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Leyqute:
I agree with the first point and partly with the second. And it has to do with the first point and the inefficiency of the people at the top. We really fuccked up the last TW

We're getting somewhere without too much English. Good.

Now aside City, which club has done quite well in the last 10 years or so?

Leyqute:
If Pep worked on his defensive side and fields Otamendi and Stones won’t he chop goals?

We wouldn't know.

But what we know is that we abused Ed for missing out on Otamendi and abused Stones for being an average player with English hype.

Leyqute:
It’s as if you read to respond and not understand the point being made.

I should reply you with a k. But as a man of God, I won’t. It’s not about spending money anyhow. You have to spend the right amount at the right time and then you need to have a good scouting system.

1. City had been investing right before SAF left. United didn’t strengthen their squad then. By the time United realized they should, they already had other problems.

2. City appointed managers with similar football philosophy. Not a carbon copy of each other, but they’re similar. After LvG left, a similar minded well-respected hungry-for-success coach like Klopp should’ve been hired, not a dinosaur like Mourinho.

3. This is the most important. City were spending money on talents but not overspending on them. They broke records, yes, but by how much? They were smart about that bit. United on the other hand just kept throwing money at problems hoping they’ll magically disappear.

4. City spend when they need to spend. Good attack, not good enough defense? Take Diaz and Garcia. Bad goalkeeper? Take Bravo. E no do you? Take Ederson. Fernandinho getting older? Gundogan not enough? Take Rodri.


How long has United had the midfield problem? Has it been solved? How many players has been bought to solve it? Who are they?

5. Last transfer window should’ve been used to build a more robust squad. How many of the new players played
up to 17 league games?

When Ole’s contract expires hope they won’t go and bring in Nuno Esperanto of Wolves to lead us to the promised land.

I'm not sure you are trying to understand my position at all.
1. Have united wasted money on transfers? Yes, a lot
2. Are we spending on players? Yes

Do we agree on this?

handelex:
Maybe Maguire should get injured and then we'll understand.

Honestly

ouzo1:
Apart from his constant fitness wetin again Maguire dey bring to the team?

Na only the fitness o. Na why the team dey relegation. The guy no dey do anything

Leyqute:
Eph12

City scored the most league goals last season but they conceded more than some other top teams. The logical thing to do was upgrade on defense.

They did that and look at what we have ? It’s not rocket science.

With the way United have been conceding silly goals, is it not obvious that a good CB pairing plus stable DM who will cover the defense is needed? There’s still a RW problem - there has been for years, but it’s not as important as the CB and DM problem because goals are not very hard to find , although one or two additions in that department won’t be a bad thing.

As I said, it’s not rocket science.

I'm sure you also have noticed that Pep has worked on his tactics to improve the defensive side. He's much more cautious today than yesterday. Imagine Pep playing 2 DM against us. He would never have done that before. Sometimes it's much more than just buying players.

As at last season, there was still confusion about a lot of things about this team. There's no confusion about Peps team. Buying players become easier when there's a very obvious direction and style. We're still trying to get that sorted. If we don't, we will buy players we can't use and blame Glazer's for it. Case in study, buying a midfield controller, patient player to play fast attacking football. And you wonder why he's not playing

Leyqute:
It’s both.

If City didn’t buy enough players for Pep, I doubt he’d have brought them this much success.

If Liverpool didn’t sign a capable defender for Klopp they’d never have won the league and UCL.

At some point a team that’s doing well will need a glaring update in certain positions. If that need is not met, success will elude that club.

The ones they released millions of pounds to buy, you're complaining everyday. They're never good enough and a waste of money. How will any new signing be different?

We have spent much more than many clubs that have had much more success than us in the last couple of years. Spending has never been the problem

handelex:

I tire oo, Maguire that use to join attack most times, trying to create something.

Sometimes I do wish these players just do something crazy to justify the hate they get

Leyqute:
If a coach who had a similar style of play as LvG and is hungrier for success was brought it, United won’t be in this mess.

So Glazer's sin is that he didn't bring in the right coach, and not that he didn't spend on players?

ouzo1:
Omo see money wey dis Guys don pullout wey pple still dey mayarn, maybe na till dem give coach blank cheque before some fans go appreciate.

It's amazing how people are able to consume anything on the internet and run with it.

In a bid to cry about the 80m, we want to cancel all the attributes Maguire has. Something that's very glaring. That he's not worth 80m shouldn't take away all the attributes he has and what he brings to the team.

weedtaker:
lies, he was exceptional with the ball at his feet. You are saying after “1 season” like playing with the ball is the same as scoring goals. You can know who’s good with the ball in just a game only, just as you can know who’s slow and who’s fast.

Keep playing yourself. Like smalling can’t move with ball and play pass na abi.

This ball at his feet, na leg over him dey do? Maguire will drive ball from the defense to the attacking third, but he's not good on the ball? What does he have to do again? No be juju be that?

weedtaker:
False, Stones was an exceptional “Ball Playing cb” his defensive game though was average at best and he was rightfully dropped.. and was labeled a flop then..

Man ironed his deficiencies and fought his way up the pecking order, He earned it.

No shortcut like “because he was the most expensive CB, he must play”

Shaw’s story is similar to John stones, Fvcking Brendan Williams was keeping him out of the team, he had to rediscover himself and work his way back to the starting XI.

