking food and wine

Nothing but all is wrong when you cant control your use of them.
When your emotions rule your knowledge, then thats possession there! You need help!
When you consume 20cigars/day, eat like your life depends, every food you sight must be consumed, drink wine more than water and every street knows you a drunk, then, you need help asap!
Such an one needs Jesus the antidote to self destruction!

Lucario007:
I've been an atheist for a while, and at first, I was the angry sort who went around discrediting religion and arguing with the Jehovah's Witnesses that dared step foot on my door.
Then I became more relaxed, open to other peoples opinion and accepting that they have the right to maintain their own personal convictions, as long as they didn't try to shove it down my throat.

Now though, I realize that being an atheist in a society like Nigeria hasn't helped me accomplish anything. Other than arguing and trying to rationalize with Christians, of what use isn't grander scale of disbelief?
Yes, I am aware of the wonderfully corrupt preachers who utilize the gulibility of Christians to enrich their pockets, but other than arguing about it with people who will condemn and insult me for trying to open their eyes, it has helped me accomplish nothing.

In the end, I sat down and asked myself, what if THEY were right all along, what if in this grand universe to which we are an insignificant speck, there IS a God?

To the atheists like Seun, just for one instance, throw aside your unrational disbelief, because if anything is possible, think about what it would mean if there really is a being higher than what we can fathom that lives in existence?

And so I find myself here, asking if it is possible to regain my faith. I have said and seen and written so many things considered blasphemous, but now, I want to correct this flaw in my thinking.

So I ask, how do I regain my faith in God? How do I go back to believing once more?

I see you want to run from the wrath to come!
Run to Jesus! He loves and will help.
Please this thread wont help, the master the devil will set the e-demons on loose....The insane/fools (for so the Bible calls them) that say 'there is no God'..Flee from them, dont associate with them. Pls go to the nearest believing church and seek counselling!
God is waiting for you!
Here you will get devilish counsels: you may be left in doubt!

adepeter26:
I tire for religious people oo

See another depth of folly and height of shame!
Its getting stale; What about the there is no God thing, isnt that as stale?
You guys have running about shamelessly trying to defend your folly but you all made it clear to me that you are all only possessed by demons and bless God you dont believe in them, they will enjoy their stay walking you into damnation!
You deaden your consciences so you can fulfil the desires of your flesh.
Hear me all living atheists: If sodom & gomorrah was punished, you wont escape! Your acts of sodomy that your mentors laid as landmarks for you all in drunkenness, cigar smoking, financial waste and gluttony shall be judged by the true God!
Pls keep up the level of blasphemies I see, you will surely be dumb before him..All will be judged!
Come Lord Jesus! Amen!!

benzics:
Do you know what "evidence" is called? Ancient cavemen left signs of their civilization.. Dinosaurs left blueprints.. All those are "evidence".

You don't need to believe a fact, believe it or not, it's still valid as a fact!

Shit!
I see all the atheists have been running around naked jumping from pillar to posts trying to explain their folly, shame, depression, depravity!
See judgment is coming!
Your mentors in madness are so burning in hell now, I see the devil wont allow most of you escape this damnation!
They all went a whoring after the flesh satisfying every single craving in drunkenness, cigar smoking, gluttony, talkativeness, financial waste!
This is why most of you went into atheism, you needed to convince yourself there was no God, therefore no punishment but ure LIARS, there is God and he would punish your folly, fleshly excesses, blasphemies!
Repent and seek God lest you have you seat amongst the chiefest in hell!

[quote author=enshy post=54077733]Church is a place of Worship...Remember to be there through the mid week services and next sunday.. Jesus will be waiting to bless.
Prepare your heart by praying and meditation.
You will see the power of God![quote]Tomorrow is Sunday - Its the Lord's day.
Make ure not at home sitting idle...
David said 'i am happy when they say I should go to Gods house'...Get some Joy ready to worship!
Remember to prepare your hearts in meekness and quietness to get the best from God!
May God hear you prayers!

adepeter26:
I actually don't know why we give that guy attention.... Make wé avoid his thread like plague. No sense or meaning

