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KingAlabi:
Na to wager say Atlanta to win?

Make I no loose both sides.

draw nko?

patrickmuf:
Ghostominay...Una sabi give people name for here...Na so I shout Ghostominay on Saturday come dey laugh alone...

Eph12, you won't come and defend McTom?

lol I think the last thing I said to you yesterday, which you didn't read as usual, is that they're supposed to play a certain way but actually play another way, which is stupid. If this is defending to you, no vex.

elampiro:
Ole, ole, ole is all you know .

patrick also knows fred fred fred

patrickmuf:
So Fred plays as DM and McTominay as B2B? And you have been watching our matches...

What they are supposed to play is one thing, what they play is another thing. There is nothing to learn when watching our matches except the incompetence of the coaching staff

patrickmuf:
Tom is box to box? Who is the DM then? Fred? Lol...

If yes, why does Ole prefer McFred rather than Fred x Pogba? Isn't it the same thing? Fred as DM and Pogba as Box-2-box DM? Baba no be every you go argue McTominay is the RDM and Fred is the LDM

RDM ko roberto di matteo ni

B2B means you're useful in both boxes. Pogba is not useful in our half except during set pieces. We need Tom more because as I explained before which you refused to read, exactly what you accused me of, our lack of defensive activities from our attackers makes a player like Tom very important in that role instead of Pogba

patrickmuf:
Maybe you need to read your replies again because I am hardly understanding you...

You never engage to learn but to irritate the person the other side, improve on your online engagement...

Tom is played as a B2B but you don't want to hear that. All you want to hear is Fred Fred Fred. And I'm the one that is trying to "irritate the person on the other side" lol

patrickmuf:
AMF, happy now?

lol you don't want to rope me again?

patrickmuf:
You need to read what I wrote again, I hammered on Fred to rope you in...

If Fred and McTominay are paired the do the job that one player should normally do, why then are you arguing that they are not played as DMs? Or are you now saying Fred is played as a CM (A position you claim is his best at?)...

What is Tom played as?

patrickmuf:
You said Fred is not a DM and everyone acknowledges that fact so, to cover for his limitations, Ole pairs him with another player many consider has limitations just to do the work one player should normally do...The job? Protecting the back 4...What does that make them? Sitting DMs but if you think otherwise that means you're admitting Fred is played as a CM and if yes, why is he still struggling?

Ole pairs him with another player that is very mobile as it makes sense to have very mobile players in the midfield since the attackers that should be the first defensive line are easily bypassed. If our attackers are closing down spaces, we wouldn't need McFred in the midfield.

What is Fred struggling at? Why are you not mentioning Tom? I almost want to believe Ole is playing Fred and Fred as the 2 sitting DM

patrickmuf:
Baba, that you have two sitting DMs, it doesn't mean they won't venture forward at any point so don't get it twisted...

what defines them as DM?

Illimitable:
They are both DMs because they are both limited offensively. It’s not really where they are positioned but what exactly they are offering.

Ole uses McFred to shield his back four. If a manager spends £180m in the defence, you wouldn’t expect them to be that heavily protected. However, Ole knows Maguire is hopeless so he protects him with his life.

But they're even limited defensively especially Fred. Using your argument, they can't be DM then

patrickmuf:
When we played Aston Villa, we played McFred as two DMs...You have said it severally that Fred is not a DM in a bid to defend him when he is under the microscope...In those times you claim he is played as a DM partnering McTom, are you saying he was the only DM?

We have those two players who take turns to get forward. They don't both stay on the same line during play. We have one DM and one B2B. This doesn't count when the team is pinned back and almost everyone is back in our half like against Aston villa, where Bruno was playing long balls to Ronaldo.

See the way other teams attackers are pursuing the ball to close down spaces. Listening to Ole and his boys, you'll think it's rocket science

melodyogonna:
They know the problem, like everyone else but not the solution. When Pogba mentioned yesterday that they couldn't just find how to fix the problem I lost it. Make dem sack that werey in charge abeg, he has run out of ideas

LMAO you don vex pass nani o. Na small thing dey make you vex?

patrickmuf:
Actually we have severally...McFred are paired as sitting DMs against top teams...This is not up for a debate.

Against top teams everyone is a defender/dm/defensive attacker. It certainly isn't up for debate.

melodyogonna:
I don't understand this. Ronaldo no even dey for the manager's plans coming into the season, na PR buy if you ask me. the obvious plan before the whole Ronaldo brouhaha was a front three of Sancho, Greenwood(or Cavani), and Rashford. We have no way of testing whether it'll actually be effective if we don't rest Ronaldo sometime.