Maguire on the hand has played the most minutes of any outfield player in the league since making his debut.

If he plays nonsense, he starts.

his hand is broken, he starts.

he just came out from prison, he starts.

Pray tell.. how’s Maguire’s case similar to that of stones and Shaw? He’s very much similar to LVG’s “My captain must play” Wayne Rooney.

With John stones you know he can play with ball at his feet. even then people were still not convinced with his defensive side of the game and it showed on his first season with Man city.

Shaw was a speed star and even earned himself a place in the PL team of the season playing for Southampton.

Maguire isn’t known to be a genius ball playing Cb that was just a narrative the press and propaganda created and millions swallowed it,

he only knew how to move with the ball and was dominant in air, that’s what he was good at, and we are seeing it here in Man United.

defensively he’s average, people always say he’s good defensively but that’s just to make themselves feel good about the 80millions.

He’s average and the fee we paid for him is comedy level.

He’s 26-27.. what you are seeing now is his prime.

Stones was exceptional what? After one season? If he wasn't English, we won't even be hearing his name like that. Please there was nothing exceptional about Stones.

At bold, those two statements contradict themselves. How are you comfortable with the ball and can move with it and play passes without being a very good ball playing CB? What's there to do again?

weedtaker:
Ruben Dias giving me Nemanja Vidić vibes.


Stones turnaround is unreal similar to Luke Shaw’s.

The same way you can't see Maguire qualities was how Stones was being abused back then. Luke Shaw faced similar thing. Keep at it, you will sing something else tomorrow

weedtaker:
look at Thiago Silva at Chelsea, despite his age. You just know straight up that he is quality. No talk of needing a fast CB partner or wingbacks overlapping.

He came in and took command, no time for shalaye

Took command of what? Were they not shipping goals until a new manager was brought in to improve the defense, playing a 3 man defense with 2 DM?

These English commentators are hilarious. They never fail to mention Stones when talking about City's defense. It's almost like they're trying to market him or something

KingAlabi:
Not confident, but I want us to beat them.

OK

Oasis007:
4 goals Difference? Our fringe Players should be able to hold out nau.

Until it happens and we're back to abusing Ole and the players here

KingAlabi:
Have we conceded 4 goals away this season?

I have watched football too long to know nothing is impossible

KingAlabi:
Making sure Liverpool end up in the Europa league.

And you're so confident that we're going to beat them?

KingAlabi:
Against Liverpool?

And when he has a 4 goals lead against Roma?

Of what importance is this match?

Oasis007:
Maybe Ole sees the second Leg as a Walkover, and an opportunity to play fringe players.

We should be very careful there sha. It's not over as far as I'm concerned

Oasis007:
Lineup

I expected Ole to rest some of these players for the return leg against Roma

Mrviktor:
He can work on his long range passing.
That's the only area he lacks.

He's too safe like cleverly..

He needs to make himself available more to receive the ball from deep too

SyIvalord:
Afrodoc2, we have always complained that Fred and Mctominay are poor at progressive passing and we want them to be replaced by Ndidi or Bissouma. But the graph below shows that we may be mistaken? What do you think about this?

Fred and McTominay may not be good enough, but the graph shows that Bissouma or Ndidi may not be the answer.

Agenda

KingAlabi:
I didn't say he does it often na.

I rest my case jare.

I'm saying you should check again na. More than few went to the stands. Meanwhile the other players don't have any ball going to the stand

KingAlabi:
Fews that went to the stands, some to the opponent and one assist in an FA QF.

Lmao what's this? Only few went to the stands? Should be more than that

KingAlabi:
I didn't say he isn't good at passing, but when he misses a pass, it hardly ever ends well, don't get defensive jare.

How many of those misses that hardly ever end well can you remember that off the top of your head?

Leyqute:
I don’t. I blame him for his gaffes, it’s just that they are fatal and glaring. No professional footballer should be making those types of mistakes that often.

His teammates don’t trust him with the ball in certain circumstances. They hesitate before they pass to him, cept for Cavani and Greenwood.

Tell me how that isn’t a baggage on the team.

He makes those type of mistakes often? Lol nothing do you

His teammates doesn't trust him with the ball, yet he has one of the highest touches every match day. Is he stealing the ball off their legs or what?

KingAlabi:
The issue is that **1 out of every 27 passes Fred misses, that pass can be very frustrating, it either he gives an assist or passes to someone in the stands.

All in all, Fred na important part of our team jare.

Yet his pass accuracy is one of the best in the team? Another Fred dey the team?

Leyqute:
Took the words right out of my mouth.

Eph12

I wasn't trying to convince you. You already blame him for everything

chidexxy007:
Big Myth.

How did the attack/team score over 105 goals already this season?

For now they're the easy target whenever the team is not playing well. Bruno gives a wrong hurried pass, it's McFred that's limiting the attack. Rashford or Greenwood runs into traffic, McFred is limiting the attack. Pogba is dispossessed, McFred is limiting the attack.

People complain that Fred can't pass, or passes backward or sideways every time. I would say they don't watch our game but come to NL to read comments and make their own conclusion. Fred that's always wanting to move the ball forward. The only issue I have with Fred is that he allows himself to be beaten too easily. But if it's pass, he does well for the team by moving the ball forward every time, unless there's no option there