Please do! Like plague yes!!
All your reasonings and logic are fraud and sham.
Atheism ko Atheism ni...All religions are imaginary cos there are no proofs, so whats the proof of atheism? Nothing, just this cant be, that cant be; then what is? They have nothing to say than ask questions.
You cease to be a man the day you comment on my threads! Make sure you stick to your words!
But Ill comment on yours!

timiawe123:
Mr poster,
You're clearly undereducated.
Before you come here to ask foolish questions.
Do some f*cking research

Boy, no one forced you to read nor comment!
You cant be better educated than I am thats if you are at all educated.
Those couldnt have been as foolish as saying 'there is no God'...Only a Fool says there is no God!
I say - I believe there is God
Insane mind - I dont believe there is God
I say - Why?
Insane mind - There is no proof
I say - What are the proofs there is no God?
Insane mind - I dont know but the thought of God is imaginary
I say - How did life and this world begin?
Insane mind - We dont know yet but there is no God
I say - What happens after death?
Insane mind - I dont know but heaven is not real.
Atheism tells us what is not but never tells us what is!

adepeter26:
I dae tell you. My encounter with him on a thread shows he's below minimum standard of explaining things to

The one who explains things perfectly well, welldone!
I have told you my conclusion: Atheism - is the way out for rebellious, carnal and perverted souls whose soul aim is to convince themselves that there is no God nor punishment so they can rot in carnality as seen in Mark Twain, Hutchens and others.
Your view of God doesnt change who He is!
At judgment, you surely will have no place to hide, you will be dumb before Him...
I have said a man in his drunken state doesnt know until drunkeness leaves him. He says rubbish, insults and fights all around him so it is with atheists.
Get off this possession and settle with your creator! It wont be long anymore! He will surely come!

adepeter26:
Enshy's threads are trash. I wonder why atheists pay attention to him. People like him I come and gone.

Felixomo.r and Ebuka know better. Bye jare

Yes they are thrash to those who wouldnt see the Truth.
I have seen in all atheist one common denominator/truth..They were mostly one time xtians.
They left xtianity because they failed God!
You all couldnt stand the guilt in your consciences and rather deadened them.
Your failings, depravity and carnality were your bane on the xtian race! You needed the easy way out - atheism!
The fathers of atheism were reckless souls, depraved hearts, consumed of carnality in financial waste, drunkeness and cigar addiction! They are so burning in Hell now! Reality must have dawned on them! Believe or not judgement is coming..
A life without Christ is a life of waste! The pains of eternity will drown you! Repent while you may!!
I cant be intimidated by any of you! I am up there!
No glory in atheism, all I have seen is shame, fraud, deception, inconsistence..A low life ruined by feeding the flesh.
People who through much supposed reasoning and logic have made mockery have their intelligence...
May God have mercy on you!

timiawe123:
Why should I kill, steal or deceive people?
What do I gain from murdering or stealing?

When a religious person like you comes here to prove moral superiority, I will immediately open your bible to dismantle any argument you come to spew here.

Your god says: thou shalt not kill
The same god:
Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass. ( 1 Samuel 15:3)

Your god that commands his "people" to kill women and toddlers and infants is supposedly the same one coming to give commandments.

Clearly, anything your god says is technically correct whether it is morally right or wrong.

You expect us to draw morality from a god whose word endorses slavery and tells slaves to be obedient to their masters and even tells slave owners how to treat slaves.

As humans we came to know that slavery was wrong not because of your god or any religious books.
We know slavery is wrong because our morality has evolved to that point.

Your religious book tells people to kill gays, non virgin, disobedient kids and people who work on sabbath but you don't do that because it is barbaric.

Mr,
Your life just confirmed what I have been thinking.
You said in your past posts that you had been a xtian and were saved.
Now you ask about moral superiority, if you were indeed born again, you will know that.
You were never born again, your failings in the flesh made it impossible to please God and you needed the easy way out - atheism!
Thats the story of all of you! You couldnt control your desires, appetites and lust! You needed to convince urself there wouldnt be punishment, but surely there would be.
Every atheist left xtianity because they failed God! Now, you enjoy your life at will. Mark Twain died a cigar addict puffing 20cigars daily, Hutchens died obese and a drunk! What lesson is there for a sane heart?
You read the bible upside down to the detriment of your soul and spue rubbish!
Shame! You have nothing to say than rubbish!!
No doubt anymore in my heart that an atheist is a low life whose depravity is his glory!
Fathers of atheism lived reckless lives of drunkeness, financial waste, tobacco addiction, gluttony-obesity.
Carnal souls devoid of help! 'having eyes full of adultery and cannot cease from sin, beguiling, unstables souls and heart exercised with covetousness, cursed children' - II Pet 2:14.
Repent and flee from the wrath to come! Judgement is imminent and it will surely come.

onyenze123:
You are really going insane. Go meet ya pastor for divine healing and deliverance .[b][/b]

The Vice President, Atheist Group nairaland just took off!
His mentors forgot to teach him!!