Bold of you to assume there was a plan coming into the season

MRTA7:
He has started his agenda. Where did anyone blame Fred for yesterday? Fred rightly got abuse for his performance against Everton but he is not the reason for the defeat. No individual player is. The manager is where it starts right now.

Ole has done well to change things when he arrived but he has reached his ceiling. The longer he stays in the job the more we're writing off this season. This could be a really embarrassing week for the club.

I think what elampiro saw was some sarcasm lol

maik99:
for the whole team na only the much-maligned bruno and fred dey do any kind of pressing; Rashford whenever he feels like
the rest play like their opponents can do nothing with the ball and only start to show urgency when ball don enter box

I noticed this. It's like as if they feel like the opponents can't do anything with the ball when they have it

patrickmuf:
Which top team uses 2 sitting DMs?

We are badly coached if not, with Pogba and Bruno/VDB alongside any of Fred, McTom or Matic, we can easily control the tempo of a game...

Soumare, Tielemans and Maddison are not in any way better than Matic, Pogba and Bruno, there's nothing anyone will tell me otherwise...

Rodgers is just a better coach...

Once again, we've never played 2 sitting dm in a match

patrickmuf:
Ole has spoken about it often but come match day, you don't see any of what he talks about...I have settled for the fact that he just can't implement what he talks about...

Exactly
I wanted to believe in him because some of his comments shows he understands some of the problems but nothing has changed in the last one year.

patrickmuf:
I have been talking about our slow build play and lack of press for ages now...You watch Man City, Liverpool, Bayern and all the other top teams and you see urgency in their play but when you watch Manchester United, you begin to wonder why we play with no urgency...

Yesterday, Liverpool went away and made Watford players look like amateurs. The same Watford will face us in the coming weeks and will most like scare the shit out of us...

It's really annoying when I watch us play. And the funny thing is that the players and coaching staff know this about our game.

patrickmuf:
If it was down to you to appoint the next manager, who would it be?

Some of the options in Erik ten Hag, Conte, Zidane etc...

I will go with Erik ten Hag because I love the way his Ajax team plays even though I have doubts about his ability to manage the egos in our dressing room (Zidane comes tops if this factor is considered)...

Anyone that will make these players play ghen ghen football abeg. I'm tired of this slow football

melodyogonna:
I no understand why we have to be starting Ronaldo every match sha, he is 36, can't he be rested, I mean, he should be rested most of the time.

What do you hope to get if he doesn't start?

[quote author=BikeMan post=106801264][/quote]It was a great game. Ole will be gone soon

Illimitable:
He’s clueless.

Just look at the energy and intensity Chelsea are playing with. Same with City or Liverpool. The passing is quick, the pressing is intense.

You watch Ole’s team and it looks like a match practice. It takes about 20 seconds to move the ball from the right channel to the left. You never see Ole come to the touch line to hurry the players up to play the ball quickly.

This is not on the players, it’s the manager. Quick passing hurts the opponents. Ole’s team is too slow to do any damage to the opponents until there’s an opportunity to counter attack. When the opponents have their shape, Ole’s team is too slow to break them down.

That guy does not know what to do here or how to correct this mess. He should be let go at this point because his words and actions are opposite for the last couple of months. He has no solution to any of the problems we currently have

Sulphuric1:
…..and I am saying that it’s still going to be the same. A major reason why you wanna have Pogba and Matic is for pure attacking and dominating football. But we don’t know what style to expect every match day, which is making the players useless and redundant.

If we had done McFred today, we would would lost the game conceding less, say 2-3 goals. But, scoring goals is not guaranteed with both, especially since McTom likes to hide from the ball.

That's funny because our highest scoring games have involved those two if I'm not mistaken. And we've had a number of those games.

But what do I know

You watch other teams and see the energy, the zeal to win the ball, put pressure and play forward with purpose. But you watch Ole team and you see the opposite. Any form of team play with or without the ball is dead except for one or two occasions in the match. Keep on blaming this player or that player

BARAJ92:
DM is not the problem, we don't have players that can control play.

Shh don't let people hear

Maybe when we buy a DM sha the team will do well. For now, McFred is holding the team back

Sulphuric1:
Fred is very useless! He was watching Iheanacho throughout the game…..


…from his house.

He stops the team from playing football. We're much better of playing Matic or Sule

Oasis007:


Fred killed the Midfield though.

Fred should apologize for at least 3 of the goals conceded today

A team slow to react to anything. Well I see what Ole is doing, he is assembling a world class team. Very solid