Richirich713:
They based completely on the individual(s). BTW I'm not an atheist.

Individuals! He does what he likes, every mad man would seem to love that! Check up, there are more atheists in the prisons! Its for the low lives!

hopefulLandlord:
seems you love ranting with no substance

I've given you what Hitchens mean by "Unbeliever" and "believer"

now answer the question, why are you dodging? don't you know better than the Archbishops, Cardinals, Pastors, G.Os, Deacons/Deaconesses, Apologists like WLC, Allister McGrath, Peter Hitchens etc?

answer the question they've failed to get an answer to for close to a decade

I am up!
You cant drag me down, I can only drag you up!
You ask me a question, when you dont understand the meaning of the main points.
Have all your mentors answered creation concept till date? How many years now?
You dont know who a believer and unbeliever is and want me to answer..You are a layman!

davien:
Who knows for sure?
The only way we find out accurate things though is science,so I'll wait till they do, it's more worthwhile than religious concepts which are so fantasy based they crumble even from elementary scrutiny.
After death organic matter decays, or is fossilized and/or embalmed, if you're hinging toward believing in fantasy afterlifes, go right on ahead, it soothes us humans that life isn't vanity that we'll get rewarded after living.

I wonder where pre-colonialized Africans thought they'll go to after death, ancestors probably..


To the best of my understanding of what you're trying to say,laws of nature or naturalistic laws are mostly cause and effect.
The laws that we've observed in nature are but occurrences that hold true under specific circumstances, outside those circumstances they may not hold true or may even be broken or bent.

An example is though light speed is unattainable with any body with mass, space can be warped to the extent of carrying masses to and fro above such speeds...though the only capable forces of that magnitude are black holes.




You've been told countless times atheism is a rejection of theism,of belief itself...hence atheism teaches no morals, though it often encourages critical thinking.

Atheism has no history or better still atheism has been existing in accordance with every religious belief.
You yourself are atheist to all religions aside yours, I'm just atheist to all of them.

This is trolling for sure as everything you list is a "concept", probably looking to drag this topic into 20 pages with useless dribble.

Man interacts with nature same way every living thing does, stimuli..

A force is an effect, you are effected by forces, and those effects are measurable..

Stupid question..as Stupid as asking for the founding fathers of theism..

Freedom of speech to mention one, most theistic religions when they become state religions eliminate free speech cause of blasphemy laws,taboos,etc

YOU AREN'T AN AUTHORITY ON WHAT I'LL ANSWER, LIKE I SAID, YOU ARE A TROLL, THE LATEST IN A LONG LINE OF IDIOTS THAT MADE ME TIRED OF THE RELIGIOUS SECTION

Do you see the show of shame in being an atheist?
Your brother said atheism has existed for 4000 years, so for 4000 years none of you with all the logic and reasoning could unravel creation concept, you are all failures and you the biggest failure as you concluded that you are waiting for science to make the discovery. Didnt you go to school? Cant you make the discovery? You come here as an idle hand/mind claiming there is no God yet you dont understand creation and cant go on discovery. You are here waiting for science.
If I were your VC, Ild withdraw your certificate!
Listen to your supposed learned self.
Atheism has no history, no founding fathers yet it dates back to the early age! What show of ignorance of supposed intelligent minds!
If no history, how do you know it began of old? Where is the logic and reasoning in this?
Atheism = Drunken state of folly! Folly at its peak!
Man interracts with nature by stimuli..
What causes stimuli? Big bang theory?
Give details!

frank317:
You have been told over and over again that atheism is not a belief system but u insist that it is a believe system and you are asking us what atheism teaches like there was a time we sat down together and agreed that atheism is a belief system.
Atheists just don't accept God exists... There is not teaching anything here. If anyone is of the opinion that God does not exist, he is automatically an atheist, weather he is a fighter, killer, philanthropist or a perfect gentleman.

For me, my morality operates on the principle that if anyone does something bad to me I will be hurt, therefore if I don't same to another the person will be hurt... Therefore I try not to hurt others because I know they will be hurt... It's really not fun to hurt others.
Again there is the law...I try to caution myself not to break the law in order not to get into trouble. So I watch my excesses and avoid problem.

I don't need any God to tell me that hurting others is bad or to tell me to love my neighbours... I already know because loving my neighbours brings a peaceful atmosphere and a peaceful atmosphere makes me happy.

Good, you did well.
Therefore you are a group of people who dont believe in existence of a God! Correct? If yes? Now 2 things:
1. If a group of people with just one common understanding, you should have guiding principles as seen in all formed groups around the world.
2. The name atheism shouldnt be applicable then cos atheism- depicts process, a way of being an atheist, what you should see in an atheist..The group is better called Atheist Group!
Now going by your explanation, dont you think your group will boast of the highest number of drunks, smokers, drug addicts, womanizers, rapists, murderers because logic/reasoning tells me that current flows in the path of least resistance.
It can be concluded then that atheists are naturally people who are driven by desires, lust, vain appetites, that found the concept of divine punishment detrimental to their way of life and therefore chose the easy way out - there is no God, for if there is one, there would be punishment!

hopefulLandlord:
Believer = someone who believes in a god

Unbeliever = someone who doesn't

now to the challenge

1. You are to name a moral action undertaken or a moral or ethical statement made by a believer that could not have been made by an unbeliever

2. Think of something wicked that only a believer would be likely to do or something wicked that only a believer would be likely to say.

You see your mentor is a novice!
To us: Believer - someone who believes in Christ, has repented of his sins and lives a new life devoid of sin.
Unbeliever - someone who regardless of his belief that God exists but has not accepted Jesus nor repented of his lives and lives a careless devoid of eternity in view.
You see now that both your believer/unbeliever passes as my unbeliever...Both your mentor and you cant grasp the concept of my believer..Its beyond you!
So what next? I question in which the asker doesnt have a basic umderstanding cant be answered except if you want a whole lecture on the subject topic!

hopefulLandlord:
the question is freaking straightforward
answer it or I'm just wasting time here

You are the one wasting my time bro. Define main terms in your question..Thats simple! If you dont know, ask Christopher to help. Ild still be kind to hang around.

benzics:
LOL, there's something called "history"..

Hinduism is the oldest religion known to man, isn't it a fact that your religion is just 3000years old?
There might be a possibility that there were older religions that died off, but according to documentations hinduism is the oldest known.. And when hinduism started, there were people who didn't follow it, those who subscribed to no faith, these were atheists.

And why are we even having this conversation when your religion claims the earth isn't more than 10,000years old, where in fact, human remains upto 200,000 years old was recently found in Ethiopia.

The thing is this, what was before religion?

What documentations, give it a name?
What is the authenticity of the documentations that you give it much credence?
Hope you didnt just believe it?

hopefulLandlord:
does atheism teach morals? No!

now answer the Hitchens challenge and stop moving like a dry leaf on water

1. You are to name a moral action undertaken or a moral or ethical statement made by a believer that could not have been made by an unbeliever

2. Think of something wicked that only a believer would be likely to do or something wicked that only a believer would be likely to say.

You cant ask your own questions, you borrowed from your mentor!
Anyway, define the terms believer and unbeliever
Note : Question 2 has no relevance to me cos a believer has no wickedness in him and wouldnt do wic kedness

PetrePan:
This will be very interesting..i'm here to read comment but commented first..is that not ftc? Abi

You think they are bold to come here?
They fear to be stripped naked!

hopefulLandlord:
what exactly is your question?

it seems the point of Christopher Hitchens challenge flew over your head

there's nothing Hitchens did that a religious person hasn't done, probably far worse


so what exactly is your question again?

now answer mine

Yes cos by reason/logic on which atheism is premised, he cant ask me moral related questions..He was a failure in that regard!
So my question: does atheism teach morals? If yes, on what principles?